The formation of KCB was provocative in itself

That is the truth.

Until then we had a bunch of fans who just had different opinions.

As soon as KCB started we had an official split.

KCB group vs the rest

That is obviously going to raise tensions.

I understand KCB's point, I support it but not by attending their meetings. I support going back to blue solely. The reason I didnt get involved was I knew it'd lead to thi

It was fairly obvious it would lead to this.

How would KCB feel if a group was set up for KCR? I know exactly as i've been to told to expect abuse at games if I wear red.

The abuse i've had off pro blue over the last month has pushed me more towards red. Its a sad day when you support and want the same thing as fellow fans but because you're not speaking up and being loud about it you get abused and branded a sell out.

Im pro blue, im just going about my business professionally. Setting up KCB led to an instant segregation and anyone with a knowledge of history knows that is a provocative action.

MERDE

what absolute shit

what absolute shit

f*cking embarrassing isnt it!

what he's basically saying is that the pro-blues should not have made their feelings known through what they wanted to be peaceful protests incase a bunch of cowards turned up threatening them!

like f*cking giving in to the school bully or something.

Redbird - you're absolutely right. But the KCB can't see that, because they don't want to.

If we ever do change back to blue (and I sincerely hope we do) it won't be because of anything that the KCB do. It will, again, be down to a business decision, for example cashing in on the "retro blue" look in about 20 years time.

what absolute shit

f*cking embarrassing isnt it!

what he's basically saying is that the pro-blues should have not made their feelings know through what they wanted to be peaceful protests incase a bunch of cowards turned up threatening them!

like f*cking giving in to the school bully or something.

Nonsense. Did you see a pro red campaign? DID YOU? No.

You set up the segregation. Im pro blue, i've told the club my feelings on a 1 to 1 basis respectfully. This KCB campaign will just see the media attribute violence with KCB and thats it. The club will live on but the campaign and blue supporters will start losing the battle once the media turn on us.

Cheers for that.

Personally I couldn't give a rat's arse if a KCR group was set up, and I'm damn sure I wouldn't attend any meetings should they have any as they'd be of no interest to me... Oh... Sorry.... That's not the answer you were looking for was it... how about, I'd turn up and threaten everyone that was there...... Actually, No I wouldn't because I'm not a mindless, moronic thug who believes no one else is entitled to an opinion of their own....

what absolute shit

f*cking embarrassing isnt it!

what he's basically saying is that the pro-blues should not have made their feelings known through what they wanted to be peaceful protests incase a bunch of cowards turned up threatening them!

like f*cking giving in to the school bully or something.

In other news, Syrian rebels are to blame for being murdered by forming a loosely based organisation AFTER the killings by the government started

On next weeks show - The Jews of WWII who provoked the Nazis by congregating in death camps and wearing a uniform of striped pyjamas.

what absolute shit

f*cking embarrassing isnt it!

what he's basically saying is that the pro-blues should not have made their feelings known through what they wanted to be peaceful protests incase a bunch of cowards turned up threatening them!

like f*cking giving in to the school bully or something.

In other news, Syrian rebels are to blame for being murdered by forming a loosely based organisation AFTER the killings by the government started

On next weeks show - The Jews of WWII who provoked the Nazis by congregating in death camps and wearing a uniform of striped pyjamas.

what absolute shit

f*cking embarrassing isnt it!

what he's basically saying is that the pro-blues should not have made their feelings known through what they wanted to be peaceful protests incase a bunch of cowards turned up threatening them!

like f*cking giving in to the school bully or something.

In other news, Syrian rebels are to blame for being murdered by forming a loosely based organisation AFTER the killings by the government started

On next weeks show - The Jews of WWII who provoked the Nazis by congregating in death camps and wearing a uniform of striped pyjamas.

LAZY RESPONSE.

what absolute shit

f*cking embarrassing isnt it!

what he's basically saying is that the pro-blues should have not made their feelings know through what they wanted to be peaceful protests incase a bunch of cowards turned up threatening them!

like f*cking giving in to the school bully or something.

Nonsense. Did you see a pro red campaign? DID YOU? No.

You set up the segregation. Im pro blue, i've told the club my feelings on a 1 to 1 basis respectfully. This KCB campaign will just see the media attribute violence with KCB and thats it. The club will live on but the campaign and blue supporters will start losing the battle once the media turn on us.

Cheers for that.

Obviously you don't need a pro-red campaign though when its already in place.

Your whole point is that this campaign shouldnt have happened in case people against it turned up threatening them!

Why should they not voice their opinions through protests because of this? Your point just makes no sense at all to me.

In your logic do rape victims who wear provacative clothing deserved to get raped?

what absolute shit

f*cking embarrassing isnt it!

what he's basically saying is that the pro-blues should have not made their feelings know through what they wanted to be peaceful protests incase a bunch of cowards turned up threatening them!

like f*cking giving in to the school bully or something.

Nonsense. Did you see a pro red campaign? DID YOU? No.

You set up the segregation. Im pro blue, i've told the club my feelings on a 1 to 1 basis respectfully. This KCB campaign will just see the media attribute violence with KCB and thats it. The club will live on but the campaign and blue supporters will start losing the battle once the media turn on us.

Cheers for that.

Obviously you don't need a pro-red campaign though when its already in place.

Your whole point is that this campaign shouldnt have happened in case people against it turned up threatening them!

Why should they not voice their opinions through protests because of this? Your point just makes no sense at all to me.

or any other sensible human being with the capability to form rational thoughts....

what absolute shit

f*cking embarrassing isnt it!

what he's basically saying is that the pro-blues should not have made their feelings known through what they wanted to be peaceful protests incase a bunch of cowards turned up threatening them!

like f*cking giving in to the school bully or something.

In other news, Syrian rebels are to blame for being murdered by forming a loosely based organisation AFTER the killings by the government started

On next weeks show - The Jews of WWII who provoked the Nazis by congregating in death camps and wearing a uniform of striped pyjamas.

exactly

its seriously just unbelievable.

How can anyone believe setting up a peaceful protest group.. and a group turning up causing trouble because they disagree and threatening violence.... are the same thing, is beyond me.

It's embarrassing.

what absolute shit

f*cking embarrassing isnt it!

what he's basically saying is that the pro-blues should not have made their feelings known through what they wanted to be peaceful protests incase a bunch of cowards turned up threatening them!

like f*cking giving in to the school bully or something.

In other news, Syrian rebels are to blame for being murdered by forming a loosely based organisation AFTER the killings by the government started

On next weeks show - The Jews of WWII who provoked the Nazis by congregating in death camps and wearing a uniform of striped pyjamas.

LAZY RESPONSE.

LAZY RESPONSE would be to call you a c**t.

That is the truth.

Until then we had a bunch of fans who just had different opinions.

As soon as KCB started we had an official split.

KCB group vs the rest

That is obviously going to raise tensions.

I understand KCB's point, I support it but not by attending their meetings. I support going back to blue solely. The reason I didnt get involved was I knew it'd lead to thi

It was fairly obvious it would lead to this.

How would KCB feel if a group was set up for KCR? I know exactly as i've been to told to expect abuse at games if I wear red.

The abuse i've had off pro blue over the last month has pushed me more towards red. Its a sad day when you support and want the same thing as fellow fans but because you're not speaking up and being loud about it you get abused and branded a sell out.

Im pro blue, im just going about my business professionally. Setting up KCB led to an instant segregation and anyone with a knowledge of history knows that is a provocative action.

What a load of old Bollocks. If supporters feel strongly enough to try and organize peaceful protests against a total change of club identity they have every right to do so without be threatened/intimidated. If the reports coming out are true and they seem to be backed by loads of different people then the pro red group are bang out of order, who the f**k do they think they are.

That is the truth.

Until then we had a bunch of fans who just had different opinions.

As soon as KCB started we had an official split.

KCB group vs the rest

That is obviously going to raise tensions.

I understand KCB's point, I support it but not by attending their meetings. I support going back to blue solely. The reason I didnt get involved was I knew it'd lead to thi

It was fairly obvious it would lead to this.

How would KCB feel if a group was set up for KCR? I know exactly as i've been to told to expect abuse at games if I wear red.

The abuse i've had off pro blue over the last month has pushed me more towards red. Its a sad day when you support and want the same thing as fellow fans but because you're not speaking up and being loud about it you get abused and branded a sell out.

Im pro blue, im just going about my business professionally. Setting up KCB led to an instant segregation and anyone with a knowledge of history knows that is a provocative action.

What a load of old Bollocks. If supporters feel strongly enough to try and organize peaceful protests against a total change of club identity they have every right to do so without be threatened/intimidated. If the reports coming out are true and they seem to be backed by loads of different people then the pro red group are bang out of order, who the f**k do they think they are.

spot on mate!

it would be like giving to the playground bully!

it's such a ridiculous post, makes me angry to just read it.

So stupidly narrow-minded, it really is embarrassing.

what absolute shit

f*cking embarrassing isnt it!

what he's basically saying is that the pro-blues should not have made their feelings known through what they wanted to be peaceful protests incase a bunch of cowards turned up threatening them!

like f*cking giving in to the school bully or something.

In other news, Syrian rebels are to blame for being murdered by forming a loosely based organisation AFTER the killings by the government started

On next weeks show - The Jews of WWII who provoked the Nazis by congregating in death camps and wearing a uniform of striped pyjamas.

LAZY RESPONSE.

LAZY RESPONSE would be to call you a c**t.

Yeah, that's just the kind of unfunny, dim-wit response I would have expected.

Knob.

MERDE

No one gives a shit for your opinion. You've been stirring since day one on CCMB and thats a fact. You''re one of the reasons I have distanced myself from KCB because you're so washed up in your own pathetic ideological world of how CCFC should be that you're ignorant of everything else.

I knew this KCB campaign would come to this, anyone with a brain cell did because thats what happens when you start segregating.

Your whole 'support' for CCFC has been based on your own self importance since day one, not what the majority of fans think, but your own view. You are one fish in a very large pond. You are not a shark, no one needs to give a shit about you. You think they do, but quite frankly most with a mind of their own do not give one shit about your existence. Ive been going down city for years supporting the club and its only over the last 2 years that I even knew you breathed the same air as me.

You are a cardiff fan yet have routinely run down those who are not KCB down on CCMB. Well now its your turn to be run down. Even though you think you are something special, you are not. You are a city fan, as are many thousands of other people. Your view is of equal importance to theirs. The sad thing is, you think you know better yet less than 1% could even give a shit to support the KCB campaign.

You want to know the real reason KCB hasnt got as many supporters as you'd like? Its not because of its aim, its because of the people involved and thats a fact.

If the KCB campaign kept itself private and acted professionally, i'd join, however so many of the KCB supporters seem intent on WUMMING on the messageboards. Thats the reason redbluebirds was setup because of constant belittling from pro blues on CCMB. That led to a response from pro red and in turn, infighting occurred.

Congratulations on your achievement because it'll be your only one. The club wont go back blue unless we get a new investor or Tan pulls out. I'd love to go back blue and the day we do as I know we will Ill rejoice in the fact that the club got their for other reasons than the KCB campaign.

what absolute shit

f*cking embarrassing isnt it!

what he's basically saying is that the pro-blues should not have made their feelings known through what they wanted to be peaceful protests incase a bunch of cowards turned up threatening them!

like f*cking giving in to the school bully or something.

In other news, Syrian rebels are to blame for being murdered by forming a loosely based organisation AFTER the killings by the government started

On next weeks show - The Jews of WWII who provoked the Nazis by congregating in death camps and wearing a uniform of striped pyjamas.

LAZY RESPONSE.

LAZY RESPONSE would be to call you a c**t.

Yeah, that's just the kind of unfunny, dim-wit response I would have expected.

Knob.

Resorting to name calling, tut tut. Read closely, I didn't actually call you a c**t. Just shows your moral fibre - or lack, thereof.

MERDE

A LOAD OF INANE BABBLE THAT DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE REPRINTED

Pardon?

That is the truth.

Until then we had a bunch of fans who just had different opinions.

As soon as KCB started we had an official split.

KCB group vs the rest

That is obviously going to raise tensions.

I understand KCB's point, I support it but not by attending their meetings. I support going back to blue solely. The reason I didnt get involved was I knew it'd lead to thi

It was fairly obvious it would lead to this.

How would KCB feel if a group was set up for KCR? I know exactly as i've been to told to expect abuse at games if I wear red.

The abuse i've had off pro blue over the last month has pushed me more towards red. Its a sad day when you support and want the same thing as fellow fans but because you're not speaking up and being loud about it you get abused and branded a sell out.

Im pro blue, im just going about my business professionally. Setting up KCB led to an instant segregation and anyone with a knowledge of history knows that is a provocative action.

What a load of old Bollocks. If supporters feel strongly enough to try and organize peaceful protests against a total change of club identity they have every right to do so without be threatened/intimidated. If the reports coming out are true and they seem to be backed by loads of different people then the pro red group are bang out of order, who the f**k do they think they are.

Give me a break. KCB knew this wouldn't end up peaceful. They knew that since day one as did anyone with a braincell. The most peaceful way of action would have been keeping KCB affairs private and protesting at the games. Instead they broadcasted their affairs all over the MB's to entice a reaction.

MERDE

A LOAD OF INANE BABBLE THAT DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE REPRINTED

Pardon?

Truth hurts? Thought so. Ill take this argument as won, cheers mate. Hopefully one day we'll be back blue and when that happens I wont thank the enticing KCB sheep, I'll thank the fans that sat by and supported CCFC and protested peacefully and independently instead of setting up provocative and segregative groups.

That is the truth.

Until then we had a bunch of fans who just had different opinions.

As soon as KCB started we had an official split.

KCB group vs the rest

That is obviously going to raise tensions.

I understand KCB's point, I support it but not by attending their meetings. I support going back to blue solely. The reason I didnt get involved was I knew it'd lead to thi

It was fairly obvious it would lead to this.

How would KCB feel if a group was set up for KCR? I know exactly as i've been to told to expect abuse at games if I wear red.

The abuse i've had off pro blue over the last month has pushed me more towards red. Its a sad day when you support and want the same thing as fellow fans but because you're not speaking up and being loud about it you get abused and branded a sell out.

Im pro blue, im just going about my business professionally. Setting up KCB led to an instant segregation and anyone with a knowledge of history knows that is a provocative action.

What a load of old Bollocks. If supporters feel strongly enough to try and organize peaceful protests against a total change of club identity they have every right to do so without be threatened/intimidated. If the reports coming out are true and they seem to be backed by loads of different people then the pro red group are bang out of order, who the f**k do they think they are.

Give me a break. KCB knew this wouldn't end up peaceful. They knew that since day one as did anyone with a braincell. The most peaceful way of action would have been keeping KCB affairs private and protesting at the games. Instead they broadcasted their affairs all over the MB's to entice a reaction.

Which is their democratic right by the way.

MERDE

A LOAD OF INANE BABBLE THAT DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE REPRINTED

Pardon?

Truth hurts? Thought so. Ill take this argument as won, cheers mate. Hopefully one day we'll be back blue and when that happens I wont thank the enticing KCB sheep, I'll thank the fans that sat by and supported CCFC and protested peacefully and independently instead of setting up provocative and segregative groups.

YOO SPESHALLL

That is the truth.

Until then we had a bunch of fans who just had different opinions.

As soon as KCB started we had an official split.

KCB group vs the rest

That is obviously going to raise tensions.

I understand KCB's point, I support it but not by attending their meetings. I support going back to blue solely. The reason I didnt get involved was I knew it'd lead to thi

It was fairly obvious it would lead to this.

How would KCB feel if a group was set up for KCR? I know exactly as i've been to told to expect abuse at games if I wear red.

The abuse i've had off pro blue over the last month has pushed me more towards red. Its a sad day when you support and want the same thing as fellow fans but because you're not speaking up and being loud about it you get abused and branded a sell out.

Im pro blue, im just going about my business professionally. Setting up KCB led to an instant segregation and anyone with a knowledge of history knows that is a provocative action.

What a load of old Bollocks. If supporters feel strongly enough to try and organize peaceful protests against a total change of club identity they have every right to do so without be threatened/intimidated. If the reports coming out are true and they seem to be backed by loads of different people then the pro red group are bang out of order, who the f**k do they think they are.

Give me a break. KCB knew this wouldn't end up peaceful. They knew that since day one as did anyone with a braincell. The most peaceful way of action would have been keeping KCB affairs private and protesting at the games. Instead they broadcasted their affairs all over the MB's to entice a reaction.

Ok. Say you're right just for arguments sake.

Say KCB knew that people would turn up looking for trouble.

Why the hell should this stop them from organising the meeting?

They werent the ones who wanted the trouble, or went out looking for it.

They arranged the meeting simply because they don't agree with the rebranding.

So let's say your point is true, why should they give in to them?

Ok. Say you're right just for arguments sake.

Say KCB knew that people would turn up looking for trouble.

Why the hell should this stop them from organising the meeting?

They werent the ones who wanted the trouble, or went out looking for it.

They arranged the meeting simply because they don't agree with the rebranding.

So let's say your point is true, why should they give in to them?

I have no issue with the meeting.

I have an issue with advertising and belittling all over the messageboards trying to entice a reaction just like tonights. KCB has its own members who sign up and its own forum. Why not advertise it there for members sake only?

The meeting is perfectly fine IMO and what i'd support if it was done peacefully. My problem is the select few of idiots within KCB who cant keep their mouths shut and like to WUM causing friction on the messageboards which leads to incidents like tonight and then the same KCB idiots (a minority I must admit) are the ones screaming blasphemy on the MB's saying how bad the so called pro red were.

Dont provoke a reaction and then when you get one scream murder as some of them have done. The main reason I didnt get involved and thats exactly why I posted last night and low and behold tonight it happened.

Ok. Say you're right just for arguments sake.

Say KCB knew that people would turn up looking for trouble.

Why the hell should this stop them from organising the meeting?

They werent the ones who wanted the trouble, or went out looking for it.

They arranged the meeting simply because they don't agree with the rebranding.

So let's say your point is true, why should they give in to them?

I have no issue with the meeting.

I have an issue with advertising and belittling all over the messageboards trying to entice a reaction just like tonights. KCB has its own members who sign up and its own forum. Why not advertise it there for members sake only?

The meeting is perfectly fine IMO and what i'd support if it was done peacefully. My problem is the select few of idiots within KCB who cant keep their mouths shut and like to WUM causing friction on the messageboards which leads to incidents like tonight and then the same KCB idiots (a minority I must admit) are the ones screaming blasphemy on the MB's saying how bad the so called pro red were.

Dont provoke a reaction and then when you get one scream murder as some of them have done. The main reason I didnt get involved and thats exactly why I posted last night and low and behold tonight it happened.

but i dont understand mate why you think they would want to provoke a reaction from those who are accepting the rebranding?

What would that achieve.

In my opinion, posting on MBs such as this is just to increase the awareness and gain support for the group, not to provoke anyone.

Surely the sole purpose of this group is to get Cardiff playing in blue again, that's it.

but i dont understand mate why you think they would want to provoke a reaction from those who are accepting the rebranding?

What would that achieve.

In my opinion, posting on MBs such as this is just to increase the awareness and gain support for the group, not to provoke anyone.

Surely the sole purpose of this group is to get Cardiff playing in blue again, that's it.

No offence mate because im sure you're an intelligent person but have you seen some of the names associated with the KCB campaign? Not really names of peacefulness are they? I know some of them are no longer that way inclined but there has been a lot of provocation on CCMB and i quit that message board to be rid of it. I dont feel happy on a board where im told if i wear red at a game that I should be aware of what might happen. Basically, a snide threat. There is no need from such from both sides.

Im not saying those who turned up tonight are blameless, far from it. However there are a small section of KCB who want to cause this type of reaction whether it be for their own self importance or to turn the media etc against the others. Well tonight it worked for them because according to Wales Online's accounts they seem like the 'victims'.

As far as im concerned, Im an adult who can make up my own mind, go to games, speak with the trust, speak with the club and ill support the club. I know there will be many KCB campaigners who are peaceful like in most walks of life, however a small minority with glorified images of themselves are ruining it for the masses. The same can be said for the idiots who turned up as well.

There are numerous ways to raise awareness but its not being done just that way. Check CCMB yourself. The reason I and many have quit is because of constant abuse and belittlement. Whilst some can just walk away you'll always get some like Gwyn and his lot that will react i.e. meet fire with fire. As far as im concerned, all those with this nature are idiots.

but i dont understand mate why you think they would want to provoke a reaction from those who are accepting the rebranding?

What would that achieve.

In my opinion, posting on MBs such as this is just to increase the awareness and gain support for the group, not to provoke anyone.

Surely the sole purpose of this group is to get Cardiff playing in blue again, that's it.

No offence mate because im sure you're an intelligent person but have you seen some of the names associated with the KCB campaign? Not really names of peacefulness are they? I know some of them are no longer that way inclined but there has been a lot of provocation on CCMB and i quit that message board to be rid of it. I dont feel happy on a board where im told if i wear red at a game that I should be aware of what might happen. Basically, a snide threat. There is no need from such from both sides.

Im not saying those who turned up tonight are blameless, far from it. However there are a small section of KCB who want to cause this type of reaction whether it be for their own self importance or to turn the media etc against the others. Well tonight it worked for them because according to Wales Online's accounts they seem like the 'victims'.

As far as im concerned, Im an adult who can make up my own mind, go to games, speak with the trust, speak with the club and ill support the club. I know there will be many KCB campaigners who are peaceful like in most walks of life, however a small minority with glorified images of themselves are ruining it for the masses. The same can be said for the idiots who turned up as well.

There are numerous ways to raise awareness but its not being done just that way. Check CCMB yourself. The reason I and many have quit is because of constant abuse and belittlement. Whilst some can just walk away you'll always get some like Gwyn and his lot that will react i.e. meet fire with fire. As far as im concerned, all those with this nature are idiots.

The thing is mate, even though i can understand where your coming from a bit more now, i think the way you expressed it originally was just totally wrong.

I still really dont see what this group would have got out of provoking the "pro reds" and i 100% believe that the group who turned up tonight intent on provokation are the ones to blame here.

Rather than argue amongst us, because Cardiff fans are doing enough of that at the moment, let's just agree that we disagree on this issue and leave it at that.