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Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Tue Jun 10, 2025 8:08 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:Jeremy Bowen says:

"The only thing that will stop this is Trump suddenly waking up with a change of mind and telling Israel he's stopping all funding".

He also said:



"In the last three months, since Israel broke the ceasefire, at least 650,000 people inside Gaza have had to move. That stat rocked me and knocked me over actually.

That is more than the population of Manchester. Imagine everyone in Manchester having to up sticks and move while trying to carry all their stuff.

And in that time Israel have allowed zero shelter materials so these people don't have the supplies they need to shelter."



Ned the whole 1.9m people have had to move multiple times since Netanyahu started this! often moved again within days after 1st move!
If you look at picture as a whole the similarities between him and Hitler are close except Hitler murdered 6m people Netanyahu would happily murder 2m people... Netanyahu end game is force 2m people into tiny part of gaza using aid as bait and when succeeded he will create refugee camp and then ask the aid authorities would they like to take over the running of the camps? Letting rest of world to pay for the privilege... meanwhile the land left will be taken over by Israel to expand as normal Israelis cannot afford to live in Central Israel so with massive financial aid from gvmnt they're moving into settlements much cheaper.. but obviously cant do more with Palestinians living there. The final solution.

Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:46 am

The gvmnt is still spouting sane apologetic crap ghid give its lammey... its awfully blah blah we and our partners are pressing for ceasefire and more aid to gaza?
Who are they pressing not israel as they're happy letting civilians be murdered getting food ......and haven't heard of uk or ue attend peace talks in Qatar ? What's needed is meaningful action not pathetic sanctions on two individuals who don't care if come to UK and do they actually have assets in UK doubt it... starmer just sitting with his arse on his hands waiting for trump to say something but he seems to have his own problems ....meanwhile every day people are being murdered over measly rations

Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:58 am

pembroke allan wrote:The gvmnt is still spouting sane apologetic crap ghid give its lammey... its awfully blah blah we and our partners are pressing for ceasefire and more aid to gaza?
Who are they pressing not israel as they're happy letting civilians be murdered getting food ......and haven't heard of uk or ue attend peace talks in Qatar ? What's needed is meaningful action not pathetic sanctions on two individuals who don't care if come to UK and do they actually have assets in UK doubt it... starmer just sitting with his arse on his hands waiting for trump to say something but he seems to have his own problems ....meanwhile every day people are being murdered over measly rations



I agree with you Allan,

Action is needed not pathetic words

Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:48 am

pembroke allan wrote:The gvmnt is still spouting sane apologetic crap ghid give its lammey... its awfully blah blah we and our partners are pressing for ceasefire and more aid to gaza?
Who are they pressing not israel as they're happy letting civilians be murdered getting food ......and haven't heard of uk or ue attend peace talks in Qatar ? What's needed is meaningful action not pathetic sanctions on two individuals who don't care if come to UK and do they actually have assets in UK doubt it... starmer just sitting with his arse on his hands waiting for trump to say something but he seems to have his own problems ....meanwhile every day people are being murdered over measly rations


What do you want them to do???

They've sanctioned two Israeli ministers this week.


This Labour Government have done more against Israel than the Tories ever did. That's a fact.

Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:39 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:The gvmnt is still spouting sane apologetic crap ghid give its lammey... its awfully blah blah we and our partners are pressing for ceasefire and more aid to gaza?
Who are they pressing not israel as they're happy letting civilians be murdered getting food ......and haven't heard of uk or ue attend peace talks in Qatar ? What's needed is meaningful action not pathetic sanctions on two individuals who don't care if come to UK and do they actually have assets in UK doubt it... starmer just sitting with his arse on his hands waiting for trump to say something but he seems to have his own problems ....meanwhile every day people are being murdered over measly rations


What do you want them to do???

They've sanctioned two Israeli ministers this week.


This Labour Government have done more against Israel than the Tories ever did. That's a fact.



Yes your right but what have labour actually done? Suspended trade talks but last talks were over a year ago at same time a minister was in Israel talking to them about things .. sanctioning two individuals does nothing what about Netanyahu and others that say same things as they do? And starmer as supplied Israel with more arms in 3 months than were supplied in previous 3yrs combined.. those are facts too!
As I pointed out what does being appalled and aid must allowed into gaza talk do and how many times has starmer said it 4 5 times or more? It does Sfa because Netanyahu and his pals want gaza for Israel and are happy to ignore the world knowing that trump will back him up no matter what they do .... murdering civilians getting aid is latest scheme and simply blame it on people getting to close idf soldiers ...Time for words long gone action is only way Netanyahu will be stopped before he puts all Palestinians in refugee camp in corner of gaza
and gets un ect to feed them while Israel rebuilds the rest of gaza for themselves and trump.

Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Fri Jun 13, 2025 12:20 am

Israel have just struck Iran.

Explosions heard in Tehran.

Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Fri Jun 13, 2025 12:23 pm

BBC say that Iran CLAIM women and children were amongst the dead.
Israel STATE that it was a pre emptive strike.

Meanwhile we forget about innocent citizens in Gaza being killed by Israelis while queuing for food. And the 70% of the slaughter so far are women and children killed

Completely fed up of hearing the Israeli lies!

Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Fri Jun 13, 2025 11:03 pm

Lengee wrote:BBC say that Iran CLAIM women and children were amongst the dead.
Israel STATE that it was a pre emptive strike.

Meanwhile we forget about innocent citizens in Gaza being killed by Israelis while queuing for food. And the 70% of the slaughter so far are women and children killed

Completely fed up of hearing the Israeli lies!


What Israel as done is manipulated the wording used to determine a war crime? and the circumstances force can be used on protective buildings (hospital ect) for example they use excuse there is command posts under buildings well 99.9% of gaza as a tunnel under it so they say its legitimate target and people accept it they can easily search it but yhen they wont be able to destroy the hospital (a war crime) then there's the bombing of homes they use term acceptable collateral damage with minimal force...as excuse to kill how many they like by saying there was a hamas person there with no proof but its OK to kill 100 as used 1000k bomb instead of 2000k one.... no figure is used by UN to determine this! anything that is totally a war crime like the 15 medics 180 children playing shot and Dr's 9 children are all simply pushed under the carpet as we'll investigate our own idf .....no one got the balls to call them murders and a war crime
By way trump is also using same system when attacked Iran recently ...words are two a penny for cowards it takes balls to say what is right against a couple of rabid dogs in trump and Netanyahu...and the world lacks a pair

Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:28 am

What started this conflict ?

Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:26 am

Duffrynblue wrote:What started this conflict ?



Present conflict ? Started probably since biblical times or so basically Israel took over land belonging to Palestine because they say biblically it was theirs.... and been grabbing land ever since ? Trouble is lot of Arab countries hate Israel some like Iran hamas Syria more than other Arab countries.. and to be fair there are other countries in world nor exactly friendly with them ...... two sides to a story but Israel not exactly nice people towards Arabs hence continuing troubles since around 1948....

Today they are just murderers using excuses to kill civilians and take over their land after hamas stupidly murdered 1200 Israelis.. but in return they have killed in excess of 50k civilians conservative estimates with 80%+ women and children.. hope gives you idea of what's wrong.....

Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Sat Jun 14, 2025 11:37 am

End this now, too many dead, we need more dialogue, not bombs, rape and murder. Stop starving people.

Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:16 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Duffrynblue wrote:What started this conflict ?



Present conflict ? Started probably since biblical times or so basically Israel took over land belonging to Palestine because they say biblically it was theirs.... and been grabbing land ever since ? Trouble is lot of Arab countries hate Israel some like Iran hamas Syria more than other Arab countries.. and to be fair there are other countries in world nor exactly friendly with them ...... two sides to a story but Israel not exactly nice people towards Arabs hence continuing troubles since around 1948....

Today they are just murderers using excuses to kill civilians and take over their land after hamas stupidly murdered 1200 Israelis.. but in return they have killed in excess of 50k civilians conservative estimates with 80%+ women and children.. hope gives you idea of what's wrong.....

Ain't hamas a terrorist group who shield themselves with civilians ...I know what evil Israel have done for many years ..but after being bombed by a terrorist group ..they have defended themselves against people who just want to wipe them off the face of the earth ...by no way do I condone what they have done they're all as bad as one another ...if the terrorists wasn't attacking Israel they would be attacking someone else

Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:37 pm

Duffrynblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Duffrynblue wrote:What started this conflict ?



Present conflict ? Started probably since biblical times or so basically Israel took over land belonging to Palestine because they say biblically it was theirs.... and been grabbing land ever since ? Trouble is lot of Arab countries hate Israel some like Iran hamas Syria more than other Arab countries.. and to be fair there are other countries in world nor exactly friendly with them ...... two sides to a story but Israel not exactly nice people towards Arabs hence continuing troubles since around 1948....

Today they are just murderers using excuses to kill civilians and take over their land after hamas stupidly murdered 1200 Israelis.. but in return they have killed in excess of 50k civilians conservative estimates with 80%+ women and children.. hope gives you idea of what's wrong.....

Ain't hamas a terrorist group who shield themselves with civilians ...I know what evil Israel have done for many years ..but after being bombed by a terrorist group ..they have defended themselves against people who just want to wipe them off the face of the earth ...by no way do I condone what they have done they're all as bad as one another ...if the terrorists wasn't attacking Israel they would be attacking someone else



Hamas lives amongst civilians as the political wing runs gaza so to say as Israel does is nothing but excuse to kill civilians.... same as tunnels they're 99.9% under enrire gaza so to say they're using hospitals is a pathetic excuse but as of yet none of israels reason for attacking civilians have been substantiated by them we got to take word of the most moral army in world? If killing 45k+ civilians is moral hate to see immoral one....
5hink you need to read up on what's been happening over the past 60+years? Since 2007 Israel have been using food as a starvation tool against civilians and kept them in an open prison unable yo leave or do anything without permission of israel this in their own land......that is fact not fiction made up by Netanyahu....wtf do you think Israel is trying to do to Palestinians at moment Make them fat!! Hamas murder 1200 people how many do you think idf have over 30mnths you've seen the paramedic murders .....the 9 children murdered... but you haven't seen the 180 kids shot for playing with toy guns.....and the 8 undressed Israeli hostages murdered in the open by idf ..... so you believe an army that as lied and murdered and starved people for past 30mnths are innocent victims by sound of it? No matter what hamas did Oct 7 does not justify starving murdering forcibly moving civilians out of their homes so can destroy them destroying hospitals water plants sanitation in fact all infrastructure for life as been totally destroyed what does that say to you? Even now everyday civilians are being shot for trying to get food or is that bs to make idf look bad? Anyway i Suspect you already know these things .

Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:49 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Duffrynblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Duffrynblue wrote:What started this conflict ?



Present conflict ? Started probably since biblical times or so basically Israel took over land belonging to Palestine because they say biblically it was theirs.... and been grabbing land ever since ? Trouble is lot of Arab countries hate Israel some like Iran hamas Syria more than other Arab countries.. and to be fair there are other countries in world nor exactly friendly with them ...... two sides to a story but Israel not exactly nice people towards Arabs hence continuing troubles since around 1948....

Today they are just murderers using excuses to kill civilians and take over their land after hamas stupidly murdered 1200 Israelis.. but in return they have killed in excess of 50k civilians conservative estimates with 80%+ women and children.. hope gives you idea of what's wrong.....

Ain't hamas a terrorist group who shield themselves with civilians ...I know what evil Israel have done for many years ..but after being bombed by a terrorist group ..they have defended themselves against people who just want to wipe them off the face of the earth ...by no way do I condone what they have done they're all as bad as one another ...if the terrorists wasn't attacking Israel they would be attacking someone else



Hamas lives amongst civilians as the political wing runs gaza so to say as Israel does is nothing but excuse to kill civilians.... same as tunnels they're 99.9% under enrire gaza so to say they're using hospitals is a pathetic excuse but as of yet none of israels reason for attacking civilians have been substantiated by them we got to take word of the most moral army in world? If killing 45k+ civilians is moral hate to see immoral one....
5hink you need to read up on what's been happening over the past 60+years? Since 2007 Israel have been using food as a starvation tool against civilians and kept them in an open prison unable yo leave or do anything without permission of israel this in their own land......that is fact not fiction made up by Netanyahu....wtf do you think Israel is trying to do to Palestinians at moment Make them fat!! Hamas murder 1200 people how many do you think idf have over 30mnths you've seen the paramedic murders .....the 9 children murdered... but you haven't seen the 180 kids shot for playing with toy guns.....and the 8 undressed Israeli hostages murdered in the open by idf ..... so you believe an army that as lied and murdered and starved people for past 30mnths are innocent victims by sound of it? No matter what hamas did Oct 7 does not justify starving murdering forcibly moving civilians out of their homes so can destroy them destroying hospitals water plants sanitation in fact all infrastructure for life as been totally destroyed what does that say to you? Even now everyday civilians are being shot for trying to get food or is that bs to make idf look bad? Anyway i Suspect you already know these things .


I have not said I support anything Israel has done ...I agree with a lot of what you said but I wouldn't go as far as to say NEVER MIND WHAT HAMAS DID ON OCT 7 ...as I agree with most of what you said you said a lot of it is fact ....where do these facts come from ?

Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:10 pm

Duffrynblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Duffrynblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Duffrynblue wrote:What started this conflict ?



Present conflict ? Started probably since biblical times or so basically Israel took over land belonging to Palestine because they say biblically it was theirs.... and been grabbing land ever since ? Trouble is lot of Arab countries hate Israel some like Iran hamas Syria more than other Arab countries.. and to be fair there are other countries in world nor exactly friendly with them ...... two sides to a story but Israel not exactly nice people towards Arabs hence continuing troubles since around 1948....

Today they are just murderers using excuses to kill civilians and take over their land after hamas stupidly murdered 1200 Israelis.. but in return they have killed in excess of 50k civilians conservative estimates with 80%+ women and children.. hope gives you idea of what's wrong.....

Ain't hamas a terrorist group who shield themselves with civilians ...I know what evil Israel have done for many years ..but after being bombed by a terrorist group ..they have defended themselves against people who just want to wipe them off the face of the earth ...by no way do I condone what they have done they're all as bad as one another ...if the terrorists wasn't attacking Israel they would be attacking someone else



Hamas lives amongst civilians as the political wing runs gaza so to say as Israel does is nothing but excuse to kill civilians.... same as tunnels they're 99.9% under enrire gaza so to say they're using hospitals is a pathetic excuse but as of yet none of israels reason for attacking civilians have been substantiated by them we got to take word of the most moral army in world? If killing 45k+ civilians is moral hate to see immoral one....
5hink you need to read up on what's been happening over the past 60+years? Since 2007 Israel have been using food as a starvation tool against civilians and kept them in an open prison unable yo leave or do anything without permission of israel this in their own land......that is fact not fiction made up by Netanyahu....wtf do you think Israel is trying to do to Palestinians at moment Make them fat!! Hamas murder 1200 people how many do you think idf have over 30mnths you've seen the paramedic murders .....the 9 children murdered... but you haven't seen the 180 kids shot for playing with toy guns.....and the 8 undressed Israeli hostages murdered in the open by idf ..... so you believe an army that as lied and murdered and starved people for past 30mnths are innocent victims by sound of it? No matter what hamas did Oct 7 does not justify starving murdering forcibly moving civilians out of their homes so can destroy them destroying hospitals water plants sanitation in fact all infrastructure for life as been totally destroyed what does that say to you? Even now everyday civilians are being shot for trying to get food or is that bs to make idf look bad? Anyway i Suspect you already know these things .


I have not said I support anything Israel has done ...I agree with a lot of what you said but I wouldn't go as far as to say NEVER MIND WHAT HAMAS DID ON OCT 7 ...as I agree with most of what you said you said a lot of it is fact ....where do these facts come from ?


To many news outlets to name them all but new York Times isreali Times BBC sky most world organisations amnesty international Israeli commrntators ect ect not just a one sided viewpoint ... the only viewpoint you get from either side is a biased one but trouble is Israel and idf have consistently lied or failed to produce evidence to back up their claims ... hamas just says it and that's that.... as said what hamas did was stupid but to call killing 54k+ people not to mention thousands buried never to be found as self-defence is pathetic
And incomprehensible! as is the pathetic response to war crimes committed by Israel... strmer and EU along with others are culpable for not stopping Netanyahu or trump for that matter? Can say about hamas as (hamas criminals are dead) if you think forcibly removing 2m people just so Israel can take land and trump build a holiday resort (both things on record! ) is not ethnic cleansing and a war crime no hope for you .

Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:34 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Duffrynblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Duffrynblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Duffrynblue wrote:What started this conflict ?



Present conflict ? Started probably since biblical times or so basically Israel took over land belonging to Palestine because they say biblically it was theirs.... and been grabbing land ever since ? Trouble is lot of Arab countries hate Israel some like Iran hamas Syria more than other Arab countries.. and to be fair there are other countries in world nor exactly friendly with them ...... two sides to a story but Israel not exactly nice people towards Arabs hence continuing troubles since around 1948....

Today they are just murderers using excuses to kill civilians and take over their land after hamas stupidly murdered 1200 Israelis.. but in return they have killed in excess of 50k civilians conservative estimates with 80%+ women and children.. hope gives you idea of what's wrong.....

Ain't hamas a terrorist group who shield themselves with civilians ...I know what evil Israel have done for many years ..but after being bombed by a terrorist group ..they have defended themselves against people who just want to wipe them off the face of the earth ...by no way do I condone what they have done they're all as bad as one another ...if the terrorists wasn't attacking Israel they would be attacking someone else



Hamas lives amongst civilians as the political wing runs gaza so to say as Israel does is nothing but excuse to kill civilians.... same as tunnels they're 99.9% under enrire gaza so to say they're using hospitals is a pathetic excuse but as of yet none of israels reason for attacking civilians have been substantiated by them we got to take word of the most moral army in world? If killing 45k+ civilians is moral hate to see immoral one....
5hink you need to read up on what's been happening over the past 60+years? Since 2007 Israel have been using food as a starvation tool against civilians and kept them in an open prison unable yo leave or do anything without permission of israel this in their own land......that is fact not fiction made up by Netanyahu....wtf do you think Israel is trying to do to Palestinians at moment Make them fat!! Hamas murder 1200 people how many do you think idf have over 30mnths you've seen the paramedic murders .....the 9 children murdered... but you haven't seen the 180 kids shot for playing with toy guns.....and the 8 undressed Israeli hostages murdered in the open by idf ..... so you believe an army that as lied and murdered and starved people for past 30mnths are innocent victims by sound of it? No matter what hamas did Oct 7 does not justify starving murdering forcibly moving civilians out of their homes so can destroy them destroying hospitals water plants sanitation in fact all infrastructure for life as been totally destroyed what does that say to you? Even now everyday civilians are being shot for trying to get food or is that bs to make idf look bad? Anyway i Suspect you already know these things .


I have not said I support anything Israel has done ...I agree with a lot of what you said but I wouldn't go as far as to say NEVER MIND WHAT HAMAS DID ON OCT 7 ...as I agree with most of what you said you said a lot of it is fact ....where do these facts come from ?


To many news outlets to name them all but new York Times isreali Times BBC sky most world organisations amnesty international Israeli commrntators ect ect not just a one sided viewpoint ... the only viewpoint you get from either side is a biased one but trouble is Israel and idf have consistently lied or failed to produce evidence to back up their claims ... hamas just says it and that's that.... as said what hamas did was stupid but to call killing 54k+ people not to mention thousands buried never to be found as self-defence is pathetic
And incomprehensible! as is the pathetic response to war crimes committed by Israel... strmer and EU along with others are culpable for not stopping Netanyahu or trump for that matter? Can say about hamas as (hamas criminals are dead) if you think forcibly removing 2m people just so Israel can take land and trump build a holiday resort (both things on record! ) is not ethnic cleansing and a war crime no hope for you .

As I said earlier I agree with a lot of what you said ...I have not said forcibly removing residents for Israel to grab land or trump to build a holiday resort is right....so maybe there is hope for me

Re: UPDATED: ISRAELS MASSACRE OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS CONTI

Sat Jun 14, 2025 4:26 pm

Duffrynblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Duffrynblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Duffrynblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Duffrynblue wrote:What started this conflict ?



Present conflict ? Started probably since biblical times or so basically Israel took over land belonging to Palestine because they say biblically it was theirs.... and been grabbing land ever since ? Trouble is lot of Arab countries hate Israel some like Iran hamas Syria more than other Arab countries.. and to be fair there are other countries in world nor exactly friendly with them ...... two sides to a story but Israel not exactly nice people towards Arabs hence continuing troubles since around 1948....

Today they are just murderers using excuses to kill civilians and take over their land after hamas stupidly murdered 1200 Israelis.. but in return they have killed in excess of 50k civilians conservative estimates with 80%+ women and children.. hope gives you idea of what's wrong.....

Ain't hamas a terrorist group who shield themselves with civilians ...I know what evil Israel have done for many years ..but after being bombed by a terrorist group ..they have defended themselves against people who just want to wipe them off the face of the earth ...by no way do I condone what they have done they're all as bad as one another ...if the terrorists wasn't attacking Israel they would be attacking someone else



Hamas lives amongst civilians as the political wing runs gaza so to say as Israel does is nothing but excuse to kill civilians.... same as tunnels they're 99.9% under enrire gaza so to say they're using hospitals is a pathetic excuse but as of yet none of israels reason for attacking civilians have been substantiated by them we got to take word of the most moral army in world? If killing 45k+ civilians is moral hate to see immoral one....
5hink you need to read up on what's been happening over the past 60+years? Since 2007 Israel have been using food as a starvation tool against civilians and kept them in an open prison unable yo leave or do anything without permission of israel this in their own land......that is fact not fiction made up by Netanyahu....wtf do you think Israel is trying to do to Palestinians at moment Make them fat!! Hamas murder 1200 people how many do you think idf have over 30mnths you've seen the paramedic murders .....the 9 children murdered... but you haven't seen the 180 kids shot for playing with toy guns.....and the 8 undressed Israeli hostages murdered in the open by idf ..... so you believe an army that as lied and murdered and starved people for past 30mnths are innocent victims by sound of it? No matter what hamas did Oct 7 does not justify starving murdering forcibly moving civilians out of their homes so can destroy them destroying hospitals water plants sanitation in fact all infrastructure for life as been totally destroyed what does that say to you? Even now everyday civilians are being shot for trying to get food or is that bs to make idf look bad? Anyway i Suspect you already know these things .


I have not said I support anything Israel has done ...I agree with a lot of what you said but I wouldn't go as far as to say NEVER MIND WHAT HAMAS DID ON OCT 7 ...as I agree with most of what you said you said a lot of it is fact ....where do these facts come from ?


To many news outlets to name them all but new York Times isreali Times BBC sky most world organisations amnesty international Israeli commrntators ect ect not just a one sided viewpoint ... the only viewpoint you get from either side is a biased one but trouble is Israel and idf have consistently lied or failed to produce evidence to back up their claims ... hamas just says it and that's that.... as said what hamas did was stupid but to call killing 54k+ people not to mention thousands buried never to be found as self-defence is pathetic
And incomprehensible! as is the pathetic response to war crimes committed by Israel... strmer and EU along with others are culpable for not stopping Netanyahu or trump for that matter? Can say about hamas as (hamas criminals are dead) if you think forcibly removing 2m people just so Israel can take land and trump build a holiday resort (both things on record! ) is not ethnic cleansing and a war crime no hope for you .

As I said earlier I agree with a lot of what you said ...I have not said forcibly removing residents for Israel to grab land or trump to build a holiday resort is right....so maybe there is hope for me




Its not about right or wrong as they say two rights dont make it right... yes hamas want Israel out gaza....Iranian mullahs want Israel destroyed but by same token Israel are doing it to hamas Iranians and hysballah! All three have not attempted to do so it's usually tit for tat exchanges by tickets.... but of course europe uk have supported and given arms to Israel to destroy those three! while trump in his ivory White house encourages invaders Russia Israel to carry on foung what they are rubbing his hands in glee waiting to to try take the credit for any peace deal that is forced on inferior armies Ukraine Palestinians Iranians and Lebanese ? Trump is a macho sadist bully and shame he didn't get shot then what's happening in world today would have been stopped instead of being encouraged.
By him....