Channel4 to broadcast muslim call to prayer each morning.

This debate about religion.....
It's just guys arguing about who's imaginary friend is better...


That's all


Flip side is though,if it is made a Muslim country, one of our posters will have to change his name to Malky is Allah

this isnt a debate about religion is a fight about ignorance a tarring everybody in a particular group with the same brush and making general statements, the fact that this group is a religious group as purely academic

no islam has no place in the modern world its a barbaric and backward religon and i hope that this country wakes up soon and outlaw it ,you as a catholic should be ashamed of yourself for defending it

I think as a Catholic I will defend what I want to defend based on that fact and I have nothing to be ashamed of. I think the fact that you have to use my religion to try and persuade me to support your case is pathetic

"all none believers will burn in hell " says it all about the religion your defending

Let them have sharia law for themselves Stone flog and execute , they will soon change their minds.

This debate about religion.....
It's just guys arguing about who's imaginary friend is better...


That's all


Flip side is though,if it is made a Muslim country, one of our posters will have to change his name to Malky is Allah

this isnt a debate about religion is a fight about ignorance a tarring everybody in a particular group with the same brush and making general statements, the fact that this group is a religious group as purely academic

no islam has no place in the modern world its a barbaric and backward religon and i hope that this country wakes up soon and outlaw it ,you as a catholic should be ashamed of yourself for defending it

I think as a Catholic I will defend what I want to defend based on that fact and I have nothing to be ashamed of. I think the fact that you have to use my religion to try and persuade me to support your case is pathetic

"all none believers will burn in hell " says it all about the religion your defending

'But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will burn in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.' Revelations 21:8 not much difference to all non believers will burn in hell so why just pick on Islam

I'm back in my house in south west London for the week. Yesterday morning, around 4.00am a rather botched call to pray from the mosque at the bottom of the road was heard by my goodself. I thought I was dreaming but no, a load of them had parked cars, doors open, radio's or whatever full blast. In fairness the mosque has never used the PA sys, its an old cinema and does have a powerful one, just gets its followers to do it. I'm not sure which particular Islamic sect it is, the left wing one whatever they call themselves, total control of thoughts and lives. I'm still up, if they pull that stunt again this morning...

A very good friend of mine once told me that a true muslim doesn't need to be called to pray, it's in your heart.

Now f**k off back to CCMB with the rest of the sheep and spout your shite there.

This debate about religion.....
It's just guys arguing about who's imaginary friend is better...


That's all


Flip side is though,if it is made a Muslim country, one of our posters will have to change his name to Malky is Allah

this isnt a debate about religion is a fight about ignorance a tarring everybody in a particular group with the same brush and making general statements, the fact that this group is a religious group as purely academic

no islam has no place in the modern world its a barbaric and backward religon and i hope that this country wakes up soon and outlaw it ,you as a catholic should be ashamed of yourself for defending it

I think as a Catholic I will defend what I want to defend based on that fact and I have nothing to be ashamed of. I think the fact that you have to use my religion to try and persuade me to support your case is pathetic

"all none believers will burn in hell " says it all about the religion your defending

'But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will burn in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.' Revelations 21:8 not much difference to all non believers will burn in hell so why just pick on Islam

I think what Wes was alluding to (as you well know) is the fact that whenever a debate starts on TV with the lunatics they tell the kaffir he will burn in hell. Whenever there is a march, there are numerous banners saying "burn in hellfire".... The Bible has just as much BOLLOCKS in it as the Koran, but Christianity evolved. Christians use the Bible as a guide book, not a rule book. Yes
there are the odd crazy Christian groups like the Westboro Baptist Church but they are roundly attacked by their Christian neighbours for their obscene views. Now put up a You Tube video of radical Muslims being attacked by moderate muslims.......

You carry on defending the indefensible though lad, keep standing up for Islam the way they stand up for you

I pity you. You want the World to be this utopian dream where we all hold hands and walk down a rose petal strewn path, then split up to go to our various places of worship. Every now and then we switch, change, go see whats happening in the other guys
place. "oh thats interesting, never thought of that"...Do you know what, im going to change religion and come with you from now on as it all seems more relevant to my life.''......

Ooooops, Sorry, EPIC FAIL....

You are an apostate. You have betrayed Allah (peace be a pipe dream) execute execute execute

I hope this is true.

God doesn't exist.

He is an imaginary character.

Heaven and Hell are about as real as Swanseas chances of wining a cup that actually matters.

The Vatican has so much wealth it could save so many lives and improve others lifestyles but they're far to busy drinking from their golden goblets to do anything about it.
They've harboured criminals and sexual predators for hundreds of years.


That's one angle of my view on the Roman Catholic Church.

God doesn't exist.

He is an imaginary character.

Heaven and Hell are about as real as Swanseas chances of wining a cup that actually matters.

The Vatican has so much wealth it could save so many lives and improve others lifestyles but they're far to busy drinking from their golden goblets to do anything about it.
They've harboured criminals and sexual predators for hundreds of years.


That's one angle of my view on the Roman Catholic Church.

Thats a very accurate view. But the Catholic Church is constantly hammered over it nowadays. Lawsuits. Press/media you name it
....Nobody can criticise Islam though

The Holy Bible has had piss take films over its content for years. Comedy sketches, stand-up routines
...Nobody can criticise the Koran though.

[quote="JONNY012697"

this isnt a debate about religion is a fight about ignorance a tarring everybody in a particular group with the same brush and making general statements, the fact that this group is a religious group as purely academic

no islam has no place in the modern world its a barbaric and backward religon and i hope that this country wakes up soon and outlaw it ,you as a catholic should be ashamed of yourself for defending it

I think as a Catholic I will defend what I want to defend based on that fact and I have nothing to be ashamed of. I think the fact that you have to use my religion to try and persuade me to support your case is pathetic

"all none believers will burn in hell " says it all about the religion your defending

'But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will burn in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.' Revelations 21:8 not much difference to all non believers will burn in hell so why just pick on Islam

I think what Wes was alluding to (as you well know) is the fact that whenever a debate starts on TV with the lunatics they tell the kaffir he will burn in hell. Whenever there is a march, there are numerous banners saying "burn in hellfire".... The Bible has just as much BOLLOCKS in it as the Koran, but Christianity evolved. Christians use the Bible as a guide book, not a rule book. Yes
there are the odd crazy Christian groups like the Westboro Baptist Church but they are roundly attacked by their Christian neighbours for their obscene views. Now put up a You Tube video of radical Muslims being attacked by moderate muslims.......

You carry on defending the indefensible though lad, keep standing up for Islam the way they stand up for you

I pity you. You want the World to be this utopian dream where we all hold hands and walk down a rose petal strewn path, then split up to go to our various places of worship. Every now and then we switch, change, go see whats happening in the other guys
place. "oh thats interesting, never thought of that"...Do you know what, im going to change religion and come with you from now on as it all seems more relevant to my life.''......

Ooooops, Sorry, EPIC FAIL....

You are an apostate. You have betrayed Allah (peace be a pipe dream) execute execute execute[/quote]

Im far from wishing a eutopian world, cant say it wouldnt be nice though.

Dont for any stretch of your imagination think im soft its rather hard holding my views, it would be a lot easier to have your beliefs and call all muslims scum and blame Islam for everything.

One thing im not prejudiced I dont blame everyone for a minority.

Yes maybe innocent muslims should speak out more but we do have the police who is supposed to do this for you, also we do live in a democratic society and whether we like the opinions of others they have a right to voice their opinion.

The radicals are very clever people the same as the leaders of the EDL trying to convince everyone they are right when they are wrong and can be very convincing.

God doesn't exist.

He is an imaginary character.

Heaven and Hell are about as real as Swanseas chances of wining a cup that actually matters.

The Vatican has so much wealth it could save so many lives and improve others lifestyles but they're far to busy drinking from their golden goblets to do anything about it.
They've harboured criminals and sexual predators for hundreds of years.


That's one angle of my view on the Roman Catholic Church.

Thats a very accurate view. But the Catholic Church is constantly hammered over it nowadays. Lawsuits. Press/media you name it
....Nobody can criticise Islam though

The Holy Bible has had piss take films over its content for years. Comedy sketches, stand-up routines
...Nobody can criticise the Koran though.

whats accurate about it?

thats a blatant ignorant attack on my church

no the vatican isnt perfect and it has problems

but dont think for a second that it doesnt do any good in the world, it does save lives and is more effective than most governments

yes the church has had problems pedophiles but you are far more likely to be raped by a family member than a catholic priest and the church is dealing with it unfortunately with the modern press nothing is ever good enough and everything gets aimed at the Pope and in fairness when schools stop employing pedophiles and youth centers and this country has dealt with its pedophile problem then you can be in a better position to criticise the catholic church.

Im far from wishing a eutopian world, cant say it wouldnt be nice though.

Dont for any stretch of your imagination think im soft its rather hard holding my views, it would be a lot easier to have your beliefs and call all muslims scum and blame Islam for everything.

One thing im not prejudiced I dont blame everyone for a minority.

Yes maybe innocent muslims should speak out more but we do have the police who is supposed to do this for you, also we do live in a democratic society and whether we like the opinions of others they have a right to voice their opinion.

The radicals are very clever people the same as the leaders of the EDL trying to convince everyone they are right when they are wrong and can be very convincing.[/quote]

Ive never called all muslims scum. THAT would be pretty ''racist'' and misguided. I am saying that the religion itself is a revolting doctrine that suffocates freedom of thought. That is a system of beliefs totally foreign to the British way of Life. Muslims came here to escape it all, but are so wrapped up in the musings of a 5th century paedophile that they STILL get dragged back in. But your view is blinkered yet again. The EDL do NOT have a right to their views, or to voice their opinion. They were immediately branded as racist, even though initially they only stood against the hate preachers. From that moment on they were doomed. The British Public were at their throats. All it takes is ONE crafty UAF member to slip in, do a Nazi salute and thats it, finite, done. The EDL are fucked. No chance of holding meetings or marches because counter marches (instigated by government funding) by the UAF give the Police the perfect excuse to say "likely to cause a breach of the peace - your not marching" Can you not see that???...... no such efforts are made to curtail Muslim extremist marches or demonstrations or protests. can you answer me why?

Do you believe if 30-40 more aggressive Christian types decided to buy a few loudspeakers and held a sing song of all Jesus and Moses songs outside Finsbury Park mosque that it would be allowed to happen by the Police? serious answer please

Im far from wishing a eutopian world, cant say it wouldnt be nice though.

Dont for any stretch of your imagination think im soft its rather hard holding my views, it would be a lot easier to have your beliefs and call all muslims scum and blame Islam for everything.

One thing im not prejudiced I dont blame everyone for a minority.

Yes maybe innocent muslims should speak out more but we do have the police who is supposed to do this for you, also we do live in a democratic society and whether we like the opinions of others they have a right to voice their opinion.

The radicals are very clever people the same as the leaders of the EDL trying to convince everyone they are right when they are wrong and can be very convincing.

Ive never called all muslims scum. THAT would be pretty ''racist'' and misguided. I am saying that the religion itself is a revolting doctrine that suffocates freedom of thought. That is a system of beliefs totally foreign to the British way of Life. Muslims came here to escape it all, but are so wrapped up in the musings of a 5th century paedophile that they STILL get dragged back in. But your view is blinkered yet again. The EDL do NOT have a right to their views, or to voice their opinion. They were immediately branded as racist, even though initially they only stood against the hate preachers. From that moment on they were doomed. The British Public were at their throats. All it takes is ONE crafty UAF member to slip in, do a Nazi salute and thats it, finite, done. The EDL are fucked. No chance of holding meetings or marches because counter marches (instigated by government funding) by the UAF give the Police the perfect excuse to say "likely to cause a breach of the peace - your not marching" Can you not see that???...... no such efforts are made to curtail Muslim extremist marches or demonstrations or protests. can you answer me why?

Do you believe if 30-40 more aggressive Christian types decided to buy a few loudspeakers and held a sing song of all Jesus and Moses songs outside Finsbury Park mosque that it would be allowed to happen by the Police? serious answer please[/quote]

now your first paragraph is probably the most paranoid thing ive ever heard

if Tommy Robinson or whatever he chooses to call himself these days learnt to stick to agreed routes, not attack the police whilst on a march, chanting idiotic unrelated nonsense like blaming the pakistani community for something two nigerians did. Oh no wait its never the EDL's fault there group has been infiltrated.

now when I see muslim protests other than what they chant they do tend to stick to roots they dont chuck things they arent drunk and despite chanting british police go to hell they dont feel the need to attack the police who escort them.

the problems with the EDL is they cannot control their ranks the muslims can.

As for your question with regards to finsbury park mosque I cant say ive never been to finsbury park. For my own personal experience I have shared my religion with muslims. I have attended joint activities with multi-faiths and to be fair the muslim community is an impressive sight compared to the christian society of multiple denominations, which considering ive listened to people say we are a christian country I would say this country fails spectacularly.

God doesn't exist.

He is an imaginary character.

Heaven and Hell are about as real as Swanseas chances of wining a cup that actually matters.

The Vatican has so much wealth it could save so many lives and improve others lifestyles but they're far to busy drinking from their golden goblets to do anything about it.
They've harboured criminals and sexual predators for hundreds of years.


That's one angle of my view on the Roman Catholic Church.

Thats a very accurate view. But the Catholic Church is constantly hammered over it nowadays. Lawsuits. Press/media you name it
....Nobody can criticise Islam though

The Holy Bible has had piss take films over its content for years. Comedy sketches, stand-up routines
...Nobody can criticise the Koran though.

whats accurate about it?

thats a blatant ignorant attack on my church

no the vatican isnt perfect and it has problems

but dont think for a second that it doesnt do any good in the world, it does save lives and is more effective than most governments

yes the church has had problems pedophiles but you are far more likely to be raped by a family member than a catholic priest and the church is dealing with it unfortunately with the modern press nothing is ever good enough and everything gets aimed at the Pope and in fairness when schools stop employing pedophiles and youth centers and this country has dealt with its pedophile problem then you can be in a better position to criticise the catholic church.

1. It's not a blatant attack, its a persons point of you.(if you are annoyed or angered by it and feel some form of hatred then you can of course "Forgive them").
2.Show me an example of a church or religion saving a life, because I can show you lots of example's of innocent people losing their lives based on a religious belief.
3.You say it's not accurate,but your beliefs are based on a faith that is founded by rumours and inaccurate stories told or written by MAN, with no Accurate legitimate evidence.
4. I can say this with conviction on the whole matter because I was eductated in Roman Catholic schools and parish's therefore I reserve the right to have an opinion on the current matter.

Im far from wishing a eutopian world, cant say it wouldnt be nice though.

Dont for any stretch of your imagination think im soft its rather hard holding my views, it would be a lot easier to have your beliefs and call all muslims scum and blame Islam for everything.

One thing im not prejudiced I dont blame everyone for a minority.

Yes maybe innocent muslims should speak out more but we do have the police who is supposed to do this for you, also we do live in a democratic society and whether we like the opinions of others they have a right to voice their opinion.

The radicals are very clever people the same as the leaders of the EDL trying to convince everyone they are right when they are wrong and can be very convincing.

Ive never called all muslims scum. THAT would be pretty ''racist'' and misguided. I am saying that the religion itself is a revolting doctrine that suffocates freedom of thought. That is a system of beliefs totally foreign to the British way of Life. Muslims came here to escape it all, but are so wrapped up in the musings of a 5th century paedophile that they STILL get dragged back in. But your view is blinkered yet again. The EDL do NOT have a right to their views, or to voice their opinion. They were immediately branded as racist, even though initially they only stood against the hate preachers. From that moment on they were doomed. The British Public were at their throats. All it takes is ONE crafty UAF member to slip in, do a Nazi salute and thats it, finite, done. The EDL are fucked. No chance of holding meetings or marches because counter marches (instigated by government funding) by the UAF give the Police the perfect excuse to say "likely to cause a breach of the peace - your not marching" Can you not see that???...... no such efforts are made to curtail Muslim extremist marches or demonstrations or protests. can you answer me why?

Do you believe if 30-40 more aggressive Christian types decided to buy a few loudspeakers and held a sing song of all Jesus and Moses songs outside Finsbury Park mosque that it would be allowed to happen by the Police? serious answer please

now your first paragraph is probably the most paranoid thing ive ever heard

if Tommy Robinson or whatever he chooses to call himself these days learnt to stick to agreed routes, not attack the police whilst on a march, chanting idiotic unrelated nonsense like blaming the pakistani community for something two nigerians did. Oh no wait its never the EDL's fault there group has been infiltrated.

now when I see muslim protests other than what they chant they do tend to stick to roots they dont chuck things they arent drunk and despite chanting british police go to hell they dont feel the need to attack the police who escort them.

the problems with the EDL is they cannot control their ranks the muslims can.

As for your question with regards to finsbury park mosque I cant say ive never been to finsbury park. For my own personal experience I have shared my religion with muslims. I have attended joint activities with multi-faiths and to be fair the muslim community is an impressive sight compared to the christian society of multiple denominations, which considering ive listened to people say we are a christian country I would say this country fails spectacularly.[/quote]

you dont half talk some shit. What the f**k you on about ''christian society of multiple denominations?" Islam has Sunni/Shi'ite/Ahmadi and guess what...... they murder each other by the thousands. Catholic v Protestant in Northern
Ireland cannot hold a candle up to the mass murder and brutality you friendly communitys dish out to each other.
I bet you've attended f**k all you bullshitter. This country fails spectacularly does it?? I dont see Pakistan or Iraq or
Saudi opening its arms up and saying "if you are persecuted, come and live here" and if your suggesting Islamic countries
treat Christians as well as Christian countries treat Muslims... pop to Saudi and visit mecca theyd love to share
their culture with you. or perhaps go try build a Christian Church in Islamabad. I dont know if your a troll or just the most
naive fucker ive ever come across.

Im far from wishing a eutopian world, cant say it wouldnt be nice though.

Dont for any stretch of your imagination think im soft its rather hard holding my views, it would be a lot easier to have your beliefs and call all muslims scum and blame Islam for everything.

One thing im not prejudiced I dont blame everyone for a minority.

Yes maybe innocent muslims should speak out more but we do have the police who is supposed to do this for you, also we do live in a democratic society and whether we like the opinions of others they have a right to voice their opinion.

The radicals are very clever people the same as the leaders of the EDL trying to convince everyone they are right when they are wrong and can be very convincing.

Ive never called all muslims scum. THAT would be pretty ''racist'' and misguided. I am saying that the religion itself is a revolting doctrine that suffocates freedom of thought. That is a system of beliefs totally foreign to the British way of Life. Muslims came here to escape it all, but are so wrapped up in the musings of a 5th century paedophile that they STILL get dragged back in. But your view is blinkered yet again. The EDL do NOT have a right to their views, or to voice their opinion. They were immediately branded as racist, even though initially they only stood against the hate preachers. From that moment on they were doomed. The British Public were at their throats. All it takes is ONE crafty UAF member to slip in, do a Nazi salute and thats it, finite, done. The EDL are fucked. No chance of holding meetings or marches because counter marches (instigated by government funding) by the UAF give the Police the perfect excuse to say "likely to cause a breach of the peace - your not marching" Can you not see that???...... no such efforts are made to curtail Muslim extremist marches or demonstrations or protests. can you answer me why?

Do you believe if 30-40 more aggressive Christian types decided to buy a few loudspeakers and held a sing song of all Jesus and Moses songs outside Finsbury Park mosque that it would be allowed to happen by the Police? serious answer please

now your first paragraph is probably the most paranoid thing ive ever heard

if Tommy Robinson or whatever he chooses to call himself these days learnt to stick to agreed routes, not attack the police whilst on a march, chanting idiotic unrelated nonsense like blaming the pakistani community for something two nigerians did. Oh no wait its never the EDL's fault there group has been infiltrated.

now when I see muslim protests other than what they chant they do tend to stick to roots they dont chuck things they arent drunk and despite chanting british police go to hell they dont feel the need to attack the police who escort them.

the problems with the EDL is they cannot control their ranks the muslims can.

As for your question with regards to finsbury park mosque I cant say ive never been to finsbury park. For my own personal experience I have shared my religion with muslims. I have attended joint activities with multi-faiths and to be fair the muslim community is an impressive sight compared to the christian society of multiple denominations, which considering ive listened to people say we are a christian country I would say this country fails spectacularly.

you dont half talk some shit. What the f**k you on about ''christian society of multiple denominations?" Islam has Sunni/Shi'ite/Ahmadi and guess what...... they murder each other by the thousands. Catholic v Protestant in Northern
Ireland cannot hold a candle up to the mass murder and brutality you friendly communitys dish out to each other.
I bet you've attended f**k all you bullshitter. This country fails spectacularly does it?? I dont see Pakistan or Iraq or
Saudi opening its arms up and saying "if you are persecuted, come and live here" and if your suggesting Islamic countries
treat Christians as well as Christian countries treat Muslims... pop to Saudi and visit mecca theyd love to share
their culture with you. or perhaps go try build a Christian Church in Islamabad. I dont know if your a troll or just the most
naive fucker ive ever come across.[/quote] .....^^^^^^^^^^ THIS

God doesn't exist.

He is an imaginary character.

Heaven and Hell are about as real as Swanseas chances of wining a cup that actually matters.

The Vatican has so much wealth it could save so many lives and improve others lifestyles but they're far to busy drinking from their golden goblets to do anything about it.
They've harboured criminals and sexual predators for hundreds of years.


That's one angle of my view on the Roman Catholic Church.

Thats a very accurate view. But the Catholic Church is constantly hammered over it nowadays. Lawsuits. Press/media you name it
....Nobody can criticise Islam though

The Holy Bible has had piss take films over its content for years. Comedy sketches, stand-up routines
...Nobody can criticise the Koran though.

whats accurate about it?

thats a blatant ignorant attack on my church

no the vatican isnt perfect and it has problems

but dont think for a second that it doesnt do any good in the world, it does save lives and is more effective than most governments

yes the church has had problems pedophiles but you are far more likely to be raped by a family member than a catholic priest and the church is dealing with it unfortunately with the modern press nothing is ever good enough and everything gets aimed at the Pope and in fairness when schools stop employing pedophiles and youth centers and this country has dealt with its pedophile problem then you can be in a better position to criticise the catholic church.

1. It's not a blatant attack, its a persons point of you.(if you are annoyed or angered by it and feel some form of hatred then you can of course "Forgive them").
2.Show me an example of a church or religion saving a life, because I can show you lots of example's of innocent people losing their lives based on a religious belief.
3.You say it's not accurate,but your beliefs are based on a faith that is founded by rumours and inaccurate stories told or written by MAN, with no Accurate legitimate evidence.
4. I can say this with conviction on the whole matter because I was eductated in Roman Catholic schools and parish's therefore I reserve the right to have an opinion on the current matter.

1 a persons point of view and what is fact are two different things and your brackets quote really not helping your situation.

2 plenty of catholic charities and the church working directly with poor communities FACT

3 thats opinion you are entitled to that view

4 congratulations you went to school doesnt make you any way more knowledgeable than people currently practicing Catholicism

Im far from wishing a eutopian world, cant say it wouldnt be nice though.

Dont for any stretch of your imagination think im soft its rather hard holding my views, it would be a lot easier to have your beliefs and call all muslims scum and blame Islam for everything.

One thing im not prejudiced I dont blame everyone for a minority.

Yes maybe innocent muslims should speak out more but we do have the police who is supposed to do this for you, also we do live in a democratic society and whether we like the opinions of others they have a right to voice their opinion.

The radicals are very clever people the same as the leaders of the EDL trying to convince everyone they are right when they are wrong and can be very convincing.

Ive never called all muslims scum. THAT would be pretty ''racist'' and misguided. I am saying that the religion itself is a revolting doctrine that suffocates freedom of thought. That is a system of beliefs totally foreign to the British way of Life. Muslims came here to escape it all, but are so wrapped up in the musings of a 5th century paedophile that they STILL get dragged back in. But your view is blinkered yet again. The EDL do NOT have a right to their views, or to voice their opinion. They were immediately branded as racist, even though initially they only stood against the hate preachers. From that moment on they were doomed. The British Public were at their throats. All it takes is ONE crafty UAF member to slip in, do a Nazi salute and thats it, finite, done. The EDL are fucked. No chance of holding meetings or marches because counter marches (instigated by government funding) by the UAF give the Police the perfect excuse to say "likely to cause a breach of the peace - your not marching" Can you not see that???...... no such efforts are made to curtail Muslim extremist marches or demonstrations or protests. can you answer me why?

Do you believe if 30-40 more aggressive Christian types decided to buy a few loudspeakers and held a sing song of all Jesus and Moses songs outside Finsbury Park mosque that it would be allowed to happen by the Police? serious answer please

now your first paragraph is probably the most paranoid thing ive ever heard

if Tommy Robinson or whatever he chooses to call himself these days learnt to stick to agreed routes, not attack the police whilst on a march, chanting idiotic unrelated nonsense like blaming the pakistani community for something two nigerians did. Oh no wait its never the EDL's fault there group has been infiltrated.

now when I see muslim protests other than what they chant they do tend to stick to roots they dont chuck things they arent drunk and despite chanting british police go to hell they dont feel the need to attack the police who escort them.

the problems with the EDL is they cannot control their ranks the muslims can.

As for your question with regards to finsbury park mosque I cant say ive never been to finsbury park. For my own personal experience I have shared my religion with muslims. I have attended joint activities with multi-faiths and to be fair the muslim community is an impressive sight compared to the christian society of multiple denominations, which considering ive listened to people say we are a christian country I would say this country fails spectacularly.

you dont half talk some shit. What the f**k you on about ''christian society of multiple denominations?" Islam has Sunni/Shi'ite/Ahmadi and guess what...... they murder each other by the thousands. Catholic v Protestant in Northern
Ireland cannot hold a candle up to the mass murder and brutality you friendly communitys dish out to each other.
I bet you've attended f**k all you bullshitter. This country fails spectacularly does it?? I dont see Pakistan or Iraq or
Saudi opening its arms up and saying "if you are persecuted, come and live here" and if your suggesting Islamic countries
treat Christians as well as Christian countries treat Muslims... pop to Saudi and visit mecca theyd love to share
their culture with you. or perhaps go try build a Christian Church in Islamabad. I dont know if your a troll or just the most
naive fucker ive ever come across.

.....^^^^^^^^^^ THIS[/quote]

we do have different denominations much the same as many religions

so northern ireland was all about religion was it really? you might want to check history religion was used but independence.

what ive attended is none of your business dont call me a bullshitter with no proof

yes as a christian society this country does fail when was the last time you went to church (oh i suppose you attend a synagogue care to give a jewish opinion)

I dont really care what happens in other countries im concerned with this country the one I live in funnily enough and its getting boring really people saying muslims cant practice their religion because of what other countries do. Why dont we start looking at ourselves at the troubles weve caused in the middle east attacking countries for no real reason, using countries to fight our secret wars and leaving them in rubble when weve finished and you wonder why they are slightly annoyed?

Im not naive or a troll im a realist. Attacking a community isnt going to make things any better just makes things a whole lot worse but I suppose it makes you feel good and thats your prerogative

Im far from wishing a eutopian world, cant say it wouldnt be nice though.

Dont for any stretch of your imagination think im soft its rather hard holding my views, it would be a lot easier to have your beliefs and call all muslims scum and blame Islam for everything.

One thing im not prejudiced I dont blame everyone for a minority.

Yes maybe innocent muslims should speak out more but we do have the police who is supposed to do this for you, also we do live in a democratic society and whether we like the opinions of others they have a right to voice their opinion.

The radicals are very clever people the same as the leaders of the EDL trying to convince everyone they are right when they are wrong and can be very convincing.

Ive never called all muslims scum. THAT would be pretty ''racist'' and misguided. I am saying that the religion itself is a revolting doctrine that suffocates freedom of thought. That is a system of beliefs totally foreign to the British way of Life. Muslims came here to escape it all, but are so wrapped up in the musings of a 5th century paedophile that they STILL get dragged back in. But your view is blinkered yet again. The EDL do NOT have a right to their views, or to voice their opinion. They were immediately branded as racist, even though initially they only stood against the hate preachers. From that moment on they were doomed. The British Public were at their throats. All it takes is ONE crafty UAF member to slip in, do a Nazi salute and thats it, finite, done. The EDL are fucked. No chance of holding meetings or marches because counter marches (instigated by government funding) by the UAF give the Police the perfect excuse to say "likely to cause a breach of the peace - your not marching" Can you not see that???...... no such efforts are made to curtail Muslim extremist marches or demonstrations or protests. can you answer me why?

Do you believe if 30-40 more aggressive Christian types decided to buy a few loudspeakers and held a sing song of all Jesus and Moses songs outside Finsbury Park mosque that it would be allowed to happen by the Police? serious answer please

now your first paragraph is probably the most paranoid thing ive ever heard

if Tommy Robinson or whatever he chooses to call himself these days learnt to stick to agreed routes, not attack the police whilst on a march, chanting idiotic unrelated nonsense like blaming the pakistani community for something two nigerians did. Oh no wait its never the EDL's fault there group has been infiltrated.

now when I see muslim protests other than what they chant they do tend to stick to roots they dont chuck things they arent drunk and despite chanting british police go to hell they dont feel the need to attack the police who escort them.

the problems with the EDL is they cannot control their ranks the muslims can.

As for your question with regards to finsbury park mosque I cant say ive never been to finsbury park. For my own personal experience I have shared my religion with muslims. I have attended joint activities with multi-faiths and to be fair the muslim community is an impressive sight compared to the christian society of multiple denominations, which considering ive listened to people say we are a christian country I would say this country fails spectacularly.

you dont half talk some shit. What the f**k you on about ''christian society of multiple denominations?" Islam has Sunni/Shi'ite/Ahmadi and guess what...... they murder each other by the thousands. Catholic v Protestant in Northern
Ireland cannot hold a candle up to the mass murder and brutality you friendly communitys dish out to each other.
I bet you've attended f**k all you bullshitter. This country fails spectacularly does it?? I dont see Pakistan or Iraq or
Saudi opening its arms up and saying "if you are persecuted, come and live here" and if your suggesting Islamic countries
treat Christians as well as Christian countries treat Muslims... pop to Saudi and visit mecca theyd love to share
their culture with you. or perhaps go try build a Christian Church in Islamabad. I dont know if your a troll or just the most
naive fucker ive ever come across.

.....^^^^^^^^^^ THIS

we do have different denominations much the same as many religions

so northern ireland was all about religion was it really? you might want to check history religion was used but independence.

what ive attended is none of your business dont call me a bullshitter with no proof

yes as a christian society this country does fail when was the last time you went to church (oh i suppose you attend a synagogue care to give a jewish opinion)

I dont really care what happens in other countries im concerned with this country the one I live in funnily enough and its getting boring really people saying muslims cant practice their religion because of what other countries do. Why dont we start looking at ourselves at the troubles weve caused in the middle east attacking countries for no real reason, using countries to fight our secret wars and leaving them in rubble when weve finished and you wonder why they are slightly annoyed?

Im not naive or a troll im a realist. Attacking a community isnt going to make things any better just makes things a whole lot worse but I suppose it makes you feel good and thats your prerogative[/quote]

you skirt round things very prettily. I'll ask again. Two simple questions.

1) why do you think the Muslims felt the need to have a call to prayer right outside Westminster Abbey, with loudspeakers
and all the trimmings. Do you feel that was an attempt at integration or provocation? Bearing in mind of course, you have already clearly stated that for the EDL to just walk past a mosque it would be deliberately provocative

2) Do you believe the police would allow a group of Christians to mirror that and do the same at a large important Mosque in
Britain. if not, why not

Im far from wishing a eutopian world, cant say it wouldnt be nice though.

Dont for any stretch of your imagination think im soft its rather hard holding my views, it would be a lot easier to have your beliefs and call all muslims scum and blame Islam for everything.

One thing im not prejudiced I dont blame everyone for a minority.

Yes maybe innocent muslims should speak out more but we do have the police who is supposed to do this for you, also we do live in a democratic society and whether we like the opinions of others they have a right to voice their opinion.

The radicals are very clever people the same as the leaders of the EDL trying to convince everyone they are right when they are wrong and can be very convincing.

Ive never called all muslims scum. THAT would be pretty ''racist'' and misguided. I am saying that the religion itself is a revolting doctrine that suffocates freedom of thought. That is a system of beliefs totally foreign to the British way of Life. Muslims came here to escape it all, but are so wrapped up in the musings of a 5th century paedophile that they STILL get dragged back in. But your view is blinkered yet again. The EDL do NOT have a right to their views, or to voice their opinion. They were immediately branded as racist, even though initially they only stood against the hate preachers. From that moment on they were doomed. The British Public were at their throats. All it takes is ONE crafty UAF member to slip in, do a Nazi salute and thats it, finite, done. The EDL are fucked. No chance of holding meetings or marches because counter marches (instigated by government funding) by the UAF give the Police the perfect excuse to say "likely to cause a breach of the peace - your not marching" Can you not see that???...... no such efforts are made to curtail Muslim extremist marches or demonstrations or protests. can you answer me why?

Do you believe if 30-40 more aggressive Christian types decided to buy a few loudspeakers and held a sing song of all Jesus and Moses songs outside Finsbury Park mosque that it would be allowed to happen by the Police? serious answer please

now your first paragraph is probably the most paranoid thing ive ever heard

if Tommy Robinson or whatever he chooses to call himself these days learnt to stick to agreed routes, not attack the police whilst on a march, chanting idiotic unrelated nonsense like blaming the pakistani community for something two nigerians did. Oh no wait its never the EDL's fault there group has been infiltrated.

now when I see muslim protests other than what they chant they do tend to stick to roots they dont chuck things they arent drunk and despite chanting british police go to hell they dont feel the need to attack the police who escort them.

the problems with the EDL is they cannot control their ranks the muslims can.

As for your question with regards to finsbury park mosque I cant say ive never been to finsbury park. For my own personal experience I have shared my religion with muslims. I have attended joint activities with multi-faiths and to be fair the muslim community is an impressive sight compared to the christian society of multiple denominations, which considering ive listened to people say we are a christian country I would say this country fails spectacularly.

you dont half talk some shit. What the f**k you on about ''christian society of multiple denominations?" Islam has Sunni/Shi'ite/Ahmadi and guess what...... they murder each other by the thousands. Catholic v Protestant in Northern
Ireland cannot hold a candle up to the mass murder and brutality you friendly communitys dish out to each other.
I bet you've attended f**k all you bullshitter. This country fails spectacularly does it?? I dont see Pakistan or Iraq or
Saudi opening its arms up and saying "if you are persecuted, come and live here" and if your suggesting Islamic countries
treat Christians as well as Christian countries treat Muslims... pop to Saudi and visit mecca theyd love to share
their culture with you. or perhaps go try build a Christian Church in Islamabad. I dont know if your a troll or just the most
naive fucker ive ever come across.

.....^^^^^^^^^^ THIS

we do have different denominations much the same as many religions

so northern ireland was all about religion was it really? you might want to check history religion was used but independence.

what ive attended is none of your business dont call me a bullshitter with no proof

yes as a christian society this country does fail when was the last time you went to church (oh i suppose you attend a synagogue care to give a jewish opinion)

I dont really care what happens in other countries im concerned with this country the one I live in funnily enough and its getting boring really people saying muslims cant practice their religion because of what other countries do. Why dont we start looking at ourselves at the troubles weve caused in the middle east attacking countries for no real reason, using countries to fight our secret wars and leaving them in rubble when weve finished and you wonder why they are slightly annoyed?

Im not naive or a troll im a realist. Attacking a community isnt going to make things any better just makes things a whole lot worse but I suppose it makes you feel good and thats your prerogative

you skirt round things very prettily. I'll ask again. Two simple questions.

1) why do you think the Muslims felt the need to have a call to prayer right outside Westminster Abbey, with loudspeakers
and all the trimmings. Do you feel that was an attempt at integration or provocation? Bearing in mind of course, you have already clearly stated that for the EDL to just walk past a mosque it would be deliberately provocative

2) Do you believe the police would allow a group of Christians to mirror that and do the same at a large important Mosque in
Britain. if not, why not[/quote]

Ive answered these questions before but here we go aagain (sorry your not capable of reading replies)

1. I dont know why they felt they wanted to pray there, I cant find any literature on the situation other than the nonsense drivel the BNP and EDL spout. They would have loud speakers its how they call people to pray, same way as when church bells ring before mass, different techniques same result (but of course you know that). I dont believe it was provocative as far as I am aware it went without incident and the church of england or the dean of westminster have not complained (if they are happy why are you unhappy? surely these are the people who should really be offended if any offence was taken). Ive not said if the EDL just walk past a mosque it is deliberately provocative, I would say if an organised march by the EDL which was specifically routed to march past mosques would be provocative.

Though I would say the muslims were respectful more than the EDL were when they visited westminster abbey and several of there members decided to take a piss against the walls of the abbey you hold so respectfully.

2. It has happened ive been to these types of events where multi faiths have come together so the police have allowed it

That choudry idiot reckons this is good for Islam in Britain and Britain could be an Islamic country in 2015.

other than this country being an outright Islamic country in 2015, its something I would agree with I think it will be good for Islam in Britain

Islam has been a pain in the arse since it arrived.It is rapidly becoming the enemy of civilisation.

That choudry idiot reckons this is good for Islam in Britain and Britain could be an Islamic country in 2015.

other than this country being an outright Islamic country in 2015, its something I would agree with I think it will be good for Islam in Britain

Islam has been a pain in the arse since it arrived.It is rapidly becoming the enemy of civilisation.

really Cardiff seems to be ok considering Cardiff is the home of the first recorded mosque in Britain

Johnnycakes Abortions yes or no?

you skirt round things very prettily. I'll ask again. Two simple questions.

1) why do you think the Muslims felt the need to have a call to prayer right outside Westminster Abbey, with loudspeakers
and all the trimmings. Do you feel that was an attempt at integration or provocation? Bearing in mind of course, you have already clearly stated that for the EDL to just walk past a mosque it would be deliberately provocative

2) Do you believe the police would allow a group of Christians to mirror that and do the same at a large important Mosque in
Britain. if not, why not[/quote]

Ive answered these questions before but here we go aagain (sorry your not capable of reading replies)

1. I dont know why they felt they wanted to pray there, I cant find any literature on the situation other than the nonsense drivel the BNP and EDL spout. They would have loud speakers its how they call people to pray, same way as when church bells ring before mass, different techniques same result (but of course you know that). I dont believe it was provocative as far as I am aware it went without incident and the church of england or the dean of westminster have not complained (if they are happy why are you unhappy? surely these are the people who should really be offended if any offence was taken). Ive not said if the EDL just walk past a mosque it is deliberately provocative, I would say if an organised march by the EDL which was specifically routed to march past mosques would be provocative.

Though I would say the muslims were respectful more than the EDL were when they visited westminster abbey and several of there members decided to take a piss against the walls of the abbey you hold so respectfully.

2. It has happened ive been to these types of events where multi faiths have come together so the police have allowed it[/quote]

So your answer to 1) is that you have no idea why they did it. Provocation not entered your head. And you do NOT have to have
loudspeakers. any more than all Churches ring bells on a sunday morning. Most modern churches dont even have bells. But interesting and expected that you do not even consider it might have been a deliberate "f**k you" act

and 2) show me the evidence of Christians singing Christian songs at the Mosque with a loudspeaker. what a f*cking liar you are

Jonny do you think it's right for Muslims to be able to receive organ donations when in general Muslims very rarely donate themselves. Please can you make it a short answer. Thank you

Johnnycakes Abortions yes or no?

no but that is a different subject

you skirt round things very prettily. I'll ask again. Two simple questions.

1) why do you think the Muslims felt the need to have a call to prayer right outside Westminster Abbey, with loudspeakers
and all the trimmings. Do you feel that was an attempt at integration or provocation? Bearing in mind of course, you have already clearly stated that for the EDL to just walk past a mosque it would be deliberately provocative

2) Do you believe the police would allow a group of Christians to mirror that and do the same at a large important Mosque in
Britain. if not, why not

Ive answered these questions before but here we go aagain (sorry your not capable of reading replies)

1. I dont know why they felt they wanted to pray there, I cant find any literature on the situation other than the nonsense drivel the BNP and EDL spout. They would have loud speakers its how they call people to pray, same way as when church bells ring before mass, different techniques same result (but of course you know that). I dont believe it was provocative as far as I am aware it went without incident and the church of england or the dean of westminster have not complained (if they are happy why are you unhappy? surely these are the people who should really be offended if any offence was taken). Ive not said if the EDL just walk past a mosque it is deliberately provocative, I would say if an organised march by the EDL which was specifically routed to march past mosques would be provocative.

Though I would say the muslims were respectful more than the EDL were when they visited westminster abbey and several of there members decided to take a piss against the walls of the abbey you hold so respectfully.

2. It has happened ive been to these types of events where multi faiths have come together so the police have allowed it[/quote]

So your answer to 1) is that you have no idea why they did it. Provocation not entered your head. And you do NOT have to have
loudspeakers. any more than all Churches ring bells on a sunday morning. Most modern churches dont even have bells. But interesting and expected that you do not even consider it might have been a deliberate "f**k you" act

and 2) show me the evidence of Christians singing Christian songs at the Mosque with a loudspeaker. what a f*cking liar you are[/quote]

no my answer to 1 is I dont know and until I find out I will refrain from assuming things on the risk of sounding like an idiot but ill say again if the church of england are not offended by it I dont really understand why other people are. However if it is a deliberate f**k you to the church of england then shame on them but again i refuse to assume until I see proof

2 thats a very specific question which youve changed so you want Christians outside a mosque singing hymns with a loud speaker. My modern parish church rings bells before mass (or plays church bell noises from a cd out of a loud speaker). Ive witnessed Catholics and Muslims united together in fights against supposed pc notions that local councils not wanting to celebrate Christmas with the fear of offending non Christians and when it came to it the Muslim community spoke out and said why would you celebrating your own religious festivals offend us. So thats evidence of my own eyes of faiths working together

Jonny do you think it's right for Muslims to be able to receive organ donations when in general Muslims very rarely donate themselves. Please can you make it a short answer. Thank you

no it wont be a short answer you will get the answer your given

I live by a rule treat others as you would like to be treated, now if I am ill if an organ transplant would save my life I would like one, so that means im also on the organ donor register because if I can take I should really give.

So the way I would like to be treated is to receive an organ so I will treat others the same. How other people come to their own decisions be it based on religious decisions or personal ethics is for them to decide. I would have no issue giving one of my organs to a muslim or any other person. How people come to their own decisions is their own business.

you skirt round things very prettily. I'll ask again. Two simple questions.

1) why do you think the Muslims felt the need to have a call to prayer right outside Westminster Abbey, with loudspeakers
and all the trimmings. Do you feel that was an attempt at integration or provocation? Bearing in mind of course, you have already clearly stated that for the EDL to just walk past a mosque it would be deliberately provocative

2) Do you believe the police would allow a group of Christians to mirror that and do the same at a large important Mosque in
Britain. if not, why not

Ive answered these questions before but here we go aagain (sorry your not capable of reading replies)

1. I dont know why they felt they wanted to pray there, I cant find any literature on the situation other than the nonsense drivel the BNP and EDL spout. They would have loud speakers its how they call people to pray, same way as when church bells ring before mass, different techniques same result (but of course you know that). I dont believe it was provocative as far as I am aware it went without incident and the church of england or the dean of westminster have not complained (if they are happy why are you unhappy? surely these are the people who should really be offended if any offence was taken). Ive not said if the EDL just walk past a mosque it is deliberately provocative, I would say if an organised march by the EDL which was specifically routed to march past mosques would be provocative.

Though I would say the muslims were respectful more than the EDL were when they visited westminster abbey and several of there members decided to take a piss against the walls of the abbey you hold so respectfully.

2. It has happened ive been to these types of events where multi faiths have come together so the police have allowed it[/quote]

So your answer to 1) is that you have no idea why they did it. Provocation not entered your head. And you do NOT have to have
loudspeakers. any more than all Churches ring bells on a sunday morning. Most modern churches dont even have bells. But interesting and expected that you do not even consider it might have been a deliberate "f**k you" act

and 2) show me the evidence of Christians singing Christian songs at the Mosque with a loudspeaker. what a f*cking liar you are[/quote]


Oh and by the way Christians are allowed to pray in mosques as stated by the prophet Mohammad so if muslims refuse you entry to their mosque assuming you are a christian they are not following the teachings of their greatest prophet

Johnnycakes Abortions yes or no?

no but that is a different subject

And the poor souls who have been aborted, do you think they will enter heaven?

Johnnycakes Abortions yes or no?

no but that is a different subject

And the poor souls who have been aborted, do you think they will enter heaven?

yes of course they will why wouldnt they?