How exactly did sam get done over?

By the ridler etc? If sam was the owner of the club how did he get ousted out?

By the ridler etc? If sam was the owner of the club how did he get ousted out?

he ran out of money jinks simple as that really and paul guy had been paying the wages for some 6 months prior to sams departure and they were never going to get the stadium approval with sam at the helm so he had to go if the club were to have any chance of getting the stadium progressed.

By the ridler etc? If sam was the owner of the club how did he get ousted out?

he ran out of money jinks simple as that really and paul guy had been paying the wages for some 6 months prior to sams departure and they were never going to get the stadium approval with sam at the helm so he had to go if the club were to have any chance of getting the stadium progressed.

What he wasnt ousted, double crossed or forced out against his will?
So he signed over the club as he coudnt afford to run it?

By the ridler etc? If sam was the owner of the club how did he get ousted out?

he ran out of money jinks simple as that really and paul guy had been paying the wages for some 6 months prior to sams departure and they were never going to get the stadium approval with sam at the helm so he had to go if the club were to have any chance of getting the stadium progressed.

What he wasnt ousted, double crossed or forced out against his will?
So he signed over the club as he coudnt afford to run it?

Jinks he still wanted to control the club although other people's money were keeping the club afloat.
If he did not leave there would have been no future for the stadium and we would have gone into administration. He still left with a pay off as did his brother ned.

By the ridler etc? If sam was the owner of the club how did he get ousted out?

he ran out of money jinks simple as that really and paul guy had been paying the wages for some 6 months prior to sams departure and they were never going to get the stadium approval with sam at the helm so he had to go if the club were to have any chance of getting the stadium progressed.

What he wasnt ousted, double crossed or forced out against his will?
So he signed over the club as he coudnt afford to run it?

Jinks he still wanted to control the club although other people's money were keeping the club afloat.
If he did not leave there would have been no future for the stadium and we would have gone into administration. He still left with a pay off as did his brother ned.

Got to be more to it than that.

Cheers steve that sounds more like it

By the ridler etc? If sam was the owner of the club how did he get ousted out?

he ran out of money jinks simple as that really and paul guy had been paying the wages for some 6 months prior to sams departure and they were never going to get the stadium approval with sam at the helm so he had to go if the club were to have any chance of getting the stadium progressed.

What he wasnt ousted, double crossed or forced out against his will?
So he signed over the club as he coudnt afford to run it?

Jinks he still wanted to control the club although other people's money were keeping the club afloat.
If he did not leave there would have been no future for the stadium and we would have gone into administration. He still left with a pay off as did his brother ned.

Yeah, I forgot about the payoffs they got! Both of those Langstons, ahem, Hammmams have done well enough out of us I say give em nothing.

By the ridler etc? If sam was the owner of the club how did he get ousted out?

he ran out of money jinks simple as that really and paul guy had been paying the wages for some 6 months prior to sams departure and they were never going to get the stadium approval with sam at the helm so he had to go if the club were to have any chance of getting the stadium progressed.

What he wasnt ousted, double crossed or forced out against his will?
So he signed over the club as he coudnt afford to run it?

Jinks he still wanted to control the club although other people's money were keeping the club afloat.
If he did not leave there would have been no future for the stadium and we would have gone into administration. He still left with a pay off as did his brother ned.

Yeah, I forgot about the payoffs they got! Both of those Langstons, ahem, Hammmams have done well enough out of us I say give em nothing.

If you listen to sams side you would swear his name was forged on the club ownership and he was turfed out

By the ridler etc? If sam was the owner of the club how did he get ousted out?

he ran out of money jinks simple as that really and paul guy had been paying the wages for some 6 months prior to sams departure and they were never going to get the stadium approval with sam at the helm so he had to go if the club were to have any chance of getting the stadium progressed.

What he wasnt ousted, double crossed or forced out against his will?
So he signed over the club as he coudnt afford to run it?

Jinks he still wanted to control the club although other people's money were keeping the club afloat.
If he did not leave there would have been no future for the stadium and we would have gone into administration. He still left with a pay off as did his brother ned.

how much of a pay off did he get,what role did his brother have with the club

By the ridler etc? If sam was the owner of the club how did he get ousted out?

he ran out of money jinks simple as that really and paul guy had been paying the wages for some 6 months prior to sams departure and they were never going to get the stadium approval with sam at the helm so he had to go if the club were to have any chance of getting the stadium progressed.

What he wasnt ousted, double crossed or forced out against his will?
So he signed over the club as he coudnt afford to run it?

Jinks he still wanted to control the club although other people's money were keeping the club afloat.
If he did not leave there would have been no future for the stadium and we would have gone into administration. He still left with a pay off as did his brother ned.

how much of a pay off did he get,what role did his brother have with the club

few hundred thousand apparently but im sure someone on here can confirm the real figure

Putting all the bitter rivalry and fighting aside for a few seconds, you have to remember that Sam got us from the 4th division was it? to the top of the championship and knocking leeds out of the fa cup after a season they got to the Semi Final of the Champions League!

He had built an academy system and improved the youth training, he also left Millions of pounds worth of assets on the pitch including the likes of Ramsey, Jerome, Kavanagh, Johnson, Earnie, Ledley, etc etc and got all the initial plans for the new stadium in place.
Dont think anyone could not thank him for that no matter what, even after all the issues he may have caused regarding the finances and debt etc etc.

I'm not a Sam Hammam fan, but he did bring the better days back to the fans.

So question is, WHERE did all that cash go? on the Assets he left behind? Could the club have uses all these Assets to pay him off years ago.... Riddler, Jones, PMG just as greedy as the first man if you ask me..... they have made quite a nice little earner whilst being involved with this club.

Putting all the bitter rivalry and fighting aside for a few seconds, you have to remember that Sam got us from the 4th division was it? to the top of the championship and knocking leeds out of the fa cup after a season they got to the Semi Final of the Champions League!

He had built an academy system and improved the youth training, he also left Millions of pounds worth of assets on the pitch including the likes of Ramsey, Jerome, Kavanagh, Johnson, Earnie, Ledley, etc etc and got all the initial plans for the new stadium in place.
Dont think anyone could not thank him for that no matter what, even after all the issues he may have caused regarding the finances and debt etc etc.

I'm not a Sam Hammam fan, but he did bring the better days back to the fans.

So question is, WHERE did all that cash go? on the Assets he left behind? Could the club have uses all these Assets to pay him off years ago.... Riddler, Jones, PMG just as greedy as the first man if you ask me..... they have made quite a nice little earner whilst being involved with this club.

merlin

no one is being bitter here it was a simple answer to a simple question.
as for where did all the cash go remember when sam bought the club for 3.2 million we were actually 1.5m in debt.
when he left we were 27 million in debt.
where indeed did all the cash go

Putting all the bitter rivalry and fighting aside for a few seconds, you have to remember that Sam got us from the 4th division was it? to the top of the championship and knocking leeds out of the fa cup after a season they got to the Semi Final of the Champions League!

He had built an academy system and improved the youth training, he also left Millions of pounds worth of assets on the pitch including the likes of Ramsey, Jerome, Kavanagh, Johnson, Earnie, Ledley, etc etc and got all the initial plans for the new stadium in place.
Dont think anyone could not thank him for that no matter what, even after all the issues he may have caused regarding the finances and debt etc etc.

I'm not a Sam Hammam fan, but he did bring the better days back to the fans.

So question is, WHERE did all that cash go? on the Assets he left behind? Could the club have uses all these Assets to pay him off years ago.... Riddler, Jones, PMG just as greedy as the first man if you ask me..... they have made quite a nice little earner whilst being involved with this club.

Nobody on this thread is saying that he didnt get us to the championship etc??
Coudnt sam have cashed in on these assets himself?
The thread is about How exactly did sam get done over? as i wanted to know how this had happened but thats been cleared up in this thread

Putting all the bitter rivalry and fighting aside for a few seconds, you have to remember that Sam got us from the 4th division was it? to the top of the championship and knocking leeds out of the fa cup after a season they got to the Semi Final of the Champions League!

He had built an academy system and improved the youth training, he also left Millions of pounds worth of assets on the pitch including the likes of Ramsey, Jerome, Kavanagh, Johnson, Earnie, Ledley, etc etc and got all the initial plans for the new stadium in place.
Dont think anyone could not thank him for that no matter what, even after all the issues he may have caused regarding the finances and debt etc etc.

I'm not a Sam Hammam fan, but he did bring the better days back to the fans.

So question is, WHERE did all that cash go? on the Assets he left behind? Could the club have uses all these Assets to pay him off years ago.... Riddler, Jones, PMG just as greedy as the first man if you ask me..... they have made quite a nice little earner whilst being involved with this club.

merlin

no one is being bitter here it was a simple answer to a simple question.
as for where did all the cash go remember when sam bought the club for 3.2 million we were actually 1.5m in debt.
when he left we were 27 million in debt.
where indeed did all the cash go

Half went on gavin gordon the other half went on spencer priors wages

Putting all the bitter rivalry and fighting aside for a few seconds, you have to remember that Sam got us from the 4th division was it? to the top of the championship and knocking leeds out of the fa cup after a season they got to the Semi Final of the Champions League!

He had built an academy system and improved the youth training, he also left Millions of pounds worth of assets on the pitch including the likes of Ramsey, Jerome, Kavanagh, Johnson, Earnie, Ledley, etc etc and got all the initial plans for the new stadium in place.
Dont think anyone could not thank him for that no matter what, even after all the issues he may have caused regarding the finances and debt etc etc.

I'm not a Sam Hammam fan, but he did bring the better days back to the fans.

So question is, WHERE did all that cash go? on the Assets he left behind? Could the club have uses all these Assets to pay him off years ago.... Riddler, Jones, PMG just as greedy as the first man if you ask me..... they have made quite a nice little earner whilst being involved with this club.

merlin

no one is being bitter here it was a simple answer to a simple question.
as for where did all the cash go remember when sam bought the club for 3.2 million we were actually 1.5m in debt.
when he left we were 27 million in debt.
where indeed did all the cash go

Half went on gavin gordon the other half went on spencer priors wages

steve is that debt of 27 million including the langstone debt or is that seperate

Putting all the bitter rivalry and fighting aside for a few seconds, you have to remember that Sam got us from the 4th division was it? to the top of the championship and knocking leeds out of the fa cup after a season they got to the Semi Final of the Champions League!

He had built an academy system and improved the youth training, he also left Millions of pounds worth of assets on the pitch including the likes of Ramsey, Jerome, Kavanagh, Johnson, Earnie, Ledley, etc etc and got all the initial plans for the new stadium in place.
Dont think anyone could not thank him for that no matter what, even after all the issues he may have caused regarding the finances and debt etc etc.

I'm not a Sam Hammam fan, but he did bring the better days back to the fans.

So question is, WHERE did all that cash go? on the Assets he left behind? Could the club have uses all these Assets to pay him off years ago.... Riddler, Jones, PMG just as greedy as the first man if you ask me..... they have made quite a nice little earner whilst being involved with this club.

merlin

no one is being bitter here it was a simple answer to a simple question.
as for where did all the cash go remember when sam bought the club for 3.2 million we were actually 1.5m in debt.
when he left we were 27 million in debt.
where indeed did all the cash go

Half went on gavin gordon the other half went on spencer priors wages

steve is that debt of 27 million including the langstone debt or is that seperate

that includes the langston debt

so if vt pays off sam, an you add how much he has invested already
how much has he invested in total.
and how many shares has he got

It is noticeable the pro Hamman supporters are not contributing to this thread

It is noticeable the pro Hamman supporters are not contributing to this thread

I am ,he paid for 2 coach loads of "Fans" to go to Mansfield

It is noticeable the pro Hamman supporters are not contributing to this thread

Maybe they aint online ?

By the ridler etc? If sam was the owner of the club how did he get ousted out?

he ran out of money jinks simple as that really and paul guy had been paying the wages for some 6 months prior to sams departure and they were never going to get the stadium approval with sam at the helm so he had to go if the club were to have any chance of getting the stadium progressed.

Did paul guy get his money he covered the wages with back?

By the ridler etc? If sam was the owner of the club how did he get ousted out?

he ran out of money jinks simple as that really and paul guy had been paying the wages for some 6 months prior to sams departure and they were never going to get the stadium approval with sam at the helm so he had to go if the club were to have any chance of getting the stadium progressed.

Did paul guy get his money he covered the wages with back?

Steve, why not tell them all how much Paul Guy made out of the City and our land £40 mill/£50 mill or more ? Hmm

By the ridler etc? If sam was the owner of the club how did he get ousted out?

he ran out of money jinks simple as that really and paul guy had been paying the wages for some 6 months prior to sams departure and they were never going to get the stadium approval with sam at the helm so he had to go if the club were to have any chance of getting the stadium progressed.

Did paul guy get his money he covered the wages with back?

Steve, why not tell them all how much Paul Guy made out of the City and our land £40 mill/£50 mill or more ? Hmm

Woudnt sam have made money out of city and the land if he could have? Not just sam but anyone with the chance would have..
I didnt know paul guy was paying wages for 6months before sam departed?
Looks like he had to go due to debts etc i was under the impression he was forced out or double crossed..

By the ridler etc? If sam was the owner of the club how did he get ousted out?

he ran out of money jinks simple as that really and paul guy had been paying the wages for some 6 months prior to sams departure and they were never going to get the stadium approval with sam at the helm so he had to go if the club were to have any chance of getting the stadium progressed.

Did paul guy get his money he covered the wages with back?

Steve, why not tell them all how much Paul Guy made out of the City and our land £40 mill/£50 mill or more ? Hmm

annis
sam would have made that money for himself if he had been able to come up with a viable business plan and the funding to go with it.
i wasent having a go at sam but just answering the circumstances of his leaving.
i have always told you that if sam had used paul guy instead of capitol and regional to bring in clients for the retail park things would be very different now.

By the ridler etc? If sam was the owner of the club how did he get ousted out?

he ran out of money jinks simple as that really and paul guy had been paying the wages for some 6 months prior to sams departure and they were never going to get the stadium approval with sam at the helm so he had to go if the club were to have any chance of getting the stadium progressed.

Did paul guy get his money he covered the wages with back?

Steve, why not tell them all how much Paul Guy made out of the City and our land £40 mill/£50 mill or more ? Hmm

annis
sam would have made that money for himself if he had been able to come up with a viable business plan and the funding to go with it.
i wasent having a go at sam but just answering the circumstances of his leaving.
i have always told you that if sam had used paul guy instead of capitol and regional to bring in clients for the retail park things would be very different now.

Steve,

Who did the business plan for Sam ?
Who also was responsible for the drawings/architects and getting everything done ?
And who do they work for now ?

By the ridler etc? If sam was the owner of the club how did he get ousted out?

he ran out of money jinks simple as that really and paul guy had been paying the wages for some 6 months prior to sams departure and they were never going to get the stadium approval with sam at the helm so he had to go if the club were to have any chance of getting the stadium progressed.

Did paul guy get his money he covered the wages with back?

Steve, why not tell them all how much Paul Guy made out of the City and our land £40 mill/£50 mill or more ? Hmm

annis
sam would have made that money for himself if he had been able to come up with a viable business plan and the funding to go with it.
i wasent having a go at sam but just answering the circumstances of his leaving.
i have always told you that if sam had used paul guy instead of capitol and regional to bring in clients for the retail park things would be very different now.

Steve,

Who did the business plan for Sam ?
Who also was responsible for the drawings/architects and getting everything done ?
And who do they work for now ?

annis i dont know the answer to any of those questions but regardless of business plans sam did not have the funding available.
the thread was about how sam left the club and not an anti sam or anti pmg rant and dont even get me started about ridsdale

Why i asked the question in this thread is ive seen and heard people saying sam was double crossed etc
But wanted to know how if he was the owner did the club get signed over?
Annis you said the other day that sam was caught by the Riddler and PMG what did you mean?.

Putting all the bitter rivalry and fighting aside for a few seconds, you have to remember that Sam got us from the 4th division was it? to the top of the championship and knocking leeds out of the fa cup after a season they got to the Semi Final of the Champions League!

He had built an academy system and improved the youth training, he also left Millions of pounds worth of assets on the pitch including the likes of Ramsey, Jerome, Kavanagh, Johnson, Earnie, Ledley, etc etc and got all the initial plans for the new stadium in place.
Dont think anyone could not thank him for that no matter what, even after all the issues he may have caused regarding the finances and debt etc etc.

I'm not a Sam Hammam fan, but he did bring the better days back to the fans.

So question is, WHERE did all that cash go? on the Assets he left behind? Could the club have uses all these Assets to pay him off years ago.... Riddler, Jones, PMG just as greedy as the first man if you ask me..... they have made quite a nice little earner whilst being involved with this club.

merlin

no one is being bitter here it was a simple answer to a simple question.
as for where did all the cash go remember when sam bought the club for 3.2 million we were actually 1.5m in debt.
when he left we were 27 million in debt.
where indeed did all the cash go

That's something that the pro-Sam posters can/will never answer.

There is no doubt that PMG and others have done very well out of the club but where that £27m went has never been explained satisfactorily. That's particularly worrying when you take into account the monies raised in the fire sale of players during Sam's time at the helm.

I guess that Sam put very little of his own money in otherwise the debt could never have got to the level being stated.

So if the debt incurred by Sam has NEVER been paid back to him after his INVESTMENT , then exactly where did ALL the subsequent money disappear to ??? We all know in Jones's book how much money was made from player sales , so taking Sam's / Langston's money out of the equation ...... then where did all the missing £millions go ??????

Forever blue wrote

Who did the business plan for Sam ?
Who also was responsible for the drawings/architects and getting everything done ?
And who do they work for now ?[/quote]

Steve Davies wrote
annis i dont know the answer to any of those questions but regardless of business plans sam did not have the funding available.
the thread was about how sam left the club and not an anti sam or anti pmg rant and dont even get me started about ridsdale[/quote]


Steve,

1.John Rosier now working for PMG
2. All the Architects were brought in by Paul Guy.

So all those people Sam thought he could trust were all Paul Guys men and u really never knew Steve.