Sea of red in the Grandstand

even had a couple of youngsters holding up a banner . AGAINST MODERN FOOTBALL. KEEP CARDIFF BLUE OR SOMETHING?

Hardy surprising. Some fans want a new identity so when people look back they can say 'I was there and lived the red, the premier years and so on'.

Of course it would be amazing to turn back to blue bit with Tan at the helm there's no chance. It's like preaching Islam to a Christian, you're getting nowhere.

RE:"plastics" 82 yr old been going to watch cardiff city for over 60 years is now regarded as a plastic cos he chose to wear a red top??never did i imagine that i would have to be concerned for him at a "home" game! Some of the vitriol on here has me thinking.ffs cardiff city runs through his veins its all about choice.HIS!!!!

Concerned for him at an home game .Don,t be so dramatic I was there with my 10 year old and I didn't feel concerned.If the blue shirt was on sale my son would have been in blue.Like you said its all about choice but we Don,t have one.Put the three colour shirts on sale the same time see which one sells simple

Last season, Bluebirds Unite wasn't around and there was a lot of people going to games in 'normal' clothes such as black coats and their everyday casual clothing

This season however, hundreds more fans in the stadium will join the fans who were already wearing blue last season and there will be more blue... THEN Tan will be forced to correct himself from when he said only "5%" of people were against the rebrand. It probably looked around 5% due to the fact not many people wore blue last season due to the fact they were beaten down by people who had accepted the rebrand AND I was one of those people.

This season, I feel confident enough that there are more people out there who support the blue thanks largely to Sian Branson at Bluebirds Unite.
I know of a couple of people who have NEVER worn a football shirt to a game that have said that they are now going to wear their old blue Cardiff shirts just to increase the numbers.

I do wish VT would understand that there is only around 5% of the fans who want him out... the rest of us purely want the rebrand scrapped and for the Blue to make a comeback.

Last season, Bluebirds Unite wasn't around and there was a lot of people going to games in 'normal' clothes such as black coats and their everyday casual clothing

This season however, hundreds more fans in the stadium will join the fans who were already wearing blue last season and there will be more blue... THEN Tan will be forced to correct himself from when he said only "5%" of people were against the rebrand. It probably looked around 5% due to the fact not many people wore blue last season due to the fact they were beaten down by people who had accepted the rebrand AND I was one of those people.

This season, I feel confident enough that there are more people out there who support the blue thanks largely to Sian Branson at Bluebirds Unite.
I know of a couple of people who have NEVER worn a football shirt to a game that have said that they are now going to wear their old blue Cardiff shirts just to increase the numbers.

I do wish VT would understand that there is only around 5% of the fans who want him out... the rest of us purely want the rebrand scrapped and for the Blue to make a comeback.

Also, come the end of the season the chant "the blues are going up" seemed to sound ALOT louder than any chant during the whole season... I bet a lot of the red shirt wearers chanted that too mind.

Even as a reluctant red I have to say some reluctant reds are pathetic to continuously go out of their way to belittle BU. Just let them get on with things and do as we should be doing and enjoying the football.

From day one the battle lines were drawn and both sides are equally to blame for the enmity that exists.

How can you have an opinion on a sea of red if you weren't there. I was there, I love the red, red red red red red red red red.history is history, until you own the club respect the colours we play in. Your a fan, not inside the club and if someone as passionate as bellers will wear red, (who doesn't need the money) then what more passionate argument than running your heart out for the club can you offer......let me guess ( I was stood on a rain swept terrace drinking bow n 84 season) how passionate. The club has moved on and trying to drag it back is pissing the majority off. It's time to takeour club to the next level irrespective of colour.

Where have I had an opinion on a "sea of red"? Please quote me, as I haven't tried to claim anything at all. All I've stated is my dislike for the red shirt.

Please read my posts correctly in future, before you incorrectly choose to be critical of me.

No, I wasn't drinking bow in the 84 season, though that's totally irrelevant. I've not known any club change its colour to "drag itself into the new level". Who knew blue was so restrictive? Somebody should tell Chelsea & Manchester City.

Drinking bow on the terraces in 84 where do they come from suppose it's a better claim to fame than Rochdale on a Tuesday.

Barry chuckle: bit hypocritical of you to tell bobbankbandit to read your posts properly before incorrectly accusing you of making statements you didnt make!! Wasnt that the very same thing you did with my post!? Incorrectly accusing me of making a statement(or two!!) i didn't make?only saying like!!

Ninian Stand just before KO.

Sea of red???? Lets wait till the man city game to see where we are regarding blue or red!

Barry chuckle: bit hypocritical of you to tell bobbankbandit to read your posts properly before incorrectly accusing you of making statements you didnt make!! Wasnt that the very same thing you did with my post!? Incorrectly accusing me of making a statement(or two!!) i didn't make?only saying like!!

The Chuckmeister was owned in a thread yesterday and now he's trying to gain a smidge of credibility back.

Unfortunately for him he's failing badly yet again.

And my caveat is: "it's only my opinion to which I'm entitled"

Its every ones choice what they wear, there's on right or wrong in the case pertaining to our club & the re brand issues.

Today I wore blue, my choice. My son wore red, his choice. Thank god we live in a free country!

I must say that filtering through a load of this red/blue tit for tat it's very refreshing to see a point of view that is open and honest and above all non judgemental.
A lifelong City Fan chooses to wear Blue and sees his son wear red and not try to brainwash him to do "as dad does" is great.
The thing is...the young City fans feel as though they are part of something new and see themselves as the pioneers of the new Cardiff City era. and why shouldn't they? I'm quite sure if i was 30 + years younger I would feel just like them and want to be a part of the new dawn.
I will never try to change anyone's view on wearing the colour they choose to wear as it's their choice and I respect choice.
They have their reasons for wearing red just as the blue have their reasons for wearing Blue.
Debate has been lost and bitterness has set in and for that reason VT can be blamed for disregarding fans emotions.
I still hear nothing of a compromise from fans as they seem to be in one camp or another mostly. I'm not saying for one minute that VT shouldn't try to embrace fans with a compromising solution but the saddest thing of all is....I don't think he will.
We as fans though who are undoubtedly emotionally attached need to find a way of breeching VT's iron exterior and without arguing, shouting, victimising and systematic bullying try to appeal to VT's emotions.
If, after genuinely trying there is no way forward then it's up to VT to pick up the pieces when City fans stay away due to hostile atmosphere etc.
I believe it's all been done in the wrong manner from the offset....firstly by VT and carried on by us fans in general.
The best way forward in my humble oppinion would be through the supporters trust who can speak directly to VT with any proposals put forward.
This would mean a committee from both red and blue camps sitting down and being prepared to give ant take in order to reach the compromise.
If VT does not even entertain a meeting then he surely is a person who cares so little of The Cardiff City community then he should go.

Jes, i couldn't have put it better myself. I don't know the answers to it all, & im not even going to try, but you do put forward some interesting points & ideas. I firmly believe that a compromise can,,,& indeed will develop through a mature & intelligent dialogue with VT & Co in the future. He certainly will not budge to sabre rattlings or guns to his head.

Time will tell.

I wish I had confidence in the trust but I don't. That's why I support BU because they are the only ones making a stand for the blue. The trust have made a statement but that all they have done. I have yet to see any constructive action from them. Infact all I have seen is their leadership giving support to PMG and Steve Borley who basically tend to gain from the residency of Tan. As far as I am concerned the trust seem to be under control of the board that won't say boo to Tan.

I think you are quite right to believe that the trust is doing very little as I myself have not heard noises coming from them but.....Has the question been asked of them for their support in carrying forward a means to a resolution?
I also agree that BU are the only ones seemingly making a stand but can you honestly say that the BU stand is working? if so, then carry on supporting it and I hope you come to the result you require but I myself have resolutions about how it's progressed. I believe the intentions were correct and admirable but due to the way some of the BU have put their point accross it's alienated alot of fans and even driven some to turn the other way. Saying that.....I believe the actions of some of the red corner have done as much....if not more to cause this divide in some of their comments from the outset.
One spokesperson should have been at the helm of the BU and all others should have supported. Too many people have differing views in the case of the BU and they range from getting TAN out to Getting him to keep funding the Team and get nothing whatsoever in return.
I actually think Sian was a very good spokesperson for the BU and came accross as a very natural speaker with good intent but so many people have put her down that it's gonna be really difficult for her to be taken seriously en masse, Also I would say that many of her supporters have done her no justice by taking her message and turning it into extremism.
I do hope Sian continues however as I think she is the right person to take her message and deliver it in the right manner.

Respect should be given to her for what she is trying to achieve but they must also let "HER" carry the word in the peaceful manner in which she's trying to do.
As for Steve Borley making a gain from all this? I don't believe that for one moment as he is one of a dying breed who actualy is affiliated with our club. He's a fan and he's personally been responsible for pulling our club through some tough times. If anyone deserves to gain then I would say it was Steve Borley himself.

The BU forgot the bouncy castle one again today?

Any confirmation of why it wasn't?

I am not trolling but expect it to be done at games?

I think you are quite right to believe that the trust is doing very little as I myself have not heard noises coming from them but.....Has the question been asked of them for their support in carrying forward a means to a resolution?
I also agree that BU are the only ones seemingly making a stand but can you honestly say that the BU stand is working? if so, then carry on supporting it and I hope you come to the result you require but I myself have resolutions about how it's progressed. I believe the intentions were correct and admirable but due to the way some of the BU have put their point accross it's alienated alot of fans and even driven some to turn the other way. Saying that.....I believe the actions of some of the red corner have done as much....if not more to cause this divide in some of their comments from the outset.
One spokesperson should have been at the helm of the BU and all others should have supported. Too many people have differing views in the case of the BU and they range from getting TAN out to Getting him to keep funding the Team and get nothing whatsoever in return.
I actually think Sian was a very good spokesperson for the BU and came accross as a very natural speaker with good intent but so many people have put her down that it's gonna be really difficult for her to be taken seriously en masse, Also I would say that many of her supporters have done her no justice by taking her message and turning it into extremism.
I do hope Sian continues however as I think she is the right person to take her message and deliver it in the right manner.

Respect should be given to her for what she is trying to achieve but they must also let "HER" carry the word in the peaceful manner in which she's trying to do.
As for Steve Borley making a gain from all this? I don't believe that for one moment as he is one of a dying breed who actualy is affiliated with our club. He's a fan and he's personally been responsible for pulling our club through some tough times. If anyone deserves to gain then I would say it was Steve Borley himself.

The trust have had a vote on the rebrand and it favoured a return to blue, no surprise there. I await their next step whatever that is but there has been some time between the vote and now but yet anything constructive has happened that I have heard of.

The aims of BU have been made clear from the leadership over the last month. That is difficult to believe if you rely on posting about BU from such media as forums like this. There has been a fair share of criticism on here from what I consider individuals trying to shit stir. BU hold meetings for people to attend and at present these are the best avenues to see what BU is all about.

Steve Borley has been an outstanding supporter of Cardiff and is consider the fan on the board. I just find it very strange how he has basically turned his back on the blue and comes over very red. Very strange.

I think you are quite right to believe that the trust is doing very little as I myself have not heard noises coming from them but.....Has the question been asked of them for their support in carrying forward a means to a resolution?
I also agree that BU are the only ones seemingly making a stand but can you honestly say that the BU stand is working? if so, then carry on supporting it and I hope you come to the result you require but I myself have resolutions about how it's progressed. I believe the intentions were correct and admirable but due to the way some of the BU have put their point accross it's alienated alot of fans and even driven some to turn the other way. Saying that.....I believe the actions of some of the red corner have done as much....if not more to cause this divide in some of their comments from the outset.
One spokesperson should have been at the helm of the BU and all others should have supported. Too many people have differing views in the case of the BU and they range from getting TAN out to Getting him to keep funding the Team and get nothing whatsoever in return.
I actually think Sian was a very good spokesperson for the BU and came accross as a very natural speaker with good intent but so many people have put her down that it's gonna be really difficult for her to be taken seriously en masse, Also I would say that many of her supporters have done her no justice by taking her message and turning it into extremism.
I do hope Sian continues however as I think she is the right person to take her message and deliver it in the right manner.

Respect should be given to her for what she is trying to achieve but they must also let "HER" carry the word in the peaceful manner in which she's trying to do.
As for Steve Borley making a gain from all this? I don't believe that for one moment as he is one of a dying breed who actualy is affiliated with our club. He's a fan and he's personally been responsible for pulling our club through some tough times. If anyone deserves to gain then I would say it was Steve Borley himself.

The trust have had a vote on the rebrand and it favoured a return to blue, no surprise there. I await their next step whatever that is but there has been some time between the vote and now but yet anything constructive has happened that I have heard of.

The aims of BU have been made clear from the leadership over the last month. That is difficult to believe if you rely on posting about BU from such media as forums like this. There has been a fair share of criticism on here from what I consider individuals trying to shit stir. BU hold meetings for people to attend and at present these are the best avenues to see what BU is all about.

Steve Borley has been an outstanding supporter of Cardiff and is consider the fan on the board. I just find it very strange how he has basically turned his back on the blue and comes over very red. Very strange.

Probably so he's in Tan's good books.

I think you are quite right to believe that the trust is doing very little as I myself have not heard noises coming from them but.....Has the question been asked of them for their support in carrying forward a means to a resolution?
I also agree that BU are the only ones seemingly making a stand but can you honestly say that the BU stand is working? if so, then carry on supporting it and I hope you come to the result you require but I myself have resolutions about how it's progressed. I believe the intentions were correct and admirable but due to the way some of the BU have put their point accross it's alienated alot of fans and even driven some to turn the other way. Saying that.....I believe the actions of some of the red corner have done as much....if not more to cause this divide in some of their comments from the outset.
One spokesperson should have been at the helm of the BU and all others should have supported. Too many people have differing views in the case of the BU and they range from getting TAN out to Getting him to keep funding the Team and get nothing whatsoever in return.
I actually think Sian was a very good spokesperson for the BU and came accross as a very natural speaker with good intent but so many people have put her down that it's gonna be really difficult for her to be taken seriously en masse, Also I would say that many of her supporters have done her no justice by taking her message and turning it into extremism.
I do hope Sian continues however as I think she is the right person to take her message and deliver it in the right manner.

Respect should be given to her for what she is trying to achieve but they must also let "HER" carry the word in the peaceful manner in which she's trying to do.
As for Steve Borley making a gain from all this? I don't believe that for one moment as he is one of a dying breed who actualy is affiliated with our club. He's a fan and he's personally been responsible for pulling our club through some tough times. If anyone deserves to gain then I would say it was Steve Borley himself.

The trust have had a vote on the rebrand and it favoured a return to blue, no surprise there. I await their next step whatever that is but there has been some time between the vote and now but yet anything constructive has happened that I have heard of.

The aims of BU have been made clear from the leadership over the last month. That is difficult to believe if you rely on posting about BU from such media as forums like this. There has been a fair share of criticism on here from what I consider individuals trying to shit stir. BU hold meetings for people to attend and at present these are the best avenues to see what BU is all about.

Steve Borley has been an outstanding supporter of Cardiff and is consider the fan on the board. I just find it very strange how he has basically turned his back on the blue and comes over very red. Very strange.

Borley knows stuff we are not privy, too. There is a reason he has responded the way he has. He has proved himself CCFC through and through time and time again. I would trust him more than any other fan of the club.

Barry chuckle: bit hypocritical of you to tell bobbankbandit to read your posts properly before incorrectly accusing you of making statements you didnt make!! Wasnt that the very same thing you did with my post!? Incorrectly accusing me of making a statement(or two!!) i didn't make?only saying like!!

The Chuckmeister was owned in a thread yesterday and now he's trying to gain a smidge of credibility back.

Unfortunately for him he's failing badly yet again.

And my caveat is: "it's only my opinion to which I'm entitled"

He has been using the 'hypocrite' word all week, often completely out of context. I don't think it has been a very good week for him overall on the board!

I think you are quite right to believe that the trust is doing very little as I myself have not heard noises coming from them but.....Has the question been asked of them for their support in carrying forward a means to a resolution?
I also agree that BU are the only ones seemingly making a stand but can you honestly say that the BU stand is working? if so, then carry on supporting it and I hope you come to the result you require but I myself have resolutions about how it's progressed. I believe the intentions were correct and admirable but due to the way some of the BU have put their point accross it's alienated alot of fans and even driven some to turn the other way. Saying that.....I believe the actions of some of the red corner have done as much....if not more to cause this divide in some of their comments from the outset.
One spokesperson should have been at the helm of the BU and all others should have supported. Too many people have differing views in the case of the BU and they range from getting TAN out to Getting him to keep funding the Team and get nothing whatsoever in return.
I actually think Sian was a very good spokesperson for the BU and came accross as a very natural speaker with good intent but so many people have put her down that it's gonna be really difficult for her to be taken seriously en masse, Also I would say that many of her supporters have done her no justice by taking her message and turning it into extremism.
I do hope Sian continues however as I think she is the right person to take her message and deliver it in the right manner.

Respect should be given to her for what she is trying to achieve but they must also let "HER" carry the word in the peaceful manner in which she's trying to do.
As for Steve Borley making a gain from all this? I don't believe that for one moment as he is one of a dying breed who actualy is affiliated with our club. He's a fan and he's personally been responsible for pulling our club through some tough times. If anyone deserves to gain then I would say it was Steve Borley himself.

The trust have had a vote on the rebrand and it favoured a return to blue, no surprise there. I await their next step whatever that is but there has been some time between the vote and now but yet anything constructive has happened that I have heard of.

The aims of BU have been made clear from the leadership over the last month. That is difficult to believe if you rely on posting about BU from such media as forums like this. There has been a fair share of criticism on here from what I consider individuals trying to shit stir. BU hold meetings for people to attend and at present these are the best avenues to see what BU is all about.

Steve Borley has been an outstanding supporter of Cardiff and is consider the fan on the board. I just find it very strange how he has basically turned his back on the blue and comes over very red. Very strange.

Borley knows stuff we are not privy, too. There is a reason he has responded the way he has. He has proved himself CCFC through and through time and time again. I would trust him more than any other fan of the club.

The BU forgot the bouncy castle one again today?

Any confirmation of why it wasn't?

I am not trolling but expect it to be done at games?

We could do without piss takers yes ypu are trolling wind your neck in

The BU forgot the bouncy castle one again today?

Any confirmation of why it wasn't?

I am not trolling but expect it to be done at games?

We could do without piss takers yes ypu are trolling wind your neck in

Strictly casual for me, but there was a lot of red there today. I was sitting in the grandstand, and the prominent colour opposite, in the Ninian, was red. Honestly, that's how it looked to me. Make of that what you will.

Strictly casual for me, but there was a lot of red there today. I was sitting in the grandstand, and the prominent colour opposite, in the Ninian, was red. Honestly, that's how it looked to me. Make of that what you will.

Well I was in the Ninian and whilst there was a fair bit of red there, I didn't think it stood out so much!

It was hard to spot any colour other than red looking at the Grandstand though!

I'm there and it definitely is a sea of red.
Fans have accepted the rebranding.Fact.

True fans of the club will never accept the rebrand, teenager and glory hunters may but you can hardly call these muppets true fans

What a horrible thing to say! Why would you isolate a large portion of Cardiff's fan base because of the colour shirt they wear?

I assume by your comment including teenagers - that you are old. Surely you would encourage a new generation of supporters to the club? Just because people are not physically old enough to have supported city as long as you have doesn't mean you can dismiss them as fans?!?!?

You are angry about changing of cardiff's colours, fair enough your opinion. But new young supporters haven't experienced that history and are coming to a new club which is now red which is unfortunate, but hardly their fault.

If they are choosing to support Cardiff over other teams then they are true fans and many will continue to support them for as long as you have I'm sure.

RE:"plastics" 82 yr old been going to watch cardiff city for over 60 years is now regarded as a plastic cos he chose to wear a red top??never did i imagine that i would have tot be concerned for him at a "home" game! Some of the vitriol on here has me thinking.ffs cardiff city runs through his veins its all about choice.HIS!!!!

just like it's others choice to dislike the rebrand. You seem to be happy to tell others to wear red, but when people tell you to wear blue.. You get all upset.

Your reading isn't up to scratch? He is referring to comments from above calling people in red plastics and holding them in contempt! How the fck can you call a person supporting city 60yrs a plastic? & be in contempt of him? No mention of telling anyone what colour to wear, just said its a persons personal choice.

The BU forgot the bouncy castle one again today?

Any confirmation of why it wasn't?

I am not trolling but expect it to be done at games?

We could do without piss takers yes ypu are trolling wind your neck in

Can't ask a genuine question on here without getting labelled as a Troll. Just thinking they could boost popularity at games a lot more as people will turn up.

Just asking have they thought about it.

Barry chuckle: bit hypocritical of you to tell bobbankbandit to read your posts properly before incorrectly accusing you of making statements you didnt make!! Wasnt that the very same thing you did with my post!? Incorrectly accusing me of making a statement(or two!!) i didn't make?only saying like!!

To which I apologised immediately? Funny you don't mention that.

Barry chuckle: bit hypocritical of you to tell bobbankbandit to read your posts properly before incorrectly accusing you of making statements you didnt make!! Wasnt that the very same thing you did with my post!? Incorrectly accusing me of making a statement(or two!!) i didn't make?only saying like!!

The Chuckmeister was owned in a thread yesterday and now he's trying to gain a smidge of credibility back.

Unfortunately for him he's failing badly yet again.

And my caveat is: "it's only my opinion to which I'm entitled"

He has been using the 'hypocrite' word all week, often completely out of context. I don't think it has been a very good week for him overall on the board!

More lies from you.

Hardy surprising. Some fans want a new identity

What utter rubbish.

The BU forgot the bouncy castle one again today?

Any confirmation of why it wasn't?

I am not trolling but expect it to be done at games?

We could do without piss takers yes ypu are trolling wind your neck in

Can't ask a genuine question on here without getting labelled as a Troll. Just thinking they could boost popularity at games a lot more as people will turn up.

Just asking have they thought about it.

If you ask stupid questions, you'll get stupid answers. If you want to be taken seriously, stop trolling.

The BU forgot the bouncy castle one again today?

Any confirmation of why it wasn't?

I am not trolling but expect it to be done at games?

We could do without piss takers yes ypu are trolling wind your neck in

Can't ask a genuine question on here without getting labelled as a Troll. Just thinking they could boost popularity at games a lot more as people will turn up.

Just asking have they thought about it.

If you ask stupid questions, you'll get stupid answers. If you want to be taken seriously, stop trolling.

I weren't asking a stupid question on this one. I wasn't trolling this one.

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