Wales up to 44th in World Rankings

What?

Giggs doesnt play for Wales. So his experience against Top flight European opposition has no baring on the side. My point was that more Scotland players have top level Champions league experience due to their league system which benefits their pool of selection. This is a fact and probably the reason we are pretty much constantly ranked below them since as far back as I can remember.

All for debate but your just being silly now.

The whole debate was started about this years group,I do agree Scotland's pool of players is bigger than wales,but the whole champions league thing Is rubbish,the players you named have play a qualifying game each season then get knocked out,not a great deal of experience there,only celtics players get some sort of run,I may be wrong this season two Scottish players have had a game in the champions league compared to four from wales,so on day to day terms wales must have the strongest team,basically the debate can be changed to suit,I think Coleman is clueless,you think he's done a good job,who could we get to replace him?,options are very limited,but stating facts I believe wales should have finished higher that Scotland and the one reason we never,was because of Coleman

what?

Most of the players i named have all played a good few top level champions league games. Some have played at the Nou Camp, not just some qualifiers didnt Celtic get to the last 32 not so long ago with a fair few Scottish internationals playing.

Scotland are ranked 35 in the world, its nonsense to say we SHOULD finish above them. They have a far stronger pool of players than us. We have a decent starting 11 (no striker mind you) and after that its a bit pathetic.

I dont know how old you are but to expect Wales to finish above teams ranked higher than us when we havent reached a major tournament in 65 years while Scotlamd have played in euros and world cups is beyond me. Whats even more amazing is you then blame Coleman as if hes suddenly ruined our chances

I think people need to get their expectations in check some what.

What?

Giggs doesnt play for Wales. So his experience against Top flight European opposition has no baring on the side. My point was that more Scotland players have top level Champions league experience due to their league system which benefits their pool of selection. This is a fact and probably the reason we are pretty much constantly ranked below them since as far back as I can remember.

All for debate but your just being silly now.

The whole debate was started about this years group,I do agree Scotland's pool of players is bigger than wales,but the whole champions league thing Is rubbish,the players you named have play a qualifying game each season then get knocked out,not a great deal of experience there,only celtics players get some sort of run,I may be wrong this season two Scottish players have had a game in the champions league compared to four from wales,so on day to day terms wales must have the strongest team,basically the debate can be changed to suit,I think Coleman is clueless,you think he's done a good job,who could we get to replace him?,options are very limited,but stating facts I believe wales should have finished higher that Scotland and the one reason we never,was because of Coleman

what?

Most of the players i named have all played a good few top level champions league games. Some have played at the Nou Camp, not just some qualifiers didnt Celtic get to the last 32 not so long ago with a fair few Scottish internationals playing.

Scotland are ranked 35 in the world, its nonsense to say we SHOULD finish above them. They have a far stronger pool of players than us. We have a decent starting 11 (no striker mind you) and after that its a bit pathetic.

I dont know how old you are but to expect Wales to finish above teams ranked higher than us when we havent reached a major tournament in 65 years while Scotlamd have played in euros and world cups is beyond me. Whats even more amazing is you then blame Coleman as if hes suddenly ruined our chances

I think people need to get their expectations in check some what.

You keep on about previous years,I'm on about here and now current teams yes,the Scottish players who's club sides are Celtic and rangers have always qualified for the champions league(well play offs ),but apart from the odd year have mostly been knocked out straight away,if your looking at rankings wales have been above Scotland for a while,only recently have Scotland gone above,considering your struggling at what I'm saying,I ll put it another way,Scotland have struggled last few seasons but a change of manager,they improved and so did their rankings,so same for wales don't u think?

What?

Giggs doesnt play for Wales. So his experience against Top flight European opposition has no baring on the side. My point was that more Scotland players have top level Champions league experience due to their league system which benefits their pool of selection. This is a fact and probably the reason we are pretty much constantly ranked below them since as far back as I can remember.

All for debate but your just being silly now.

The whole debate was started about this years group,I do agree Scotland's pool of players is bigger than wales,but the whole champions league thing Is rubbish,the players you named have play a qualifying game each season then get knocked out,not a great deal of experience there,only celtics players get some sort of run,I may be wrong this season two Scottish players have had a game in the champions league compared to four from wales,so on day to day terms wales must have the strongest team,basically the debate can be changed to suit,I think Coleman is clueless,you think he's done a good job,who could we get to replace him?,options are very limited,but stating facts I believe wales should have finished higher that Scotland and the one reason we never,was because of Coleman

what?

Most of the players i named have all played a good few top level champions league games. Some have played at the Nou Camp, not just some qualifiers didnt Celtic get to the last 32 not so long ago with a fair few Scottish internationals playing.

Scotland are ranked 35 in the world, its nonsense to say we SHOULD finish above them. They have a far stronger pool of players than us. We have a decent starting 11 (no striker mind you) and after that its a bit pathetic.

I dont know how old you are but to expect Wales to finish above teams ranked higher than us when we havent reached a major tournament in 65 years while Scotlamd have played in euros and world cups is beyond me. Whats even more amazing is you then blame Coleman as if hes suddenly ruined our chances

I think people need to get their expectations in check some what.

You keep on about previous years,I'm on about here and now current teams yes,the Scottish players who's club sides are Celtic and rangers have always qualified for the champions league(well play offs ),but apart from the odd year have mostly been knocked out straight away,if your looking at rankings wales have been above Scotland for a while,only recently have Scotland gone above,considering your struggling at what I'm saying,I ll put it another way,Scotland have struggled last few seasons but a change of manager,they improved and so did their rankings,so same for wales don't u think?

It makes no difference in the terms we are discussing. The Scotland team has more top European experience than we do, this is down to the fact they have their own professional league system with a couple of big sides there. The fact we have a handful who have had recent but limited champions league experience doesnt really alter that fact.

Wales have been struggling for 65 years. That isn't Coleman's fault. If a simple change of manager was enough to turn around a team then San Marino would be awesome, just change the manager. Scotland have a decent pool of players which allows them to improve. They dont have any world class players but they have a lot more depth than us and every player is of solid standard, this is why they are constantly above is.

Ill say it again. Wales are a tiny nation, we also don't really have our own league system, its pretty much an amateur league. We also havent until recently had any top level academies in the whole of the country due to the fact both Swansea and Cardiff were lower league clubs.

We sack Coleman and it wont magically then sprout 10 new class players to choose from, we will still have the same paper thin selection problems. Thats to do with the countries resources, not Coleman. If it wasnt then we would have been qualifying before coleman came in would we not?

What?

Giggs doesnt play for Wales. So his experience against Top flight European opposition has no baring on the side. My point was that more Scotland players have top level Champions league experience due to their league system which benefits their pool of selection. This is a fact and probably the reason we are pretty much constantly ranked below them since as far back as I can remember.

All for debate but your just being silly now.

The whole debate was started about this years group,I do agree Scotland's pool of players is bigger than wales,but the whole champions league thing Is rubbish,the players you named have play a qualifying game each season then get knocked out,not a great deal of experience there,only celtics players get some sort of run,I may be wrong this season two Scottish players have had a game in the champions league compared to four from wales,so on day to day terms wales must have the strongest team,basically the debate can be changed to suit,I think Coleman is clueless,you think he's done a good job,who could we get to replace him?,options are very limited,but stating facts I believe wales should have finished higher that Scotland and the one reason we never,was because of Coleman

what?

Most of the players i named have all played a good few top level champions league games. Some have played at the Nou Camp, not just some qualifiers didnt Celtic get to the last 32 not so long ago with a fair few Scottish internationals playing.

Scotland are ranked 35 in the world, its nonsense to say we SHOULD finish above them. They have a far stronger pool of players than us. We have a decent starting 11 (no striker mind you) and after that its a bit pathetic.

I dont know how old you are but to expect Wales to finish above teams ranked higher than us when we havent reached a major tournament in 65 years while Scotlamd have played in euros and world cups is beyond me. Whats even more amazing is you then blame Coleman as if hes suddenly ruined our chances

I think people need to get their expectations in check some what.

You keep on about previous years,I'm on about here and now current teams yes,the Scottish players who's club sides are Celtic and rangers have always qualified for the champions league(well play offs ),but apart from the odd year have mostly been knocked out straight away,if your looking at rankings wales have been above Scotland for a while,only recently have Scotland gone above,considering your struggling at what I'm saying,I ll put it another way,Scotland have struggled last few seasons but a change of manager,they improved and so did their rankings,so same for wales don't u think?

It makes no difference in the terms we are discussing. The Scotland team has more top European experience than we do, this is down to the fact they have their own professional league system with a couple of big sides there. The fact we have a handful who have had recent but limited champions league experience doesnt really alter that fact.

Wales have been struggling for 65 years. That isn't Coleman's fault. If a simple change of manager was enough to turn around a team then San Marino would be awesome, just change the manager. Scotland have a decent pool of players which allows them to improve. They dont have any world class players but they have a lot more depth than us and every player is of solid standard, this is why they are constantly above is.

Ill say it again. Wales are a tiny nation, we also don't really have our own league system, its pretty much an amateur league. We also havent until recently had any top level academies in the whole of the country due to the fact both Swansea and Cardiff were lower league clubs.

We sack Coleman and it wont magically then sprout 10 new class players to choose from, we will still have the same paper thin selection problems. Thats to do with the countries resources, not Coleman. If it wasnt then we would have been qualifying before coleman came in would we not?

I can see your view but your can't see mine,ok Scotland got a bigger pool but quantity doesn't egual quality,I believe through the core of both sides,wales are stronger,and I'm not saying Coleman is to blame for previous qualifying failures,but this one considering he was in charge,well yes he was,if u judge a teams performance on the standard of players well there just wouldn't be a point in having a manager would there?,teams have beaten teams simply because of tactics used,even though,the quality if players they had was less than opposition,am I correct?

So every time we don't qualify it is the managers fault? Sorry but you arent making sense. You are attributing blame in a blameless situation.

If Macclesfield Town lost to Man City is it the managers fault? Or would you use your common sense and say they just arent a good enough team?

It isnt a coincidence that we haven't qualified in the previous 20 qualifying campaigns, its not just a string of bad managers. We just arent very good and the reasons for that are highlighted in my last post. Im not entirely sure what you are expecting and why you expect to finish above teams with a better pool of players, higher ranking and history of qualifying.

No wonder nobody wants to touch this job. Its the equivalent of taking over at Hull and expecting them to finish top 4 and blaming the manager when they dont. Its nonsense. We were seeded 5th and finished 4th in the last group after a tricky start we started picking up some points, hes doing just fine.

So every time we don't qualify it is the managers fault? Sorry but you arent making sense. You are attributing blame in a blameless situation.

If Macclesfield Town lost to Man City is it the managers fault? Or would you use your common sense and say they just arent a good enough team?

It isnt a coincidence that we haven't qualified in the previous 20 qualifying campaigns, its not just a string of bad managers. We just arent very good and the reasons for that are highlighted in my last post. Im not entirely sure what you are expecting and why you expect to finish above teams with a better pool of players, higher ranking and history of qualifying.

No wonder nobody wants to touch this job. Its the equivalent of taking over at Hull and expecting them to finish top 4 and blaming the manager when they dont. Its nonsense. We were seeded 5th and finished 4th in the last group after a tricky start we started picking up some points, hes doing just fine.

Didn't Iceland just do well in their qualifying group?,answer me this are Serbia that good?,should we be losing 6-1 to teams like that?,of course not,so when we do don't you think that's down to tactics?

So every time we don't qualify it is the managers fault? Sorry but you arent making sense. You are attributing blame in a blameless situation.

If Macclesfield Town lost to Man City is it the managers fault? Or would you use your common sense and say they just arent a good enough team?

It isnt a coincidence that we haven't qualified in the previous 20 qualifying campaigns, its not just a string of bad managers. We just arent very good and the reasons for that are highlighted in my last post. Im not entirely sure what you are expecting and why you expect to finish above teams with a better pool of players, higher ranking and history of qualifying.

No wonder nobody wants to touch this job. Its the equivalent of taking over at Hull and expecting them to finish top 4 and blaming the manager when they dont. Its nonsense. We were seeded 5th and finished 4th in the last group after a tricky start we started picking up some points, hes doing just fine.

Didn't Iceland just do well in their qualifying group?,answer me this are Serbia that good?,should we be losing 6-1 to teams like that?,of course not,so when we do don't you think that's down to tactics?

Yes Iceland did just do well in their group. So because Iceland did well we have to do well? Greece won the Euros, does that mean we should too? Porto won the Champions League so surely Tottenham should win it soon or its all the managers fault.

No we shouldn't be losing 6-1 to serbia, it was a terrible result. Just like you losing 3-0 home to Reading and that 2-0 performance against West Ham was abysmal. Sack him?

So every time we don't qualify it is the managers fault? Sorry but you arent making sense. You are attributing blame in a blameless situation.

If Macclesfield Town lost to Man City is it the managers fault? Or would you use your common sense and say they just arent a good enough team?

It isnt a coincidence that we haven't qualified in the previous 20 qualifying campaigns, its not just a string of bad managers. We just arent very good and the reasons for that are highlighted in my last post. Im not entirely sure what you are expecting and why you expect to finish above teams with a better pool of players, higher ranking and history of qualifying.

No wonder nobody wants to touch this job. Its the equivalent of taking over at Hull and expecting them to finish top 4 and blaming the manager when they dont. Its nonsense. We were seeded 5th and finished 4th in the last group after a tricky start we started picking up some points, hes doing just fine.

Didn't Iceland just do well in their qualifying group?,answer me this are Serbia that good?,should we be losing 6-1 to teams like that?,of course not,so when we do don't you think that's down to tactics?

My point being that lesser teams can do well with the correct manager in place,considering wales performances under Coleman,we ve never been in any good positions,simply because as I ve said from the start he's clueless,as stated with Iceland a below average side can achieve success with the right management team in place

Yes Iceland did just do well in their group. So because Iceland did well we have to do well? Greece won the Euros, does that mean we should too? Porto won the Champions League so surely Tottenham should win it soon or its all the managers fault.

No we shouldn't be losing 6-1 to serbia, it was a terrible result. Just like you losing 3-0 home to Reading and that 2-0 performance against West Ham was abysmal. Sack him?

So you are saying we have had 65 years of "the wrong manager" then? Or is it just a coleman thing?

So you are saying we have had 65 years of "the wrong manager" then? Or is it just a coleman thing?

Over the passed years we didn't have the same quality in the side,as you said yourself we ve only had the odd class player,this qualifying campaign we ve had the best crop of players we ve had for a long long time,so Coleman has had a lot better players to work with,than previous managers did

So you are saying we have had 65 years of "the wrong manager" then? Or is it just a coleman thing?

Over the passed years we didn't have the same quality in the side,as you said yourself we ve only had the odd class player,this qualifying campaign we ve had the best crop of players we ve had for a long long time,so Coleman has had a lot better players to work with,than previous managers did

Well thats rubbish straight away. We dont even have a striker.

Teams with rush, giggs, southall and hughes were way better than this side. This current crop is pretty weak barring the obvious two. Our depth is pathetic as shown against Belgium.

So you are saying we have had 65 years of "the wrong manager" then? Or is it just a coleman thing?

Over the passed years we didn't have the same quality in the side,as you said yourself we ve only had the odd class player,this qualifying campaign we ve had the best crop of players we ve had for a long long time,so Coleman has had a lot better players to work with,than previous managers did

Well thats rubbish straight away. We dont even have a striker.

Teams with rush, giggs, southall and hughes were way better than this side. This current crop is pretty weak barring the obvious two. Our depth is pathetic as shown against Belgium.

Aye saying that considering there's quite a few jacks in the side,I ll agree with you now

Yeah all 3 of them.

Glad you have finally realised

Yeah all 3 of them.

Glad you have finally realised

Weren't it you lot stating that Ashley Williams was quality,and when at the jacks same was said of joe Allen,best you make your mind up to the quality of theses players

Yeah all 3 of them.

Glad you have finally realised

Weren't it you lot stating that Ashley Williams was quality,and when at the jacks same was said of joe Allen,best you make your mind up to the quality of theses players

Ashley Williams is a quality centre back yes. Joe allen is an average midfielder. Our goalkeeper is rubbish, we dont have a striker of any note, we have no wingers, a championship right back and a mismatched second center half..... And thats just the starting 11

World beaters i tell you

Yeah all 3 of them.

Glad you have finally realised

Weren't it you lot stating that Ashley Williams was quality,and when at the jacks same was said of joe Allen,best you make your mind up to the quality of theses players

Ashley Williams is a quality centre back yes. Joe allen is an average midfielder. Our goalkeeper is rubbish, we dont have a striker of any note, we have no wingers, a championship right back and a mismatched second center half..... And thats just the starting 11

World beaters i tell you

Like I ve previously said how many world beaters do Iceland have?,agree no strikers but didn't Barcelona and Spain both play a system without a recognised striker?,and don't harp about the difference in quality,top players obviously make a Huge difference,but so does having a manager that finds a system that brings success,(Iceland),wales have a manager that doesn't seem to have any system

Yeah all 3 of them.

Glad you have finally realised

Weren't it you lot stating that Ashley Williams was quality,and when at the jacks same was said of joe Allen,best you make your mind up to the quality of theses players

Ashley Williams is a quality centre back yes. Joe allen is an average midfielder. Our goalkeeper is rubbish, we dont have a striker of any note, we have no wingers, a championship right back and a mismatched second center half..... And thats just the starting 11

World beaters i tell you

Like I ve previously said how many world beaters do Iceland have?,agree no strikers but didn't Barcelona and Spain both play a system without a recognised striker?,and don't harp about the difference in quality,top players obviously make a Huge difference,but so does having a manager that finds a system that brings success,(Iceland),wales have a manager that doesn't seem to have any system

My word your argument just gets more insane by the second

So because spain and barca can play with no strikers then Wales should be fine? Someone tell Macclesfield town to do away with their strikers and play midfielders, they will be in the prem in no time at all

Your opinion seems to be because Iceland have qualified then so should Wales, and because we havent - its Colemans fault..... even though we havent done it for 65 years. Its insane. Literally, staggering.

Yeah all 3 of them.

Glad you have finally realised

Weren't it you lot stating that Ashley Williams was quality,and when at the jacks same was said of joe Allen,best you make your mind up to the quality of theses players

Ashley Williams is a quality centre back yes. Joe allen is an average midfielder. Our goalkeeper is rubbish, we dont have a striker of any note, we have no wingers, a championship right back and a mismatched second center half..... And thats just the starting 11

World beaters i tell you

Like I ve previously said how many world beaters do Iceland have?,agree no strikers but didn't Barcelona and Spain both play a system without a recognised striker?,and don't harp about the difference in quality,top players obviously make a Huge difference,but so does having a manager that finds a system that brings success,(Iceland),wales have a manager that doesn't seem to have any system

well I ve kept on answering your questions and your clearly struggling now,you mention that we struggle because team is poor,I ve given u an example of a team that prove it can be done,you ve also said we ve no strikers,again I ve given u answers,another one being Chelsea this year,none of there strikers have scored,so by your views Chelsea should be bottom of table ,clearly they ain't,as for Iceland you say our player pool is poor,we have some quality players,as for ice lands not exactly house hold names are they,so again by your version they should nt have been any good,yet again laughable,poor teams can be improved via systems used,so yes if Iceland and other teams can punch above their weight,why can't wales?,yes you ve Sussed it because Coleman is tactically clueless

My word your argument just gets more insane by the second

So because spain and barca can play with no strikers then Wales should be fine? Someone tell Macclesfield town to do away with their strikers and play midfielders, they will be in the prem in no time at all

Your opinion seems to be because Iceland have qualified then so should Wales, and because we havent - its Colemans fault..... even though we havent done it for 65 years. Its insane. Literally, staggering.

Do you understand what you are even saying?

You are saying because Barcelona and Spain (probably the best club and national side in the world) can rely on their 5 world class midfielders and 5 world class defenders and goalkeeper to dominate matches then Wales should be able to as well just by playing the same formation!

I mean, are you even serious? You say because Iceland are doing well then Wales should too. You realise League 2 Bradford got the the cup final last year too right? Going by that every league 2 club and above should also get to the final or its the managers fault as it CAN be done. What have you been smoking ffs

Literally insane.

Do you understand what you are even saying?

You are saying because Barcelona and Spain (probably the best club and national side in the world) can rely on their 5 world class midfielders and 5 world class defenders and goalkeeper to dominate matches then Wales should be able to as well just by playing the same formation!

I mean, are you even serious? You say because Iceland are doing well then Wales should too. You realise League 2 Bradford got the the cup final last year too right? Going by that every league 2 club and above should also get to the final or ots the managers fault as it CAN be done.

Literally insane.

You don't like being given answers do you ,the name calling is rather childish to ,now listen clearly I explain one last time,I ve given you examples of how things can be done,but your struggling to grasp it,Spain done it yes quality is different,even so it can be done?-yes an I right?,like u said Bradford done remarkable to get to cup final,so have they or have they not got average players?,so here it comes -do you think the system they played worked for them?,well clearly by getting to final it did,so my whole point is a team with average or below average players(as you have said wales have got),can actually qualify(I hope you finally get what I'm saying)because I'm beginning to think you've only a few brain cells

Do you understand what you are even saying?

You are saying because Barcelona and Spain (probably the best club and national side in the world) can rely on their 5 world class midfielders and 5 world class defenders and goalkeeper to dominate matches then Wales should be able to as well just by playing the same formation!

I mean, are you even serious? You say because Iceland are doing well then Wales should too. You realise League 2 Bradford got the the cup final last year too right? Going by that every league 2 club and above should also get to the final or ots the managers fault as it CAN be done.

Literally insane.

You don't like being given answers do you ,the name calling is rather childish to ,now listen clearly I explain one last time,I ve given you examples of how things can be done,but your struggling to grasp it,Spain done it yes quality is different,even so it can be done?-yes an I right?,like u said Bradford done remarkable to get to cup final,so have they or have they not got average players?,so here it comes -do you think the system they played worked for them?,well clearly by getting to final it did,so my whole point is a team with average or below average players(as you have said wales have got),can actually qualify(I hope you finally get what I'm saying)because I'm beginning to think you've only a few brain cells

They arent answers though are they.

Its like saying Kimbo should score 50 a season because Messi does, so it can be done. If he doesnt score 50 then its his fault and hes failed. Man United won the league playing 4-4-1-1 so if Swansea adopt that then they should win the league too. Greece won the Euros so if Wales dont win them too then its all Colemans fault as Greece have no household names. Burnley beat Man United when they were newly promoted so if Cardiff dont its all Malkys fault and hes failed. Etc etc etc

Its utter nonsense.

Yes its possible for Wales to qualify for a major tournament, but where we differ - you think we should qualify ignoring the fact we havent for the last 20 attempts and blame the manager if we dont. I realise we are a tiny nation and not a very good squas and seeded 4th or 5th for a reason and thus dont expect to qualify.

Staggering.

Do you understand what you are even saying?

You are saying because Barcelona and Spain (probably the best club and national side in the world) can rely on their 5 world class midfielders and 5 world class defenders and goalkeeper to dominate matches then Wales should be able to as well just by playing the same formation!

I mean, are you even serious? You say because Iceland are doing well then Wales should too. You realise League 2 Bradford got the the cup final last year too right? Going by that every league 2 club and above should also get to the final or ots the managers fault as it CAN be done.

Literally insane.

You don't like being given answers do you ,the name calling is rather childish to ,now listen clearly I explain one last time,I ve given you examples of how things can be done,but your struggling to grasp it,Spain done it yes quality is different,even so it can be done?-yes an I right?,like u said Bradford done remarkable to get to cup final,so have they or have they not got average players?,so here it comes -do you think the system they played worked for them?,well clearly by getting to final it did,so my whole point is a team with average or below average players(as you have said wales have got),can actually qualify(I hope you finally get what I'm saying)because I'm beginning to think you've only a few brain cells

They arent answers though are they.

Its like saying Kimbo should score 50 a season because Messi does, so it can be done. If he doesnt score 50 then its his fault and hes failed. Man United won the league playing 4-4-1-1 so if Swansea adopt that then they should win the league too. Greece won the Euros so if Wales dont win them too then its all Colemans fault as Greece have no household names. Burnley beat Man United when they were newly promoted so if Cardiff dont its all Malkys fault and hes failed. Etc etc etc

Its utter nonsense.

Yes its possible for Wales to qualify for a major tournament, but where we differ - you think we should qualify ignoring the fact we havent for the last 20 attempts and blame the manager if we dont. I realise we are a tiny nation and not a very good squas and seeded 4th or 5th for a reason and thus dont expect to qualify.

Staggering.

Never once have I expected to qualify,some groups we ve had with top seeded sides in then,expectation levels are low,but given this draw,well come on none of our group were exceptional,ok belguim have a good side but the rest?surely this was one of the easiest qualifying groups we ve had for a long time,we simply should have done better,I'm not saying we could or should have beat any of these sides with ease,but at least at home we should have taken something from every game

Also get rid of all Colemans mates, his job for the boys attitude stinks to me. Hartson needs to go he is a liability. Bring in Pulis on a part time basis, he would sort our defence right out and I imagine he would be great to have in the dressing room.

Slag him off all you want for his style of football it worked with Stoke and he's a top manager. Would be a superb assistant and I think he would take on the role if he was allowed to do other work as well.

so your going to by-pass our strongest dept to whack it up to a target man we don't have

Waddle, learn to read ffs. As an assistant manager his experience would be second to none. Our tactics don't have to change. Say what you want about Pulis but he will get us sorted defensively and really work on our shape. Leave the tactics to others but he would be second to known to have in the dressing room. Top bloke as well, players loved his no nonsense style and we could do with that.

Stop being so short sighted. Coleman needs help, not sacking.

pulis as assistant manager to coleman !!!

i'm going to ignore you now because you're talking bollocks

Do you understand what you are even saying?

You are saying because Barcelona and Spain (probably the best club and national side in the world) can rely on their 5 world class midfielders and 5 world class defenders and goalkeeper to dominate matches then Wales should be able to as well just by playing the same formation!

I mean, are you even serious? You say because Iceland are doing well then Wales should too. You realise League 2 Bradford got the the cup final last year too right? Going by that every league 2 club and above should also get to the final or ots the managers fault as it CAN be done.

Literally insane.

You don't like being given answers do you ,the name calling is rather childish to ,now listen clearly I explain one last time,I ve given you examples of how things can be done,but your struggling to grasp it,Spain done it yes quality is different,even so it can be done?-yes an I right?,like u said Bradford done remarkable to get to cup final,so have they or have they not got average players?,so here it comes -do you think the system they played worked for them?,well clearly by getting to final it did,so my whole point is a team with average or below average players(as you have said wales have got),can actually qualify(I hope you finally get what I'm saying)because I'm beginning to think you've only a few brain cells

They arent answers though are they.

Its like saying Kimbo should score 50 a season because Messi does, so it can be done. If he doesnt score 50 then its his fault and hes failed. Man United won the league playing 4-4-1-1 so if Swansea adopt that then they should win the league too. Greece won the Euros so if Wales dont win them too then its all Colemans fault as Greece have no household names. Burnley beat Man United when they were newly promoted so if Cardiff dont its all Malkys fault and hes failed. Etc etc etc

Its utter nonsense.

Yes its possible for Wales to qualify for a major tournament, but where we differ - you think we should qualify ignoring the fact we havent for the last 20 attempts and blame the manager if we dont. I realise we are a tiny nation and not a very good squas and seeded 4th or 5th for a reason and thus dont expect to qualify.

Staggering.

Never once have I expected to qualify,some groups we ve had with top seeded sides in then,expectation levels are low,but given this draw,well come on none of our group were exceptional,ok belguim have a good side but the rest?surely this was one of the easiest qualifying groups we ve had for a long time,we simply should have done better,I'm not saying we could or should have beat any of these sides with ease,but at least at home we should have taken something from every game

Wow

When have we ever done this?

Belgium have the most expensive (in terms of club transfers) international squad on the planet. Croatia are an ever present in these tournaments and Serbia as part of the old Yugoslavia have massive footballing talent and always have had. Scotland as we have discussed at length also have a more experienced side and a much larger pool of quality players than we do.

We finished where we should have. It seems you want a manager to exceed expectations or hes done badly. Thats not how things work. If he finished below the seeding we were given then you would have a case. He did what was expected of us.

Do you understand what you are even saying?

You are saying because Barcelona and Spain (probably the best club and national side in the world) can rely on their 5 world class midfielders and 5 world class defenders and goalkeeper to dominate matches then Wales should be able to as well just by playing the same formation!

I mean, are you even serious? You say because Iceland are doing well then Wales should too. You realise League 2 Bradford got the the cup final last year too right? Going by that every league 2 club and above should also get to the final or ots the managers fault as it CAN be done.

Literally insane.

You don't like being given answers do you ,the name calling is rather childish to ,now listen clearly I explain one last time,I ve given you examples of how things can be done,but your struggling to grasp it,Spain done it yes quality is different,even so it can be done?-yes an I right?,like u said Bradford done remarkable to get to cup final,so have they or have they not got average players?,so here it comes -do you think the system they played worked for them?,well clearly by getting to final it did,so my whole point is a team with average or below average players(as you have said wales have got),can actually qualify(I hope you finally get what I'm saying)because I'm beginning to think you've only a few brain cells

They arent answers though are they.

Its like saying Kimbo should score 50 a season because Messi does, so it can be done. If he doesnt score 50 then its his fault and hes failed. Man United won the league playing 4-4-1-1 so if Swansea adopt that then they should win the league too. Greece won the Euros so if Wales dont win them too then its all Colemans fault as Greece have no household names. Burnley beat Man United when they were newly promoted so if Cardiff dont its all Malkys fault and hes failed. Etc etc etc

Its utter nonsense.

Yes its possible for Wales to qualify for a major tournament, but where we differ - you think we should qualify ignoring the fact we havent for the last 20 attempts and blame the manager if we dont. I realise we are a tiny nation and not a very good squas and seeded 4th or 5th for a reason and thus dont expect to qualify.

Staggering.

Never once have I expected to qualify,some groups we ve had with top seeded sides in then,expectation levels are low,but given this draw,well come on none of our group were exceptional,ok belguim have a good side but the rest?surely this was one of the easiest qualifying groups we ve had for a long time,we simply should have done better,I'm not saying we could or should have beat any of these sides with ease,but at least at home we should have taken something from every game

Wow

When have we ever done this?

Belgium have the most expensive (in terms of club transfers) international squad on the planet. Croatia are an ever present in these tournaments and Serbia as part of the old Yugoslavia have massive footballing talent and always have had. Scotland as we have discussed at length also have a more experienced side and a much larger pool of quality players than we do.

We finished where we should have. It seems you want a manager to exceed expectations or hes done badly. Thats not how things work. If he finished below the seeding we were given then you would have a case. He did what was expected of us.

Have they?interesting I would have thought brazil would have been in there,yes of course, you want a manager to exceed expectations,that's what turns him into a top manager,Croatia were there for the taking as Scotland proved,and Serbia are no world beaters,well except when our tactically useless manager,played the way he did

Belgium by quite some distance last time i checked. €239 million for just the starting 11.

Of course you WANT someone to exceed expectations, but if they dont it doesnt mean they have failed. It means they have done what was expected. Im sure you would WANT Malky to lead Cardiff to a top 6 finish, however if he doesnt it isnt his fault, you just arent as good as other teams. Simple as that.

If you want a top class manager willing to come to a country like us, a minnow and pick up 100k a year then you are in cloud cuckoo land to be frank.

Belgium by quite some distance last time i checked. €239 million for just the starting 11.

Of course you WANT someone to exceed expectations, but if they dont it doesnt mean they have failed. It means they have done what was expected. Im sure you would WANT Malky to lead Cardiff to a top 6 finish, however if he doesnt it isnt his fault, you just arent as good as other teams. Simple as that.

If you want a top class manager willing to come to a country like us, a minnow and pick up 100k a year then you are in cloud cuckoo land to be frank.

Well I'm shocked that's a question I would never have got,as for expectations at Cardiff,to avoid relegation this season,that's what I'd be happy with,as for a top manager coming,yes I agree we ve got no chance,but Gary speed after a bad start proved with some decent results that with a bit of tactical planning it can win you matches,I don't think Coleman is capable of doing anything with wales,other than just going through the motions,I'm not expecting him to turn us into world beaters,and for us to turn over the top sides,but international football to me is a one off game,where anything can happen,and we just don't look capable of beating any side,I know your a jack,but come on Harrison as a coach,seriously?,don't you think he should have employed someone with some knowledge,hartson just wants to slag cardiff off so he can keep face in swansea

You are expected to stay up though. Look at the bookies odds. So to exceed expectations then Malky would have to do a lot better than just stay up. Yet if he only managed to stay up to say he failed would be ludicrous. Same principle here.

Who I support makes no difference at all. Ive been a long time outspoken poster regarding me supporting the football team and having no bias toward the city or its fans.

I have never seen Hartson coach so cant comment, nor I assume have you. Hes done his badges, had experience playing for top teams in England and Scotland, played in the Champions League and played international football and a great servent to Wales, im not sure why people are so adverse to him being a forwards coach. Ian Rush had a spell at forwards coach under Hughes and nobody batted an eye lid.

Coleman and Speed had very similar records indeed. Both got off to a bad start and then started picking up points at the back end of the group. Colemans managerial CV is a lot better than Speeds also.

You are expected to stay up though. Look at the bookies odds. So to exceed expectations then Malky would have to do a lot better than just stay up. Yet if he only managed to stay up to say he failed would be ludicrous. Same principle here.

Who I support makes no difference at all. Ive been a long time outspoken poster regarding me supporting the football team and having no bias toward the city or its fans.

I have never seen Hartson coach so cant comment, nor I assume have you. Hes done his badges, had experience playing for top teams in England and Scotland, played in the Champions League and played international football and a great servent to Wales, im not sure why people are so adverse to him being a forwards coach. Ian Rush had a spell at forwards coach under Hughes and nobody batted an eye lid.

Coleman and Speed had very similar records indeed. Both got off to a bad start and then started picking up points at the back end of the group. Colemans managerial CV is a lot better than Speeds also.

At the start of season we were tipped to go down so I disagree,no never seen him coach obviously,and even though not the same his comments when he's commentating do make me laugh,may be it is the Swansea v Cardiff issue,but I always say it as I see it,and I say the same about Jason perry another ex who slags the jacks off to please fans,as for cvs weren't the wales job Gary speeds first,so a bit of an unfair comparison

You are expected to stay up though. Look at the bookies odds. So to exceed expectations then Malky would have to do a lot better than just stay up. Yet if he only managed to stay up to say he failed would be ludicrous. Same principle here.

Who I support makes no difference at all. Ive been a long time outspoken poster regarding me supporting the football team and having no bias toward the city or its fans.

I have never seen Hartson coach so cant comment, nor I assume have you. Hes done his badges, had experience playing for top teams in England and Scotland, played in the Champions League and played international football and a great servent to Wales, im not sure why people are so adverse to him being a forwards coach. Ian Rush had a spell at forwards coach under Hughes and nobody batted an eye lid.

Coleman and Speed had very similar records indeed. Both got off to a bad start and then started picking up points at the back end of the group. Colemans managerial CV is a lot better than Speeds also.

At the start of season we were tipped to go down so I disagree,no never seen him coach obviously,and even though not the same his comments when he's commentating do make me laugh,may be it is the Swansea v Cardiff issue,but I always say it as I see it,and I say the same about Jason perry another ex who slags the jacks off to please fans,as for cvs weren't the wales job Gary speeds first,so a bit of an unfair comparison

Until you spent £30 million. there is nothing to disagree about. You were not favourites for relegation come first kick of the season. Also we as play off winners finished 11th so going by your iceland thing, isnt anything other than a top 10 finish a failure? We probed it can be done after all?

No, Speed took Sheff Utd to the bottom the the championship.