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Please please help? Re: TLG

Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:28 am

MODS could you possibly let the real TLG back on this site so he vacates CCMB, then on here I can tell him what a tw*t he is and a lot more without getting banned for telling the bitter deluded tosser, to f**k right off, thank you :thumbup:

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:54 am

Igovernor wrote:MODS could you possibly let the real TLG back on this site so he vacates CCMB, then on here I can tell him what a tw*t he is and a lot more without getting banned for telling the bitter deluded tosser, to f**k right off, thank you :thumbup:

No doubt he has read this message anyway.

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:29 am

Igovernor wrote:MODS could you possibly let the real TLG back on this site so he vacates CCMB, then on here I can tell him what a tw*t he is and a lot more without getting banned for telling the bitter deluded tosser, to f**k right off, thank you :thumbup:


Fire away, you dopey old wanker.

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:37 am

The Lone Gunman wrote:
Igovernor wrote:MODS could you possibly let the real TLG back on this site so he vacates CCMB, then on here I can tell him what a tw*t he is and a lot more without getting banned for telling the bitter deluded tosser, to f**k right off, thank you :thumbup:


Fire away, you dopey old wanker.

You was not banned to start with but i will browse this thread and get the popcorn ready dave, carl will sell 3d glasses in his next update :lol:

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:40 am

bluebird1977 wrote:You was not banned to start with.....


I was banned for years, but apparently my old mate Annis lifted my ban a while back without telling me.

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:44 am

The Lone Gunman wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:You was not banned to start with.....


I was banned for years, but apparently my old mate Annis lifted my ban a while back without telling me.

Why was you banned did you question carlos are leader or not send annis kinky gifts in the mail :lol:

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:46 am

bluebird1977 wrote:Why was you banned did you question carlos are leader.......


Pretty much this.

:lol:

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:48 am

The Lone Gunman wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:Why was you banned did you question carlos are leader.......


Pretty much this.

:lol:

Naughty.

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:49 am

:lol: You have become the biggest tosser around, you used to talk sense, but since the re-brand, you have thrown your toys out of your pram, you take every opportunity to slag off City and the Malaysians, Yet you still don't say anything bad about your friend Sam, you are a two face tw*t, and all you can do is try and put people down with your unfunny remarks. You think you are so clever, just because I don't possess your sarcasm, you think that you are the man, well I may be a lot older than you, but you are just a little boy, who should grow up and move on. The thing is this, I and many other do NOT want to play in red, and would rather play in blue, but the difference between you and us is that we are "FANS" and will support Cardiff City FC, as long as we have breath in our bodies, you on the other hand, used to be a fan as long as it fits in with what you want, that is not a fan. So go to work now, and as you are no longer a fan don't spend any more of the us taxpayers money on surfing the message boards

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:54 am

Igovernor wrote::lol: You have become the biggest tosser around, you used to talk sense, but since the re-brand, you have thrown your toys out of your pram, you take every opportunity to slag off City and the Malaysians, Yet you still don't say anything bad about your friend Sam, you are a two face tw*t, and all you can do is try and put people down with your unfunny remarks. You think you are so clever, just because I don't possess your sarcasm, you think that you are the man, well I may be a lot older than you, but you are just a little boy, who should grow up and move on. The thing is this, I and many other do NOT want to play in red, and would rather play in blue, but the difference between you and us is that we are "FANS" and will support Cardiff City FC, as long as we have breath in our bodies, you on the other hand, used to be a fan as long as it fits in with what you want, that is not a fan. So go to work now, and as you are no longer a fan don't spend any more of the us taxpayers money on surfing the message boards


I like the bit where you call out TLG on "you slag city fans off and your a tosser who puts people down" yet your doing it yourself governor, funny stuff. :lol:

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:59 am

Igovernor wrote::lol: You have become the biggest tosser around, you used to talk sense, but since the re-brand, you have thrown your toys out of your pram, you take every opportunity to slag off City and the Malaysians, Yet you still don't say anything bad about your friend Sam, you are a two face tw*t, and all you can do is try and put people down with your unfunny remarks. You think you are so clever, just because I don't possess your sarcasm, you think that you are the man, well I may be a lot older than you, but you are just a little boy, who should grow up and move on. The thing is this, I and many other do NOT want to play in red, and would rather play in blue, but the difference between you and us is that we are "FANS" and will support Cardiff City FC, as long as we have breath in our bodies, you on the other hand, used to be a fan as long as it fits in with what you want, that is not a fan. So go to work now, and as you are no longer a fan don't spend any more of the us taxpayers money on surfing the message boards


:lol:

I'm off to work in five minutes. You'll get yours in due course.

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:00 am

Only to TLG, where as he does it to loads of people :thumbup:

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:04 am

bluebird1977 wrote:
Igovernor wrote::lol: You have become the biggest tosser around, you used to talk sense, but since the re-brand, you have thrown your toys out of your pram, you take every opportunity to slag off City and the Malaysians, Yet you still don't say anything bad about your friend Sam, you are a two face tw*t, and all you can do is try and put people down with your unfunny remarks. You think you are so clever, just because I don't possess your sarcasm, you think that you are the man, well I may be a lot older than you, but you are just a little boy, who should grow up and move on. The thing is this, I and many other do NOT want to play in red, and would rather play in blue, but the difference between you and us is that we are "FANS" and will support Cardiff City FC, as long as we have breath in our bodies, you on the other hand, used to be a fan as long as it fits in with what you want, that is not a fan. So go to work now, and as you are no longer a fan don't spend any more of the us taxpayers money on surfing the message boards


I like the bit where you call out TLG on "you slag city fans off and your a tosser who puts people down" yet your doing it yourself governor, funny stuff. :lol:



dont understand this slagging people off on messageboards to be honest.
for what its worth as far as i am concerned anybody and everybody are entitled to their opinions regarding the re brand .
i know lots of decent people who have not come to terms with the rebrand and dave is amongst them.
This board advertises the fact that "all opinions are welcome". Well dave is entitled to his without suffering personal attacks by members of this forum because of them.

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:12 am

Steve you obviously have not seen the posts, on ccmb I am fed up to the teeth with him having a go at the club, that is not opinions, its just vitreol directed at the club, and the owners and board, including your friend. I respect all peoples opinions, but what I will not accept is a bitter ex fan taking every opportunity to slag MY club off

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:26 am

Igovernor wrote:Steve you obviously have not seen the posts, on ccmb I am fed up to the teeth with him having a go at the club, that is not opinions, its just vitreol directed at the club, and the owners and board, including your friend. I respect all peoples opinions, but what I will not accept is a bitter ex fan taking every opportunity to slag MY club off


It's hardly vitriol. He's obviously passionate about his football clubs like yourself. The only difference to you is that he can't accept the rebrand and feels like he can't watch the club in red and with a beer mat badge and is struggling to understand the reasons for the rebrand as many of us are. Everybody is entitled to their opinion of the rebrand and the people involved in it, especially as it was initially linked to us becoming debt free and paying off historic creditors, which to date has not happened.

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:28 am

Igovernor wrote:Steve you obviously have not seen the posts, on ccmb I am fed up to the teeth with him having a go at the club, that is not opinions, its just vitreol directed at the club, and the owners and board, including your friend. I respect all peoples opinions, but what I will not accept is a bitter ex fan taking every opportunity to slag MY club off

Im a current fan and i slag the club off if thats what you call it (talk of the club over what they have done) over the rebrand so do most others on a day to day basis thats how it is which is only an opinion is it not. :ayatollah:

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:20 am

Igovernor wrote:Steve you obviously have not seen the posts, on ccmb I am fed up to the teeth with him having a go at the club, that is not opinions, its just vitreol directed at the club, and the owners and board, including your friend. I respect all peoples opinions, but what I will not accept is a bitter ex fan taking every opportunity to slag MY club off

well if its on ccmb.....do us a favour and go on there to have a pop at him......why come on here to do it?????

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:56 am

Igovernor wrote::lol: You have become the biggest tosser around, you used to talk sense, but since the re-brand, you have thrown your toys out of your pram, you take every opportunity to slag off City and the Malaysians, Yet you still don't say anything bad about your friend Sam, you are a two face tw*t, and all you can do is try and put people down with your unfunny remarks. You think you are so clever, just because I don't possess your sarcasm, you think that you are the man, well I may be a lot older than you, but you are just a little boy, who should grow up and move on. The thing is this, I and many other do NOT want to play in red, and would rather play in blue, but the difference between you and us is that we are "FANS" and will support Cardiff City FC, as long as we have breath in our bodies, you on the other hand, used to be a fan as long as it fits in with what you want, that is not a fan. So go to work now, and as you are no longer a fan don't spend any more of the us taxpayers money on surfing the message boards


Although not everyone will agree with TLGs comments about the rebrand there are just as many who have said that his posts have been spot on. I have always found his posts to be well written and he always manages to articulate his points rather than just slag the club off. Also remember that most fans still love the club and you will find that it is VT and some of his acolytes that are being slagged off and not the club in general.TLG has got as much right to his opinion as you so accept it and move on. :ayatollah:

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:33 am

krabb wrote:
Igovernor wrote:Steve you obviously have not seen the posts, on ccmb I am fed up to the teeth with him having a go at the club, that is not opinions, its just vitreol directed at the club, and the owners and board, including your friend. I respect all peoples opinions, but what I will not accept is a bitter ex fan taking every opportunity to slag MY club off

well if its on ccmb.....do us a favour and go on there to have a pop at him......why come on here to do it?????


I use the both message boards ! Am I allowed to do that? also on the other board I also respond to his posts, is that also allowed
?

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:50 am

Ive always like Sugarmans post, straight to the point and no holding back. I dont understand why people get so excited over other people opinions. Unless its a JB, a Tory or Adam Browns :lol:

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:47 am

bluebird1977 wrote:
The Lone Gunman wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:You was not banned to start with.....


I was banned for years, but apparently my old mate Annis lifted my ban a while back without telling me.

Why was you banned did you question carlos are leader or not send annis kinky gifts in the mail :lol:



Maybe it was because he was on here spewing out his usual drivel / boll**ks, then again that could'nt be the reason, afterall, tlg is always right!!!!

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:54 am

[quote="Igovernor"]:lol: You have become the biggest tosser around, you used to talk sense, but since the re-brand, you have thrown your toys out of your pram, you take every opportunity to slag off City and the Malaysians, Yet you still don't say anything bad about your friend Sam, you are a two face tw*t, and all you can do is try and put people down with your unfunny remarks. You think you are so clever, just because I don't possess your sarcasm, you think that you are the man, well I may be a lot older than you, but you are just a little boy, who should grow up and move on. The thing is this, I and many other do NOT want to play in red, and would rather play in blue, but the difference between you and us is that we are "FANS" and will support Cardiff City FC, as long as we have breath in our bodies, you on the other hand, used to be a fan as long as it fits in with what you want, that is not a fan. So go to work now, and as you are no longer a fan don't spend any more of the us taxpayers money on surfing the message boards[/quote

Spot on.

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:38 am

Igovernor wrote::lol: You have become the biggest tosser around, you used to talk sense, but since the re-brand, you have thrown your toys out of your pram, you take every opportunity to slag off City and the Malaysians, Yet you still don't say anything bad about your friend Sam, you are a two face tw*t, and all you can do is try and put people down with your unfunny remarks. You think you are so clever, just because I don't possess your sarcasm, you think that you are the man, well I may be a lot older than you, but you are just a little boy, who should grow up and move on. The thing is this, I and many other do NOT want to play in red, and would rather play in blue, but the difference between you and us is that we are "FANS" and will support Cardiff City FC, as long as we have breath in our bodies, you on the other hand, used to be a fan as long as it fits in with what you want, that is not a fan. So go to work now, and as you are no longer a fan don't spend any more of the us taxpayers money on surfing the message boards


Right then, eyes down for a full house.....

I have no idea why you felt the need to start a thread aimed at abusing me on a message board which you (and I) believed I was banned from. Very peculiar behaviour indeed, but then you seem to be prone to that as evidenced by your latest avatar.

My views on the ridiculous re-brand have been well documented. As far as I'm concerned, what was a proud football club not so long ago has developed into a circus in recent months and almost everybody associated with it seems to have lost a grip on reality. Whether it be red and black kits, dragon emblems, players earning obscene amounts of money by Championship standards, owners who are clearly clueless about professional football, ceremonies to re-open a stadium that never closed, fireworks displays and dancing oriental dragons, adverts for products you can't even buy on this continent never mind in this country and supporters who are seemingly happy to gladly suck up any rubbish the club throws at them simply because the major shareholder is a rich man, the whole thing has become a farce and I want no part of it.

Apparently, Cardiff City Football Club is now being marketed to appeal to an audience of TV viewers in the Far East who have never even heard of it, let alone supported it. Meanwhile, the views of the local fanbase are largely irrelevant. Call me selfish, but I'd quite like the club to be shaped so that it appeals to those of us who have supported it all of our lives, but that's not going to happen any time soon. Emperor Tan his minions have clearly demonstrated they are content to ignore the supporters and trample on the club’s traditions in their quest for imaginary Asian revenue. Consequently, they will not be getting another penny from me.

The club now views people like you as consumers they can take for granted and you play the role to perfection as you offer the latest regime your unconditional support, just as you offered all the previous regimes your unconditional support. You state that you do not want the team to play in red and yet you're not even prepared to voice any objections about the situation, let alone raise any kind of genuine protests. Instead, you post incessant amounts of sycophantic drivel with regard to the Malaysian regime and talk of supporting the club as long as you have breath left in your body as if you are on some sort of noble crusade. It's cringeworthy and embarrassing. People like you must lack self respect.

I appreciate you would like those of us who have opposed the re-brand to stop posting on the message boards so that you can indulge in your happy-clappy fantasy football world without interruption, but it's not going to happen. People are going to continue to raise objections whether you like or not, even if the dissenters are in a small minority. Personally, I have cut my contributions down to a minimum, but I'm not going to disappear completely. I wouldn't give pissants like you the satisfaction.

Incidentally, the only time I post at work these days is during my lunch hour. Mr Day's intervention a couple of years ago saw to that, but that should be of no concern to a senile pensioner such as yourself anyway.

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:31 pm

The Lone Gunman wrote:
Igovernor wrote::lol: You have become the biggest tosser around, you used to talk sense, but since the re-brand, you have thrown your toys out of your pram, you take every opportunity to slag off City and the Malaysians, Yet you still don't say anything bad about your friend Sam, you are a two face tw*t, and all you can do is try and put people down with your unfunny remarks. You think you are so clever, just because I don't possess your sarcasm, you think that you are the man, well I may be a lot older than you, but you are just a little boy, who should grow up and move on. The thing is this, I and many other do NOT want to play in red, and would rather play in blue, but the difference between you and us is that we are "FANS" and will support Cardiff City FC, as long as we have breath in our bodies, you on the other hand, used to be a fan as long as it fits in with what you want, that is not a fan. So go to work now, and as you are no longer a fan don't spend any more of the us taxpayers money on surfing the message boards


Right then, eyes down for a full house.....

I have no idea why you felt the need to start a thread aimed at abusing me on a message board which you (and I) believed I was banned from. Very peculiar behaviour indeed, but then you seem to be prone to that as evidenced by your latest avatar.

My views on the ridiculous re-brand have been well documented. As far as I'm concerned, what was a proud football club not so long ago has developed into a circus in recent months and almost everybody associated with it seems to have lost a grip on reality. Whether it be red and black kits, dragon emblems, players earning obscene amounts of money by Championship standards, owners who are clearly clueless about professional football, ceremonies to re-open a stadium that never closed, fireworks displays and dancing oriental dragons, adverts for products you can't even buy on this continent never mind in this country and supporters who are seemingly happy to gladly suck up any rubbish the club throws at them simply because the major shareholder is a rich man, the whole thing has become a farce and I want no part of it.

Apparently, Cardiff City Football Club is now being marketed to appeal to an audience of TV viewers in the Far East who have never even heard of it, let alone supported it. Meanwhile, the views of the local fanbase are largely irrelevant. Call me selfish, but I'd quite like the club to be shaped so that it appeals to those of us who have supported it all of our lives, but that's not going to happen any time soon. Emperor Tan his minions have clearly demonstrated they are content to ignore the supporters and trample on the club’s traditions in their quest for imaginary Asian revenue. Consequently, they will not be getting another penny from me.

The club now views people like you as consumers they can take for granted and you play the role to perfection as you offer the latest regime your unconditional support, just as you offered all the previous regimes your unconditional support. You state that you do not want the team to play in red and yet you're not even prepared to voice any objections about the situation, let alone raise any kind of genuine protests. Instead, you post incessant amounts of sycophantic drivel with regard to the Malaysian regime and talk of supporting the club as long as you have breath left in your body as if you are on some sort of noble crusade. It's cringeworthy and embarrassing. People like you must lack self respect.

I appreciate you would like those of us who have opposed the re-brand to stop posting on the message boards so that you can indulge in your happy-clappy fantasy football world without interruption, but it's not going to happen. People are going to continue to raise objections whether you like or not, even if the dissenters are in a small minority. Personally, I have cut my contributions down to a minimum, but I'm not going to disappear completely. I wouldn't give pissants like you the satisfaction.

Incidentally, the only time I post at work these days is during my lunch hour. Mr Day's intervention a couple of years ago saw to that, but that should be of no concern to a senile pensioner such as yourself anyway.



Of course, this is only your opinion????

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:20 pm

Igovernor wrote:
krabb wrote:
Igovernor wrote:Steve you obviously have not seen the posts, on ccmb I am fed up to the teeth with him having a go at the club, that is not opinions, its just vitreol directed at the club, and the owners and board, including your friend. I respect all peoples opinions, but what I will not accept is a bitter ex fan taking every opportunity to slag MY club off

well if its on ccmb.....do us a favour and go on there to have a pop at him......why come on here to do it?????


I use the both message boards ! Am I allowed to do that? also on the other board I also respond to his posts, is that also allowed
?

yes it is,,,,,but you do seem to be an angry bear.....and he has every right to say what he wants about the club.....why are you taking it so personally???????

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:56 pm

Right then, eyes down for a full house.....

I have no idea why you felt the need to start a thread aimed at abusing me on a message board which you (and I) believed I was banned from. Very peculiar behaviour indeed, but then you seem to be prone to that as evidenced by your latest avatar.

My views on the ridiculous re-brand have been well documented. As far as I'm concerned, what was a proud football club not so long ago has developed into a circus in recent months and almost everybody associated with it seems to have lost a grip on reality. Whether it be red and black kits, dragon emblems, players earning obscene amounts of money by Championship standards, owners who are clearly clueless about professional football, ceremonies to re-open a stadium that never closed, fireworks displays and dancing oriental dragons, adverts for products you can't even buy on this continent never mind in this country and supporters who are seemingly happy to gladly suck up any rubbish the club throws at them simply because the major shareholder is a rich man, the whole thing has become a farce and I want no part of it.

Apparently, Cardiff City Football Club is now being marketed to appeal to an audience of TV viewers in the Far East who have never even heard of it, let alone supported it. Meanwhile, the views of the local fanbase are largely irrelevant. Call me selfish, but I'd quite like the club to be shaped so that it appeals to those of us who have supported it all of our lives, but that's not going to happen any time soon. Emperor Tan his minions have clearly demonstrated they are content to ignore the supporters and trample on the club’s traditions in their quest for imaginary Asian revenue. Consequently, they will not be getting another penny from me.

The club now views people like you as consumers they can take for granted and you play the role to perfection as you offer the latest regime your unconditional support, just as you offered all the previous regimes your unconditional support. You state that you do not want the team to play in red and yet you're not even prepared to voice any objections about the situation, let alone raise any kind of genuine protests. Instead, you post incessant amounts of sycophantic drivel with regard to the Malaysian regime and talk of supporting the club as long as you have breath left in your body as if you are on some sort of noble crusade. It's cringeworthy and embarrassing. People like you must lack self respect.

I appreciate you would like those of us who have opposed the re-brand to stop posting on the message boards so that you can indulge in your happy-clappy fantasy football world without interruption, but it's not going to happen. People are going to continue to raise objections whether you like or not, even if the dissenters are in a small minority. Personally, I have cut my contributions down to a minimum, but I'm not going to disappear completely. I wouldn't give pissants like you the satisfaction.

Incidentally, the only time I post at work these days is during my lunch hour. Mr Day's intervention a couple of years ago saw to that, but that should be of no concern to a senile pensioner such as yourself anyway.[/quote]

Dave, I'm sorry I took so long to reply, as I have been in shock from your post, only two derogatory remarks in a longish post, pissant and senile :lol: anyway over the shock now, and as I have probably got less years than you remaining I will not waste what little time I have left arguing with you, so I will just carry on supporting city, starting tomorrow at Bristol
"Come on you Bluebirds" :thumbup: :old: :old: :old:

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:50 pm

Igovernor wrote:Steve you obviously have not seen the posts, on ccmb I am fed up to the teeth with him having a go at the club, that is not opinions, its just vitreol directed at the club, and the owners and board, including your friend. I respect all peoples opinions, but what I will not accept is a bitter ex fan taking every opportunity to slag MY club off


I noticed he's started another thread on mikes board having a go at carl AGAIN, it's becoming tedious and very childish.

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:54 pm

cityone wrote:
Igovernor wrote:Steve you obviously have not seen the posts, on ccmb I am fed up to the teeth with him having a go at the club, that is not opinions, its just vitreol directed at the club, and the owners and board, including your friend. I respect all peoples opinions, but what I will not accept is a bitter ex fan taking every opportunity to slag MY club off


I noticed he's started another thread on mikes board having a go at carl AGAIN, it's becoming tedious and very childish.


Got to say i thought the same when i saw it earlier, i enjoy his blogs and think he's a crackin writer but he needs to drop his obsession with carl, it's pathetic :oops:

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:07 pm

Daniel_PT_blues wrote:
cityone wrote:
Igovernor wrote:Steve you obviously have not seen the posts, on ccmb I am fed up to the teeth with him having a go at the club, that is not opinions, its just vitreol directed at the club, and the owners and board, including your friend. I respect all peoples opinions, but what I will not accept is a bitter ex fan taking every opportunity to slag MY club off


I noticed he's started another thread on mikes board having a go at carl AGAIN, it's becoming tedious and very childish.


Got to say i thought the same when i saw it earlier, i enjoy his blogs and think he's a crackin writer but he needs to drop his obsession with carl, it's pathetic :oops:


Totally agree, i,ve had a couple of heated discussions with him on mikes board about the re-brand, but i have to be honest and say that i will miss his blogs on the city games etc, he his a top writer and knows how to put a story out to the masses, but virtually every day he bangs on about the re-branding, he should give it a rest.

Re: Please please help? Re: TLG

Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:20 pm

Look at yourselves, just f*cking look at yourselves.

Your grown men, this is cringeworthy. Back in my day we'd sort such arguements out with our fists in the back room of the Tavi, you clowns are making a mockery of your generation. As far as i'm concerned your both cunts now take this somewhere else please. Sugarman you ought to know better than this.

By f**k how this club has fallen..

:old: :old: :old: