RELIGION?

The fact that there are so many religions around the world, past and present, points to a god being a human invention as a way to understand why we exist. Sometimes I think there may well be a God, but not the version people claim to worship in their religion. I think if he had the power to create the universe, why would he do it just for people to worship him? Bit big headed and I doubt he needs it.

And what was he doing before he created the universe, and how was he created?

No idea. If you don't believe God created then what do you think was happening before the universe came to be? Where did the initial factors that brought the universe into being come from?

I don't know as I've seen no conclusive proof of anything. You seem to have though.

You've seen no conclusive proof of anything yet you try and smash us down the way you have?

Are you sure you are not fighting something working within you?

Sometimes God comes nowhere near us until we let Him in.

I definitely have, I could never be an atheist or even an agnostic with what I've seen and experienced

I'm sure you're happy to share your conclusive proof. So here's your chance.

Well the bits I have allured to on here is personal experience that obviously cannot be tangibly shared.

But the ultimate proof of God is that without God you cannot prove anything.

Because to know something for sure you either:-

1. Have to know everything
2. Have to have revelation from someone who does (i.e. The Word of God)

Otherwise you are just using your own reasoning to justify your own reasoning.

Evidence means little as all evidence is interpreted differently to suit different presuppositions.

The universe doesn't make sense with God, as I allured to earlier the laws of logic without God are nonsensical. They would have to be man made which means contradiction could exist rationally before they were made. You also need a higher power to justify morality.[/quote]

I've read before about many of the themes surrounding Jesus I.e. virgin birth, resurrection etc are common in older, pagan stories. If true surely this points to some artistic licence in writing the bible?

The Bible is an amazing book because it was written by 40 different authors yet stays consistent, coherent and un-contradictive throughout.

http://www.skeptically.org/bible/id6.html

Yep, good job you found a website. Good on ya mate!

Problem is I can show you a website too, one that would actually explain why those "inaccuracies" are well, inaccurate.
There are a load of anti-Christian websites that attempt to disprove the Bible, usually citing some reference of a a differing account, or some spelling difference. To quote you "Bollocks"

The Bible is an amazing book because it was written by 40 different authors yet stays consistent, coherent and un-contradictive throughout.

http://www.skeptically.org/bible/id6.html

Yep, good job you found a website. Good on ya mate!

Problem is I can show you a website too, one that would actually explain why those "inaccuracies" are well, inaccurate.
There are a load of anti-Christian websites that attempt to disprove the Bible, usually citing some reference of a a differing account, or some spelling difference. To quote you "Bollocks"

Knock yourself out

Swanseasalad96 has an "imaginary fiend".

Yes, I understand he calls him 'Tatey'

The Bible is an amazing book because it was written by 40 different authors yet stays consistent, coherent and un-contradictive throughout.

http://www.skeptically.org/bible/id6.html

Yep, good job you found a website. Good on ya mate!

Problem is I can show you a website too, one that would actually explain why those "inaccuracies" are well, inaccurate.
There are a load of anti-Christian websites that attempt to disprove the Bible, usually citing some reference of a a differing account, or some spelling difference. To quote you "Bollocks"

Knock yourself out

Done

http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm

The Bible is an amazing book because it was written by 40 different authors yet stays consistent, coherent and un-contradictive throughout.

http://www.skeptically.org/bible/id6.html

Yep, good job you found a website. Good on ya mate!

Problem is I can show you a website too, one that would actually explain why those "inaccuracies" are well, inaccurate.
There are a load of anti-Christian websites that attempt to disprove the Bible, usually citing some reference of a a differing account, or some spelling difference. To quote you "Bollocks"

Knock yourself out

Done

http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm

No, I actually meant knock yourself out

The Bible is an amazing book because it was written by 40 different authors yet stays consistent, coherent and un-contradictive throughout.

http://www.skeptically.org/bible/id6.html

Seen all of those before, all out of context or just plain wrong.

but you do have to justify your actions in life and you can. Whatever I do in life are my choices free will, regardless of whether Gods teachings allow it or not. God will always forgive me aslong as I repent (apologise), forgive the sinner not the sin. However on this world we have laws of state which are outside religious belief which requires punishment if are broken.

So if a committed murder, I can have faith that God will forgive me and use my strength to get through the punishment for murder regarded by state. What I cant do is justify actions and make them innocent because its ok God has forgiven me.

I would have to justify my actions to the state, I do not have to justify my actions to God I just have to repent as God is all forgiving.

I agree with every word of that! Thanks for the reply

I've read before about many of the themes surrounding Jesus I.e. virgin birth, resurrection etc are common in older, pagan stories. If true surely this points to some artistic licence in writing the bible?

I don't know much about pagan stories I'm afraid, the bits I do know are generally not that similar.I do know that the Resurrection is a very well supported event because of the strength of:

a) A womens testimony being used - not admissable in the day so why put it there if made up
b) the fact the disciples went and gave their lives for what they had seen
c) the romans hated Christians and all they needed to do was produce Christ's body to show it was a lie, if it was they easily could have done it.

As I write this, Lucy Verasamy is reading the weather. I am reminded of how I would like to enter her catherdral, then give her several 'hymns' and then finish off by annointing her. If she was a nun I'd show her some dirty habits.

The Bible is an amazing book because it was written by 40 different authors yet stays consistent, coherent and un-contradictive throughout.

http://www.skeptically.org/bible/id6.html

Yep, good job you found a website. Good on ya mate!

Problem is I can show you a website too, one that would actually explain why those "inaccuracies" are well, inaccurate.
There are a load of anti-Christian websites that attempt to disprove the Bible, usually citing some reference of a a differing account, or some spelling difference. To quote you "Bollocks"

Knock yourself out

Done

http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm

No, I actually meant knock yourself out

good discussion fella. Have to sign off now

but you do have to justify your actions in life and you can. Whatever I do in life are my choices free will, regardless of whether Gods teachings allow it or not. God will always forgive me aslong as I repent (apologise), forgive the sinner not the sin. However on this world we have laws of state which are outside religious belief which requires punishment if are broken.

So if a committed murder, I can have faith that God will forgive me and use my strength to get through the punishment for murder regarded by state. What I cant do is justify actions and make them innocent because its ok God has forgiven me.

I would have to justify my actions to the state, I do not have to justify my actions to God I just have to repent as God is all forgiving.

I agree with every word of that! Thanks for the reply

if a person TRUELY REPENTS then he/she is forgiven.im in the jesus camp.it is hard to explain to someone who hasn,t experienced the power of god and had a spiritual awakening .the words of the bible are just that to many-words.it is the power of the spirit that fills a christian and makes the words come alive.

I've read before about many of the themes surrounding Jesus I.e. virgin birth, resurrection etc are common in older, pagan stories. If true surely this points to some artistic licence in writing the bible?

I don't know much about pagan stories I'm afraid, the bits I do know are generally not that similar.I do know that the Resurrection is a very well supported event because of the strength of:

a) A womens testimony being used - not admissable in the day so why put it there if made up
b) the fact the disciples went and gave their lives for what they had seen
c) the romans hated Christians and all they needed to do was produce Christ's body to show it was a lie, if it was they easily could have done it.

Sidetracking slightly, do you believe that life only exists on Earth or that there is life elsewhere in the universe?

I've read before about many of the themes surrounding Jesus I.e. virgin birth, resurrection etc are common in older, pagan stories. If true surely this points to some artistic licence in writing the bible?

I don't know much about pagan stories I'm afraid, the bits I do know are generally not that similar.I do know that the Resurrection is a very well supported event because of the strength of:

a) A womens testimony being used - not admissable in the day so why put it there if made up
b) the fact the disciples went and gave their lives for what they had seen
c) the romans hated Christians and all they needed to do was produce Christ's body to show it was a lie, if it was they easily could have done it.

Sidetracking slightly, do you believe that life only exists on Earth or that there is life elsewhere in the universe?

Personally I don't believe there is life elsewhere in the Universe aside from God Himself. However I could be wrong and if I am I don't see how it would affect anything else I believe.

i think its a load of bollox. god . jesus. etc, ive said before. in 2million years time, somebody is going to unearth a harry potter book. and see. 2009. wow . this was there life. the bible is a book. annises books are more real to life

I've read before about many of the themes surrounding Jesus I.e. virgin birth, resurrection etc are common in older, pagan stories. If true surely this points to some artistic licence in writing the bible?

I don't know much about pagan stories I'm afraid, the bits I do know are generally not that similar.I do know that the Resurrection is a very well supported event because of the strength of:

a) A womens testimony being used - not admissable in the day so why put it there if made up
b) the fact the disciples went and gave their lives for what they had seen
c) the romans hated Christians and all they needed to do was produce Christ's body to show it was a lie, if it was they easily could have done it.

Sidetracking slightly, do you believe that life only exists on Earth or that there is life elsewhere in the universe?

Personally I don't believe there is life elsewhere in the Universe aside from God Himself. However I could be wrong and if I am I don't see how it would affect anything else I believe.

Fair enough.

Do you consider there is a possibility that "Jesus" was actually an Extra Terrestrial rather than the son of God?

i think its a load of bollox. god . jesus. etc, ive said before. in 2million years time, somebody is going to unearth a harry potter book. and see. 2009. wow . this was there life. the bible is a book. annises books are more real to life

Oh I don't know

i think its a load of bollox. god . jesus. etc, ive said before. in 2million years time, somebody is going to unearth a harry potter book. and see. 2009. wow . this was there life. the bible is a book. annises books are more real to life

The man Jesus of Nazareth, known as the Messiah translated Christ, was a real person. No historical scholar secular or religious would even contemplate denying that.

The events of his life are better recorded historically and have more eyewitness and logical evidence than any other historical figure even close to his time.

How do you figure the universe came to be? Where did the laws of logic come from? How do you know what is right & wrong?

I've read before about many of the themes surrounding Jesus I.e. virgin birth, resurrection etc are common in older, pagan stories. If true surely this points to some artistic licence in writing the bible?

I don't know much about pagan stories I'm afraid, the bits I do know are generally not that similar.I do know that the Resurrection is a very well supported event because of the strength of:

a) A womens testimony being used - not admissable in the day so why put it there if made up
b) the fact the disciples went and gave their lives for what they had seen
c) the romans hated Christians and all they needed to do was produce Christ's body to show it was a lie, if it was they easily could have done it.

Sidetracking slightly, do you believe that life only exists on Earth or that there is life elsewhere in the universe?

Personally I don't believe there is life elsewhere in the Universe aside from God Himself. However I could be wrong and if I am I don't see how it would affect anything else I believe.

Fair enough.

Do you consider there is a possibility that "Jesus" was actually an Extra Terrestrial rather than the son of God?

The Bible says He was the Son of God and nothing about ET so it doesn't figure in my mind at all.

I've read before about many of the themes surrounding Jesus I.e. virgin birth, resurrection etc are common in older, pagan stories. If true surely this points to some artistic licence in writing the bible?

I don't know much about pagan stories I'm afraid, the bits I do know are generally not that similar.I do know that the Resurrection is a very well supported event because of the strength of:

a) A womens testimony being used - not admissable in the day so why put it there if made up
b) the fact the disciples went and gave their lives for what they had seen
c) the romans hated Christians and all they needed to do was produce Christ's body to show it was a lie, if it was they easily could have done it.

Sidetracking slightly, do you believe that life only exists on Earth or that there is life elsewhere in the universe?

Personally I don't believe there is life elsewhere in the Universe aside from God Himself. However I could be wrong and if I am I don't see how it would affect anything else I believe.

Fair enough.

Do you consider there is a possibility that "Jesus" was actually an Extra Terrestrial rather than the son of God?

By extra terrestrial do you mean fictional character who was thought up by the power-hungry who wanted to control the masses?

I've read before about many of the themes surrounding Jesus I.e. virgin birth, resurrection etc are common in older, pagan stories. If true surely this points to some artistic licence in writing the bible?

I don't know much about pagan stories I'm afraid, the bits I do know are generally not that similar.I do know that the Resurrection is a very well supported event because of the strength of:

a) A womens testimony being used - not admissable in the day so why put it there if made up
b) the fact the disciples went and gave their lives for what they had seen
c) the romans hated Christians and all they needed to do was produce Christ's body to show it was a lie, if it was they easily could have done it.

Sidetracking slightly, do you believe that life only exists on Earth or that there is life elsewhere in the universe?

Personally I don't believe there is life elsewhere in the Universe aside from God Himself. However I could be wrong and if I am I don't see how it would affect anything else I believe.

Fair enough.

Do you consider there is a possibility that "Jesus" was actually an Extra Terrestrial rather than the son of God?

The Bible says He was the Son of God and nothing about ET so it doesn't figure in my mind at all.

Would the people of that time have any understanding of what an ET may have been though? Is there a possibility that they misunderstood and used "Son of God" as an explanation they could understand?

Surely there's no doubt that Jesus existed? It's whether he was the son of god that is the issue.

Surely there's no doubt that Jesus existed? It's whether he was the son of god that is the issue.

Spot on. Nobody in their right mind would deny He existed.

I've read before about many of the themes surrounding Jesus I.e. virgin birth, resurrection etc are common in older, pagan stories. If true surely this points to some artistic licence in writing the bible?

I don't know much about pagan stories I'm afraid, the bits I do know are generally not that similar.I do know that the Resurrection is a very well supported event because of the strength of:

a) A womens testimony being used - not admissable in the day so why put it there if made up
b) the fact the disciples went and gave their lives for what they had seen
c) the romans hated Christians and all they needed to do was produce Christ's body to show it was a lie, if it was they easily could have done it.

Sidetracking slightly, do you believe that life only exists on Earth or that there is life elsewhere in the universe?

Personally I don't believe there is life elsewhere in the Universe aside from God Himself. However I could be wrong and if I am I don't see how it would affect anything else I believe.

Fair enough.

Do you consider there is a possibility that "Jesus" was actually an Extra Terrestrial rather than the son of God?

AH the extra terrestrial argument,

ok God is an extra terrestrial, rather than God
Jesus the Son of God, is an extra terrestrial, visting earth rather than the son of God

right let me stop you from asking your next question, was life put on earth by martians?

this is a arguable theory, though if this proves to be true it does give a lot of weight to religion.

a higher being creates the world, an alien capable of creating life on earth would most certainly qualify as a higher being.

DNA created with the message and guidance to live life from the perspective of a higher being, alien is the higher being and makes natural law a lot more understandable.

Leaps of faith can be described as realisations of alien teachings

miracles and Godly appearances are alien visits

Religious structure God, The Devil, Angels and Demons. The God and the Devil can be simply described as heads of state on an alien world, Angels and Demons the followers of these heads of states.

These all sound very plausible one problem though prove that Aliens exist, same question you ask of religious people, prove God exists, same question I would ask Athiests prove God doesnt exist.

All three questions are impossible to answer, I cant prove aliens exist, I cant prove God exists on the same not I can neither prove that he doesnt exist.

Religion is outdated, it was created to explain to people for their existence and hope for something to happen to them after they die. the problem with religion is there is always questions which cannot be answered which can be positive for some and negative for others.

The question 'Is there a God' will probably never get a correct answer. we can all argue day and night but we won't get an definitive answer.

Personally with the advances in science and the lack of evidence of there being a God I believe there isn't a God

But that is my personal belief, I was raised as a catholic but I have based my feelings on evidence (Or lack of in religion's case )

Religion is outdated, it was created to explain to people for their existence and hope for something to happen to them after they die. the problem with religion is there is always questions which cannot be answered which can be positive for some and negative for others.

The question 'Is there a God' will probably never get a correct answer. we can all argue day and night but we won't get an definitive answer.

Personally with the advances in science and the lack of evidence of there being a God I believe there isn't a God

But that is my personal belief, I was raised as a catholic but I have based my feelings on evidence (Or lack of in religion's case )

86% of this world follow a religion so it's a bit presumptious to call it 'outdated'?

If that's why it was 'created' then what is real cause of our existence?

Which advances in Science go against God?

I cant prove aliens exist, I cant prove God exists on the same not I can neither prove that he doesnt exist.

My point exactly, there is no proof of anything of this ilk.

That's why I'm firmly in the camp of "I don't know".

Religion is outdated, it was created to explain to people for their existence and hope for something to happen to them after they die. the problem with religion is there is always questions which cannot be answered which can be positive for some and negative for others.

The question 'Is there a God' will probably never get a correct answer. we can all argue day and night but we won't get an definitive answer.

Personally with the advances in science and the lack of evidence of there being a God I believe there isn't a God

But that is my personal belief, I was raised as a catholic but I have based my feelings on evidence (Or lack of in religion's case )

give me all the evidence that God doesnt exist

I believe religion is just as relevant today as it was 1000's of years ago the, the basic moral questions are the same today as they were then, the answers given to these questions are as relevant today as they are now. Whether God exists is irrelevant its still not a bad way to live your life morally speaking

I cant prove aliens exist, I cant prove God exists on the same not I can neither prove that he doesnt exist.

My point exactly, there is no proof of anything of this ilk.

That's why I'm firmly in the camp of "I don't know".

We've given you plenty yet you simply choose to bypass it, which is your own decision and I respect that.

I cant prove aliens exist, I cant prove God exists on the same not I can neither prove that he doesnt exist.

My point exactly, there is no proof of anything of this ilk.

That's why I'm firmly in the camp of "I don't know".

and thats fine. I have faith and believe that God exists.

however if you are looking for answers to questions from a religion mocking it isnt the best way to go about it.

I respect the alien theory there are many arguments to support it however I like the God idea.