27,000 +

Living memory is something you want to talk about so you can cancel out our cup win. Typical roathy.

You can't take away clubs history FFS.
Try telling any club they have to wipe out any cups before 50 years ago.

By the way, we never won the first world war either, because it was more than 50 years ago.

Err no, not quite

A cup win nearly 100 years ago when football wasnt in the professional era is unlikely to still yield a large groundswell of support still today is it, lets be frank. Unless you have hoardes 100+ year old fans filling the stadium which i very much doubt.

In my honest opinion id only really count success contributing to support from maybe the 70's onwards as thats when football really started to become a spectator sport and the nation gripped. When people talk about clubs succes its not very often they dig out Pre war success ffs.

Ask yourself this. Whats more likely to contribute to support today, a cup win in pre professional era in 1927 or a cup win in front of the new televised masses in 2013? Theres your answer.

Living memory is something you want to talk about so you can cancel out our cup win. Typical roathy.

You can't take away clubs history FFS.
Try telling any club they have to wipe out any cups before 50 years ago.

By the way, we never won the first world war either, because it was more than 50 years ago.

Err no, not quite

A cup win nearly 100 years ago when football wasnt in the professional era is unlikely to still yield a large groundswell of support still today is it, lets be frank. Unless you have hoardes 100+ year old fans filling the stadium which i very much doubt.

In my honest opinion id only really count success contributing to support from maybe the 70's onwards as thats when football really started to become a spectator sport and the nation gripped. When people talk about clubs succes its not very often they dig out Pre war success ffs.

Ask yourself this. Whats more likely to contribute to support today, a cup win in pre professional era in 1927 or a cup win in front of the new televised masses in 2013? Theres your answer.

It's part of our history, and you can't take it away just because you don't like it.
You just had your centenary celebrations, but of course, Swansea have only been playing for 50 years.
Ferk off yer twump.

You clearly dont understand what is being discussed.

Im not taking it away. Is yours, keep it. We are discussing current fan bases. Our fan base has grown due to a major cup win, european football and top 10 success in the prem.

A cup win in the pre professional era when most people on this earth were not even born is not likely to be adding numbers to your gate today is it?

You clearly dont understand what is being discussed.

Im not taking it away. Is yours, keep it. We are discussing current fan bases. Our fan base has grown due to a major cup win, european football and top 10 success in the prem.

A cup win in the pre professional era when most people on this earth were not even born is not likely to be adding numbers to your gate today is it?

I sugest you don't understand what history is.

Go tell another club their cups don't count.

You clearly dont understand what is being discussed.

Im not taking it away. Is yours, keep it. We are discussing current fan bases. Our fan base has grown due to a major cup win, european football and top 10 success in the prem.

A cup win in the pre professional era when most people on this earth were not even born is not likely to be adding numbers to your gate today is it?

Pre-professional era? The players were paid you idiot.

You clearly dont understand what is being discussed.

Im not taking it away. Is yours, keep it. We are discussing current fan bases. Our fan base has grown due to a major cup win, european football and top 10 success in the prem.

A cup win in the pre professional era when most people on this earth were not even born is not likely to be adding numbers to your gate today is it?

I sugest you don't understand what history is.

Go tell another club their cups don't count.

So you still dont understand then

Ive never said cup dont count you moron. Im saying a cup win in 1927 isnt going to get people flocking through the gates TODAY. A major cup win and success in the memory of people alive to be able to go the the game however is far more relevant to increasing the groundswell of support.

This is a non argument from the start. It is universally accepted that Cardiff always have and always will have more paying fans coming through the turnstiles than our smaller cousins. It is a question of catchment area as much as anything else. Cardiff can call on support from much more populous areas than Swansea can.

This is a non argument from the start. It is universally accepted that Cardiff always have and always will have more paying fans coming through the turnstiles than our smaller cousins. It is a question of catchment area as much as anything else. Cardiff can call on support from much more populous areas than Swansea can.

Well thats not strictly true is it.

The issue is ground capacity as we are sold out week in week out in the league games. Cardiff have historically always had marginally better attendances but that was before Swansea became a lot more successful. Success breeds the growth of a fanbase and if we look at the target market of the average football fan (young to middle aged male) its clear that in that time frame Swansea have been more successful and most of that success has come in the last 2-3 years so archiving back to attendance comparisons ore swansea success is futile as the support has come as a result of it... Hence why there are sellouts every game for now the third consecutive season.

As for a catchment area, the clubs are only 45 mins apart, any are you claim as a catchment area is also the catchment area of swansea and vice verca - even the respective cities themselves.

This is a non argument from the start. It is universally accepted that Cardiff always have and always will have more paying fans coming through the turnstiles than our smaller cousins. It is a question of catchment area as much as anything else. Cardiff can call on support from much more populous areas than Swansea can.

Well thats not strictly true is it.

The issue is ground capacity as we are sold out week in week out in the league games. Cardiff have historically always had marginally better attendances but that was before Swansea became a lot more successful. Success breeds the growth of a fanbase and if we look at the target market of the average football fan (young to middle aged male) its clear that in that time frame Swansea have been more successful and most of that success has come in the last 2-3 years so archiving back to attendance comparisons ore swansea success is futile as the support has come as a result of it... Hence why there are sellouts every game for now the third consecutive season.

As for a catchment area, the clubs are only 45 mins apart, any are you claim as a catchment area is also the catchment area of swansea and vice verca - even the respective cities themselves.

That doesn't explain though why Cardiff are moving at a pace to increase their stadium capacity to 33000+ whilst Swansea are very happy it seems with 20000 in their third Premier League season.

This is a non argument from the start. It is universally accepted that Cardiff always have and always will have more paying fans coming through the turnstiles than our smaller cousins. It is a question of catchment area as much as anything else. Cardiff can call on support from much more populous areas than Swansea can.

Well thats not strictly true is it.

The issue is ground capacity as we are sold out week in week out in the league games. Cardiff have historically always had marginally better attendances but that was before Swansea became a lot more successful. Success breeds the growth of a fanbase and if we look at the target market of the average football fan (young to middle aged male) its clear that in that time frame Swansea have been more successful and most of that success has come in the last 2-3 years so archiving back to attendance comparisons ore swansea success is futile as the support has come as a result of it... Hence why there are sellouts every game for now the third consecutive season.

As for a catchment area, the clubs are only 45 mins apart, any are you claim as a catchment area is also the catchment area of swansea and vice verca - even the respective cities themselves.

That doesn't explain though why Cardiff are moving at a pace to increase their stadium capacity to 33000+ whilst Swansea are very happy it seems with 20000 in their third Premier League season.

You didnt ask me to explain.

You are increasing because Tan wants to. We are also increasing but because the stadium isnt owned by us there is more red tape. Its obvious really.

This is a non argument from the start. It is universally accepted that Cardiff always have and always will have more paying fans coming through the turnstiles than our smaller cousins. It is a question of catchment area as much as anything else. Cardiff can call on support from much more populous areas than Swansea can.

Well thats not strictly true is it.

The issue is ground capacity as we are sold out week in week out in the league games. Cardiff have historically always had marginally better attendances but that was before Swansea became a lot more successful. Success breeds the growth of a fanbase and if we look at the target market of the average football fan (young to middle aged male) its clear that in that time frame Swansea have been more successful and most of that success has come in the last 2-3 years so archiving back to attendance comparisons ore swansea success is futile as the support has come as a result of it... Hence why there are sellouts every game for now the third consecutive season.


As for a catchment area, the clubs are only 45 mins apart, any are you claim as a catchment area is also the catchment area of swansea and vice verca - even the respective cities themselves.

That doesn't explain though why Cardiff are moving at a pace to increase their stadium capacity to 33000+ whilst Swansea are very happy it seems with 20000 in their third Premier League season.

You didnt ask me to explain.

You are increasing because Tan wants to. We are also increasing but because the stadium isnt owned by us there is more red tape. Its obvious really.

You are right it is obvious. We are increasing straight away because the demand is already there while Swansea fanny about whether to increase capacity by a couple of thousand after three seasons in the EPL. And Jacks wonder why everyone refers to them as the Welsh Wigan.

Sorry i have no idea what you are trying to debate there. You seem to have ignored what i told you. Thats not a debate thats just nonsense.

We dont own the ground so it isnt as easy as just deciding to expand. We also drew up the plans when in league 2 when 20,000 was more than enough with crowds of 7,000 or whatever it was. You were in the championship so built a stadium that could easily be expanded.

Sorry i have no idea what you are trying to debate there. You seem to have ignored what i told you. Thats not a debate thats just nonsense.

We dont own the ground so it isnt as easy as just deciding to expand. We also drew up the plans when in league 2 when 20,000 was more than enough with crowds of 7,000 or whatever it was. You were in the championship so built a stadium that could easily be expanded.

Yes, so I'm right then. Thank you.

Sorry i have no idea what you are trying to debate there. You seem to have ignored what i told you. Thats not a debate thats just nonsense.

We dont own the ground so it isnt as easy as just deciding to expand. We also drew up the plans when in league 2 when 20,000 was more than enough with crowds of 7,000 or whatever it was. You were in the championship so built a stadium that could easily be expanded.

Yes, so I'm right then. Thank you.

About having a bigger stadium? Yes, im right too as its obvious

Chelsea have been more successful then liverpool in recent years, but Liverpool still have more fans.

The shit hungry jack comes out with means f**k all.

I said living memory not recent years my boy.

Liverpool far more successful and it shows in the fanbase.

But your not an historically more successful team then cardiff, that's why your fan base is shit!

Yes we are. We are talking living memory here. Not 100 years ago when the game wasn't even professional. Living memory, 50 years ago is a good benchmark considering the vast majority of fans would be 60 and under.

Since then we have had 5 seasons in the top flight, finished in the top half, won a major trophy and qualified through europe through the proper way.

You have had 2 prem games.... Err yeah.

Living memory means f**k all roathy. Try telling an English football fan who was born in 1967 that their World Cup win is irrelevant because he weren't born then. He'd laugh in your face!

Well thats not strictly true is it.

The issue is ground capacity as we are sold out week in week out in the league games. Cardiff have historically always had marginally better attendances but that was before Swansea became a lot more successful. Success breeds the growth of a fanbase and if we look at the target market of the average football fan (young to middle aged male) its clear that in that time frame Swansea have been more successful and most of that success has come in the last 2-3 years so archiving back to attendance comparisons ore swansea success is futile as the support has come as a result of it... Hence why there are sellouts every game for now the third consecutive season.

As for a catchment area, the clubs are only 45 mins apart, any are you claim as a catchment area is also the catchment area of swansea and vice verca - even the respective cities themselves.[/quote]


Spout bollocks all you like, facts are more people pay to support Cardiff City in our own stadium, than pay to watch you in the councils ospreys ground The End

Chelsea have been more successful then liverpool in recent years, but Liverpool still have more fans.

The shit hungry jack comes out with means f**k all.

I said living memory not recent years my boy.

Liverpool far more successful and it shows in the fanbase.

Clearly you were a Liverpool fan before Swansea got in premier league judging by the way you go on about them. Plastic and a troll. Liverpool were only good in 70s and 80s. Horrible club that thinks its better than it is-bit like the jbs.

I'd like to point out that Liverpool won quite a few things since the eighties. Including the champions league.

Chelsea have been more successful then liverpool in recent years, but Liverpool still have more fans.

The shit hungry jack comes out with means f**k all.

I said living memory not recent years my boy.

Liverpool far more successful and it shows in the fanbase.

Clearly you were a Liverpool fan before Swansea got in premier league judging by the way you go on about them. Plastic and a troll. Liverpool were only good in 70s and 80s. Horrible club that thinks its better than it is-bit like the jbs.

I'd like to point out that Liverpool won quite a few things since the eighties. Including the champions league.

Won 4 trophies but no league since start of premier era. What i meant was they dominated in 70s and 80s and whilst they had won trophies before and after this the era of their true success was 70s and 80s. Still hate them though.

You clearly dont understand what is being discussed.

Im not taking it away. Is yours, keep it. We are discussing current fan bases. Our fan base has grown due to a major cup win, european football and top 10 success in the prem.

A cup win in the pre professional era when most people on this earth were not even born is not likely to be adding numbers to your gate today is it?

you're fan base is so "huge" but yet couldn't sell your allocation sunday

You clearly dont understand what is being discussed.

Im not taking it away. Is yours, keep it. We are discussing current fan bases. Our fan base has grown due to a major cup win, european football and top 10 success in the prem.

A cup win in the pre professional era when most people on this earth were not even born is not likely to be adding numbers to your gate today is it?

you're fan base is so "huge" but yet couldn't sell your allocation sunday

He clearly has no understanding of football. Our 1927 cup winners were full time professionals.

Top 10 success? Debatable-finishing 6th in early 80s and 9th once is not top 10 success although commendable for a little team from the provinces. Top 10 success is consistently being in that zone.

Living memory is something you want to talk about so you can cancel out our cup win. Typical roathy.

You can't take away clubs history FFS.
Try telling any club they have to wipe out any cups before 50 years ago.

By the way, we never won the first world war either, because it was more than 50 years ago.

Err no, not quite

A cup win nearly 100 years ago when football wasnt in the professional era is unlikely to still yield a large groundswell of support still today is it, lets be frank. Unless you have hoardes 100+ year old fans filling the stadium which i very much doubt.

In my honest opinion id only really count success contributing to support from maybe the 70's onwards as thats when football really started to become a spectator sport and the nation gripped. When people talk about clubs succes its not very often they dig out Pre war success ffs.

Ask yourself this. Whats more likely to contribute to support today, a cup win in pre professional era in 1927 or a cup win in front of the new televised masses in 2013? Theres your answer.

I suggest you research about football attendances prior to to the seventies and when you do you'll realise that crap about football really starting to be a spectator sport then is way wide of the mark.
By the way the FA legalised professionalism in football in 1885 which sort of blows your 'pre professional era in 1927' out of the water. Here to help!

Chelsea have been more successful then liverpool in recent years, but Liverpool still have more fans.

The shit hungry jack comes out with means f**k all.

I said living memory not recent years my boy.

Liverpool far more successful and it shows in the fanbase.

Clearly you were a Liverpool fan before Swansea got in premier league judging by the way you go on about them. Plastic and a troll. Liverpool were only good in 70s and 80s. Horrible club that thinks its better than it is-bit like the jbs.

I'd like to point out that Liverpool won quite a few things since the eighties. Including the champions league.

Won 4 trophies but no league since start of premier era. What i meant was they dominated in 70s and 80s and whilst they had won trophies before and after this the era of their true success was 70s and 80s. Still hate them though.

Liverpool have won a hell of a lot more then 4 trophies since the 80s.

You clearly dont understand what is being discussed.

Im not taking it away. Is yours, keep it. We are discussing current fan bases. Our fan base has grown due to a major cup win, european football and top 10 success in the prem.

A cup win in the pre professional era when most people on this earth were not even born is not likely to be adding numbers to your gate today is it?

All your saying is you have been the most successful team in Wales for the past 2 seasons. Nobody disputes that but that doesn't entitle you to make up crap about a fictional fan base.

I have read your views about 'living memory' but according to your logic Wimbledon would be a 'massive' team considering the time they spent in the First Division/Premier League and their FA Cup win in 1988, all well within 'living memory'

But they don't exist anymore a bit like the Swansea side you refer to from the 1980's who disappeared in 2002 when you failed to pay the bills.

You clearly dont understand what is being discussed.

Im not taking it away. Is yours, keep it. We are discussing current fan bases. Our fan base has grown due to a major cup win, european football and top 10 success in the prem.

A cup win in the pre professional era when most people on this earth were not even born is not likely to be adding numbers to your gate today is it?

All your saying is you have been the most successful team in Wales for the past 2 seasons. Nobody disputes that but that doesn't entitle you to make up crap about a fictional fan base.

I have read your views about 'living memory' but according to your logic Wimbledon would be a 'massive' team considering the time they spent in the First Division/Premier League and their FA Cup win in 1988, all well within 'living memory'

But they don't exist anymore a bit like the Swansea side you refer to from the 1980's who disappeared in 2002 when you failed to pay the bills.

Spot on.
The only one mentioning "living memory" is him, because it suits his warped agenda.
History is there for all to see, except for this bloke who spends/wastes his time trying to convince no-one.
Let him carry on, who is listening?
No ferker.
Notice how no-one else is backing him?

I reckon he is the Swansea equivalent of Dai Hunt.

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Swansea only had 12,000 in Europe saying it was only early stages etc amd crap opposition.


Liverpool had 42000 against notts county in the early rounds of the league cup.

Swansea only had 12,000 in Europe saying it was only early stages etc amd crap opposition.


Liverpool had 42000 against notts county in the early rounds of the league cup.

Thats because liverpool are a bigger club

However 15 years ago both Swansea and Cardiff were getting 4,000 crowds. Since then each promotion has seen crowds increase for both clubs, every bit of success adds more to the gate the following year. You made an fa cup final and your crowds increased etc.

Since then, swansea have had their most successful period in their history and have had the most successful period in welsh football for 85 years. The fanbase again naturally increased. Currently the Liberty is at bursting point with plans drawn uo for expansion afoot.

I know you like to think you have a bigger fanbase, however liking to think something and it actually being the case are two differing things all together.

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And reading through this thread people are still failing to grasp the relevance of living memory.

If we won the league cup 80 years ago that would have little to no effect on increased fanbase numbers TODAY. The obvious fact being that anyone around to see that success is now likely dead.

Living memory is vital when judging increased fanbase due to the fact that people can act upon the success and respond to it due to the fact they are still alive.

Also recent success is far more important due to the game becoming a global brand. A cup win is now watched by millions around the world, a cup win 80 years ago was watched by whoever was in the ground. It was a completely different game and anyone thinking otherwise is severely deluded.

So to reiterate, im not saying the win was null and void. Its perfectly valid. However that win in the 1920's is not what is bringing the people through the door today, that is purely recent success (promotion to the premier league).

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Of course. Surely its no suprise, if i get banned for no reason i will return. Is a simple formula.

Twitter. Bloody hell. Talk about scraping the barrel.

I dont think I can take another thing you ever say seriously after that absurdity.