Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:19 am
BluebirdJoe wrote:Military Junta wrote:There are women and children being gassed to death and many of you prefer to turn a blind eye!!!
If we spent all our time trying to be World Police we'd have troops in damn near half the countries on the planet.
Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:22 am
bloo wrote:OhhhGa wrote:The Western (primarily American) ideal that we can detonate every problem away still exists even after myriad failures. The reality is that Syria's problems are both deep-rooted and complex. One side is backed by Al-Qaeda, the other guilty of war crimes. Thus neither side is worthy of Western support. Not that futile and intermittent airstrikes can be labelled as such. UN must push for talks now in whatever way they can.
Fascinating to see if the U.S continues to play Doctor Democracy without their used and abused Nurse; the U.K.
Spot on
Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:36 am
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:05 am
Feeling Blue wrote:Good decision to not get involved, we should not blindly follow USA into an already terrible situation and make it worse. Not until there is 100% evidence of use of chemical weapons and which side used them. If we intervene where is the point in which we will no longer intervene. The conflict will continue even if the UN decide to take military action.
We can't afford another war which we have no business in.
Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:56 am
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:13 am
Ccfc Shane wrote:I honestly don't think we should get involved. I know its very wrong whats going on out there, but do we really want to risk more of our troops and familys being hurt for being in a war thats got nothing to do with us?
Lets be honest, if we did get involved, I could see Russia stepping in for Syria, which will open up a new kettle of fish. Before we know it we could be facing a new world war, and lets be honest thats the last thing that needs to happen.
I hope things can get sorted in Syria, because its disgusting what their doing to their people. But with our help, no offence intended.
Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:33 pm
Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:11 pm
Enola Gay wrote:When will we all learn from the past? What "justification" did the West use to invade Iraq? Weapons of Mass Destruction. What did we find? Nothing. How many people lost their lives (and continue to do so) there because of our intervention? It's in the millions - not just Sadam and those who supported him but countless innocent civilians (many killed by our not-so-smart bombs) and the brave, young British men and women loyally serving their country.
What was the real reason for that invasion? Regime-change. Who did that best serve and why? The billions being made by Western businesses through, firstly, destroying the country (the US Arms Industry equates to almost a quarter of its economic output) and then "rebuilding" it using mainly Western contractors. And let's not forget the easier access to the vast oil reserves there now that we've installed a more malleable regime.
It's all about power and money boys and girls, Humanitarianism has nothing to do with - where was the West when the millions died in Rwanda? We didn't care enough then because there wasn't a buck to be made.
Now Syria is just another example of the West flexing it's military might under an illusion of Humanitarianism. What's the real motive? Well, I wonder? Another corridor via which we can access the natural resources in the region more easily or saving lives? If we wanted to save lives there that much, why haven't we intervened before now because the dead are numbered in their hundreds of thousands and nerve gas doesn't make you any more dead than a bullet!
Do we really know who deployed the chemical weapon there recently? Why not the western-backed "Rebels" (a mottley crew of mercenaries including Americans and many other nationalities but very few Syrians)? Before we start condemning countless thousands more people to death (and that will include children and British troops), let's see some hard evidence or, better still, let's see through the veil of deceipt that's woven by our power-hungry politicians.
Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:13 pm
...glas wrote:All those people who believe we should go, should be the ones who go.
If you feel we should get involved then why not volunteer to go yourselves? Or is it easy to sit back and send someone else (or their sons) while you feel smug in the knowledge you care about humanitarian issues, while staying safe and well out of the way? This goes for the politicians and do-gooders as well.
Who used the chemical weapons? Probably the muslim brotherhood themselves to ensure we get involved.They have no problems murdering anyone to get their own evil stone age way.
Any way onto the important events of the weekend, the Everton match.
Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:11 pm
Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:46 pm
Military Junta wrote:There are women and children being gassed to death and many of you prefer to turn a blind eye!!!
Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:55 pm
Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:56 pm
splottbluebird48 wrote:There are atrocities happening in China and N. Korea do you want to send troops in there no I don't think so
Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:39 pm
JBCCFC1927 wrote:If there is a strike on Syria then Israel is going to get hit by one of Syria or one of Syria's allies. The West won't risk that with Jewish influence and media monopoly that currently resides here and in the States. It would be a disaster for them in terms of image for Tel Aviv to be attacked and run into the ground.
If Syria or one of its allies respond by attacking Israel what are the UK and the USA going to do then? The only answer is to get more deeply involved and support Israel which costs more money and goes against the initial 'this isn't going to be another war'.
They are kidding themselves if they think they can go in and out and sort the issue out. They have told us that plenty of times before. We've seen the UK make their decision and they've gone their way. Lets see if Obama follows suit. This will tell us everything we need to know as to whether the Senate is pulling the strings or the monopoly of Wall Street's wealthiest.
Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:39 pm
JBCCFC1927 wrote:If there is a strike on Syria then Israel is going to get hit by one of Syria or one of Syria's allies. The West won't risk that with Jewish influence and media monopoly that currently resides here and in the States. It would be a disaster for them in terms of image for Tel Aviv to be attacked and run into the ground.
If Syria or one of its allies respond by attacking Israel what are the UK and the USA going to do then? The only answer is to get more deeply involved and support Israel which costs more money and goes against the initial 'this isn't going to be another war'.
They are kidding themselves if they think they can go in and out and sort the issue out. They have told us that plenty of times before. We've seen the UK make their decision and they've gone their way. Lets see if Obama follows suit. This will tell us everything we need to know as to whether the Senate is pulling the strings or the monopoly of Wall Street's wealthiest.
Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:42 pm
jtc wrote:JBCCFC1927 wrote:If there is a strike on Syria then Israel is going to get hit by one of Syria or one of Syria's allies. The West won't risk that with Jewish influence and media monopoly that currently resides here and in the States. It would be a disaster for them in terms of image for Tel Aviv to be attacked and run into the ground.
If Syria or one of its allies respond by attacking Israel what are the UK and the USA going to do then? The only answer is to get more deeply involved and support Israel which costs more money and goes against the initial 'this isn't going to be another war'.
They are kidding themselves if they think they can go in and out and sort the issue out. They have told us that plenty of times before. We've seen the UK make their decision and they've gone their way. Lets see if Obama follows suit. This will tell us everything we need to know as to whether the Senate is pulling the strings or the monopoly of Wall Street's wealthiest.
very muddy situation.at first im sure a lot of people thought the rebels were the good guys a while ago and worth supporting.now it,s clear other factions including al quieda are involved.so if the rebels win and these nut jobs get a foothold in syria how long before israel get attacked?.when that happens or even looks like happening the israelies will go to town and clear up a few situations that have been on their minds for a while.our government will support israel.if we have ground troops in syria battling assad what happens if israel get a rocket volley and retaliate ?we will have a country who we will stand with actually bombing areas where our troops are.i certainly don,t think we should go in willy nilly.it needs more thought than the last two invasions that,s for sure.
Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:07 pm
JBCCFC1927 wrote:jtc wrote:JBCCFC1927 wrote:If there is a strike on Syria then Israel is going to get hit by one of Syria or one of Syria's allies. The West won't risk that with Jewish influence and media monopoly that currently resides here and in the States. It would be a disaster for them in terms of image for Tel Aviv to be attacked and run into the ground.
If Syria or one of its allies respond by attacking Israel what are the UK and the USA going to do then? The only answer is to get more deeply involved and support Israel which costs more money and goes against the initial 'this isn't going to be another war'.
They are kidding themselves if they think they can go in and out and sort the issue out. They have told us that plenty of times before. We've seen the UK make their decision and they've gone their way. Lets see if Obama follows suit. This will tell us everything we need to know as to whether the Senate is pulling the strings or the monopoly of Wall Street's wealthiest.
very muddy situation.at first im sure a lot of people thought the rebels were the good guys a while ago and worth supporting.now it,s clear other factions including al quieda are involved.so if the rebels win and these nut jobs get a foothold in syria how long before israel get attacked?.when that happens or even looks like happening the israelies will go to town and clear up a few situations that have been on their minds for a while.our government will support israel.if we have ground troops in syria battling assad what happens if israel get a rocket volley and retaliate ?we will have a country who we will stand with actually bombing areas where our troops are.i certainly don,t think we should go in willy nilly.it needs more thought than the last two invasions that,s for sure.
Agreed mate.![]()
assad has been dodgy for years but there has been relative calm with israel.it may not be the case if someone else was running the gaff.only need to look at eygpt to see what may happen.perhaps the devil you know is sometimes better.air strikes max for me atm and only with u,n backing.
Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:07 pm
JBCCFC1927 wrote:jtc wrote:JBCCFC1927 wrote:If there is a strike on Syria then Israel is going to get hit by one of Syria or one of Syria's allies. The West won't risk that with Jewish influence and media monopoly that currently resides here and in the States. It would be a disaster for them in terms of image for Tel Aviv to be attacked and run into the ground.
If Syria or one of its allies respond by attacking Israel what are the UK and the USA going to do then? The only answer is to get more deeply involved and support Israel which costs more money and goes against the initial 'this isn't going to be another war'.
They are kidding themselves if they think they can go in and out and sort the issue out. They have told us that plenty of times before. We've seen the UK make their decision and they've gone their way. Lets see if Obama follows suit. This will tell us everything we need to know as to whether the Senate is pulling the strings or the monopoly of Wall Street's wealthiest.
very muddy situation.at first im sure a lot of people thought the rebels were the good guys a while ago and worth supporting.now it,s clear other factions including al quieda are involved.so if the rebels win and these nut jobs get a foothold in syria how long before israel get attacked?.when that happens or even looks like happening the israelies will go to town and clear up a few situations that have been on their minds for a while.our government will support israel.if we have ground troops in syria battling assad what happens if israel get a rocket volley and retaliate ?we will have a country who we will stand with actually bombing areas where our troops are.i certainly don,t think we should go in willy nilly.it needs more thought than the last two invasions that,s for sure.
Agreed mate.![]()
assad has been dodgy for years but there has been relative calm with israel.it may not be the case if someone else was running the gaff.only need to look at eygpt to see what may happen.perhaps the devil you know is sometimes better.air strikes max for me atm and only with u,n backing.
Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:08 pm
JBCCFC1927 wrote:jtc wrote:JBCCFC1927 wrote:If there is a strike on Syria then Israel is going to get hit by one of Syria or one of Syria's allies. The West won't risk that with Jewish influence and media monopoly that currently resides here and in the States. It would be a disaster for them in terms of image for Tel Aviv to be attacked and run into the ground.
If Syria or one of its allies respond by attacking Israel what are the UK and the USA going to do then? The only answer is to get more deeply involved and support Israel which costs more money and goes against the initial 'this isn't going to be another war'.
They are kidding themselves if they think they can go in and out and sort the issue out. They have told us that plenty of times before. We've seen the UK make their decision and they've gone their way. Lets see if Obama follows suit. This will tell us everything we need to know as to whether the Senate is pulling the strings or the monopoly of Wall Street's wealthiest.
very muddy situation.at first im sure a lot of people thought the rebels were the good guys a while ago and worth supporting.now it,s clear other factions including al quieda are involved.so if the rebels win and these nut jobs get a foothold in syria how long before israel get attacked?.when that happens or even looks like happening the israelies will go to town and clear up a few situations that have been on their minds for a while.our government will support israel.if we have ground troops in syria battling assad what happens if israel get a rocket volley and retaliate ?we will have a country who we will stand with actually bombing areas where our troops are.i certainly don,t think we should go in willy nilly.it needs more thought than the last two invasions that,s for sure.
Agreed mate.![]()
assad has been dodgy for years but there has been relative calm with israel.it may not be the case if someone else was running the gaff.only need to look at eygpt to see what may happen.perhaps the devil you know is sometimes better.air strikes max for me atm and only with u,n backing.
Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:08 pm
jtc wrote:JBCCFC1927 wrote:jtc wrote:JBCCFC1927 wrote:If there is a strike on Syria then Israel is going to get hit by one of Syria or one of Syria's allies. The West won't risk that with Jewish influence and media monopoly that currently resides here and in the States. It would be a disaster for them in terms of image for Tel Aviv to be attacked and run into the ground.
If Syria or one of its allies respond by attacking Israel what are the UK and the USA going to do then? The only answer is to get more deeply involved and support Israel which costs more money and goes against the initial 'this isn't going to be another war'.
They are kidding themselves if they think they can go in and out and sort the issue out. They have told us that plenty of times before. We've seen the UK make their decision and they've gone their way. Lets see if Obama follows suit. This will tell us everything we need to know as to whether the Senate is pulling the strings or the monopoly of Wall Street's wealthiest.
very muddy situation.at first im sure a lot of people thought the rebels were the good guys a while ago and worth supporting.now it,s clear other factions including al quieda are involved.so if the rebels win and these nut jobs get a foothold in syria how long before israel get attacked?.when that happens or even looks like happening the israelies will go to town and clear up a few situations that have been on their minds for a while.our government will support israel.if we have ground troops in syria battling assad what happens if israel get a rocket volley and retaliate ?we will have a country who we will stand with actually bombing areas where our troops are.i certainly don,t think we should go in willy nilly.it needs more thought than the last two invasions that,s for sure.
Agreed mate.![]()
james our leaders are astonishing.we think we can police the world yet two year ago the old bill here couldn,t /wouldn,t restore order with a load of brap brap init merchants and wiggers who looted the high streets.two hundred old school millwall sorted eltham high street out if i remember right.the zulus put a firm out in town.order restored.then the old bill and media claim right wing skinheads /bnp supporters on the street yada yada.course they were short haired .they were nearly 50 yr old menmind you on that form if i was syrian i,d let the uk police them .no hands chopped off for shoplifting .a character building trip to jerusalem is what is required
assad has been dodgy for years but there has been relative calm with israel.it may not be the case if someone else was running the gaff.only need to look at eygpt to see what may happen.perhaps the devil you know is sometimes better.air strikes max for me atm and only with u,n backing.
Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:20 pm
JBCCFC1927 wrote:jtc wrote:JBCCFC1927 wrote:jtc wrote:JBCCFC1927 wrote:If there is a strike on Syria then Israel is going to get hit by one of Syria or one of Syria's allies. The West won't risk that with Jewish influence and media monopoly that currently resides here and in the States. It would be a disaster for them in terms of image for Tel Aviv to be attacked and run into the ground.
If Syria or one of its allies respond by attacking Israel what are the UK and the USA going to do then? The only answer is to get more deeply involved and support Israel which costs more money and goes against the initial 'this isn't going to be another war'.
They are kidding themselves if they think they can go in and out and sort the issue out. They have told us that plenty of times before. We've seen the UK make their decision and they've gone their way. Lets see if Obama follows suit. This will tell us everything we need to know as to whether the Senate is pulling the strings or the monopoly of Wall Street's wealthiest.
very muddy situation.at first im sure a lot of people thought the rebels were the good guys a while ago and worth supporting.now it,s clear other factions including al quieda are involved.so if the rebels win and these nut jobs get a foothold in syria how long before israel get attacked?.when that happens or even looks like happening the israelies will go to town and clear up a few situations that have been on their minds for a while.our government will support israel.if we have ground troops in syria battling assad what happens if israel get a rocket volley and retaliate ?we will have a country who we will stand with actually bombing areas where our troops are.i certainly don,t think we should go in willy nilly.it needs more thought than the last two invasions that,s for sure.
Agreed mate.![]()
james our leaders are astonishing.we think we can police the world yet two year ago the old bill here couldn,t /wouldn,t restore order with a load of brap brap init merchants and wiggers who looted the high streets.two hundred old school millwall sorted eltham high street out if i remember right.the zulus put a firm out in town.order restored.then the old bill and media claim right wing skinheads /bnp supporters on the street yada yada.course they were short haired .they were nearly 50 yr old menmind you on that form if i was syrian i,d let the uk police them .no hands chopped off for shoplifting .a character building trip to jerusalem is what is required
assad has been dodgy for years but there has been relative calm with israel.it may not be the case if someone else was running the gaff.only need to look at eygpt to see what may happen.perhaps the devil you know is sometimes better.air strikes max for me atm and only with u,n backing.
Our old bill cant even sort out a fecking bubble game properly so I've got no hope when it comes to international affairs mate.
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:21 pm
JBCCFC1927 wrote:jtc wrote:JBCCFC1927 wrote:jtc wrote:JBCCFC1927 wrote:If there is a strike on Syria then Israel is going to get hit by one of Syria or one of Syria's allies. The West won't risk that with Jewish influence and media monopoly that currently resides here and in the States. It would be a disaster for them in terms of image for Tel Aviv to be attacked and run into the ground.
If Syria or one of its allies respond by attacking Israel what are the UK and the USA going to do then? The only answer is to get more deeply involved and support Israel which costs more money and goes against the initial 'this isn't going to be another war'.
They are kidding themselves if they think they can go in and out and sort the issue out. They have told us that plenty of times before. We've seen the UK make their decision and they've gone their way. Lets see if Obama follows suit. This will tell us everything we need to know as to whether the Senate is pulling the strings or the monopoly of Wall Street's wealthiest.
very muddy situation.at first im sure a lot of people thought the rebels were the good guys a while ago and worth supporting.now it,s clear other factions including al quieda are involved.so if the rebels win and these nut jobs get a foothold in syria how long before israel get attacked?.when that happens or even looks like happening the israelies will go to town and clear up a few situations that have been on their minds for a while.our government will support israel.if we have ground troops in syria battling assad what happens if israel get a rocket volley and retaliate ?we will have a country who we will stand with actually bombing areas where our troops are.i certainly don,t think we should go in willy nilly.it needs more thought than the last two invasions that,s for sure.
Agreed mate.![]()
james our leaders are astonishing.we think we can police the world yet two year ago the old bill here couldn,t /wouldn,t restore order with a load of brap brap init merchants and wiggers who looted the high streets.two hundred old school millwall sorted eltham high street out if i remember right.the zulus put a firm out in town.order restored.then the old bill and media claim right wing skinheads /bnp supporters on the street yada yada.course they were short haired .they were nearly 50 yr old menmind you on that form if i was syrian i,d let the uk police them .no hands chopped off for shoplifting .a character building trip to jerusalem is what is required
assad has been dodgy for years but there has been relative calm with israel.it may not be the case if someone else was running the gaff.only need to look at eygpt to see what may happen.perhaps the devil you know is sometimes better.air strikes max for me atm and only with u,n backing.
Our old bill cant even sort out a fecking bubble game properly so I've got no hope when it comes to international affairs mate.
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:29 pm
Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:46 pm
Enola Gay wrote:JTC - blunt but very correct. Anyways, on a lighter note - hope we stretch the blue scouters' arses tomorrow!
from me.tbh iv enjoyed watching the jacks in the prem too.the man city game was pure theatre for the viewing public.awesome afternoon .people were buzzing after that game.
k.r.o.
Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:47 pm
Enola Gay wrote:JTC - blunt but very correct. Anyways, on a lighter note - hope we stretch the blue scouters' arses tomorrow!
from me.tbh iv enjoyed watching the jacks in the prem too.the man city game was pure theatre for the viewing public.awesome afternoon .people were buzzing after that game.
k.r.o.
Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:47 pm
Enola Gay wrote:JTC - blunt but very correct. Anyways, on a lighter note - hope we stretch the blue scouters' arses tomorrow!
from me.tbh iv enjoyed watching the jacks in the prem too.the man city game was pure theatre for the viewing public.awesome afternoon .people were buzzing after that game.
k.r.o.