doverblue can go do one, simple

Selfish enough to change the club colours at a whim with no real reason and totally disrespecting the club and it's loyal fan base.

Thats what you think. More open minded people can see the bigger picture. Not going to continue arguing with you now as its obvious our opinions differentiate. If you want to continue crying then do so but please spare me the bs. thanks

I've been a long time viewer of this forum but felt I needed to make an account just to reply to this thread. "All Black everything" you are talking crap. everything you typed makes no sense, you talk about our previous success and hooliganism but the club was voted family club of the year when we were still playing in blue, how does changing a clubs badge and colours change the fans? It hasn't. You're talking utter trash and even without the rebrand people would remember the past regardless of any changes in the kit. How can a change of kit and badge have any bearing on our past, we are still Cardiff City and regardless of a colour change or badge we are the same club, your long boring post is a joke!
Kit and badge change has not made our club more family orientated, that was happening regardless!

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Selfish enough to change the club colours at a whim with no real reason and totally disrespecting the club and it's loyal fan base.

Thats what you think. More open minded people can see the bigger picture. Not going to continue arguing with you now as its obvious our opinions differentiate. If you want to continue crying then do so but please spare me the bs. thanks

Yep, I'm entitled to think that too. Ill continue to air my opinions and if you don't agree, simply debate them, rather than insult the poster - sure fire way to lose a debate.

We were first in brown and beige so blue isnt our original colour, just as Cardiff isnt our original name.

Since Cardiff City FC was formed, they always played in Blue. That shouldn't be so easily disregarded for no real reason other than its one man's favourite colour.

100 % agree and also lots of people never supported the hooligan side of the club which by the way loads of clubs have had the same problems but no other clubs have changed colours .May be one day and I will turn this on to you ,You may see Tan differently in years to come cos he is spineless selfish tw*t.

So selfish he invested millions of pounds of his own cash into the club to keep us afloat. The only thing Tan could do to annoy m would be change the name or relocate.

Listen dick head Tan hasnt invested nothing off the pitch in terms of paying off any long term debts the debts have increased to 100 mill .The money he is loaning us is at a 7 % interest.

He has put money into the team he had to if we were mid table people would be going mad but all this comes as a cost .

The hooligan element to be attached to are blue colours is utter bull shit and the families have been coming back for around 7 years I now I been to all the home games with my family so as far as I am concerned you are talking utter bollocks

Listen dick head Tan hasnt invested nothing off the pitch in terms of paying off any long term debts the debts have increased to 100 mill .The money he is loaning us is at a 7 % interest.

Someone doesn't understand financial equity.

He has put money into the team he had to if we were mid table people would be going mad but all this comes as a cost .

The hooligan element to be attached to are blue colours is utter bull shit and the families have been coming back for around 7 years I now I been to all the home games with my family so as far as I am concerned you are talking utter bollocks

Without him we would have gone through and its as simple as that with the losses we were making. How would we pay tax? sell off all of our best players and slide down the divisions and thats if we were lucky.

Also, not only your family count and different families have different views, learn to accept that, 'dickhead'.

Listen dick head Tan hasnt invested nothing off the pitch in terms of paying off any long term debts the debts have increased to 100 mill .The money he is loaning us is at a 7 % interest.

Someone doesn't understand financial equity.

He has put money into the team he had to if we were mid table people would be going mad but all this comes as a cost .

The hooligan element to be attached to are blue colours is utter bull shit and the families have been coming back for around 7 years I now I been to all the home games with my family so as far as I am concerned you are talking utter bollocks

Without him we would have gone through and its as simple as that with the losses we were making. How would we pay tax? sell off all of our best players and slide down the divisions and thats if we were lucky.

Also, not only your family count and different families have different views, learn to accept that, 'dickhead'.

Listen I am simply stating FACTS here and many people have said the same to you I stand by what I said .

The financial equity needs paying off mate he said on tv how he was going to spend the 100 mill so where is it.

Cardiff city have always had financial problems and we have been many bad positions but it always seems to work out just if Tan never came in how do you no someone else would av come .

If you think the club is better off being Red then thats your opinion but dont rub the noses of other people with a different view of the Red by talking shit.

Listen dick head Tan hasnt invested nothing off the pitch in terms of paying off any long term debts the debts have increased to 100 mill .The money he is loaning us is at a 7 % interest.

Someone doesn't understand financial equity.

He has put money into the team he had to if we were mid table people would be going mad but all this comes as a cost .

The hooligan element to be attached to are blue colours is utter bull shit and the families have been coming back for around 7 years I now I been to all the home games with my family so as far as I am concerned you are talking utter bollocks

Without him we would have gone through and its as simple as that with the losses we were making. How would we pay tax? sell off all of our best players and slide down the divisions and thats if we were lucky.

Also, not only your family count and different families have different views, learn to accept that, 'dickhead'.

Listen I am simply stating FACTS here and many people have said the same to you I stand by what I said .

The financial equity needs paying off mate he said on tv how he was going to spend the 100 mill so where is it.

Cardiff city have always had financial problems and we have been many bad positions but it always seems to work out just if Tan never came in how do you no someone else would av come .

If you think the club is better off being Red then thats your opinion but dont rub the noses of other people with a different view of the Red by talking shit.

Fair enough but im being honest that I know people who have gone just because we are red because their 'view' of the club, however distorted it may be, has changed. I can't control their brains, they form their own conclusions based on what they see and hear.

I have said all I can say to you as have many people on here and now I am off to dream about winning the loto.

I will leave you with this to think about.

The biggest thing Tan has created is a very strong debate between us fans because he changed the colour and badge .We as fans dont deserve to be going through this its all wrong but he still did it and he didnt need to .

Separate from that I dont agree with your thread at all.Night

I dont believe Tan did this on a whim. It was calculated. I also believe hes doing what he thinks will benefit City, not us fans. Whatever his plans, it will involve him making money......thats not a whim as some of you claim.

All Black, iv said this before in a different thread and I'll say it again, you post some shit!

Never read so much shit since I started reading this forum.

We have been becoming a family club over the last six-seven years, and for the last five years
running have won Football League Awards for it. Long before Tan came. Families have been
coming back in droves, for years. Long before any rebrand.

To suggest ANY supporters have started to bring their kids back because we no longer play in
Blue is at best groundless. At worst, (sorry about this) stupid!!!

But he cant help himself

Then he produces 'Tommy Scouse' (oh i want you all to meet him).. the staunch Liverpool fan
who would never ever bring his kids down the City because of the hooligan problem, even
though we've been winning all these 'Family Club' awards for years. But suddenly, the new
RED kit has given him a change of heart, as the Blue kit was synonymous with thuggery.

THEN admits that *cough cough... Liverpools decline may just have something to do with it

(yeh, that and the fact that we are on the brink of Premiership football )

THEN... the insults start AllBlacks problem is, he has an inflated opinion of
himself because he is in University. I applaud him for working hard enough in school to get there.
But a University Education is NO indicator as to intelligence. Thats just a fact. I've had it with
him before about the winner of Mastermind being a train driver. That one of the most intelligent
men I've ever met was a bin man. People CHOOSE different paths sometimes. To assume he is
cleverer than the rest of us because he is in University is arrogant, immature and wrong.

He'll learn. One day.

Taffy Apple are you inferring his ego and opinion of himself is of similar size to his outsized, deformed head?

Makes sense to me in relation to the drivel he's put forward in this debate.

The amusing part for me is when he resorts to insults, another place at the wrong time would probably have meant his words and education being forcibly rammed down his throat. Which no doubt was caused by the fact that CCFC played in blue.

Taffy Apple are you inferring his ego and opinion of himself is of similar size to his outsized, deformed head?

Makes sense to me in relation to the drivel he's put forward in this debate.

The amusing part for me is when he resorts to insults, another place at the wrong time would probably have meant his words and education being forcibly rammed down his throat. Which no doubt was caused by the fact that CCFC played in blue.

I have no idea what shape his head is

But with his attitude, in a 'working environment' some old feller would have slapped him
across the mush long before now, shook him up big time. Happens every day in the real
world. I got a proper clump off a feller in his 60's when i was about 18, because of my
cockiness, i deserved it. Best thing that ever happened to me. I'd boxed a fair bit as a kid
and probably thought I was not only Roberto Duran, but Einstein too, I had all the answers.
Big wake up call for me it was. Frankie Blawd, God rest him, became a good friend of mine.

Being wrong doesnt make you weak, it doesnt mean your an idiot, or that you are lacking
something. Nor does it mean that the other person is superior to you. It just means...your
wrong. next time you might be right. Never admitting your wrong, however, can certainly
make you look like and idiot. It also weakens your case in every other debate, because
people will just switch off to what your saying, because they no longer respect your opinion.

In all fairness to balloon head he's not the only simpleton who perceive themself as oracles of enlightenment and truth on this board.

The curse of the internet giving every wannabe spokesman the opportunity to spout drivel.

It can be amusing mind as some of them are incredibly sensitive.

In all fairness to balloon head he's not the only simpleton who perceive themself as oracles of enlightenment and truth on this board.

The curse of the internet giving every wannabe spokesman the opportunity to spout drivel.

It can be amusing mind as some of them are incredibly sensitive.

I'll confess. I'm a right opinionated fucker myself. But if I'm wrong I'll just hold
my hands up straight away. Experience has taught me that its better to concede
defeat than keep digging.

Quite right Taffy, honesty is always the best policy and judging your posts you don't seem the overly sensitive, hysterical type.

Some on here though. Funny really.

I wonder if we got any psychology professionals or students viewing the board? There's a number of case studies here which would prove interesting.

Looks like Doverblue is at it again on CCMB.

I an being reported for calling him a stupid thick t**t

Dover blue = Jack

The smell of fear is in their nostrils

Dover blue = Jack

The smell of fear is in their nostrils

yes we WILL be back at the puberty next season back terrorising the inbreds up west

We have been becoming a family club over the last six-seven years, and for the last five years
running have won Football League Awards for it. Long before Tan came. Families have been
coming back in droves, for years. Long before any rebrand.

To suggest ANY supporters have started to bring their kids back because we no longer play in
Blue is at best groundless. At worst, (sorry about this) stupid!!!

But he cant help himself

Then he produces 'Tommy Scouse' (oh i want you all to meet him).. the staunch Liverpool fan
who would never ever bring his kids down the City because of the hooligan problem, even
though we've been winning all these 'Family Club' awards for years. But suddenly, the new
RED kit has given him a change of heart, as the Blue kit was synonymous with thuggery.

THEN admits that *cough cough... Liverpools decline may just have something to do with it

(yeh, that and the fact that we are on the brink of Premiership football )

THEN... the insults start AllBlacks problem is, he has an inflated opinion of
himself because he is in University. I applaud him for working hard enough in school to get there.
But a University Education is NO indicator as to intelligence. Thats just a fact. I've had it with
him before about the winner of Mastermind being a train driver. That one of the most intelligent
men I've ever met was a bin man. People CHOOSE different paths sometimes. To assume he is
cleverer than the rest of us because he is in University is arrogant, immature and wrong.

He'll learn. One day.

Again, you fail to understand the point. My university education has about as much to do with it as your views on politics. This has nothing to do with my education in the slightest. I don't assume im cleverer than anyone and there are for more educated people out there who have learnt from books etc. as well as people who have dropped out of university because it weren't the right path again.

You seem to have some sort of problem understanding other peoples views when they don't match with your own. I have to be honest, you would make an excellent dictator.

As already said, we fans know what really happened with the club and we know the hooliganism element had long gone before the kit change but to suggest that every other person in the city also knew that is very narrow minded. I know people in Cardiff who could only name Bellamy and I know people who could name none of the players. Not everyone is focused on Cardiff. The amount of people I know who bought season ticket when Bellamy joined was alarming also. People buy/do things for stupid reasons, some that not even I can understand.

As for being opinionated and holding your hands up when you are wrong? That is not true. You have been proven wrong in threads in relation to multiculturalism and immigration yet continue to argue and twist people's words to suit your own agenda.

As for saying in a working environment I would have been slapped, that is again not true. I worked for years before going to university and never once got slapped. I then chose to go to university to study something that I wanted to do and something that was more challenging. I don't see that there is a problem with that but to suggest I think I know everything is just pathetic as I know myself that my grades are only just above average and I have a lot of work/revision to do to improve. Everyone can learn, even yourself at your age.

Its a shame that you have to constantly jump on and twist the words of those who have differentiating opinions to you on football and politics. At the end of the day, people will always have differentiating opinions so you should learn to accept them. You know next to nothing about most people''s lives on this forum so to judge them and claim to 'know' whats going on in their lives is at best ignorant.

At no point did I suggest the red change was the only factor but you've failed to grasp that. You have instead decided to read the parts that suit you as you always do. I said that the red will change some peoples perception of the club. Obviously, there is some level of causation there that is obviously the bigger part but I didn't think that needed spelling out.

As already mentioned by a member on CCMB, some of those who accept the rebrand will agree, those against wont. People have differentiating opinions and I can accept that. There will be people like my mate who as suggested by Chuckle have decided to support Cardiff on a whim and I tend to agree with Chuckle on that.

The change in color made him have second thoughts about the club. It was a causative factor in his eventual decision. However, I am open minded enough to understand there will be people who have gone back for many other reasons (the family club of the year award) and there are people who have decided no longer go for their own reasons. (they no longer enjoy the day out)

If I was totally wrong I wouldn't have people PMing from all sides. Some saying 'great post', some saying 'garbage' and I have had one or two on the other board saying 'I agree to a degree but some of it is wrong'. You're on the garbage side and fair enough, you are entitled to that opinion but please don't try and force your views down the throat of others thanks.

Each to their own in my opinion. People will talk from their own experiences in their life and not the experiences of others. Your environment is a major factor in helping shape your opinion on many aspects of life and this is no different. For example, I come from a horrible part of Cardiff and without help would have never been in university in the first place. I am very fortunate to be there.

At the end of the day, the red has made some people aware of changes at Cardiff City. Of course we knew of the family club of the year awards before because we are Cardiff fans so we know most, if not all, with what is happening at the club. To suggest everyone else does also is very narrow minded. Many people, as crazy as it may sound to you, hate our club from the local area and couldn't give a crap about it and then there will be those swayed for numerous reasons.

There will be people jumping on the bandwagon for a variety of reasons. Are they plastics? Some will say yes others will say more the merrier. As far as im concerned as long as they turn up throughout the season and don't just go for the big games vs the top 4 if we go up then fair enough. I see no problem with ex United fans and Liverpool fans buying season tickets even if it is something as whimsical as the kit color change that has been the causative factor in that decision.

You'll probably jump down my throat on this but there is nothing else I can say to you that is going to change things on here without you meeting these people (plastics to you maybe) first hand and asking them why. Some people just like the new kit and that is how fickle fans these days are and that is a part of modern football.

I know people who buy numerous kits from clubs in the UK and abroad just because they like the design etc. Its a sad part of the modern game - there is very little loyalty on the pitch these days and very little off it but we either strive on as a unit of loyal fans or we continue beating ourselves up over the fact that money has had a dreadful effect on the game.

There are many who buy kits for fashion reasons - reasons that sound stupid to me but its their life so im not going to stress myself out whinging over it. Image is everything in business and there is no doubt that the rebrand has appealed to some people. It has disillusioned many also and im not hiding from that very fact. The modern game in most parts of the world is in a very sad state of affairs hence why I have followed the Bundesliga for many years very closely.

Im not going to say anymore because I've known the people for years and if you aren't going to accept that then fair enough. Have a good start to the new year and all the best.

"please don't try and force your views down the throat of others thanks."

You doing that yourself, mind.

We have been becoming a family club over the last six-seven years, and for the last five years
running have won Football League Awards for it. Long before Tan came. Families have been
coming back in droves, for years. Long before any rebrand.

To suggest ANY supporters have started to bring their kids back because we no longer play in
Blue is at best groundless. At worst, (sorry about this) stupid!!!

But he cant help himself

Then he produces 'Tommy Scouse' (oh i want you all to meet him).. the staunch Liverpool fan
who would never ever bring his kids down the City because of the hooligan problem, even
though we've been winning all these 'Family Club' awards for years. But suddenly, the new
RED kit has given him a change of heart, as the Blue kit was synonymous with thuggery.

THEN admits that *cough cough... Liverpools decline may just have something to do with it

(yeh, that and the fact that we are on the brink of Premiership football )

THEN... the insults start AllBlacks problem is, he has an inflated opinion of
himself because he is in University. I applaud him for working hard enough in school to get there.
But a University Education is NO indicator as to intelligence. Thats just a fact. I've had it with
him before about the winner of Mastermind being a train driver. That one of the most intelligent
men I've ever met was a bin man. People CHOOSE different paths sometimes. To assume he is
cleverer than the rest of us because he is in University is arrogant, immature and wrong.

He'll learn. One day.

Again, you fail to understand the point. My university education has about as much to do with it as your views on politics. This has nothing to do with my education in the slightest. I don't assume im cleverer than anyone and there are for more educated people out there who have learnt from books etc. as well as people who have dropped out of university because it weren't the right path again.

You seem to have some sort of problem understanding other peoples views when they don't match with your own. I have to be honest, you would make an excellent dictator.

As already said, we fans know what really happened with the club and we know the hooliganism element had long gone before the kit change but to suggest that every other person in the city also knew that is very narrow minded. I know people in Cardiff who could only name Bellamy and I know people who could name none of the players. Not everyone is focused on Cardiff. The amount of people I know who bought season ticket when Bellamy joined was alarming also. People buy/do things for stupid reasons, some that not even I can understand.

As for being opinionated and holding your hands up when you are wrong? That is not true. You have been proven wrong in threads in relation to multiculturalism and immigration yet continue to argue and twist people's words to suit your own agenda.

As for saying in a working environment I would have been slapped, that is again not true. I worked for years before going to university and never once got slapped. I then chose to go to university to study something that I wanted to do and something that was more challenging. I don't see that there is a problem with that but to suggest I think I know everything is just pathetic as I know myself that my grades are only just above average and I have a lot of work/revision to do to improve. Everyone can learn, even yourself at your age.

Its a shame that you have to constantly jump on and twist the words of those who have differentiating opinions to you on football and politics. At the end of the day, people will always have differentiating opinions so you should learn to accept them. You know next to nothing about most people''s lives on this forum so to judge them and claim to 'know' whats going on in their lives is at best ignorant.

At no point did I suggest the red change was the only factor but you've failed to grasp that. You have instead decided to read the parts that suit you as you always do. I said that the red will change some peoples perception of the club. Obviously, there is some level of causation there that is obviously the bigger part but I didn't think that needed spelling out.

As already mentioned by a member on CCMB, some of those who accept the rebrand will agree, those against wont. People have differentiating opinions and I can accept that. There will be people like my mate who as suggested by Chuckle have decided to support Cardiff on a whim and I tend to agree with Chuckle on that.

The change in color made him have second thoughts about the club. It was a causative factor in his eventual decision. However, I am open minded enough to understand there will be people who have gone back for many other reasons (the family club of the year award) and there are people who have decided no longer go for their own reasons. (they no longer enjoy the day out)

If I was totally wrong I wouldn't have people PMing from all sides. Some saying 'great post', some saying 'garbage' and I have had one or two on the other board saying 'I agree to a degree but some of it is wrong'. You're on the garbage side and fair enough, you are entitled to that opinion but please don't try and force your views down the throat of others thanks.

Each to their own in my opinion. People will talk from their own experiences in their life and not the experiences of others. Your environment is a major factor in helping shape your opinion on many aspects of life and this is no different. For example, I come from a horrible part of Cardiff and without help would have never been in university in the first place. I am very fortunate to be there.

At the end of the day, the red has made some people aware of changes at Cardiff City. Of course we knew of the family club of the year awards before because we are Cardiff fans so we know most, if not all, with what is happening at the club. To suggest everyone else does also is very narrow minded. Many people, as crazy as it may sound to you, hate our club from the local area and couldn't give a crap about it and then there will be those swayed for numerous reasons.

There will be people jumping on the bandwagon for a variety of reasons. Are they plastics? Some will say yes others will say more the merrier. As far as im concerned as long as they turn up throughout the season and don't just go for the big games vs the top 4 if we go up then fair enough. I see no problem with ex United fans and Liverpool fans buying season tickets even if it is something as whimsical as the kit color change that has been the causative factor in that decision.

You'll probably jump down my throat on this but there is nothing else I can say to you that is going to change things on here without you meeting these people (plastics to you maybe) first hand and asking them why. Some people just like the new kit and that is how fickle fans these days are and that is a part of modern football.

I know people who buy numerous kits from clubs in the UK and abroad just because they like the design etc. Its a sad part of the modern game - there is very little loyalty on the pitch these days and very little off it but we either strive on as a unit of loyal fans or we continue beating ourselves up over the fact that money has had a dreadful effect on the game.

There are many who buy kits for fashion reasons - reasons that sound stupid to me but its their life so im not going to stress myself out whinging over it. Image is everything in business and there is no doubt that the rebrand has appealed to some people. It has disillusioned many also and im not hiding from that very fact. The modern game in most parts of the world is in a very sad state of affairs hence why I have followed the Bundesliga for many years very closely.

Im not going to say anymore because I've known the people for years and if you aren't going to accept that then fair enough. Have a good start to the new year and all the best.

You got handed your arse on that 'immigration' thread, and not just by me.

By the way, your use of the words 'differentiating' and 'causative' in your post
are both incorrect and out of context. Big words, I could see why you wanted
to throw them in there.But your wrong.

'causative factor' is ok though

here to help.

We have been becoming a family club over the last six-seven years, and for the last five years
running have won Football League Awards for it. Long before Tan came. Families have been
coming back in droves, for years. Long before any rebrand.

To suggest ANY supporters have started to bring their kids back because we no longer play in
Blue is at best groundless. At worst, (sorry about this) stupid!!!

But he cant help himself

Then he produces 'Tommy Scouse' (oh i want you all to meet him).. the staunch Liverpool fan
who would never ever bring his kids down the City because of the hooligan problem, even
though we've been winning all these 'Family Club' awards for years. But suddenly, the new
RED kit has given him a change of heart, as the Blue kit was synonymous with thuggery.

THEN admits that *cough cough... Liverpools decline may just have something to do with it

(yeh, that and the fact that we are on the brink of Premiership football )

THEN... the insults start AllBlacks problem is, he has an inflated opinion of
himself because he is in University. I applaud him for working hard enough in school to get there.
But a University Education is NO indicator as to intelligence. Thats just a fact. I've had it with
him before about the winner of Mastermind being a train driver. That one of the most intelligent
men I've ever met was a bin man. People CHOOSE different paths sometimes. To assume he is
cleverer than the rest of us because he is in University is arrogant, immature and wrong.

He'll learn. One day.

Again, you fail to understand the point. My university education has about as much to do with it as your views on politics. This has nothing to do with my education in the slightest. I don't assume im cleverer than anyone and there are for more educated people out there who have learnt from books etc. as well as people who have dropped out of university because it weren't the right path again.

You seem to have some sort of problem understanding other peoples views when they don't match with your own. I have to be honest, you would make an excellent dictator.

As already said, we fans know what really happened with the club and we know the hooliganism element had long gone before the kit change but to suggest that every other person in the city also knew that is very narrow minded. I know people in Cardiff who could only name Bellamy and I know people who could name none of the players. Not everyone is focused on Cardiff. The amount of people I know who bought season ticket when Bellamy joined was alarming also. People buy/do things for stupid reasons, some that not even I can understand.

As for being opinionated and holding your hands up when you are wrong? That is not true. You have been proven wrong in threads in relation to multiculturalism and immigration yet continue to argue and twist people's words to suit your own agenda.

As for saying in a working environment I would have been slapped, that is again not true. I worked for years before going to university and never once got slapped. I then chose to go to university to study something that I wanted to do and something that was more challenging. I don't see that there is a problem with that but to suggest I think I know everything is just pathetic as I know myself that my grades are only just above average and I have a lot of work/revision to do to improve. Everyone can learn, even yourself at your age.

Its a shame that you have to constantly jump on and twist the words of those who have differentiating opinions to you on football and politics. At the end of the day, people will always have differentiating opinions so you should learn to accept them. You know next to nothing about most people''s lives on this forum so to judge them and claim to 'know' whats going on in their lives is at best ignorant.

At no point did I suggest the red change was the only factor but you've failed to grasp that. You have instead decided to read the parts that suit you as you always do. I said that the red will change some peoples perception of the club. Obviously, there is some level of causation there that is obviously the bigger part but I didn't think that needed spelling out.

As already mentioned by a member on CCMB, some of those who accept the rebrand will agree, those against wont. People have differentiating opinions and I can accept that. There will be people like my mate who as suggested by Chuckle have decided to support Cardiff on a whim and I tend to agree with Chuckle on that.

The change in color made him have second thoughts about the club. It was a causative factor in his eventual decision. However, I am open minded enough to understand there will be people who have gone back for many other reasons (the family club of the year award) and there are people who have decided no longer go for their own reasons. (they no longer enjoy the day out)

If I was totally wrong I wouldn't have people PMing from all sides. Some saying 'great post', some saying 'garbage' and I have had one or two on the other board saying 'I agree to a degree but some of it is wrong'. You're on the garbage side and fair enough, you are entitled to that opinion but please don't try and force your views down the throat of others thanks.

Each to their own in my opinion. People will talk from their own experiences in their life and not the experiences of others. Your environment is a major factor in helping shape your opinion on many aspects of life and this is no different. For example, I come from a horrible part of Cardiff and without help would have never been in university in the first place. I am very fortunate to be there.

At the end of the day, the red has made some people aware of changes at Cardiff City. Of course we knew of the family club of the year awards before because we are Cardiff fans so we know most, if not all, with what is happening at the club. To suggest everyone else does also is very narrow minded. Many people, as crazy as it may sound to you, hate our club from the local area and couldn't give a crap about it and then there will be those swayed for numerous reasons.

There will be people jumping on the bandwagon for a variety of reasons. Are they plastics? Some will say yes others will say more the merrier. As far as im concerned as long as they turn up throughout the season and don't just go for the big games vs the top 4 if we go up then fair enough. I see no problem with ex United fans and Liverpool fans buying season tickets even if it is something as whimsical as the kit color change that has been the causative factor in that decision.

You'll probably jump down my throat on this but there is nothing else I can say to you that is going to change things on here without you meeting these people (plastics to you maybe) first hand and asking them why. Some people just like the new kit and that is how fickle fans these days are and that is a part of modern football.

I know people who buy numerous kits from clubs in the UK and abroad just because they like the design etc. Its a sad part of the modern game - there is very little loyalty on the pitch these days and very little off it but we either strive on as a unit of loyal fans or we continue beating ourselves up over the fact that money has had a dreadful effect on the game.

There are many who buy kits for fashion reasons - reasons that sound stupid to me but its their life so im not going to stress myself out whinging over it. Image is everything in business and there is no doubt that the rebrand has appealed to some people. It has disillusioned many also and im not hiding from that very fact. The modern game in most parts of the world is in a very sad state of affairs hence why I have followed the Bundesliga for many years very closely.

Im not going to say anymore because I've known the people for years and if you aren't going to accept that then fair enough. Have a good start to the new year and all the best.

You got handed your arse on that 'immigration' thread, and not just by me.

By the way, your use of the words 'differentiating' and 'causative' in your post
are both incorrect and out of context. Big words, I could see why you wanted
to throw them in there.But your wrong.

'causative factor' is ok though

here to help.

He's not doing an English degree then?

All Black Everything what are you studying out of curiosity?

We have been becoming a family club over the last six-seven years, and for the last five years
running have won Football League Awards for it. Long before Tan came. Families have been
coming back in droves, for years. Long before any rebrand.

To suggest ANY supporters have started to bring their kids back because we no longer play in
Blue is at best groundless. At worst, (sorry about this) stupid!!!

But he cant help himself

Then he produces 'Tommy Scouse' (oh i want you all to meet him).. the staunch Liverpool fan
who would never ever bring his kids down the City because of the hooligan problem, even
though we've been winning all these 'Family Club' awards for years. But suddenly, the new
RED kit has given him a change of heart, as the Blue kit was synonymous with thuggery.

Listen right the one thing VT has created is a strong debate amongst us fans we will never share the same opinions we should be all talking about a great win yesterday,but this subject ain't going away is it .

I used the word divided before and I think its a word which somes up the result or VT'S re brand.

People have strong opinions about it and rightly so I have given 34 years to the club faced major struggles and survive them just for VT to come along and rip up the very thing so many people fought to keep over so many years.

The struggle and the continued belief by us fans to keep supporting the club through so many hard times has been reworded by VT ripping it all up and throwing it all away.Its disrespectful and it hurts to my core he had no right to do what he did.

To say what you have about the club and its identity after we have spent so many years supporting has angered lots of people.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but dont rub salt into the wound by what you have said.New fans can think what they like but I gave my heart and soul to this club and am proud of its identity at least I was.

I suggest you say no more because you have said more than enough we all get your opinion which I think is wrong.
THEN admits that *cough cough... Liverpools decline may just have something to do with it

(yeh, that and the fact that we are on the brink of Premiership football )

THEN... the insults start AllBlacks problem is, he has an inflated opinion of
himself because he is in University. I applaud him for working hard enough in school to get there.
But a University Education is NO indicator as to intelligence. Thats just a fact. I've had it with
him before about the winner of Mastermind being a train driver. That one of the most intelligent
men I've ever met was a bin man. People CHOOSE different paths sometimes. To assume he is
cleverer than the rest of us because he is in University is arrogant, immature and wrong.

He'll learn. One day.

Again, you fail to understand the point. My university education has about as much to do with it as your views on politics. This has nothing to do with my education in the slightest. I don't assume im cleverer than anyone and there are for more educated people out there who have learnt from books etc. as well as people who have dropped out of university because it weren't the right path again.

You seem to have some sort of problem understanding other peoples views when they don't match with your own. I have to be honest, you would make an excellent dictator.

As already said, we fans know what really happened with the club and we know the hooliganism element had long gone before the kit change but to suggest that every other person in the city also knew that is very narrow minded. I know people in Cardiff who could only name Bellamy and I know people who could name none of the players. Not everyone is focused on Cardiff. The amount of people I know who bought season ticket when Bellamy joined was alarming also. People buy/do things for stupid reasons, some that not even I can understand.

As for being opinionated and holding your hands up when you are wrong? That is not true. You have been proven wrong in threads in relation to multiculturalism and immigration yet continue to argue and twist people's words to suit your own agenda.

As for saying in a working environment I would have been slapped, that is again not true. I worked for years before going to university and never once got slapped. I then chose to go to university to study something that I wanted to do and something that was more challenging. I don't see that there is a problem with that but to suggest I think I know everything is just pathetic as I know myself that my grades are only just above average and I have a lot of work/revision to do to improve. Everyone can learn, even yourself at your age.

Its a shame that you have to constantly jump on and twist the words of those who have differentiating opinions to you on football and politics. At the end of the day, people will always have differentiating opinions so you should learn to accept them. You know next to nothing about most people''s lives on this forum so to judge them and claim to 'know' whats going on in their lives is at best ignorant.

At no point did I suggest the red change was the only factor but you've failed to grasp that. You have instead decided to read the parts that suit you as you always do. I said that the red will change some peoples perception of the club. Obviously, there is some level of causation there that is obviously the bigger part but I didn't think that needed spelling out.

As already mentioned by a member on CCMB, some of those who accept the rebrand will agree, those against wont. People have differentiating opinions and I can accept that. There will be people like my mate who as suggested by Chuckle have decided to support Cardiff on a whim and I tend to agree with Chuckle on that.

The change in color made him have second thoughts about the club. It was a causative factor in his eventual decision. However, I am open minded enough to understand there will be people who have gone back for many other reasons (the family club of the year award) and there are people who have decided no longer go for their own reasons. (they no longer enjoy the day out)

If I was totally wrong I wouldn't have people PMing from all sides. Some saying 'great post', some saying 'garbage' and I have had one or two on the other board saying 'I agree to a degree but some of it is wrong'. You're on the garbage side and fair enough, you are entitled to that opinion but please don't try and force your views down the throat of others thanks.

Each to their own in my opinion. People will talk from their own experiences in their life and not the experiences of others. Your environment is a major factor in helping shape your opinion on many aspects of life and this is no different. For example, I come from a horrible part of Cardiff and without help would have never been in university in the first place. I am very fortunate to be there.

At the end of the day, the red has made some people aware of changes at Cardiff City. Of course we knew of the family club of the year awards before because we are Cardiff fans so we know most, if not all, with what is happening at the club. To suggest everyone else does also is very narrow minded. Many people, as crazy as it may sound to you, hate our club from the local area and couldn't give a crap about it and then there will be those swayed for numerous reasons.

There will be people jumping on the bandwagon for a variety of reasons. Are they plastics? Some will say yes others will say more the merrier. As far as im concerned as long as they turn up throughout the season and don't just go for the big games vs the top 4 if we go up then fair enough. I see no problem with ex United fans and Liverpool fans buying season tickets even if it is something as whimsical as the kit color change that has been the causative factor in that decision.

You'll probably jump down my throat on this but there is nothing else I can say to you that is going to change things on here without you meeting these people (plastics to you maybe) first hand and asking them why. Some people just like the new kit and that is how fickle fans these days are and that is a part of modern football.

I know people who buy numerous kits from clubs in the UK and abroad just because they like the design etc. Its a sad part of the modern game - there is very little loyalty on the pitch these days and very little off it but we either strive on as a unit of loyal fans or we continue beating ourselves up over the fact that money has had a dreadful effect on the game.

There are many who buy kits for fashion reasons - reasons that sound stupid to me but its their life so im not going to stress myself out whinging over it. Image is everything in business and there is no doubt that the rebrand has appealed to some people. It has disillusioned many also and im not hiding from that very fact. The modern game in most parts of the world is in a very sad state of affairs hence why I have followed the Bundesliga for many years very closely.

Im not going to say anymore because I've known the people for years and if you aren't going to accept that then fair enough. Have a good start to the new year and all the best.

We have been becoming a family club over the last six-seven years, and for the last five years
running have won Football League Awards for it. Long before Tan came. Families have been
coming back in droves, for years. Long before any rebrand.

To suggest ANY supporters have started to bring their kids back because we no longer play in
Blue is at best groundless. At worst, (sorry about this) stupid!!!

But he cant help himself

Then he produces 'Tommy Scouse' (oh i want you all to meet him).. the staunch Liverpool fan
who would never ever bring his kids down the City because of the hooligan problem, even
though we've been winning all these 'Family Club' awards for years. But suddenly, the new
RED kit has given him a change of heart, as the Blue kit was synonymous with thuggery.

THEN admits that *cough cough... Liverpools decline may just have something to do with it

(yeh, that and the fact that we are on the brink of Premiership football )

THEN... the insults start AllBlacks problem is, he has an inflated opinion of
himself because he is in University. I applaud him for working hard enough in school to get there.
But a University Education is NO indicator as to intelligence. Thats just a fact. I've had it with
him before about the winner of Mastermind being a train driver. That one of the most intelligent
men I've ever met was a bin man. People CHOOSE different paths sometimes. To assume he is
cleverer than the rest of us because he is in University is arrogant, immature and wrong.

He'll learn. One day.

Again, you fail to understand the point. My university education has about as much to do with it as your views on politics. This has nothing to do with my education in the slightest. I don't assume im cleverer than anyone and there are for more educated people out there who have learnt from books etc. as well as people who have dropped out of university because it weren't the right path again.

You seem to have some sort of problem understanding other peoples views when they don't match with your own. I have to be honest, you would make an excellent dictator.

As already said, we fans know what really happened with the club and we know the hooliganism element had long gone before the kit change but to suggest that every other person in the city also knew that is very narrow minded. I know people in Cardiff who could only name Bellamy and I know people who could name none of the players. Not everyone is focused on Cardiff. The amount of people I know who bought season ticket when Bellamy joined was alarming also. People buy/do things for stupid reasons, some that not even I can understand.

As for being opinionated and holding your hands up when you are wrong? That is not true. You have been proven wrong in threads in relation to multiculturalism and immigration yet continue to argue and twist people's words to suit your own agenda.

As for saying in a working environment I would have been slapped, that is again not true. I worked for years before going to university and never once got slapped. I then chose to go to university to study something that I wanted to do and something that was more challenging. I don't see that there is a problem with that but to suggest I think I know everything is just pathetic as I know myself that my grades are only just above average and I have a lot of work/revision to do to improve. Everyone can learn, even yourself at your age.

Its a shame that you have to constantly jump on and twist the words of those who have differentiating opinions to you on football and politics. At the end of the day, people will always have differentiating opinions so you should learn to accept them. You know next to nothing about most people''s lives on this forum so to judge them and claim to 'know' whats going on in their lives is at best ignorant.

At no point did I suggest the red change was the only factor but you've failed to grasp that. You have instead decided to read the parts that suit you as you always do. I said that the red will change some peoples perception of the club. Obviously, there is some level of causation there that is obviously the bigger part but I didn't think that needed spelling out.

As already mentioned by a member on CCMB, some of those who accept the rebrand will agree, those against wont. People have differentiating opinions and I can accept that. There will be people like my mate who as suggested by Chuckle have decided to support Cardiff on a whim and I tend to agree with Chuckle on that.

The change in color made him have second thoughts about the club. It was a causative factor in his eventual decision. However, I am open minded enough to understand there will be people who have gone back for many other reasons (the family club of the year award) and there are people who have decided no longer go for their own reasons. (they no longer enjoy the day out)

If I was totally wrong I wouldn't have people PMing from all sides. Some saying 'great post', some saying 'garbage' and I have had one or two on the other board saying 'I agree to a degree but some of it is wrong'. You're on the garbage side and fair enough, you are entitled to that opinion but please don't try and force your views down the throat of others thanks.

Each to their own in my opinion. People will talk from their own experiences in their life and not the experiences of others. Your environment is a major factor in helping shape your opinion on many aspects of life and this is no different. For example, I come from a horrible part of Cardiff and without help would have never been in university in the first place. I am very fortunate to be there.

At the end of the day, the red has made some people aware of changes at Cardiff City. Of course we knew of the family club of the year awards before because we are Cardiff fans so we know most, if not all, with what is happening at the club. To suggest everyone else does also is very narrow minded. Many people, as crazy as it may sound to you, hate our club from the local area and couldn't give a crap about it and then there will be those swayed for numerous reasons.

There will be people jumping on the bandwagon for a variety of reasons. Are they plastics? Some will say yes others will say more the merrier. As far as im concerned as long as they turn up throughout the season and don't just go for the big games vs the top 4 if we go up then fair enough. I see no problem with ex United fans and Liverpool fans buying season tickets even if it is something as whimsical as the kit color change that has been the causative factor in that decision.

You'll probably jump down my throat on this but there is nothing else I can say to you that is going to change things on here without you meeting these people (plastics to you maybe) first hand and asking them why. Some people just like the new kit and that is how fickle fans these days are and that is a part of modern football.

I know people who buy numerous kits from clubs in the UK and abroad just because they like the design etc. Its a sad part of the modern game - there is very little loyalty on the pitch these days and very little off it but we either strive on as a unit of loyal fans or we continue beating ourselves up over the fact that money has had a dreadful effect on the game.

There are many who buy kits for fashion reasons - reasons that sound stupid to me but its their life so im not going to stress myself out whinging over it. Image is everything in business and there is no doubt that the rebrand has appealed to some people. It has disillusioned many also and im not hiding from that very fact. The modern game in most parts of the world is in a very sad state of affairs hence why I have followed the Bundesliga for many years very closely.

Im not going to say anymore because I've known the people for years and if you aren't going to accept that then fair enough. Have a good start to the new year and all the best.

You got handed your arse on that 'immigration' thread, and not just by me.

By the way, your use of the words 'differentiating' and 'causative' in your post
are both incorrect and out of context. Big words, I could see why you wanted
to throw them in there.But your wrong.

'causative factor' is ok though

here to help.

He's not doing an English degree then?

All Black Everything what are you studying out of curiosity?

I believe HE believes that by using 'big' words and phrases, it will add weight to his
argument. But it's difficult to use words and phrases you're unfamiliar with in the
right context. Difficult for anyone.

But he keeps tying himself in knots

He said the London clubs i'd mentioned were 'bigger' than Cardiff City. I reminded him
that Millwall were amongst said Clubs. He then said they are bigger, because they have
bigger population areas. THEN goes on to say Middlesborough are also bigger than City
... even though they have a population area two thirds smaller than Cardiff.

He needs to think before he posts. He is an upmarket version of Angry Man

He's not doing an English degree then?

All Black Everything what are you studying out of curiosity?

Computer Science.

He's not doing an English degree then?

All Black Everything what are you studying out of curiosity?

Computer Science.

Ahhhhh, now that makes sense.

Agreed that some people did not want to turn up because of the trouble but thats not the whole truth, if it was, how do you explain the thousands who turned up at FA cup games, play off final and say the 5/6K we took away to scunphorpe back in early 90s ?

Not saying a few stayed away because of our rep, but most stayed away because we were not in the top flight.. Simple

I believe HE believes that by using 'big' words and phrases, it will add weight to his
argument. But it's difficult to use words and phrases you're unfamiliar with in the
right context. Difficult for anyone.

But he keeps tying himself in knots

He said the London clubs i'd mentioned were 'bigger' than Cardiff City. I reminded him
that Millwall were amongst said Clubs. He then said they are bigger, because they have
bigger population areas. THEN goes on to say Middlesborough are also bigger than City
... even though they have a population area two thirds smaller than Cardiff.

He needs to think before he posts. He is an upmarket version of Angry Man

taffy, im not going to continue arguing but you know fully well what I said. I said bigger clubs i.e. Manchester 'or' London clubs i.e. Millwall.

You seem to get confused by the difference of 'and' and 'or' as already pointed out prior in this thread.

Middlesborough are a bigger club than us. Currently, I'd say no. In terms of all time, yes they are and that is a fact we must accept.

The clubs you gave are as follows;

Man Utd - bigger than us, have more history and larger population
Chelsea - bigger than us, have more history and based in London and larger population
West Ham - bigger than us whether we like it or not, have more history and based in London and larger population
Millwall - based in London so like the London clubs above have a massive population pool to draw fans from
Stoke - Currently bigger than us
Birmingham City - many would consider bigger than us and also larger population pool to draw fans from
Middlesborough - many would consider to be bigger than us.

We are not as big a club as we like to think. We can change that by going up and creating a new chapter in our history and that is something I think we all want to achieve but the clubs you listed are as follows. Its a lot harder for us to bring in fans. We share the South Wales area with a Premiership team, Swansea City. We have many who still prefer rugby to football. Our population is minimal in comparison to those apart from Middlesborough and Stoke City.