Poll: Arriva Trains Wales or Cardiff Airport.?

Which of these do you feel is the worst public transport related company here in Wales..?

IMO both are supplying the public with a 3rd world service.

Which of these do you feel is the worst public transport related company here in Wales..?

IMO both are supplying the public with a 3rd world service.

International airport - they are having a laugh. Spain, Amsterdam or a couple of days a week to Switzerland is about it unless you are on a holiday charter for a few months of the year. The reason nobody flies from Cardiff is because of the extortionate landing fees they charge. Bristol has shown them how to do it and is growing from strength to strength.

As you say Adam, both are poorly run.

I would have to say the Airport though. Over the last 10-15 years I have seen Bristol Airport transform itself into a very successful business, they have routes going everywhere, sometimes a couple each day. Cardiff Airport is slowly dying. Routes being cut, bmi pulling out with no replacement etc.

Quite sad really.

They dropped the "international" part in the name of the airport many years ago.

It is a shame though as it has the potential to be so much more and can fly to so many more destinations than Bristol if we had the routes.

This summer Vueling flights have been successful and looking to add more routes for next summer and the Orlando flights a big success and could do more flights (the one thing we have over Bristol).

Hardly get trains so don't know.

They dropped the "international" part in the name of the airport many years ago.

It is a shame though as it has the potential to be so much more and can fly to so many more destinations than Bristol if we had the routes.

This summer Vueling flights have been successful and looking to add more routes for next summer and the Orlando flights a big success and could do more flights (the one thing we have over Bristol).

Hardly get trains so don't know.

Agree - it has the potential to be an excellent airport. The problem is though mate that most of the flights are charters to holiday destinations. If you want to go to most major European capitals such as Rome, Berlin etc or New York or other world cities then its impossible unless yo go via Amsterdam with KLM and it costs a fortune. Its easier and cheaper to just go to Bristol at the moment, whereas almost every other regional airport in the UK is able to cater for those sort of flights as well as charters. They are killing their own business.

You can also go around most of Europe via Barcelona with Vueling although no idea of prices.
Also air lingus go to America via Dublin.

Bristol can't go direct to new York. Cardiff could but don't.

both crap my transit is the best service u can get

You can also go around most of Europe via Barcelona with Vueling although no idea of prices.
Also air lingus go to America via Dublin.

Bristol can't go direct to new York. Cardiff could but don't.

My mum went direct to New York from Bristol just last year

You can also go around most of Europe via Barcelona with Vueling although no idea of prices.
Also air lingus go to America via Dublin.

Bristol can't go direct to new York. Cardiff could but don't.

My mum went direct to New York from Bristol just last year

You might want to check that?
Who did she fly with?

You can also go around most of Europe via Barcelona with Vueling although no idea of prices.
Also air lingus go to America via Dublin.

Bristol can't go direct to new York. Cardiff could but don't.

My mum went direct to New York from Bristol just last year

You might want to check that?
Who did she fly with?

There is definitely a direct flight from Bristol to NY - can't remember which airline it is though; BMI maybe...

You can also go around most of Europe via Barcelona with Vueling although no idea of prices.
Also air lingus go to America via Dublin.

Bristol can't go direct to new York. Cardiff could but don't.

My mum went direct to New York from Bristol just last year

You might want to check that?
Who did she fly with?

There is definitely a direct flight from Bristol to NY - can't remember which airline it is though; BMI maybe...

There is no direct flight from BRS to NY - there use to be one back in 2010 with continental although they pulled out

You can also go around most of Europe via Barcelona with Vueling although no idea of prices.
Also air lingus go to America via Dublin.

Bristol can't go direct to new York. Cardiff could but don't.

My mum went direct to New York from Bristol just last year

You might want to check that?
Who did she fly with?

There is definitely a direct flight from Bristol to NY - can't remember which airline it is though; BMI maybe...

There is no direct flight from BRS to NY - there use to be one back in 2010 with continental although they pulled out

Thats probably the one I was thinking of - didn't know they had pulled it though.

Both aren't worth a wank hence why I always fly from Bristol or Manchester on my many holidays a year.

My understanding was that the runway at Bristol was to short to handle a plane capable of getting to America direct. Thats why Cardiff get most the diverts from other airports.

My understanding was that the runway at Bristol was to short to handle a plane capable of getting to America direct. Thats why Cardiff get most the diverts from other airports.

I'm no expert mate but there was without question a NY flight from Bristol at one point.

My understanding was that the runway at Bristol was to short to handle a plane capable of getting to America direct. Thats why Cardiff get most the diverts from other airports.

I'm no expert mate but there was without question a NY flight from Bristol at one point.

Nor me
Fair enough, I just did a little google and Bristol are looking to start the flight again via Dublin.

My understanding was that the runway at Bristol was to short to handle a plane capable of getting to America direct. Thats why Cardiff get most the diverts from other airports.

Im sure Bristol is set up and only has intentions to be a lo-cost airport

On the other hand Cardiff with their longer runway have the advantage of attracting airlines capable of traveling long distances ie New York. Although with the economic climate as poor as it is - and wales having one of the highest unemployment rates within the UK, this is the stumbling block for the airport to attract new airlines

Its the chicken and egg situation for the airport - as airlines want guarantee that people will fly from Cardiff and use them, but passengers cannot use the airport with out the airlines there

yeah it was Continental

My understanding was that the runway at Bristol was to short to handle a plane capable of getting to America direct. Thats why Cardiff get most the diverts from other airports.

Im sure Bristol is set up and only has intentions to be a lo-cost airport

On the other hand Cardiff with their longer runway have the advantage of attracting airlines capable of traveling long distances ie New York. Although with the economic climate as poor as it is - and wales having one of the highest unemployment rates within the UK, this is the stumbling block for the airport to attract new airlines

Its the chicken and egg situation for the airport - as airlines want guarantee that people will fly from Cardiff and use them, but passengers cannot use the airport with out the airlines there

The orlando flight has been very successful this summer so no doubt that will be back with maybe more flights hopefully.
Its surprising how many people come from all over for the flight as well, Bristol, London etc

RE Bristol this is all I can find on the direct flights http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/320-000- ... story.html

Now they fly via Dublin (like Cardiff) with Air Lingus

My understanding was that the runway at Bristol was to short to handle a plane capable of getting to America direct. Thats why Cardiff get most the diverts from other airports.

Im sure Bristol is set up and only has intentions to be a lo-cost airport

On the other hand Cardiff with their longer runway have the advantage of attracting airlines capable of traveling long distances ie New York. Although with the economic climate as poor as it is - and wales having one of the highest unemployment rates within the UK, this is the stumbling block for the airport to attract new airlines

Its the chicken and egg situation for the airport - as airlines want guarantee that people will fly from Cardiff and use them, but passengers cannot use the airport with out the airlines there

If they dropped the landing charges it would help - BMI Baby used to go to Warsaw, Prague, Geneva, Gdansk as well as others - all routes that do or will operate now from Bristol. They have pulled out totally from Cardiff, which leaves the door open for Easy Jet or Ryan Air to step in, but they aren't interested in taking the slots.

My understanding was that the runway at Bristol was to short to handle a plane capable of getting to America direct. Thats why Cardiff get most the diverts from other airports.

Im sure Bristol is set up and only has intentions to be a lo-cost airport

On the other hand Cardiff with their longer runway have the advantage of attracting airlines capable of traveling long distances ie New York. Although with the economic climate as poor as it is - and wales having one of the highest unemployment rates within the UK, this is the stumbling block for the airport to attract new airlines

Its the chicken and egg situation for the airport - as airlines want guarantee that people will fly from Cardiff and use them, but passengers cannot use the airport with out the airlines there

The orlando flight has been very successful this summer so no doubt that will be back with maybe more flights hopefully.
Its surprising how many people come from all over for the flight as well, Bristol, London etc

RE Bristol this is all I can find on the direct flights http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/320-000- ... story.html

Now they fly via Dublin (like Cardiff) with Air Lingus

The Orlando route has been popular and is back for 2013 as members of my family have booked with them

I think what the airport need is for Vueling to expand next year - only if it is a couple more routes to go with the 3 that they currently have, that a small step in the right direction

There's something about it: http://www.airportwatch.org.uk/?p=3198

However if I remember correctly it was very expensive as I tried to convince her to fly from Heathrow as it would cost her around £200 cheaper even if you threw in the added transport expenses to get to Heathrow and back.

My understanding was that the runway at Bristol was to short to handle a plane capable of getting to America direct. Thats why Cardiff get most the diverts from other airports.

Im sure Bristol is set up and only has intentions to be a lo-cost airport

On the other hand Cardiff with their longer runway have the advantage of attracting airlines capable of traveling long distances ie New York. Although with the economic climate as poor as it is - and wales having one of the highest unemployment rates within the UK, this is the stumbling block for the airport to attract new airlines

Its the chicken and egg situation for the airport - as airlines want guarantee that people will fly from Cardiff and use them, but passengers cannot use the airport with out the airlines there

If they dropped the landing charges it would help - BMI Baby used to go to Warsaw, Prague, Geneva, Gdansk as well as others - all routes that do or will operate now from Bristol. They have pulled out totally from Cardiff, which leaves the door open for Easy Jet or Ryan Air to step in, but they aren't interested in taking the slots.

Why would Easyjet or Ryanair operate from Cardiff?

They are then affecting their bristol bases - They will expect people to travel to bristol, and people do!

It has alot to do with landing fees as BMI Baby pushed them onto the passenger ensuring that the total price was very expensive for a low cost carrier

My understanding was that the runway at Bristol was to short to handle a plane capable of getting to America direct. Thats why Cardiff get most the diverts from other airports.

Im sure Bristol is set up and only has intentions to be a lo-cost airport

On the other hand Cardiff with their longer runway have the advantage of attracting airlines capable of traveling long distances ie New York. Although with the economic climate as poor as it is - and wales having one of the highest unemployment rates within the UK, this is the stumbling block for the airport to attract new airlines

Its the chicken and egg situation for the airport - as airlines want guarantee that people will fly from Cardiff and use them, but passengers cannot use the airport with out the airlines there

If they dropped the landing charges it would help - BMI Baby used to go to Warsaw, Prague, Geneva, Gdansk as well as others - all routes that do or will operate now from Bristol. They have pulled out totally from Cardiff, which leaves the door open for Easy Jet or Ryan Air to step in, but they aren't interested in taking the slots.

Why would Easyjet or Ryanair operate from Cardiff?

They are then affecting their bristol bases - They will expect people to travel to bristol, and people do!

Ryanair did operate from Cardiff but they were also charged too much in fees so they pulled out and just flew from Bristol.

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RyanAir would never come back after leaving under a cloud last time and Easyjet are just to settled in BRS which is a shame.

My understanding is that Albertis bought Cardiff Airport in a bundle along with Luton and Belfast but they never wanted Cardiff really (but really wanted Luton). However Cardiff makes a small but steady profit thanks to the BA hanger so to Albertis the airport is no problem.

It has alot to do with landing fees as BMI Baby pushed them onto the passenger ensuring that the total price was very expensive for a low cost carrier

Its nothing to do with the landing fees, ive had this debate many of times

Cardiff offer very competitive landing fees, although airports negotiate with airlines to try and give them the better deal

Why airlines dont just come into Cardiff is 1 - Wales has one of the highest unemployment figures, so why would they operate from a country where many people have no money? and 2 - There is an airport nearby which operates a high proportion of flights which would compete with Cardiff

They have attracted a lo-co airline Vueling from spain, so they cant be pricing out lo-co's that bad

RyanAir would never come back after leaving under a cloud last time and Easyjet are just to settled in BRS which is a shame.

My understanding is that Albertis bought Cardiff Airport in a bundle along with Luton and Belfast but they never wanted Cardiff really (but really wanted Luton). However Cardiff makes a small but steady profit thanks to the BA hanger so to Albertis the airport is no problem.

I heard that last night and I bet they shit themselves when BA showed interest in moving to St. Athan for that operation.

My understanding was that the runway at Bristol was to short to handle a plane capable of getting to America direct. Thats why Cardiff get most the diverts from other airports.

Im sure Bristol is set up and only has intentions to be a lo-cost airport

On the other hand Cardiff with their longer runway have the advantage of attracting airlines capable of traveling long distances ie New York. Although with the economic climate as poor as it is - and wales having one of the highest unemployment rates within the UK, this is the stumbling block for the airport to attract new airlines

Its the chicken and egg situation for the airport - as airlines want guarantee that people will fly from Cardiff and use them, but passengers cannot use the airport with out the airlines there

If they dropped the landing charges it would help - BMI Baby used to go to Warsaw, Prague, Geneva, Gdansk as well as others - all routes that do or will operate now from Bristol. They have pulled out totally from Cardiff, which leaves the door open for Easy Jet or Ryan Air to step in, but they aren't interested in taking the slots.

Why would Easyjet or Ryanair operate from Cardiff?

They are then affecting their bristol bases - They will expect people to travel to bristol, and people do!

Ryanair did operate from Cardiff but they were also charged too much in fees so they pulled out and just flew from Bristol.

I dont think it was just a case of Cardiff being the problem with RyanAir, infact quite the opposite.

It has alot to do with landing fees as BMI Baby pushed them onto the passenger ensuring that the total price was very expensive for a low cost carrier

Its nothing to do with the landing fees, ive had this debate many of times

Cardiff offer very competitive landing fees, although airports negotiate with airlines to try and give them the better deal

Why airlines dont just come into Cardiff is 1 - Wales has one of the highest unemployment figures, so why would they operate from a country where many people have no money? and 2 - There is an airport nearby which operates a high proportion of flights which would compete with Cardiff

They have attracted a lo-co airline Vueling from spain, so they cant be pricing out lo-co's that bad

Surely low income areas would welcome low cost airlines. Vueling again isn't that cheap compared to so-called other low cost airlines flying out of other airports.