POMPEY/PREMIERSHIP ?

I was listening to the radio today and many on there were saying the cause of Pompeys demise was trying to stay in the Premiership and having players on £35,000 to £100,000 a week. Many said they would never have been in this trouble if they had never tried to compete with the big boys.Then once relegated they were still paying these wages.

Interesting.


Any opinions.

I was listening to the radio today and many on there were saying the cause of Pompeys demise was trying to stay in the Premiership and having players on £35,000 a week. Many said they would never have been in this trouble if they had never tried to compete with the big boys.Then once relegated they were still paying these wages.

Interesting.


Any opinions.

Relegation clauses should be made mandatory imo.

I was listening to the radio today and many on there were saying the cause of Pompeys demise was trying to stay in the Premiership and having players on £35,000 a week. Many said they would never have been in this trouble if they had never tried to compete with the big boys.Then once relegated they were still paying these wages.

Interesting.


Any opinions.

Relegation clauses should be made mandatory imo.

I def agree with that.

I was listening to the radio today and many on there were saying the cause of Pompeys demise was trying to stay in the Premiership and having players on £35,000 a week. Many said they would never have been in this trouble if they had never tried to compete with the big boys.Then once relegated they were still paying these wages.

Interesting.


Any opinions.

Annis, i would love for Cardiff, the club i love, to get to the Premiership... but not if we do it by living outside of our means, and jeopardising our future, or by casually discarding the whole history of our club! neither way is worth it!

i enjoyed supporting Cardiff in division 3, Barnet at home was my first game, as much as i enjoy supporting them now! so for me, none of this is worth it at all!

supporting and loving a club is NOT dependant on what division we are playing in!

when we do make it, i want to be proud of the club, and enjoy it... neither of which i will do if we go up this season!

i really fear for the future of Cardiff City, its a sad, sad time

Annis, I can understand that - they were paying huge wages when in reality they couldn't afford it. They've been in free fall since their final season in that league.

Pompey is a perfect example that owners who promised so much but fail to deliver.

I hope they don't go bust, but it looks inevitable unfortunately.

Would be sad to see them go under,great loyal fans shaffted by idiots

Annis , they had the likes of Defoe and Crouch on close to 100k a week .... According to yourself we have offered Bellamy £35k a week !!! is that anything to do with your post ??

Annis , they had the likes of Defoe and Crouch on close to 100k a week .... According to yourself we have offered Bellamy £35k a week !!! is that anything to do with your post ??

I never realised they were paying wages that high, no its not as Bellamy is a one off, I will edit mine now.

simple answer then is to stop trying to compete with any other club in that league and hope that average players can keep team there! no club can hope to get promoted from any league with out spending money on better players no matter how small that ammount is?

I was listening to the radio today and many on there were saying the cause of Pompeys demise was trying to stay in the Premiership and having players on £35,000 a week. Many said they would never have been in this trouble if they had never tried to compete with the big boys.Then once relegated they were still paying these wages.

Interesting.


Any opinions.

Annis, i would love for Cardiff, the club i love, to get to the Premiership... but not if we do it by living outside of our means, and jeopardising our future, or by casually discarding the whole history of our club! neither way is worth it!

i enjoyed supporting Cardiff in division 3, Barnet at home was my first game, as much as i enjoy supporting them now! so for me, none of this is worth it at all!

supporting and loving a club is NOT dependant on what division we are playing in!

when we do make it, i want to be proud of the club, and enjoy it... neither of which i will do if we go up this season!

i really fear for the future of Cardiff City, its a sad, sad time

Scott, I really fear for our future, were now about £87 mill in debt.

Annis, I can understand that - they were paying huge wages when in reality they couldn't afford it. They've been in free fall since their final season in that league.

Pompey is a perfect example that owners who promised so much but fail to deliver.

I hope they don't go bust, but it looks inevitable unfortunately.

I really hope they dont go bust, Pompey reminded me of Cardiff in the 80's.

Would be sad to see them go under,great loyal fans shaffted by idiots

They def are loyal fans and they were shafted.

Annis, I can understand that - they were paying huge wages when in reality they couldn't afford it. They've been in free fall since their final season in that league.

Pompey is a perfect example that owners who promised so much but fail to deliver.

I hope they don't go bust, but it looks inevitable unfortunately.

I really hope they dont go bust, Pompey reminded me of Cardiff in the 80's.

love to know what the anser was to our initial debt problems? its all well and good blaming vt but our problems were started long before him, mind you up to now he hasnt helped that problem why is the question? perhaps it would have been better for him not to get involved and we took our chances with hm taxes and others!

I was listening to the radio today and many on there were saying the cause of Pompeys demise was trying to stay in the Premiership and having players on £35,000 to £100,000 a week. Many said they would never have been in this trouble if they had never tried to compete with the big boys.Then once relegated they were still paying these wages.

Interesting.


Any opinions.

thats better

I was listening to the radio today and many on there were saying the cause of Pompeys demise was trying to stay in the Premiership and having players on £35,000 a week. Many said they would never have been in this trouble if they had never tried to compete with the big boys.Then once relegated they were still paying these wages.

Interesting.


Any opinions.

Annis, i would love for Cardiff, the club i love, to get to the Premiership... but not if we do it by living outside of our means, and jeopardising our future, or by casually discarding the whole history of our club! neither way is worth it!

i enjoyed supporting Cardiff in division 3, Barnet at home was my first game, as much as i enjoy supporting them now! so for me, none of this is worth it at all!

supporting and loving a club is NOT dependant on what division we are playing in!

when we do make it, i want to be proud of the club, and enjoy it... neither of which i will do if we go up this season!

i really fear for the future of Cardiff City, its a sad, sad time

Scott, I really fear for our future, were now about £87 mill in debt.

It really is just a horrible time at the moment, i just hope we come through this and can look back in 5 years still having a club (preferrably playing in blue again). If that's playing in the Prem, Championship, League 1 or lower then so be it. I just hope we can get through all this. One thing's for sure i am not looking forward to next season.

And another thing's for sure is that Vincent Tan has proven to me over the last few months that he's in this to make money, not because he's interested in this club, so with such a big debt that you mention, i can't see any possible way that it's going to go away and i certainly don't believe he's the best man to get us through this.

I was listening to the radio today and many on there were saying the cause of Pompeys demise was trying to stay in the Premiership and having players on £35,000 a week. Many said they would never have been in this trouble if they had never tried to compete with the big boys.Then once relegated they were still paying these wages.

Interesting.


Any opinions.

Annis, i would love for Cardiff, the club i love, to get to the Premiership... but not if we do it by living outside of our means, and jeopardising our future, or by casually discarding the whole history of our club! neither way is worth it!

i enjoyed supporting Cardiff in division 3, Barnet at home was my first game, as much as i enjoy supporting them now! so for me, none of this is worth it at all!

supporting and loving a club is NOT dependant on what division we are playing in!

when we do make it, i want to be proud of the club, and enjoy it... neither of which i will do if we go up this season!

i really fear for the future of Cardiff City, its a sad, sad time

Scott, I really fear for our future, were now about £87 mill in debt.

It really is just a horrible time at the moment, i just hope we come through this and can look back in 5 years still having a club (preferrably playing in blue again). If that's playing in the Prem, Championship, League 1 or lower then so be it. I just hope we can get through all this. One thing's for sure i am not looking forward to next season.

And another thing's for sure is that Vincent Tan has proven to me over the last few months that he's in this to make money, not because he's interested in this club, so with such a big debt that you mention, i can't see any possible way that it's going to go away and i certainly don't believe he's the best man to get us through this.

unfortunately we have to go along with it as no alternative for the forseable future lets just hope he manages to make us attractive enough to sell which would mean hes achieved his objective of making money out of us!

Annis, I can understand that - they were paying huge wages when in reality they couldn't afford it. They've been in free fall since their final season in that league.

Pompey is a perfect example that owners who promised so much but fail to deliver.

I hope they don't go bust, but it looks inevitable unfortunately.

I really hope they dont go bust, Pompey reminded me of Cardiff in the 80's.

love to know what the anser was to our initial debt problems? its all well and good blaming vt but our problems were started long before him, mind you up to now he hasnt helped that problem why is the question? perhaps it would have been better for him not to get involved and we took our chances with hm taxes and others!

the reality is the club were bust at the point of the blackpool playoff final. FACT.
Sam/PMG/Ridsdale etc.
It was shit or bust.We failed and it was the latter.
We were saved by DT/Mr Tan. FACT.
Recievership at best. Possible liquidation.
Div 1 at best. Poss non-league.FACT
What is it that doesn't allow this to permeate into the minds of many of the visitors to this board?

Cake and eat it?

Annis, I can understand that - they were paying huge wages when in reality they couldn't afford it. They've been in free fall since their final season in that league.

Pompey is a perfect example that owners who promised so much but fail to deliver.

I hope they don't go bust, but it looks inevitable unfortunately.

I really hope they dont go bust, Pompey reminded me of Cardiff in the 80's.

love to know what the anser was to our initial debt problems? its all well and good blaming vt but our problems were started long before him, mind you up to now he hasnt helped that problem why is the question? perhaps it would have been better for him not to get involved and we took our chances with hm taxes and others!

the reality is the club were bust at the point of the blackpool playoff final. FACT.
Sam/PMG/Ridsdale etc.
It was shit or bust.We failed and it was the latter.
We were saved by DT/Mr Tan. FACT.
Recievership at best. Possible liquidation.
Div 1 at best. Poss non-league.FACT
What is it that doesn't allow this to permeate into the minds of many of the visitors to this board?

Cake and eat it?

its the one thing anti vt fans wont accept and thats we were fcked before vt came along, they think we could have sold all our players used kids stay in champ and still have 16k season tickets! with enough to pay off 34+_mil debt strange indeed

Moving on to the present...how can they pay Tai Ben Haim £36,000 a week

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012 ... ootball%29

I was listening to the radio today and many on there were saying the cause of Pompeys demise was trying to stay in the Premiership and having players on £35,000 to £100,000 a week. Many said they would never have been in this trouble if they had never tried to compete with the big boys.Then once relegated they were still paying these wages.

Interesting.


Any opinions.

the prem isn,t worth losing a club over.pompey are a great club with fantastic support but the people running the club failed to learn a lesson.we all know they had big earners then went into admin but did you know that norweigan fellow blues loaned last jan was on a reported 18k pw that lad was purchased i believe after the admin so they did the same thing really on a smaller scale but with only championship sky dollar.when we got relegated we sold a team and still finished 4th.we had to sell to get the debt down.if it means being solvent then it,s worth it.really no player should be on more than 20k pw in the prem at blues.we had 3 loanees on 70k ,60k,and 50k pw.ziggy is still on 50k pw.all the rest are a lot lower now .if you had done it when the debt was lower then tan wouldn,t be here racking up a mega debt (@7%)and splitting fans.i,m sure if pompey go into the conference the fans will take it to have a club run right and start again.the pompey fans deserve better than the people who have run them recently.

i was explaining this to roath the other day, the wages pompey were paying was shocking and once relegated they couldnt offload the players as no club would pay the same wages.. there were no relegation clauses and lets be fair, even when they were in the prem and beat us in the fa cup final, they should never have had players close on 100k a week... at that time even arsenal didnt pay those sort of wages...

Incredible really how can they have no relegation clauses on the wages?
That and a small old ground that doesn't generate a huge amount of corporate income is there undoing. You could see qpr going this way if they had gone down maybe. I bet the likes of Swansea, Norwich and reading all have relegation clauses, if players won't sign up then don't sign them, simple. Mercenaries like kanu can be exposed early for what they are. Shocking. Ra


Rangers and Pompey hey? Thank god we're reds now hey....

Pompey were seriously mismanaged, and I think the teams that have gone up in recent years have learned from their mistakes.

Although they have come back down straight away, teams like Blackpool, Burnley and Hull have used some of their Premiership money on infrastructure , improving their ground and training facilities. Pompey spent all of their Premiership income and ran up huge debts and have nothing to show for it - not even a new stadium and they don't have their own training facilities.

Perhaps players should realise that when they take on huge wages that if the club is liquidated (rather than into administration) then they will get next to nothing along with the other creditors. Players should perhaps in future think about whether a club can truly afford to play those sort of wages.

We have considerable debt at the moment, but at least have the new stadium and access to good training facilities (even if they aren't ours at present). Southampton were in a similar position to us a few years ago, and went into liquidation, lost points etc, but at least they had something to show for their debt, which was a new stadium. This has formed a steady foundation to rebuild the club which is now back in the Premier League. Porstmouth have nothing but a decaying stadium, which may have a great atmosphere, but atmosphere doesn't pay the bills. I'm pretty sure that what some of their owners have done is actually criminal.

As for Rangers, arrogance and a mis-placed belief that they were better than everyone else has led to their downfall, but they at least have the fanbase to re-grow in 3 years.

I'll be happier when our debt is turned into equity, but I'm not panicking yet.

Incredible really how can they have no relegation clauses on the wages?
That and a small old ground that doesn't generate a huge amount of corporate income is there undoing. You could see qpr going this way if they had gone down maybe. I bet the likes of Swansea, Norwich and reading all have relegation clauses, if players won't sign up then don't sign them, simple. Mercenaries like kanu can be exposed early for what they are. Shocking. Ra


Rangers and Pompey hey? Thank god we're reds now hey....

blues had relegation clauses when we first got to the prem.the only problem was when we stayed up to attract better players you cannot go up to say hesky ,an england international and say if we get relegated your wages drop. better players won,t come to fight eternal relegation battles.we flogged our big earners when we went down.we have hadlots of practice at it

We've built our debts up massively and we haven't even achieved the premiership. We are guilty of doing in Division Three and Division Two what Pompey did in the premiership.

Cue Fowler, Hasselbaink, Sinclair in the same season in the Championship.

Now the majority are rejoicing at turning red and wondering when the big names are coming and we're STILL in the championship. I have no idea what Earnie was erning last season but I can say with clarity that it was not money utilised well (not through any fault of Earnie's either), it is just the way this club continues to be run.

I was suckered in during the early years of Hammam's reign, pulling cartwheels 'cos we'd knicked Stoke's finest players for £1m and then £1.7m and were showing true ambition. Meanwhile Stoke have spent the last few seasons holding their own at the top table and we've been continuing to spend, spend, spend and bottling it at Beechers Brook because the players we've sold the crown jewels for were maybe not quite worth the amounts we are willing to pay them.

At the time I wasn't worried 'cos it was Hammam's millions, not ours and now it is Tan's millions not ours.

CARDIFF WILL INCREASE SPENDING IF WE EVER GET TO THE PREMIERSHIP.

Very good points, and this may sound very selfish because it is, but i want a season of premier football, just 1 season in the top flight and i will die a happy fan come what may

We've built our debts up massively and we haven't even achieved the premiership. We are guilty of doing in Division Three and Division Two what Pompey did in the premiership.

Cue Fowler, Hasselbaink, Sinclair in the same season in the Championship.

Now the majority are rejoicing at turning red and wondering when the big names are coming and we're STILL in the championship. I have no idea what Earnie was erning last season but I can say with clarity that it was not money utilised well (not through any fault of Earnie's either), it is just the way this club continues to be run.

I was suckered in during the early years of Hammam's reign, pulling cartwheels 'cos we'd knicked Stoke's finest players for £1m and then £1.7m and were showing true ambition. Meanwhile Stoke have spent the last few seasons holding their own at the top table and we've been continuing to spend, spend, spend and bottling it at Beechers Brook because the players we've sold the crown jewels for were maybe not quite worth the amounts we are willing to pay them.

At the time I wasn't worried 'cos it was Hammam's millions, not ours and now it is Tan's millions not ours.

CARDIFF WILL INCREASE SPENDING IF WE EVER GET TO THE PREMIERSHIP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18979636

I was listening to the radio today and many on there were saying the cause of Pompeys demise was trying to stay in the Premiership and having players on £35,000 to £100,000 a week. Many said they would never have been in this trouble if they had never tried to compete with the big boys.Then once relegated they were still paying these wages.

Interesting.


Any opinions.

They were apparently paying youth team players thousands too. Makes you wonder why the collective brains of Mandaric, Storie & Redknapp didn't sense that it would end in tears

I think there were a few links saying how their fans would prefer admin to playing in red, lets see !!!

I was listening to the radio today and many on there were saying the cause of Pompeys demise was trying to stay in the Premiership and having players on £35,000 a week. Many said they would never have been in this trouble if they had never tried to compete with the big boys.Then once relegated they were still paying these wages.

Interesting.


Any opinions.

Annis, i would love for Cardiff, the club i love, to get to the Premiership... but not if we do it by living outside of our means, and jeopardising our future, or by casually discarding the whole history of our club! neither way is worth it!

i enjoyed supporting Cardiff in division 3, Barnet at home was my first game, as much as i enjoy supporting them now! so for me, none of this is worth it at all!

supporting and loving a club is NOT dependant on what division we are playing in!

when we do make it, i want to be proud of the club, and enjoy it... neither of which i will do if we go up this season!

i really fear for the future of Cardiff City, its a sad, sad time

Scott, I really fear for our future, were now about £87 mill in debt.