BU-- PLEASE WATCH THIS VID.

VT has said no name change,now stop scaremongering fool.

Yet your quite happy to scaremonger over the red or dead .

vt was our only option,unless you know anything different.

Well I recall VT or his associates saying "other investors". That does not sound red or dead to me.

yes i remember the investor's queuing down sloper rd.

VT has said no name change,now stop scaremongering fool.

Yet your quite happy to scaremonger over the red or dead .

vt was our only option,unless you know anything different.

Well I recall VT or his associates saying "other investors". That does not sound red or dead to me.

yes i remember the investor's queuing down sloper rd.

Why would an investor make himself known to you?

Do you think Tan was lying when he said he'd find other investors?

The sad thing is people would rather have seen us go bust than play in a different colour.
How selfish and irresponsible that is.

It's a total myth that Tan wanted to perpetuate that it was red or dead.

The phrase may rhyme, it may sound simple, but it was never that simple.

You have to stand up for things in certain cases, and this is one such example. It's not acceptable to be held to ransom and not have any input into matters.

It's not just a colour either, it's the prime identity of the club. The bluebird, the colour. Everything else changes, but that doesn't.

The city we play in is clearly the main thing, but to me the colour is as important as the name of the club.

Agree mate,with every comment you have made.It's about our colours, it's about our bluebird and to many of us, it's about the love we have for the club. None of us fell in love with a club that played at home in red. FACT.

The sad thing is people would rather have seen us go bust than play in a different colour.
How selfish and irresponsible that is.

It's a total myth that Tan wanted to perpetuate that it was red or dead.

Of course it was a myth, Someone in VT's position would never publicly come out and say accept my offer or your dead. What he did was far more clever, he let the board members and fans look at the alternatives, and the alternatives weren't good. All this talk of we'll stay and help to look for new investors to replace us, OH PLEASE, does even the most blinkered anti rebrand fan think for one second new investors would step in then, when a year before we couldn't get anyone to look let alone invest, and now we had even more debt.

Does anyone believe he would have stayed propping us up at one and a half million pound a month just to carry on relentless whilst we waited for the never to come new investors.

As our CEO said at the time, without new investors we would cease to trade for more than a few months.

The phrase may rhyme, it may sound simple, but it was never that simple.

You have to stand up for things in certain cases, and this is one such example. It's not acceptable to be held to ransom and not have any input into matters.

It's not just a colour either, it's the prime identity of the club. The bluebird, the colour. Everything else changes, but that doesn't.

It may be the prime identity to you, but to many it isn't, my sense of belonging and I'm sure others will feel the same goes far deeper than a colour, can't think of many who started watching the club because they played in blue and that was their favourite colour.
We have been to Wembley four time s in recent years, I can honestly say I can't remember what colour we played in for either game, and when they run out onto the pitch, checking to see what colour shirt they were wearing was the least of my priorities.

The city we play in is clearly the main thing, but to me the colour is as important as the name of the club.

We all have different lists of importance I'm sure, a bit like a relationship, rarely does everything get 100% every time, but as long as the whole package is acceptable then you push on and stick with it.
Really support is proven when tested,not having things your own way all the time is not the way things work, sickness and health, good and bad, putting the best choice for the club ahead of your own is one such test.

Agree with this.

The sad thing is people would rather have seen us go bust than play in a different colour.
How selfish and irresponsible that is.

It's a total myth that Tan wanted to perpetuate that it was red or dead.

Of course it was a myth, Someone in VT's position would never publicly come out and say accept my offer or your dead. What he did was far more clever, he let the board members and fans look at the alternatives, and the alternatives weren't good. All this talk of we'll stay and help to look for new investors to replace us, OH PLEASE, does even the most blinkered anti rebrand fan think for one second new investors would step in then, when a year before we couldn't get anyone to look let alone invest, and now we had even more debt.

Does anyone believe he would have stayed propping us up at one and a half million pound a month just to carry on relentless whilst we waited for the never to come new investors.

As our CEO said at the time, without new investors we would cease to trade for more than a few months.

The phrase may rhyme, it may sound simple, but it was never that simple.

You have to stand up for things in certain cases, and this is one such example. It's not acceptable to be held to ransom and not have any input into matters.

It's not just a colour either, it's the prime identity of the club. The bluebird, the colour. Everything else changes, but that doesn't.

It may be the prime identity to you, but to many it isn't, my sense of belonging and I'm sure others will feel the same goes far deeper than a colour, can't think of many who started watching the club because they played in blue and that was their favourite colour.
We have been to Wembley four time s in recent years, I can honestly say I can't remember what colour we played in for either game, and when they run out onto the pitch, checking to see what colour shirt they were wearing was the least of my priorities.

The city we play in is clearly the main thing, but to me the colour is as important as the name of the club.

We all have different lists of importance I'm sure, a bit like a relationship, rarely does everything get 100% every time, but as long as the whole package is acceptable then you push on and stick with it.
Really support is proven when tested,not having things your own way all the time is not the way things work, sickness and health, good and bad, putting the best choice for the club ahead of your own is one such test.

Agree with this.

Hey Kojak, Oo Loves ya baby?

The sad thing is people would rather have seen us go bust than play in a different colour.
How selfish and irresponsible that is.

It's a total myth that Tan wanted to perpetuate that it was red or dead.

The phrase may rhyme, it may sound simple, but it was never that simple.

You have to stand up for things in certain cases, and this is one such example. It's not acceptable to be held to ransom and not have any input into matters.

It's not just a colour either, it's the prime identity of the club. The bluebird, the colour. Everything else changes, but that doesn't.

The city we play in is clearly the main thing, but to me the colour is as important as the name of the club.

Agree mate,with every comment you have made.It's about our colours, it's about our bluebird and to many of us, it's about the love we have for the club. None of us fell in love with a club that played at home in red. FACT.

most fans i know fell in love with Cardiff City not the colour blue.

The sad thing is people would rather have seen us go bust than play in a different colour.
How selfish and irresponsible that is.

It's a total myth that Tan wanted to perpetuate that it was red or dead.

The phrase may rhyme, it may sound simple, but it was never that simple.

You have to stand up for things in certain cases, and this is one such example. It's not acceptable to be held to ransom and not have any input into matters.

It's not just a colour either, it's the prime identity of the club. The bluebird, the colour. Everything else changes, but that doesn't.

The city we play in is clearly the main thing, but to me the colour is as important as the name of the club.

Agree mate,with every comment you have made.It's about our colours, it's about our bluebird and to many of us, it's about the love we have for the club. None of us fell in love with a club that played at home in red. FACT.

most fans i know fell in love with Cardiff City not the colour blue.

And when they sang 'bluebirds' they sang about the bird and not a blue one?

The sad thing is people would rather have seen us go bust than play in a different colour.
How selfish and irresponsible that is.

It's a total myth that Tan wanted to perpetuate that it was red or dead.

The phrase may rhyme, it may sound simple, but it was never that simple.

You have to stand up for things in certain cases, and this is one such example. It's not acceptable to be held to ransom and not have any input into matters.

It's not just a colour either, it's the prime identity of the club. The bluebird, the colour. Everything else changes, but that doesn't.

The city we play in is clearly the main thing, but to me the colour is as important as the name of the club.

Agree mate,with every comment you have made.It's about our colours, it's about our bluebird and to many of us, it's about the love we have for the club. None of us fell in love with a club that played at home in red. FACT.

most fans i know fell in love with Cardiff City not the colour blue.

What is Cardiff City to you? Just 11 letters?

The sad thing is people would rather have seen us go bust than play in a different colour.
How selfish and irresponsible that is.

It's a total myth that Tan wanted to perpetuate that it was red or dead.

The phrase may rhyme, it may sound simple, but it was never that simple.

You have to stand up for things in certain cases, and this is one such example. It's not acceptable to be held to ransom and not have any input into matters.

It's not just a colour either, it's the prime identity of the club. The bluebird, the colour. Everything else changes, but that doesn't.

The city we play in is clearly the main thing, but to me the colour is as important as the name of the club.

Agree mate,with every comment you have made.It's about our colours, it's about our bluebird and to many of us, it's about the love we have for the club. None of us fell in love with a club that played at home in red. FACT.

most fans i know fell in love with Cardiff City not the colour blue.

What is Cardiff City to you? Just 11 letters?

it sounds like Cardiff City means just 4 letters to you.
You really need to get a life.

most fans i know fell in love with Cardiff City not the colour blue.

To some, it's not the same club that we fell in love with...

I know I didn't fall in love with a club which has another country plastered all over it, a club that celebrates more Asian traditions than it does Welsh, a club that has dancing dragons on the pitch at half time, a club that wears red shirts with dragons on for another country...

Shame.

most fans i know fell in love with Cardiff City not the colour blue.

To some, it's not the same club that we fell in love with...

I know I didn't fall in love with a club which has another country plastered all over it, a club that celebrates more Asian traditions than it does Welsh, a club that has dancing dragons on the pitch at half time, a club that wears red shirts with dragons on for another country...

Shame.

by the tone of your statement i take it you must be one of the few who hate it that much you have boycotted matches.

VT has said no name change,now stop scaremongering fool.

Yet your quite happy to scaremonger over the red or dead .

vt was our only option,unless you know anything different.

Well I recall VT or his associates saying "other investors". That does not sound red or dead to me.

Yes he said they would try and help the club to find other investors, that doesn't mean there were any waiting in the wings, and how long do you think they'd have hung around if none were forthcoming.

The sad thing is people would rather have seen us go bust than play in a different colour.
How selfish and irresponsible that is.

It's a total myth that Tan wanted to perpetuate that it was red or dead.

The phrase may rhyme, it may sound simple, but it was never that simple.

You have to stand up for things in certain cases, and this is one such example. It's not acceptable to be held to ransom and not have any input into matters.

It's not just a colour either, it's the prime identity of the club. The bluebird, the colour. Everything else changes, but that doesn't.

The city we play in is clearly the main thing, but to me the colour is as important as the name of the club.

Agree mate,with every comment you have made.It's about our colours, it's about our bluebird and to many of us, it's about the love we have for the club. None of us fell in love with a club that played at home in red. FACT.

most fans i know fell in love with Cardiff City not the colour blue.

Exactly, when I was watching aged eleven, I don't think I even noticed the colours, to busy trying to learn the songs and fit in, I wouldn't have felt any different if they had been playing in tartan.

The sad thing is people would rather have seen us go bust than play in a different colour.
How selfish and irresponsible that is.

It's a total myth that Tan wanted to perpetuate that it was red or dead.

The phrase may rhyme, it may sound simple, but it was never that simple.

You have to stand up for things in certain cases, and this is one such example. It's not acceptable to be held to ransom and not have any input into matters.

It's not just a colour either, it's the prime identity of the club. The bluebird, the colour. Everything else changes, but that doesn't.

The city we play in is clearly the main thing, but to me the colour is as important as the name of the club.

Agree mate,with every comment you have made.It's about our colours, it's about our bluebird and to many of us, it's about the love we have for the club. None of us fell in love with a club that played at home in red. FACT.

most fans i know fell in love with Cardiff City not the colour blue.

Exactly, when I was watching aged eleven, I don't think I even noticed the colours, to busy trying to learn the songs and fit in, I wouldn't have felt any different if they had been playing in tartan.

Gwyn, at that age you wouldn't of cared less had they become the Cardiff Dragons either. Just saying, the innocence of youth.

The older you get, you build a relationship with a club, only for the icons to be ripped away. From blue to red, it's just ludicrous.

The colours and the bluebird means as much as the hoops do to Celtic and the three lions do to England.

We should be deeply proud of it, not shrug our shoulders and let someone chuck them away.

The sad thing is people would rather have seen us go bust than play in a different colour.
How selfish and irresponsible that is.

It's a total myth that Tan wanted to perpetuate that it was red or dead.

The phrase may rhyme, it may sound simple, but it was never that simple.

You have to stand up for things in certain cases, and this is one such example. It's not acceptable to be held to ransom and not have any input into matters.

It's not just a colour either, it's the prime identity of the club. The bluebird, the colour. Everything else changes, but that doesn't.

The city we play in is clearly the main thing, but to me the colour is as important as the name of the club.

Agree mate,with every comment you have made.It's about our colours, it's about our bluebird and to many of us, it's about the love we have for the club. None of us fell in love with a club that played at home in red. FACT.

most fans i know fell in love with Cardiff City not the colour blue.

Exactly, when I was watching aged eleven, I don't think I even noticed the colours, to busy trying to learn the songs and fit in, I wouldn't have felt any different if they had been playing in tartan.

Gwyn, at that age you wouldn't of cared less had they become the Cardiff Dragons either. Just saying, the innocence of youth.

The older you get, you build a relationship with a club, only for the icons to be ripped away. From blue to red, it's just ludicrous.

The colours and the bluebird means as much as the hoops do to Celtic and the three lions do to England.

We should be deeply proud of it, not shrug our shoulders and let someone chuck them away.

THIS CCFC

Re the You tube link.

This is an embarrassment. Step back and get some perspective.

What are you looking to achieve with this march?

You need to ask yourself 2 important questions what's going to be gained by doing this?

Is this going to benefit the club?

Just let it go its a small price to pay for club stability and us being in the premiership. I do question the character and intelligence of anyone who is still wasting energy on this topic.

Yes it will benefit the club, because the discord created by the rebrand, and the totally mixed branding the club now has is damaging. Without question, we'd be better if Tan can be convinced to get us back to blue, which has to be the aim.

What was your second question?

1. You are not going to get Tan to do a U turn. The sooner you accept it the sooner you can start enjoying what we've got.

I'm getting pissed off with all this crap and believe you me I'm not the only Cardiff fan who is. You march you haven't got my support, it will gain nothing, segregate supporters and damage the club and relationship with the Milaysians, and the club is number one so get a grip!

Re the You tube link.

This is an embarrassment. Step back and get some perspective.

What are you looking to achieve with this march?

You need to ask yourself 2 important questions what's going to be gained by doing this?

Is this going to benefit the club?

Just let it go its a small price to pay for club stability and us being in the premiership. I do question the character and intelligence of anyone who is still wasting energy on this topic.

Yes it will benefit the club, because the discord created by the rebrand, and the totally mixed branding the club now has is damaging. Without question, we'd be better if Tan can be convinced to get us back to blue, which has to be the aim.

What was your second question?

1. You are not going to get Tan to do a U turn. The sooner you accept it the sooner you can start enjoying what we've got.

I'm getting pissed off with all this crap and believe you me I'm not the only Cardiff fan who is. You march you haven't got my support, it will gain nothing, segregate supporters and damage the club and relationship with the Milaysians, and the club is number one so get a grip!

Sorry mate, but just cos you say something, it doesn't mean every City fan has to do it.

You seriously got a problem with Cardiff City fans celebrating the frickin' bluebird have you?

Get a grip mun. Stay in the pub, watch the game on the TV, do whatever makes you happy, but stop criticising Cardiff City supporters.

Tan is damaging relations by not engaging and listening with supporters. He needs to show the club's heritage more respect.

You do as you please, but I am proud of my club, and I won't shy away from it.

Re the You tube link.

This is an embarrassment. Step back and get some perspective.

What are you looking to achieve with this march?

You need to ask yourself 2 important questions what's going to be gained by doing this?

Is this going to benefit the club?

Just let it go its a small price to pay for club stability and us being in the premiership. I do question the character and intelligence of anyone who is still wasting energy on this topic.

Yes it will benefit the club, because the discord created by the rebrand, and the totally mixed branding the club now has is damaging. Without question, we'd be better if Tan can be convinced to get us back to blue, which has to be the aim.

What was your second question?

1. You are not going to get Tan to do a U turn. The sooner you accept it the sooner you can start enjoying what we've got.

I'm getting pissed off with all this crap and believe you me I'm not the only Cardiff fan who is. You march you haven't got my support, it will gain nothing, segregate supporters and damage the club and relationship with the Milaysians, and the club is number one so get a grip!

Sorry mate, but just cos you say something, it doesn't mean every City fan has to do it.

You seriously got a problem with Cardiff City fans celebrating the frickin' bluebird have you?

Get a grip mun. Stay in the pub, watch the game on the TV, do whatever makes you happy, but stop criticising Cardiff City supporters.

Tan is damaging relations by not engaging and listening with supporters. He needs to show the club's heritage more respect.

You do as you please, but I am proud of my club, and I won't shy away from it.

As they say let's cut the bullshit.....
1. Why are you really marching.
2. what are you going to achieve,
3. how is this march going to benefit the club

None of this bollocks that you're marching to 'celebrate the bluebird'
Look I was disappointed to loose the badge and colour it's a real shame, but as the vast majority of supporters agree after some thought its a very small price to pay. There has also been compromise and consideration by the club so they have listened to a small degree. In life you can't have it all our way and we just need to realise this and get behind the positives that have happened.

General opinion is not behind these marches, at first there was some support now this has hugely diminished.
Come on fellow city boys lets focus on what really matters...........

ChiChi,

You have nothing to fear mate. This is Cardiff City fans marching for Cardiff City, behind our historical shirt and bluebird.

Nothing to fear whatsoever. This is genuine fire and passion, and Tan would expect nothing less to be honest.

Who knows what will change, but if City fans do nothing whatsoever, then you can bet your bottom dollar that the rebrand will accelerate, and go who knows where?

There is nothing in our history to be ashamed of, nothing to fear, so it's right that people who are proud of the bluebird are allowed to show it.

I grew up with people laughing at me for wearing a City shirt, that won't happen now. Nothing to be ashamed of!

VT has said no name change,now stop scaremongering fool.

Yet your quite happy to scaremonger over the red or dead .

BOOM!

As Chuckles said... What a hypocrit. Don't you think it should say RedorPlayinginbluewithadifferentowner... I'm sure if the board put their foot down then Tan would of allowed the blue to stay.
I highly doubt VT gave an ultimatum to the board. He probably just put his ideas across and the board allowed it.

I just wish that the fans were given the choice on a vote - similar to the shorts vote which I must say was a waste of time anyway

Boom.
Another Bu member talking utter shit.

Talking shit?

Where is your proof that Tan gave an ultimatum to the board?

The guys called redordead, it's barely worth debating it. He doesn't care about the colours.

It's like wanting to talk liberal politics with someone called Al Qaeda Bob, it's highly unlikely you'll ever change his mind, unfortunately.

The guys called redordead, it's barely worth debating it. He doesn't care about the colours.

It's like wanting to talk liberal politics with someone called Al Qaeda Bob, it's highly unlikely you'll ever change his mind, unfortunately.

I suppose you are right.

The difference between us and people who think like him is we aren't narrow minded.
We appreciate all the things Tan has done and is planning on doing for us.... EXCEPT FOR THE REBRAND.

It really isn't that hard to understand

VT has said no name change,now stop scaremongering fool.

Yet your quite happy to scaremonger over the red or dead .

BOOM!

As Chuckles said... What a hypocrit. Don't you think it should say RedorPlayinginbluewithadifferentowner... I'm sure if the board put their foot down then Tan would of allowed the blue to stay.
I highly doubt VT gave an ultimatum to the board. He probably just put his ideas across and the board allowed it.

I just wish that the fans were given the choice on a vote - similar to the shorts vote which I must say was a waste of time anyway

Boom.
Another Bu member talking utter shit.

Talking shit?

Where is your proof that Tan gave an ultimatum to the board?

It's well known to everyone bar you,go along with tans vision or no investment.You would have turned him down and watch our club die.You fool baker stick your head back in the sand.

The real world is more complex.

Incidentally, redordead, why are you named after a womens' shoes company?

The real world is more complex.

Incidentally, redordead, why are you named after a womens' shoes company?

Please don't corrupt his innocence with nuance i fear he'll become abusive.


They do stillettos in a size 10.(I've heard)

ahh so redordead is Spartacus then haha , caught out there

most fans i know fell in love with Cardiff City not the colour blue.

To some, it's not the same club that we fell in love with...

I know I didn't fall in love with a club which has another country plastered all over it, a club that celebrates more Asian traditions than it does Welsh, a club that has dancing dragons on the pitch at half time, a club that wears red shirts with dragons on for another country...

Shame.

you say it not the same club that you fell in love with,but you renewed for this season
strange

ChiChi,

You have nothing to fear mate. This is Cardiff City fans marching for Cardiff City, behind our historical shirt and bluebird.

Nothing to fear whatsoever. This is genuine fire and passion, and Tan would expect nothing less to be honest.

Who knows what will change, but if City fans do nothing whatsoever, then you can bet your bottom dollar that the rebrand will accelerate, and go who knows where?

There is nothing in our history to be ashamed of, nothing to fear, so it's right that people who are proud of the bluebird are allowed to show it.

I grew up with people laughing at me for wearing a City shirt, that won't happen now. Nothing to be ashamed of!

Seriously save your passion for inside the stadium supporting the boys.

If you want to use your passion to complain about the badge and colour and how badly you think the supporters have been treated (which they havent, and on the contrary) by the Malaysians in-spite of all the good that's been done that's your decision.

Most supporters now are just saying give it a rest. If something worthwhile comes up trust me well all be behind it in force, but this isn't.

Signing off this one pal, lets have a good game tomorrow
















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