Why do old people know nothing about modern football?

Serious question, dont take it the wrong way but football has evolved. I bet I could name players a lot of the older generation do not even know exist from watching these talents. Seriously, why do they think they know everything and abuse the younger ones but really they know nothing of modern football?

Tactics these days are completely different, there are different positions such as the false number 9, the deep lying playmaker that was basically the role of Alonso at Liverpool, Britton at Swansea, etc.

Do not include managers as they have evolved with the game as it has gone on and know first hand the changes made and been instrumental in the changes so Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Rodgers etc. dont really count. They play good tactical based football.

Would be interesting to get a tactical explanation from someone, maybe a list they compiled on talents abroad and why they want them for their system. Lets see who is really good at this then.

Somebody has been playing football manager a bit too much

Neymar

nuff said

Neymar

nuff said

Lucas Moura is better than Neymar.

Somebody has been playing football manager a bit too much

I dont play that shit.

1) Neymar > Lucas
2) FM is NOT shit
3) I'll also take Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldo and Rooney

1) Neymar > Lucas
2) FM is NOT shit
3) I'll also take Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldo and Rooney

Lucas is better than Neymar. Neymar would get found out in the EPL. Too much focus on the tricks. He doesn't always set the world alight in Brazil either whereas Lucas regularly shines. Neymar doesn't possess the strength he would need in this league like Ronaldo did.

Neymar is holding out for that Barcelona or Madrid move so he can play in a league where you get space on the ball and he'll look awesome around a bunch of global stars.

Ganso is also very good.

1) Neymar > Lucas
2) FM is NOT shit
3) I'll also take Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldo and Rooney

Lucas is better than Neymar. Neymar would get found out in the EPL. Too much focus on the tricks. He doesn't always set the world alight in Brazil either whereas Lucas regularly shines. Neymar doesn't possess the strength he would need in this league like Ronaldo did.

Neymar is holding out for that Barcelona or Madrid move so he can play in a league where you get space on the ball and he'll look awesome around a bunch of global stars.

Ganso is also very good.

Which is why Neymar has been linked with Real, Chelsea and a number of other clubs at 40m+
Neymar is better. How much Brazilian football do you watch?
Ganso is young, he has potantial, but there are better players out there

1) Neymar > Lucas
2) FM is NOT shit
3) I'll also take Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldo and Rooney

Lucas is better than Neymar. Neymar would get found out in the EPL. Too much focus on the tricks. He doesn't always set the world alight in Brazil either whereas Lucas regularly shines. Neymar doesn't possess the strength he would need in this league like Ronaldo did.

Neymar is holding out for that Barcelona or Madrid move so he can play in a league where you get space on the ball and he'll look awesome around a bunch of global stars.

Ganso is also very good.

Which is why Neymar has been linked with Real, Chelsea and a number of other clubs at 40m+
Neymar is better. How much Brazilian football do you watch?
Ganso is young, he has potantial, but there are better players out there

Hes a scout apperantly dont question him

1) Neymar > Lucas
2) FM is NOT shit
3) I'll also take Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldo and Rooney

Lucas is better than Neymar. Neymar would get found out in the EPL. Too much focus on the tricks. He doesn't always set the world alight in Brazil either whereas Lucas regularly shines. Neymar doesn't possess the strength he would need in this league like Ronaldo did.

Neymar is holding out for that Barcelona or Madrid move so he can play in a league where you get space on the ball and he'll look awesome around a bunch of global stars.

Ganso is also very good.

Which is why Neymar has been linked with Real, Chelsea and a number of other clubs at 40m+
Neymar is better. How much Brazilian football do you watch?
Ganso is young, he has potantial, but there are better players out there

Lucas has been linked with them all too. Neymar is hyped because of his skills but he gets given so much time in Brazilian league. I watch it a lot. Manchester United, Real, Barca, Inter, Chelsea, all want Lucas but they're holding out for 40m euros +.

Lucas would be much better in Europe. I have to agree with Lucio sorry.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3276/ser ... n-european

Brazilians love skills, Neymar does them all the time. He has been hyped up because of it. Then his hair, his media deals, hes the Brazilian Beckham ( not in terms of style and play or position but, great commercially).

The reason Neymar only wants to go to La Liga is because it suits his style of play and he knows he wouldn't cope in the Premiership. He is a constant diver, spoilt brat on the pitch when he dont get his own way and would struggle with the physical English game.

1) Neymar > Lucas
2) FM is NOT shit
3) I'll also take Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldo and Rooney

Lucas is better than Neymar. Neymar would get found out in the EPL. Too much focus on the tricks. He doesn't always set the world alight in Brazil either whereas Lucas regularly shines. Neymar doesn't possess the strength he would need in this league like Ronaldo did.

Neymar is holding out for that Barcelona or Madrid move so he can play in a league where you get space on the ball and he'll look awesome around a bunch of global stars.

Ganso is also very good.

Which is why Neymar has been linked with Real, Chelsea and a number of other clubs at 40m+
Neymar is better. How much Brazilian football do you watch?
Ganso is young, he has potantial, but there are better players out there

Hes a scout apperantly dont question him

Man Utd should sign this guy up to the scouting team - he's in the know!

1) Neymar > Lucas
2) FM is NOT shit
3) I'll also take Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldo and Rooney

Lucas is better than Neymar. Neymar would get found out in the EPL. Too much focus on the tricks. He doesn't always set the world alight in Brazil either whereas Lucas regularly shines. Neymar doesn't possess the strength he would need in this league like Ronaldo did.

Neymar is holding out for that Barcelona or Madrid move so he can play in a league where you get space on the ball and he'll look awesome around a bunch of global stars.

Ganso is also very good.

Which is why Neymar has been linked with Real, Chelsea and a number of other clubs at 40m+
Neymar is better. How much Brazilian football do you watch?
Ganso is young, he has potantial, but there are better players out there

Lucas has been linked with them all too. Neymar is hyped because of his skills but he gets given so much time in Brazilian league. I watch it a lot. Manchester United, Real, Barca, Inter, Chelsea, all want Lucas but they're holding out for 40m euros +.

Lucas would be much better in Europe. I have to agree with Lucio sorry.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3276/ser ... n-european

Brazilians love skills, Neymar does them all the time. He has been hyped up because of it. Then his hair, his media deals, hes the Brazilian Beckham ( not in terms of style and play or position but, great commercially).

The reason Neymar only wants to go to La Liga is because it suits his style of play and he knows he wouldn't cope in the Premiership. He is a constant diver, spoilt brat on the pitch when he dont get his own way and would struggle with the physical English game.

To be fair I do agree with that paragraph. He is very talanted but his attitude lets him down. The physical side of the game i dont think would be such a problem with his movement but I agree he is too small.

1) Neymar > Lucas
2) FM is NOT shit
3) I'll also take Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldo and Rooney

Lucas is better than Neymar. Neymar would get found out in the EPL. Too much focus on the tricks. He doesn't always set the world alight in Brazil either whereas Lucas regularly shines. Neymar doesn't possess the strength he would need in this league like Ronaldo did.

Neymar is holding out for that Barcelona or Madrid move so he can play in a league where you get space on the ball and he'll look awesome around a bunch of global stars.

Ganso is also very good.

Which is why Neymar has been linked with Real, Chelsea and a number of other clubs at 40m+
Neymar is better. How much Brazilian football do you watch?
Ganso is young, he has potantial, but there are better players out there

Lucas has been linked with them all too. Neymar is hyped because of his skills but he gets given so much time in Brazilian league. I watch it a lot. Manchester United, Real, Barca, Inter, Chelsea, all want Lucas but they're holding out for 40m euros +.

Lucas would be much better in Europe. I have to agree with Lucio sorry.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3276/ser ... n-european

Brazilians love skills, Neymar does them all the time. He has been hyped up because of it. Then his hair, his media deals, hes the Brazilian Beckham ( not in terms of style and play or position but, great commercially).

The reason Neymar only wants to go to La Liga is because it suits his style of play and he knows he wouldn't cope in the Premiership. He is a constant diver, spoilt brat on the pitch when he dont get his own way and would struggle with the physical English game.

I disagree. He would be electric in the Premier League, and playing alongside Rooney - Utd would gain back their advantage over city (assuming they sign a new playmaker too)

Even though Neymar is small he would still set the premiership on fire. He's one of the few players that you can give the ball to when there is nothing else on, he can have a man up his ass, one to his side he will chop it the other way and play the ball.The movement off the ball from him is some of the best you will see, so hard to mark a player like him. His pace and and speed of his feet is crazy, tonight he flicked the ball forward the CD had 10 yards on him and he still left him for dead.

What is funny with this thread is the names being mentioned, Lucas, Neymar, Oscar and Ganso you all missed the stand out player of that team Romulo. That boy is a different class, he allows the attacking players to do what they want.

Going back to the original message, you say the position of false number 9 what do you mean by this? A number 9 is there to score you calls and that's it. You don't want him picking the ball up 30 yards from goal and scoring a worldy, you want him in the box scoring tap ins. Leave all the fancy stuff to your number 10.

Even though Neymar is small he would still set the premiership on fire. He's one of the few players that you can give the ball to when there is nothing else on, he can have a man up his ass, one to his side he will chop it the other way and play the ball.The movement off the ball from him is some of the best you will see, so hard to mark a player like him. His pace and and speed of his feet is crazy, tonight he flicked the ball forward the CD had 10 yards on him and he still left him for dead.

What is funny with this thread is the names being mentioned, Lucas, Neymar, Oscar and Ganso you all missed the stand out player of that team Romulo. That boy is a different class, he allows the attacking players to do what they want.

Going back to the original message, you say the position of false number 9 what do you mean by this? A number 9 is there to score you calls and that's it. You don't want him picking the ball up 30 yards from goal and scoring a worldy, you want him in the box scoring tap ins. Leave all the fancy stuff to your number 10.

False number 9 - i.e. Fabregas in Spain's Euro 2012 win. Not a true striker but in the number 9 role. They drop deep and link up with the play so its essentially a 4-6 formation.

I dont think Neymar would set the prem on fire. He will be another Robinho in the prem. The difference with Ronaldo was his strength and height and he could leap into the box and score headers. He had skill but was physical. Neymar dont have that edge to his game and is a bit of a fairy truth be told. We all thought Ronaldo was bad for diving but if you watched him regularly its shocking. I agree with your point on Romulo but he's struggling to make it in the Brazil set up because Lucas Leiva of Liverpool, before his injury was doing so well for them.

So much talent in Brazil but they cant all fit in the national team which is a shame. Still think Lucas will be a better buy and the smarter option. I think Neymar will go La Liga as it'll suit him and the team he joins. He'll get loads of respect in La Liga and given time on the ball to play as he mesmerises them with his skill. In the prem you dont get that and he'd probably end up with a broken leg sooner than later.

Even my spanish mates who i know of because of university dont want him at real or barca. My Barca mate said he'd rather Sergio Aguero and Real mate said he wants Lucas or that Gotze. The one who supports Barca is pretty switched on when it comes to football, was on the Atletico youth setup when he was younger and quit to do other stuff and they were frequently taken to Barcelonas training ground to learn from them, which I found funny

Before uni I was pretty oblivious to Brazilian football but now over the last few years been into it a lot, more than a lot of european football.

Most watched leagues are probably EPL, La Liga, Championship obviously for City, Bundesliga and Brazilian league. French league bores me so I dont watch it nor the turkish league, rarely the dutch league. So ask me anything about those leagues and probably wont have an answer in terms of details on a specific player.

One player I have been watching with close interest though is Kevin Strootman.

You are an absolute belle#d my friend! Sir alex manages united at 70, redknapp, hodgson, all over 60. The 'in' scout at the moment is carr at newcastle who is classed as 'old' wengers in the old bracket. Lippi, fabio cappello, the spanish manager. For odies they haven't done to bad in modern football have they! Stop reading someone elses opinion and printing it on here as your own. You have very quickly become the worst poster on here there has ever been. You make it sound like you are a masiah!

Cant you see this LAD is another Roath Magic

A youngster in university on this thread, an adult who doesnt give a f**k for the likes of Gwyn or Macca in another .

Wants modern football in this thread but wants to join the WPL in another.

People are so gullable.

You are an absolute belle#d my friend! Sir alex manages united at 70, redknapp, hodgson, all over 60. The 'in' scout at the moment is carr at newcastle who is classed as 'old' wengers in the old bracket. Lippi, fabio cappello, the spanish manager. For odies they haven't done to bad in modern football have they! Stop reading someone elses opinion and printing it on here as your own. You have very quickly become the worst poster on here there has ever been. You make it sound like you are a masiah!

Read the OP 'belle#d'

I specifically mentioned managers. You've made yourself lok stupid now. Dear god, what a clown.

and i quote

Do not include managers as they have evolved with the game as it has gone on and know first hand the changes made and been instrumental in the changes so Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Rodgers etc. dont really count. They play good tactical based football.

Please justify your retardation....

Serious question, dont take it the wrong way but football has evolved. I bet I could name players a lot of the older generation do not even know exist from watching these talents. Seriously, why do they think they know everything and abuse the younger ones but really they know nothing of modern football?

Tactics these days are completely different, there are different positions such as the false number 9, the deep lying playmaker that was basically the role of Alonso at Liverpool, Britton at Swansea, etc.

Do not include managers as they have evolved with the game as it has gone on and know first hand the changes made and been instrumental in the changes so Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Rodgers etc. dont really count. They play good tactical based football.

Would be interesting to get a tactical explanation from someone, maybe a list they compiled on talents abroad and why they want them for their system. Lets see who is really good at this then.

I may be 49 but I do know that Britton is just a little shite

1) Neymar > Lucas
2) FM is NOT shit
3) I'll also take Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldo and Rooney

Lucas is better than Neymar. Neymar would get found out in the EPL. Too much focus on the tricks. He doesn't always set the world alight in Brazil either whereas Lucas regularly shines. Neymar doesn't possess the strength he would need in this league like Ronaldo did.

Neymar is holding out for that Barcelona or Madrid move so he can play in a league where you get space on the ball and he'll look awesome around a bunch of global stars.

Ganso is also very good.

Sorry but what the f**k is the EPL I am assuming you are reffering to the Premier League? It has never been called The English Premier league so why abbreviate it to such. It's a particular bug bear of mine, I usually let it go but if your gonna be a condescending tw*t then get the name of the league right first

1) Neymar > Lucas
2) FM is NOT shit
3) I'll also take Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldo and Rooney

Lucas is better than Neymar. Neymar would get found out in the EPL. Too much focus on the tricks. He doesn't always set the world alight in Brazil either whereas Lucas regularly shines. Neymar doesn't possess the strength he would need in this league like Ronaldo did.

Neymar is holding out for that Barcelona or Madrid move so he can play in a league where you get space on the ball and he'll look awesome around a bunch of global stars.

Ganso is also very good.

Sorry but what the f**k is the EPL I am assuming you are reffering to the Premier League? It has never been called The English Premier league so why abbreviate it to such. It's a particular bug bear of mine, I usually let it go but if your gonna be a condescending tw*t then get the name of the league right first

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League

Outside of England it is commonly referred to as the English Premier League (EPL).

I live outside of England.

1) Neymar > Lucas
2) FM is NOT shit
3) I'll also take Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldo and Rooney

Lucas is better than Neymar. Neymar would get found out in the EPL. Too much focus on the tricks. He doesn't always set the world alight in Brazil either whereas Lucas regularly shines. Neymar doesn't possess the strength he would need in this league like Ronaldo did.

Neymar is holding out for that Barcelona or Madrid move so he can play in a league where you get space on the ball and he'll look awesome around a bunch of global stars.

Ganso is also very good.

Sorry but what the f**k is the EPL I am assuming you are reffering to the Premier League? It has never been called The English Premier league so why abbreviate it to such. It's a particular bug bear of mine, I usually let it go but if your gonna be a condescending tw*t then get the name of the league right first

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League

Outside of England it is commonly referred to as the English Premier League (EPL).

I live outside of England.

Outside England it is incorrectly called the English Premier League then as it has never been officially known as the English Premier League. Same as The FA isn't the EFA and the Football League isn't the EFL.

Just because others refer to it incorrectly doesn't mean it isn't still wrong.

Like I say I wouldn't normally be arsed picking someone up on semantics but the condescending nature of your posts in this thread has rubbed me up the wrong way.

Your shocking generalisation is either woefully naive or deliberately provocative. As the whole point of this thread seems to be highlighting your intelligence, sadly I'm inclined to think it is the latter and you are being deliberately obnoxious and offensive.

Shame as you are clearly a bright guy and probably post some interesting points hidden amongst all the arrogance

Serious question, dont take it the wrong way but football has evolved. I bet I could name players a lot of the older generation do not even know exist from watching these talents. Seriously, why do they think they know everything and abuse the younger ones but really they know nothing of modern football?

Tactics these days are completely different, there are different positions such as the false number 9, the deep lying playmaker that was basically the role of Alonso at Liverpool, Britton at Swansea, etc.

Do not include managers as they have evolved with the game as it has gone on and know first hand the changes made and been instrumental in the changes so Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Rodgers etc. dont really count. They play good tactical based football.

Would be interesting to get a tactical explanation from someone, maybe a list they compiled on talents abroad and why they want them for their system. Lets see who is really good at this then.

Serious answer. This new position 'false number 9'

Kenny Dalglish used to play exactly the same position at Liverpool in the 80's.
He'd hit the box, then drop out again, bring other players into the game, float
around outside the box.... then viola... there he is again in the 6yd box. BANG..1-0

Your spot on about these little Argies/Brazilians etc not being physically strong enough for
the 'EPL' ... back in the day, little Osvaldo Ardiles was shit for Spurs, barely got a kick
and was bullied all day long. That was in the old first division where they could kick you
6ft up in the air and YOU'd get booked for getting in the way!!!

Listen... you cant touch the little fellers these days. There is little or no physicality in the
modern day game. Aaron lennon, Nasri... these lightweights seem to do alright?

Maradona? Messi?

Your problem is, its quite obvious you've never kicked a football in your life. Try marking a
shorter player, with a lower centre of gravity. They know how to use that to their advantage
and barring kicking them up in the air (which is foul play, and if the 'referee's assistant' catches
you then it could be a yellow!!)

From your post, are you suggesting that ex players etc are not the best equipped to manage
'modern football' Clubs?

Serious question, dont take it the wrong way but football has evolved. I bet I could name players a lot of the older generation do not even know exist from watching these talents. Seriously, why do they think they know everything and abuse the younger ones but really they know nothing of modern football?

Tactics these days are completely different, there are different positions such as the false number 9, the deep lying playmaker that was basically the role of Alonso at Liverpool, Britton at Swansea, etc.

Do not include managers as they have evolved with the game as it has gone on and know first hand the changes made and been instrumental in the changes so Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Rodgers etc. dont really count. They play good tactical based football.

Would be interesting to get a tactical explanation from someone, maybe a list they compiled on talents abroad and why they want them for their system. Lets see who is really good at this then.

And a twelve year old like you knows it all. I hear CBBC has a channel that runs until bed time. Go watch.

Big Ron Redbird , serious suggestion ! Take a hike down the M4 mate ; )

/quote]
False number 9 - i.e. Fabregas in Spain's Euro 2012 win. Not a true striker but in the number 9 role. They drop deep and link up with the play so its essentially a 4-6 formation.
/quote]

The 4-6 formation won't catch on, not many player will have the players good enough to play it. The false number 9 is something you've made up i think. The role you are talking about is the number 10 role.

Serious answer. This new position 'false number 9'

Kenny Dalglish used to play exactly the same position at Liverpool in the 80's.
He'd hit the box, then drop out again, bring other players into the game, float
around outside the box.... then viola... there he is again in the 6yd box. BANG..1-0

Your spot on about these little Argies/Brazilians etc not being physically strong enough for
the 'EPL' ... back in the day, little Osvaldo Ardiles was shit for Spurs, barely got a kick
and was bullied all day long. That was in the old first division where they could kick you
6ft up in the air and YOU'd get booked for getting in the way!!!

Listen... you cant touch the little fellers these days. There is little or no physicality in the
modern day game. Aaron lennon, Nasri... these lightweights seem to do alright?

Maradona? Messi?

Your problem is, its quite obvious you've never kicked a football in your life. Try marking a
shorter player, with a lower centre of gravity. They know how to use that to their advantage
and barring kicking them up in the air (which is foul play, and if the 'referee's assistant' catches
you then it could be a yellow!!)

From your post, are you suggesting that ex players etc are not the best equipped to manage
'modern football' Clubs?

Dalglish did not play the false number 9. Can't believe anyone would think this.

Please read the full post, I specifically mention managers.

And a twelve year old like you knows it all. I hear CBBC has a channel that runs until bed time. Go watch.

Thanks. Im most certainly 12. Must be a really intelligent 12 year. I have a degree and im a football scout. Go me.

/quote]
False number 9 - i.e. Fabregas in Spain's Euro 2012 win. Not a true striker but in the number 9 role. They drop deep and link up with the play so its essentially a 4-6 formation.
/quote]

The 4-6 formation won't catch on, not many player will have the players good enough to play it. The false number 9 is something you've made up i think. The role you are talking about is the number 10 role.

THIS FURTHER BACKS UP MY POINT. THE FALSE NUMBER 9 DOES EXIST.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(a ... n_football)#False_9

Also anyone with a decent degree should know that wiki is not an acceptable resource for referencing as its peer generated content and therefore subject to inaccuracies.

Don't forget Oscar and Ganso.

Oscar's attacking flare, skill and power is equal to that of Lucas Moura and Neymar, but he lacks greed, which is where the other two fall apart 80% of the time.

Ganso, on the other hand, doesn't offer quite as much pace, but what he lacks there is made up in his technical ability.

Oscar/Ganso > Lucas/Neymar

Football scout or cub scout? I can definitely picture you in you're element giving the kids the lessons on football or "soccer" as I'd imagine you'd call it being all modern!