have we really landed on the moon ?

lots of theories saying we havnt ?

lots of theories saying we havnt ?

they are full of shit, the USA even have a conspiracy about superstorm sandy, it was started by the government to keep Obama in power

they did land on the moon, every theory conspirators have there is a good answer for.

No.

Although when I went to hear a speach by James Irwin, 2 nd man on the moon, he said We had. He is a committed Christian so he would not lie would he.

The problem with conspiracy theories is they always tell you the reason why it couldve been a conspiracy but very rarely tell you the reasons WHY it could of happened, if that makes sense, they usually only give you their "facts" of why it was a set up, and never really give you anything to go against it because its usually bollocks, saying that i wouldnt be shocked if it was set up, americas strange obsession of wanting everything first and to be the worlds superpower and keep spouting the american dream probably made them set it up so theyre not beaten to it.

if youre into conspiracy theories read the "paul is dead" one, they think paul mccartney died in 63/64 and they replaced him with a lookalike and had hidden messages in their songs, its obviously bollocks now because he has had a successful career and if he was a lookalike he wouldve been done ages ago, i think they just added the hints in the songs to wind people up and to sell more records, there is no doubt theyre in there but i highly doubt he died and was replaced by someone who looks,sounds,acts,left handed, and can hold a note

No. It's all a hoax as is man made global warming.

The only scientists who have claimed man made global warming exists are all on the pay roll.

I wonder what they'll tax us on next. The next big thing can't be far away.

We have had increased fuel prices, taxes on emissions and this recycling stuff for years.

anybody have any evidence it was a hoax?

Yes they did otherwise the russians would have ripped the story to bits. It was a great achievment, not least because the technology they used to do it was very basic and untested. they actually banked on losing more men than the actual 3 they lost in the project.

Yes they did otherwise the russians would have ripped the story to bits. It was a great achievment, not least because the technology they used to do it was very basic and untested. they actually banked on losing more men than the actual 3 they lost in the project.

Ralph Rene is an American engineer who analysed it for years and years compiling bits of research and his verdict was that it was all a lie and it makes sense as to why. You should really look at his findings or maybe he has a video.

Also, Russia would not have ripped the story to bits.

1) Had America been found out that it was a hoax then they would have looked stupid and Russia would be laughing
2) Had Russia made them claims then America would have just said 'they're being bitter because we beat them to it' and that would have left Russia looking like a bad loser. The best thing Russia could do was sit back and wait to see if America got caught out.

Without question they did, on the first moon landing armsrong and aldrin placed two reflectors into the surface, to this day one of the observatory's (i think it's in hawaii) sends a laser signal to the reflectors, it is bounced back and from that they can tell at what pace/distance the moon is moving away from the earth, they fire this laser about 250 a year, the scientists once said, why dont the conspirers ask us?? at every level of the space race the russians were first, first to put up a satelite, first to put up an animal and first to put a man in space, they were nailed on to be first to land on the moon until the yanks beat them to it, at the time the two countries hated each other and almost started the third world war, (cuba) now if the landing was a fake, do you not think the russians would have found out???

Yes they did otherwise the russians would have ripped the story to bits. It was a great achievment, not least because the technology they used to do it was very basic and untested. they actually banked on losing more men than the actual 3 they lost in the project.

Ralph Rene is an American engineer who analysed it for years and years compiling bits of research and his verdict was that it was all a lie and it makes sense as to why. You should really look at his findings or maybe he has a video.

Also, Russia would not have ripped the story to bits.

1) Had America been found out that it was a hoax then they would have looked stupid and Russia would be laughing
2) Had Russia made them claims then America would have just said 'they're being bitter because we beat them to it' and that would have left Russia looking like a bad loser. The best thing Russia could do was sit back and wait to see if America got caught out.

this fool

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Ren%C3%A9

look at his other findings.....

Einsteins is wrong, Isaac Newton was wrong lol at least get someone credible to back you up

Yes they did otherwise the russians would have ripped the story to bits. It was a great achievment, not least because the technology they used to do it was very basic and untested. they actually banked on losing more men than the actual 3 they lost in the project.

Ralph Rene is an American engineer who analysed it for years and years compiling bits of research and his verdict was that it was all a lie and it makes sense as to why. You should really look at his findings or maybe he has a video.

Also, Russia would not have ripped the story to bits.

1) Had America been found out that it was a hoax then they would have looked stupid and Russia would be laughing
2) Had Russia made them claims then America would have just said 'they're being bitter because we beat them to it' and that would have left Russia looking like a bad loser. The best thing Russia could do was sit back and wait to see if America got caught out.

this fool

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Ren%C3%A9

look at his other findings.....

Einsteins is wrong, Isaac Newton was wrong lol at least get someone credible to back you up

I think you'll find Einstein was wrong on a lot of concepts and the Physics community is rapidly changing to bring in new advancements. As someone who studies physics modules I know. Physicists at CERN have proven that Einstein was wrong and are making improvements every day.

The speed of light has been broken again just a number of days ago, thus Einstein's e = mc2 is wrong.

If you want a debate then im looking forward to it as someone who does a major/minor in comp sci/physics this should be interesting.

I forgot to mention, six months ago photos were released from a satellite or hubble (can't remember) with the latest picture technoligy, it actually showed three of the landing sites where you could make out launching equipment, U.S flags still in place and groves/tracks on the surface where the moon rovers went.

No. It's all a hoax as is man made global warming.

The only scientists who have claimed man made global warming exists are all on the pay roll.

I wonder what they'll tax us on next. The next big thing can't be far away.

We have had increased fuel prices, taxes on emissions and this recycling stuff for years.

What's your reasoning for it being a hoax? Any evidence?

Yes they did otherwise the russians would have ripped the story to bits. It was a great achievment, not least because the technology they used to do it was very basic and untested. they actually banked on losing more men than the actual 3 they lost in the project.

Ralph Rene is an American engineer who analysed it for years and years compiling bits of research and his verdict was that it was all a lie and it makes sense as to why. You should really look at his findings or maybe he has a video.

Also, Russia would not have ripped the story to bits.

1) Had America been found out that it was a hoax then they would have looked stupid and Russia would be laughing
2) Had Russia made them claims then America would have just said 'they're being bitter because we beat them to it' and that would have left Russia looking like a bad loser. The best thing Russia could do was sit back and wait to see if America got caught out.

this fool

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Ren%C3%A9

look at his other findings.....

Einsteins is wrong, Isaac Newton was wrong lol at least get someone credible to back you up

I think you'll find Einstein was wrong on a lot of concepts and the Physics community is rapidly changing to bring in new advancements. As someone who studies physics modules I know. Physicists at CERN have proven that Einstein was wrong and are making improvements every day.

The speed of light has been broken again just a number of days ago, thus Einstein's e = mc2 is wrong.

If you want a debate then im looking forward to it as someone who does a major/minor in comp sci/physics this should be interesting.

Its the great thing about Science is that our understanding is constantly changing. And as for CERN if it is correct that we can break the speed of light its going to change alot of things that we thought we knew.

As for landing on the moon watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wym04J_3Ls0

No. It's all a hoax as is man made global warming.

The only scientists who have claimed man made global warming exists are all on the pay roll.

I wonder what they'll tax us on next. The next big thing can't be far away.

We have had increased fuel prices, taxes on emissions and this recycling stuff for years.

What's your reasoning for it being a hoax? Any evidence?

Yes. Plenty. Look it up. I believe it was a hoax to get one over on Russia and credit to them, they pulled it off because many still believe it to this day.

No. It's all a hoax as is man made global warming.

The only scientists who have claimed man made global warming exists are all on the pay roll.

I wonder what they'll tax us on next. The next big thing can't be far away.

We have had increased fuel prices, taxes on emissions and this recycling stuff for years.

What's your reasoning for it being a hoax? Any evidence?

Yes. Plenty. Look it up. I believe it was a hoax to get one over on Russia and credit to them, they pulled it off because many still believe it to this day.

I have looked it up and there is a logical scientific explanation for every argument.

Do you sincerely believe that if there was ANY chance it was a hoax the USSR wouldn't point it out? Surely in the heat of the cold war (no pun intended) any chance to get one over on your enemy would be taken with both hands? No? They simply gave up after seeing a few pictures

Laughable ignorance on your part.

Its the great thing about Science is that our understanding is constantly changing. And as for CERN if it is correct that we can break the speed of light its going to change alot of things that we thought we knew.

As for landing on the moon watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wym04J_3Ls0

I also believe Newton is wrong as well. The problem with physics is as we know more we prove other factors wrong. For example, as you have said, proven Einstein wrong will prove a lot of things wrong.

For example, proving Pythagorean Theorem wrong would also mean that in Artificial Intelligence that the Euclidean Distance is wrong. That would not only effect mathematics but AI and other fields in science also. That's why in my opinion it's so interesting.

No. It's all a hoax as is man made global warming.

The only scientists who have claimed man made global warming exists are all on the pay roll.

I wonder what they'll tax us on next. The next big thing can't be far away.

We have had increased fuel prices, taxes on emissions and this recycling stuff for years.

What's your reasoning for it being a hoax? Any evidence?

Yes. Plenty. Look it up. I believe it was a hoax to get one over on Russia and credit to them, they pulled it off because many still believe it to this day.

There were about one hundred thousand people at Nasa who worked on the moon landing project, are you telling me that even now, forty three years later they have all still kept their mouths shut about the "hoax"????

No. It's all a hoax as is man made global warming.

The only scientists who have claimed man made global warming exists are all on the pay roll.

I wonder what they'll tax us on next. The next big thing can't be far away.

We have had increased fuel prices, taxes on emissions and this recycling stuff for years.

What's your reasoning for it being a hoax? Any evidence?

Yes. Plenty. Look it up. I believe it was a hoax to get one over on Russia and credit to them, they pulled it off because many still believe it to this day.

I have looked it up and there is a logical scientific explanation for every argument.

Do you sincerely believe that if there was ANY chance it was a hoax the USSR wouldn't point it out? Surely in the heat of the cold war (no pun intended) any chance to get one over on your enemy would be taken with both hands? No? They simply gave up after seeing a few pictures

Laughable ignorance on your part.

Boring.

Again, why would USSR point it out when THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD BELIEVED IT?

If Usain Bolt tells people he won a race and I came 2nd and everyone loves Bolt and I say afterwards 'Bolt didn't win as the race didn't happen'. Do you think they will believe me or Bolt? Obviously Bolt.

The USSR would have just opened themselves up for a more scathing attack had they said anything.

1) They would have been branded as loony conspiracy theorists because anyone who doesn't agree with the norm is branded as one, even though some of the greatest scientists in the last 100 years have been loony people - Alan Turing. Luckily for us he had his own vision and path and defied many doubters.

2) As soon as the USSR had said 'America didn't land on the moon' America would have called them liars and asked them to prove it. To prove it would have cost millions and millions the USSR had already invested into their own space programme. Also, it was very hard to prove in those days. There was none of the surveillance that there is today. The USSR did not have tracking software until 1972. Funnily enough, the 3 following missions were cancelled. I wonder why?

3) A number of Russian scientists and mathematicians did state it was a hoax and brought out books but guess what happened? They were called loony conspiracy theorists and that is exactly what would have happened to the USSR had their politicians said the US never went to the moon.

4) Image processing experts from America, Russia, Japan and Britain have all proven the pictures to be fake. I trust the judgement of experts in a field that requires fine attention to detail. Having studied and done such a module in uni I know how hard it is and how complex it gets. These people know what they are on about.

5) When a crosshair is behind objects in a photograph you know it has been edited or tampered with. Im at intermediate level on photoshop and you don't even need that to work that one out. Anyone with a knowledge of paint would know that.

Yes they did otherwise the russians would have ripped the story to bits. It was a great achievment, not least because the technology they used to do it was very basic and untested. they actually banked on losing more men than the actual 3 they lost in the project.

Ralph Rene is an American engineer who analysed it for years and years compiling bits of research and his verdict was that it was all a lie and it makes sense as to why. You should really look at his findings or maybe he has a video.

Also, Russia would not have ripped the story to bits.

1) Had America been found out that it was a hoax then they would have looked stupid and Russia would be laughing
2) Had Russia made them claims then America would have just said 'they're being bitter because we beat them to it' and that would have left Russia looking like a bad loser. The best thing Russia could do was sit back and wait to see if America got caught out.

A couple of months ago a documentary was on the bbc, they were speaking to the scientists who were working at the greenwich observatory at the time of the launch, they explained, that without nasa knowing, they eves dropped on every minute of the whole operation from launch to landing and have still got it on tape.

I forgot to mention, six months ago photos were released from a satellite or hubble (can't remember) with the latest picture technoligy, it actually showed three of the landing sites where you could make out launching equipment, U.S flags still in place and groves/tracks on the surface where the moon rovers went.

Here we have it:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14813043

Here's another one:-

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/m ... sites.html

No. It's all a hoax as is man made global warming.

The only scientists who have claimed man made global warming exists are all on the pay roll.

I wonder what they'll tax us on next. The next big thing can't be far away.

We have had increased fuel prices, taxes on emissions and this recycling stuff for years.

What's your reasoning for it being a hoax? Any evidence?

Yes. Plenty. Look it up. I believe it was a hoax to get one over on Russia and credit to them, they pulled it off because many still believe it to this day.

I have looked it up and there is a logical scientific explanation for every argument.

Do you sincerely believe that if there was ANY chance it was a hoax the USSR wouldn't point it out? Surely in the heat of the cold war (no pun intended) any chance to get one over on your enemy would be taken with both hands? No? They simply gave up after seeing a few pictures

Laughable ignorance on your part.

Boring.

Again, why would USSR point it out when THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD BELIEVED IT?

If Usain Bolt tells people he won a race and I came 2nd and everyone loves Bolt and I say afterwards 'Bolt didn't win as the race didn't happen'. Do you think they will believe me or Bolt? Obviously Bolt.

The USSR would have just opened themselves up for a more scathing attack had they said anything.

1) They would have been branded as loony conspiracy theorists because anyone who doesn't agree with the norm is branded as one, even though some of the greatest scientists in the last 100 years have been loony people - Alan Turing. Luckily for us he had his own vision and path and defied many doubters.

2) As soon as the USSR had said 'America didn't land on the moon' America would have called them liars and asked them to prove it. To prove it would have cost millions and millions the USSR had already invested into their own space programme. Also, it was very hard to prove in those days. There was none of the surveillance that there is today. The USSR did not have tracking software until 1972. Funnily enough, the 3 following missions were cancelled. I wonder why?

3) A number of Russian scientists and mathematicians did state it was a hoax and brought out books but guess what happened? They were called loony conspiracy theorists and that is exactly what would have happened to the USSR had their politicians said the US never went to the moon.

4) Image processing experts from America, Russia, Japan and Britain have all proven the pictures to be fake. I trust the judgement of experts in a field that requires fine attention to detail. Having studied and done such a module in uni I know how hard it is and how complex it gets. These people know what they are on about.

5) When a crosshair is behind objects in a photograph you know it has been edited or tampered with. Im at intermediate level on photoshop and you don't even need that to work that one out. Anyone with a knowledge of paint would know that.

Oh my god, the only 'loony conspiracist theories' are coming from you.

Here's some widely accepted evidence for you.

'The Apollo Program, between missions 11 and 17, collected some 382 kilograms of moon rocks, which were brought back to Earth for analysis. Every scientist who has studied these rocks has accepted that they are of non-terrestrial origin and there is no peer-reviewed article that contradicts the claim they are from the moon. Moon rocks have a very specific geological composition which is distinct from both rocks on Earth and other celestial bodies, such as meteorites'.

'It is interesting to note that out of all the people who have claimed the moon landings were faked, not one of them had any direct involvement with the program. As Dr. James Longuski, a professor of Aeronautics and Astronautic Engineering has pointed out, the sheer scale of the project would have made it impossible to keep everybody quiet. Over the course of the Apollo project, he estimates that over 400,000 people, or the equivalent of a small city, were involved in working on the project. The odds of every single one of them choosing to keep silent for over forty years, and not producing any evidence, or a memoir, or an overheard conversation suggesting the landings were faked, is another hugely compelling argument. There is so much money to be made by the person who definitively proves the Moon landings were faked, that someone would surely by now have tried to capitalise on that.'

There are photographs of the landing site still pretty much intact. People have visited the landing site, it's there.

Also, the USSR would point it out to UNDERMINE THEIR COLD WAR ENEMIES.

Personally, I think it did happen. There are always conspiracy theories whenever something amazing happens. I'm not ruling out all conspiracy theories but some are just silly.

I also think the above comments about physics amusing. I lived with two physicists in uni and they constantly ranted on about how science was fact and there was no way of disproving rules. CERN is completely turning physics on its head... which is funny because I'm pretty sure scientific advancements are always stating "fact" but then changing the said "facts" when new discoveries are made.

I think scientific advancements will reach such a stage in the future where physics will actually have no rules. It's a crazy and scary prospect but it's heading that way.

Personally, I think it did happen. There are always conspiracy theories whenever something amazing happens. I'm not ruling out all conspiracy theories but some are just silly.

I also think the above comments about physics amusing. I lived with two physicists in uni and they constantly ranted on about how science was fact and there was no way of disproving rules. CERN is completely turning physics on its head... which is funny because I'm pretty sure scientific advancements are always stating "fact" but then changing the said "facts" when new discoveries are made.

I think scientific advancements will reach such a stage in the future where physics will actually have no rules. It's a crazy and scary prospect but it's heading that way.

Spot on. Physics has rules in that it's up to the point we know. We try to be as accurate as possible but it is never ever fact in the sense that it is exact. We take it as fact as we deem it at the current stage in life to be as close to exact as possible.

There are even discrepancies with the likes of Pi and it's true value with even one scientist proving it can be any number you wanted. In my university they are in the process of changing the syllabus for physics to update it in relation to CERN's findings. The uni work very closely with CERN and im applying to go there for my placement.

Best of luck with that. It is getting to a proper head f**k stage where physics is overlapping with philosophy. My ex-housemate used to talk about some random philosophical shit but some of the stuff he read about really messes with your head. Like one philosopher who claimed that everything we know and see isn't actually the way we see it and it's only a perception. It's undoubtedly true but makes you wonder what everything is like without say light or the retina etc. My head is hurting now so going to abandon this topic!

You cant truly state any scientific theory as fact only that experimental evidence backs it up. As technology improves new methods can be used which can provided new evidence to disprove a theory like at CERN. The problem with Physics is that the technology wasnt advance enough to see if these theories were acurate. And same can be said for Biology and Chemistry

Best of luck with that. It is getting to a proper head f**k stage where physics is overlapping with philosophy. My ex-housemate used to talk about some random philosophical shit but some of the stuff he read about really messes with your head. Like one philosopher who claimed that everything we know and see isn't actually the way we see it and it's only a perception. It's undoubtedly true but makes you wonder what everything is like without say light or the retina etc. My head is hurting now so going to abandon this topic!

Thanks very much mate. Hopefully get to work there, even if it is just for the year, as it looks like a great place to work on some real interesting things.

No.

Although when I went to hear a speach by James Irwin, 2 nd man on the moon, he said We had. He is a committed Christian so he would not lie would he.

Who the hell is Irwin? - do you mean Aldrin?