Ashley Williams...

I'm out of this. Williams to me is nowhere near world class. A good and solid defender in the prem, but never a top 5 in the league player..

Makes too many errors for me too. Might be more solid for Swansea, still doesn't mean he doesn't make those errors though.

He rarely makes an error, statistically the best performing defender in the Premier League and is rightly the target of Champions League clubs as a result.

but you are entitled to your opinion.

Yet not even in the PL team of the year. Good player but limited and will not be a starting player for any CL side. As for being world class, I'd be interested in how many other jacks on here support this farcical view

williams has been class for us without a shadow of doubt strong defensively , good going forward a good passer of the ball , good reader of the game and very rarely injured but saying he is world class is stretching it a bit

I expect this topic has been done before but I'm interested in people's opinions of him as a footballer - put aside our rivalry with the back jastards for a moment...

The press reckon from time to time that the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal are interested in the guy, the Swans think the sun shines out of his arse and he's the Welsh captain.

I honestly don't rate him though - I think he's slow, ponderous and is so prone to making clumsy back passes and scoring own goals...

What on earth do people see in him?

Personally i think he's not the greatest defender by any means and certainly has the odd Titus Bramble moment in him too.

However, what makes him so important to Swansea is the way that any defence he plays in plays football from the back. He plays that role perfectly as he knows when to drop off at the perfect times and his distribution is very good. I think it's this that makes big teams such as Arsenal interested in him, the fact that his presence would instantly make them a better footballing side.

But as i say, I really don't think he's defensively a Premier League player, and would be a liability in most sides that don't control games and are on the back foot. He seems to lose concentration at times too.

Would i want him at Cardiff over Hudson or Turner, personally no. But that's largely to do with the style of football we play.

What titus bramble moment, i think he has made two mistakes in over 200 games for swansea.

One of you already mentioned that he made 2 mistakes last season, and I remember a few when you were in the Championship too, own goals/short backpasses etc. And i'm sure he's made a couple for Wales too.

As i say, just my opinion but i think he's a liability defensively, though does have good qualities too. I just wouldn't want him in my side, if i were a manager. I wouldn't trust him.

Two mistakes last season one against sunderland cant remember who the other one was against apart from that i can honestly say i cant remember him making a mistake or having a bad game the guy is pure class.

I expect this topic has been done before but I'm interested in people's opinions of him as a footballer - put aside our rivalry with the back jastards for a moment...

The press reckon from time to time that the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal are interested in the guy, the Swans think the sun shines out of his arse and he's the Welsh captain.

I honestly don't rate him though - I think he's slow, ponderous and is so prone to making clumsy back passes and scoring own goals...

What on earth do people see in him?

Personally i think he's not the greatest defender by any means and certainly has the odd Titus Bramble moment in him too.

However, what makes him so important to Swansea is the way that any defence he plays in plays football from the back. He plays that role perfectly as he knows when to drop off at the perfect times and his distribution is very good. I think it's this that makes big teams such as Arsenal interested in him, the fact that his presence would instantly make them a better footballing side.

But as i say, I really don't think he's defensively a Premier League player, and would be a liability in most sides that don't control games and are on the back foot. He seems to lose concentration at times too.

Would i want him at Cardiff over Hudson or Turner, personally no. But that's largely to do with the style of football we play.

What titus bramble moment, i think he has made two mistakes in over 200 games for swansea.

One of you already mentioned that he made 2 mistakes last season, and I remember a few when you were in the Championship too, own goals/short backpasses etc. And i'm sure he's made a couple for Wales too.

As i say, just my opinion but i think he's a liability defensively, though does have good qualities too. I just wouldn't want him in my side, if i were a manager. I wouldn't trust him.

that's why you're not a football manager

He rarely makes an error, statistically the best performing defender in the Premier League and is rightly the target of Champions League clubs as a result.

but you are entitled to your opinion.

He has made quite a few errors, costing his team goals in the process. he's not world class and is not the target of any champions league clubs, according to your chairman.

I'd say the interest from Arsenal was real, however, the other ones you've plucked from the air, I don't agree.

No doubt you'll post again, trying to force your opinion as fact.

He hasn't made quite a few errors, that's not an opinion that's fact.

ive already posted links regarding our rejected approach from Arsenal and Wolfsburg and also the source of the bid from Napoli. if you don't want to believe it that's fine.

I expect this topic has been done before but I'm interested in people's opinions of him as a footballer - put aside our rivalry with the back jastards for a moment...

The press reckon from time to time that the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal are interested in the guy, the Swans think the sun shines out of his arse and he's the Welsh captain.

I honestly don't rate him though - I think he's slow, ponderous and is so prone to making clumsy back passes and scoring own goals...

What on earth do people see in him?

Personally i think he's not the greatest defender by any means and certainly has the odd Titus Bramble moment in him too.

However, what makes him so important to Swansea is the way that any defence he plays in plays football from the back. He plays that role perfectly as he knows when to drop off at the perfect times and his distribution is very good. I think it's this that makes big teams such as Arsenal interested in him, the fact that his presence would instantly make them a better footballing side.

But as i say, I really don't think he's defensively a Premier League player, and would be a liability in most sides that don't control games and are on the back foot. He seems to lose concentration at times too.

Would i want him at Cardiff over Hudson or Turner, personally no. But that's largely to do with the style of football we play.

What titus bramble moment, i think he has made two mistakes in over 200 games for swansea.

One of you already mentioned that he made 2 mistakes last season, and I remember a few when you were in the Championship too, own goals/short backpasses etc. And i'm sure he's made a couple for Wales too.

As i say, just my opinion but i think he's a liability defensively, though does have good qualities too. I just wouldn't want him in my side, if i were a manager. I wouldn't trust him.

that's why you're not a football manager

No i'm not a football manager because i've never played the game professionally, taken my coaching badges, applied for any job or made any sort of attempt to become a manager.

I'm out of this. Williams to me is nowhere near world class. A good and solid defender in the prem, but never a top 5 in the league player..

Makes too many errors for me too. Might be more solid for Swansea, still doesn't mean he doesn't make those errors though.

He rarely makes an error, statistically the best performing defender in the Premier League and is rightly the target of Champions League clubs as a result.

but you are entitled to your opinion.

Yet not even in the PL team of the year. Good player but limited and will not be a starting player for any CL side. As for being world class, I'd be interested in how many other jacks on here support this farcical view

There are not many PL players that get the better of him

Whatever. Stating 2 mistakes in over 200 games is utter nonsense and I doubt there is any player that could claim that. Never conceded a goal when he's played for you, or has he been blameless for every one? No back passes gone astray? Not given the ball away or been out of position?

RM was a joke but you're taking it to an even more farcical level

You tell us, your the one claiming hes making lots of errors.

prove it.

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He hasn't made quite a few errors, that's not an opinion that's fact..

He HAS & that's fact.

More errors than Frank Sinclair, that lad. A few for Swansea over the years and a lot for Wales.

Can't argue those facts, though I have no doubt that you will try.

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He hasn't made quite a few errors, that's not an opinion that's fact..

He HAS & that's fact.

More errors than Frank Sinclair, that lad. A few for Swansea over the years and a lot for Wales.

Can't argue those facts, though I have no doubt that you will try.

How are they facts? do you have any stats to back this up or are you going down the Carpe Diem nonsense argument route?

I expect this topic has been done before but I'm interested in people's opinions of him as a footballer - put aside our rivalry with the back jastards for a moment...

The press reckon from time to time that the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal are interested in the guy, the Swans think the sun shines out of his arse and he's the Welsh captain.

I honestly don't rate him though - I think he's slow, ponderous and is so prone to making clumsy back passes and scoring own goals...

What on earth do people see in him?

Personally i think he's not the greatest defender by any means and certainly has the odd Titus Bramble moment in him too.

However, what makes him so important to Swansea is the way that any defence he plays in plays football from the back. He plays that role perfectly as he knows when to drop off at the perfect times and his distribution is very good. I think it's this that makes big teams such as Arsenal interested in him, the fact that his presence would instantly make them a better footballing side.

But as i say, I really don't think he's defensively a Premier League player, and would be a liability in most sides that don't control games and are on the back foot. He seems to lose concentration at times too.

Would i want him at Cardiff over Hudson or Turner, personally no. But that's largely to do with the style of football we play.

What titus bramble moment, i think he has made two mistakes in over 200 games for swansea.

One of you already mentioned that he made 2 mistakes last season, and I remember a few when you were in the Championship too, own goals/short backpasses etc. And i'm sure he's made a couple for Wales too.

As i say, just my opinion but i think he's a liability defensively, though does have good qualities too. I just wouldn't want him in my side, if i were a manager. I wouldn't trust him.

that's why you're not a football manager

No i'm not a football manager because i've never played the game professionally, taken my coaching badges, applied for any job or made any sort of attempt to become a manager.

all that doesn't matter , if you are saying you wouldn't take ashley williams if you were a manager because you didn't trust him you know f**k all about football

I'm out of this. Williams to me is nowhere near world class. A good and solid defender in the prem, but never a top 5 in the league player..

Makes too many errors for me too. Might be more solid for Swansea, still doesn't mean he doesn't make those errors though.

He rarely makes an error, statistically the best performing defender in the Premier League and is rightly the target of Champions League clubs as a result.

but you are entitled to your opinion.

Yet not even in the PL team of the year. Good player but limited and will not be a starting player for any CL side. As for being world class, I'd be interested in how many other jacks on here support this farcical view

There are not many PL players that get the better of him

Whatever. Stating 2 mistakes in over 200 games is utter nonsense and I doubt there is any player that could claim that. Never conceded a goal when he's played for you, or has he been blameless for every one? No back passes gone astray? Not given the ball away or been out of position?

RM was a joke but you're taking it to an even more farcical level

You belive what you want to belive. I said two games he made mistakes in, you tell me or any other swans fan on this forum or any one else for that matter what game or game's he has fu*ked up in for swansea, bet you can't

all that doesn't matter , if you are saying you wouldn't take ashley williams if you were a manager because you didn't trust him you know f**k all about football

In your opinion.

all that doesn't matter , if you are saying you wouldn't take ashley williams if you were a manager because you didn't trust him you know f**k all about football

In your opinion.

based on defensive stats from last season and watching him mark RVP , suarez , aguero etc , are you saying if williams was offered to cardiff you wouldn't want him ?

I'm out of this. Williams to me is nowhere near world class. A good and solid defender in the prem, but never a top 5 in the league player..

Makes too many errors for me too. Might be more solid for Swansea, still doesn't mean he doesn't make those errors though.

He rarely makes an error, statistically the best performing defender in the Premier League and is rightly the target of Champions League clubs as a result.

but you are entitled to your opinion.

Yet not even in the PL team of the year. Good player but limited and will not be a starting player for any CL side. As for being world class, I'd be interested in how many other jacks on here support this farcical view

There are not many PL players that get the better of him

Whatever. Stating 2 mistakes in over 200 games is utter nonsense and I doubt there is any player that could claim that. Never conceded a goal when he's played for you, or has he been blameless for every one? No back passes gone astray? Not given the ball away or been out of position?

RM was a joke but you're taking it to an even more farcical level

You belive what you want to belive. I said two games he made mistakes in, you tell me or any other swans fan on this forum or any one else for that matter what game or game's he has fu*ked up in for swansea, bet you can't

Think about what you're saying. How do you ever concede if he never makes a mistake? All players are human and make plenty of mistakes, even messi. It doesn't make them bad players. To claim he has only made 2 mistakes is utter nonsense.

all that doesn't matter , if you are saying you wouldn't take ashley williams if you were a manager because you didn't trust him you know f**k all about football

In your opinion.

based on defensive stats from last season and watching him mark RVP , suarez , aguero etc , are you saying if williams was offered to cardiff you wouldn't want him ?

Of course they wouldn't take him, they got hudson mun

all that doesn't matter , if you are saying you wouldn't take ashley williams if you were a manager because you didn't trust him you know f**k all about football

In your opinion.

based on defensive stats from last season and watching him mark RVP , suarez , aguero etc , are you saying if williams was offered to cardiff you wouldn't want him ?

Definitely not.

Stats mean nothing when he throws in clangers every now and then. Which is exactly why i said I couldn't trust him. WAY too error-prone.

Chico is far better than him, granted a cheating/diving typical Spanish drama queen.

carpe diem- I have told you he has made two mistakes, tell me what other games he has fu*ked up in

Think about what you're saying. How do you ever concede if he never makes a mistake? All players are human and make plenty of mistakes, even messi. It doesn't make them bad players. To claim he has only made 2 mistakes is utter nonsense.

What an incredibly ridiculous claim you are making?!

This is the Premier League now, the majority of the time nobody makes a mistake when a goal is scored. and certainly not Williams.

can you enlighten us as to his many many mistakes? as we can only think of 3 or 4 major ones in his career with us that lead to goals.

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The fact is Williams is not only a top premier league defender but is also ever present and has only missed about 4-5 matches in his whole time at the swans, none of those being injuries either we've just been resting him. This in itself is a huge asset and something the likes of Vidic, Terry, Vermaelan and Agger have suffered from over the years. Some of those players on your list are simply laughable I mean Hudson has been playing in the championship so you can't even begin to compare him yet. Other than maybe Michu I'd say he's our most valuable player and would walk into most prem sides IMO.

Simply don't rate the guy.

Clumsy, prone to an error, no pace at all.

He shouldn't be captain of Wales. I don't give a s**t if he loves playing for us, he took the easy option. Even if someone who played for Cardiff and played for Wales but weren't born there I would still boycott Wales.

Simply don't rate the guy.

Clumsy, prone to an error, no pace at all.

He shouldn't be captain of Wales. I don't give a s**t if he loves playing for us, he took the easy option. Even if someone who played for Cardiff and played for Wales but weren't born there I would still boycott Wales.

Wow

all that doesn't matter , if you are saying you wouldn't take ashley williams if you were a manager because you didn't trust him you know f**k all about football

In your opinion.

based on defensive stats from last season and watching him mark RVP , suarez , aguero etc , are you saying if williams was offered to cardiff you wouldn't want him ?

Definitely not.

Stats mean nothing when he throws in clangers every now and then. Which is exactly why i said I couldn't trust him. WAY too error-prone.

Chico is far better than him, granted a cheating/diving typical Spanish drama queen.

Chico is a very good player but how do you arrive at the conclusion he is better than williams, stop talking sh*te ffs

all that doesn't matter , if you are saying you wouldn't take ashley williams if you were a manager because you didn't trust him you know f**k all about football

In your opinion.

based on defensive stats from last season and watching him mark RVP , suarez , aguero etc , are you saying if williams was offered to cardiff you wouldn't want him ?

Definitely not.

Stats mean nothing when he throws in clangers every now and then. Which is exactly why i said I couldn't trust him. WAY too error-prone.

Chico is far better than him, granted a cheating/diving typical Spanish drama queen.

stats mean nothing

Noun
Statistic - A fact or piece of data from a study of a large quantity of numerical data:

you are a beauty fair play

carpe diem- I have told you he has made two mistakes, tell me what other games he has fu*ked up in

What you expect me to recall all your games?
You're the obsessed one on a rival forum remember?

But I don't need to watch every player to know they make mistakes, to think otherwise is totally deluded. Here's a quote from someone, I wonder if you can guess who said it:

"I've made mistakes before and it won't be my last. I have to get on with it.

"Personally you feel you've let the team down, but you don't do anyone any good by not getting on with things.

"You've got to pick your head up and get on with it. I've made enough mistakes, everyone knows I've made mistakes. It hurts, but you get your head up."

Here's the answer if you get stuck
http://m.thisissouthwales.co.uk/story.html?aid=16812774

Simply don't rate the guy.

Clumsy, prone to an error, no pace at all.

He shouldn't be captain of Wales. I don't give a s**t if he loves playing for us, he took the easy option. Even if someone who played for Cardiff and played for Wales but weren't born there I would still boycott Wales.

Wow

Stfu.

Simply don't rate the guy.

Clumsy, prone to an error, no pace at all.

He shouldn't be captain of Wales. I don't give a s**t if he loves playing for us, he took the easy option. Even if someone who played for Cardiff and played for Wales but weren't born there I would still boycott Wales.

Wow

Stfu.

Ashley is a good player, prone to a few errors (as the Jacks have confirmed by saying 3/4 in his Jacks career) for both Swansea and Wales (more so for Wales though).

He's a solid premiership defender, who isn't world class, but isn't crap either.

Ashley is a good player, prone to a few errors (as the Jacks have confirmed by saying 3/4 in his Jacks career) for both Swansea and Wales (more so for Wales though).

He's a solid premiership defender, who isn't world class, but isn't crap either.

Sense.

all that doesn't matter , if you are saying you wouldn't take ashley williams if you were a manager because you didn't trust him you know f**k all about football

In your opinion.

based on defensive stats from last season and watching him mark RVP , suarez , aguero etc , are you saying if williams was offered to cardiff you wouldn't want him ?

Definitely not.

Stats mean nothing when he throws in clangers every now and then. Which is exactly why i said I couldn't trust him. WAY too error-prone.

Chico is far better than him, granted a cheating/diving typical Spanish drama queen.

stats mean nothing

Noun
Statistic - A fact or piece of data from a study of a large quantity of numerical data:

you are a beauty fair play

Statistically, Jesus Navas scored 0 goals in La Liga last year and Man City have just paid tens of millions of pound for him. Does that stat make him a bad player?

Statistically, Benteke scored more league goals than Michu last season, Dzeko scored more goals than Aguero does that make them better players?

Adam Le Fondre scored the same amount as Rooney, does that make them equally good players?

I could come up with many more. Stats can be manipulated any way you want.

Error after error after error from Williams tells its own story. He can't be trusted by big teams.

Whenever I've seen him play for the Jacks, he's looked quality to me (apart from a couple of bloopers that every CB in the world is very occasionally prone to). Hudson has been superb for the past 2 seasons but is untested week in, week out against the quality that resides in the Prem' and he doesn't have the pace Williams possesses. I'd be happier if we were to start next season with a similar quality CB to Williams because, let's face it, we're going to need one!

all that doesn't matter , if you are saying you wouldn't take ashley williams if you were a manager because you didn't trust him you know f**k all about football

In your opinion.

based on defensive stats from last season and watching him mark RVP , suarez , aguero etc , are you saying if williams was offered to cardiff you wouldn't want him ?

Definitely not.

Stats mean nothing when he throws in clangers every now and then. Which is exactly why i said I couldn't trust him. WAY too error-prone.

Chico is far better than him, granted a cheating/diving typical Spanish drama queen.

stats mean nothing

Noun
Statistic - A fact or piece of data from a study of a large quantity of numerical data:

you are a beauty fair play

You have to admit they can be misleading though? Not talking specifically about Williams but in general?
I could pass the ball 10 times 2 yards and have a 100% completion rate, yet you could pass it 10 times inc 2 wonder balls that lead to goals yet give it away twice as have an 80% completion rate.
What player would you want in your team?