" REPORT FROM TONIGHT'S MEETING "

Annis attended tonight's meeting and took notes for the forum members to be abreast of what was said. I am writing this report on behalf of Annis as I was not present at the meeting.

When Annis arrived he said the club had 5 security staff on duty and barriers placed at the entrance, 5 people were refused entry into the meeting as their names were not on the invited list. There were 28 names on the list at reception.

The meeting started with Alan Whiteley, Julian Jenkins, Wayne Nash, Barrie McAuliffe and Malky Mackay in attendance along with 2 security staff.

The meeting started at 18.10.

Alan Whiteley stated that there were 30 fans in attendance at the meeting.

Alan told the group that in 2007 the club was £24million in debt when Peter Ridsdale came in he "robbed Peter to pay Paul" (that throw's up some jokes I am sure )

Alan continued by 2010 the club was literally bust and it was a very difficult time, days before the Blackpool Play Off Final the Malaysians invested £6million and today that investment stands at just under £41million. Vincent Tan's investment is incurring 7% interest but so far VT has taken nothing out of the club. PMG, Ranson and Langston are debts that need addressing. Vincent Tan wants Premier League football at the end of this season and he wants to be in the top 2.

Without Vincent Tan's money and if the club were to settle the historical debt then the club would have to charge the 22,000 fans who attend our games on average £75 per match ticket but the season ticket holder would have to pay £60 per ticket on top of their season ticket if we wanted to continue as we are in the Championship.

If the club wanted more investment then we would have to look further afield, the only person with money on the table and offering it is Vincent Tan, the club has no other choice - it weren't a difficult decision to make to accept VT's offer of investment.

Vincent Tan wants to bring stability to the club and is offering funds for team strengthening as well.

Alan Whiteley was criticised by the group for not consulting the fans on the change of colour and badge, Alan disagreed with the criticism.

The group then stated that fans wanted the right to discuss the changes but Alan said the decision was taken for the right reasons.

Fans - We are a laughing stock, again Alan disagreed that we are.

The group then asked about the business plan and sould it be explianed to them , Alan said it was purely Vincent Tan's risk and not the club's.

Alan was asked if he had seen the business plan and again he replied it was VT's risk.

The fans asked if the debt would continue to rise.

Alan Whiteley categorically said that the debt will only be solved if Langston is settled. Alan also said it was never red or dead.

Fans - Why red ?

AW - VT believes it will attract Asian market.

Fans - How much will it attract ?

AW - It is only VT's business plan, there is no risk to the club but only VT can answer the question.

Fans - Was VT questioned about the colour change?

AW - The changes are VT's conditions not mine, I am only chief executive. If any of you have £60million to put in then great. VT believes red is a symbolic colour.

Fan - Will we continue to increase debt ?

AW - Spoke again about the need to settle Langston so the debt to equity swap can happen. Alan said there has been 3 offers made to Langston, £8 million within 30 days, £10 million over the space of one year or £13 million involving £8 million over a year and £5 million upon promotion to the Premier League.

Alan stated that the club could continue to run up debts until 2016 when the Langston debt, in the club's view, would have to be paid.

Fan - What would have happened if we did not have VT's money ?

AW- League 1 or League 2 if we were living within our means.

Fan - Why was no other fans allowed into the meeting tonight ?

AW - this is a private meeting and emails we sent to those who requested their seaosn ticket money back and those who responded and confirmed they could attend were placed as an invitee on the list. Alan confirmed that 89 supporters had requested their season ticket money back.

Malky Mackay then spoke to the group.

MM- I need every fan and everyone of you in the room to get behind my team, our team.

Fan - Would you be saying the same to Celtic fans ?

MM - I understand traditions and I know it is emotional.

Glenn Waithe asked MM - So would you tell Celtic fans to accept the change ?

MM - You know the answer.

Fan - What about your budget, are you happy with it ?

MM - I am satisfied with the budget and I'll spend every single penny of it, I had money last season, I bid £2million for Matt Phillips, I bid for Sordell and Noone in January as well but clubs wouldn't sell to us, not many clubs are successful in January it is a difficult month to buy players.

Malky did say that he felt Reading and West Ham did well in January.

Malky then continued to say to the group to support the team, get behind his team, with out VT this club would be in the 4th division, Malky knows that in the short term the debt will increase.

When asked about Bellamy, Malky said he would not comment as at this time Craig is a Liverpool player.

Fan - If the whole stadium chanted Bluebirds Malky how would you feel?

MM- Then I know you are getting behind the team.

Fan - Do you feel under pressure because of the budget ?

MM - I was under pressure last season and got us to the play offs, this season I am going for top 2 and promotion.

Someone in the room asked again about Celtic and how their fans would react?

MM - I understand the passion and you all know the answer.

Fan - But with the war chest you got you must feel more pressure ?

MM - I have not got a war chest, I have got a budget. Did you know that on average a manager lasts 1 year and 4 months in their job in the Championship, I guess I got 4 months left he said laughing. I take players with good backgrounds and a lot of work is put in to finding out about their backgrounds, last season was mostly free transfers, this year I can bring players in of better quality and promise those players that we are going places and there will be more quality players coming in as we got the money.

Fan - Have you been asked to bring in Malaysian players ?

MM - TG and VT have only ever asked me to train some Malaysian players, they have never asked if they will go in the team, it is just training for the players.

Fan - Do you need the £10million training ground ?

MM - Yes, the Vale has a lovely hotel and facilities but only one training pitch, that is not enough for what we need, so yes I need the new training ground.

Annis - was you asked to attend tonight's meeting ?

MM - I came of my own accord because i dont want to lose one fan.

Fan - This must be distracting for you and your plans ?

MM - major distraction would be selling players like Whittingham, this is not a distraction

Fan - Will we steam roll this division this season ?

MM - No team ever steam rolls this division.

Fan - What about Newcastle?

MM - Newcastle were able to keep hold of their PL players when they were relegated so a big difference.

The group made Malky aware that they were not against him or the team.

Malky thanked the group for coming and he said he appreciated them and the passion they have for the club.

Malky left the room to an applause.

Fan - Why did VT change his mind after saying we would stay Blue.

AW - Said he couldn't answer, only VT could.

Julian Jenkins said that no-one knew what would happen if VT withdrew his money.

Fan - Red or Blue -We were blackmailed.

AW - Not blackmailed it was a condition.

Some of the group then said they wanted their money back and Alan Whiteley said the club will let them know of their decision within 10 days.

Fan - When did you know about the re-brand ?

AW - Early April is when we first told.

Fan - Because fi the red, shirt sales will be down.

AW - Agreed in the short term that was probable.

Fan - What details do we have about future revenue coming in from Asia.

AW - There is no detail, it is one man's vision, VT's vision. He has got hundreds of retail outlets in Asia and he knows how to market.

Fan - you do know that fans are falling out and family members are falling out ?

AW - It is divisive and emotional, we are aware.

JJ - We should share VT's vision.

When asked about keeping the current badge Alan Whiteley said he went to VT and said the fans are not happy at all with the new badge and VT said it was too late but Alan said he did get VT to agree to give the fans input into next years design of a new badge.

A few fans started to leave the meeting and Annis said TLG was questioning AW on the promise of the £9million of shares to be converted that never happened when Annis' pen run out

Annis had heard enough at this point and left the meeting.

Annis tells me that he is not happy about the change to red and will always want to stay in blue, he has no respect for VT for changing our colour and badge but he respects Alan, Julian, Wayne, Barrie and Malky because at the end of the day they did not have to meet the group but they chose to.

Also Annis said he is glad that the supporters who went tonight were given the opportunity to speak their minds and put across their feelings.

As I was not at the meeting and I have had a conversation over the phone with Annis I apologise in advance if any of this has been misquoted and I get brought to task over it.

lets hope langston except 8million in 30 days so we can move on

Positivity from Malky

AW palms a lot off to VT can only answer that, not expecting those sort of answers from a CE.

Great that Malky is going for top 2, top 6 last season with the threadbare squad he had so roll on August.



What happens now then to the guys who wanted a refund?

lets hope langston except 8million in 30 days so we can move on

If I was Langston (Which I might be...) I'd go with the £8million over the year with £5million more if promoted.

No answers from the Club then. The only thing we understand is because VT wanted it. And the Club had these plans of Re branding over a year ago. I was told then (Over 12 Months ago) That the Club was embarking on major changes and we would not like it one bit, In fact it is major. I choose to ignore that but when contacted again when the re branding came out it all made sense. Not asking anyone to believe me but i know when they said April is absolute bullshit.

lets hope langston except 8million in 30 days so we can move on

If I was Langston (Which I might be...) I'd go with the £8million over the year with £5million more if promoted.

if they pay it i would take the money and run you know how poor we are at paying people








TLG's report.

Approximately 90 season ticket holders have so far requested refunds. All were invited to this evening's meeting, around 30 were able to make it.

Alan Whiteley, Malky Mackay, Julian Jenkins, Wayne Nash and Barrie McAuliffe represented the club.

Brief highlights:

1) Malky Mackay is satisfied with his budget this season. Money was available in January and the club made substantial bids for Sordell, Phillips and Noone.

2) The manager says the club definitely needs its own training facilities due to a lack of pitches at the Vale.

3) Alan Whiteley stated there is no business plan attached to the re-branding exercise. It was described as Vincent Tan's vision.

4) The re-branding was non-negotiable in relation to the investment package.

5) Langston have been offered three settlements - £8 million within 30 days, £10 million over the space of one year or £13 million involving £8 million over a year and £5 million upon promotion to the Premier League.

6) Debt to equity conversions will only take place after the Langston issue is settled. There is currently no timetable in this regard.

7) The stadium expansion will only happen after promotion to the Premier League is secured.

8) The new training facilities could be up and running within a year, although it is likely to take slightly longer.

9) The training facilities will be funded by a loan at 7% interest, as is the case with the rest of the investment package until the Langston issue is sorted.

10) Interest on all loans is accruing but not actually being paid (the interest can be converted to equity under the terms of the loans).

11) Vincent Tan has only become actively involved in the day to day running of the club during the last five or six months.

12) Alan Whiteley confirmed that it is fair to say the re-branding exercise is Vincent Tan's idea alone.

13) The board examined other possibilities and scenarios before accepting the investment deal but the alternatives were grim and the package offered the club easily the best way forward in the board's opinion considering its financial plight.

14) Tickets would need to be priced at approximately £75 per game with a 22,000 average crowd next season in order for the club to break even at current costs without Vincent Tan's investment.

So there you have it. Make of it what you will.

Wasn't able to attend the meeting, but based on that write-up I'm glad as it sounds like it was a waste of time.

No answers from the Club then. The only thing we understand is because VT wanted it. And the Club had these plans of Re branding over a year ago. I was told then (Over 12 Months ago) That the Club was embarking on major changes and we would not like it one bit, In fact it is major. I choose to ignore that but when contacted again when the re branding came out it all made sense. Not asking anyone to believe me but i know when they said April is absolute bullshit.

You were told 12months ago?? Come on, there is no way that's true. I'm sorry.

No answers from the Club then. The only thing we understand is because VT wanted it.

That's your answer then.

A hard answer to take so back to us now.

annis notes sound promising, malky was happy, the club looking to go up this season ,great ambition from the club

Well at least we now know what Sam has been offered so no more moving goalposts Sam has three choices

Glad is he investening then, would never pay an extra 60 quid on top of my season ticket at all.

Some decent ones but theres some crap pointless questions there to

No answers from the Club then. The only thing we understand is because VT wanted it. And the Club had these plans of Re branding over a year ago. I was told then (Over 12 Months ago) That the Club was embarking on major changes and we would not like it one bit, In fact it is major. I choose to ignore that but when contacted again when the re branding came out it all made sense. Not asking anyone to believe me but i know when they said April is absolute bullshit.

You were told 12months ago?? Come on, there is no way that's true. I'm sorry.

I was told they were planning major changes yes. But ignored it. Believe or not or make of it as you will but i don't lie Chief.

So there we have it they havent seen any business plan or plans that Red will increase revenue its purely due to the fact that one individual who never saw a game prior to 2010 wants to and can. Very sad

No answers from the Club then. The only thing we understand is because VT wanted it. And the Club had these plans of Re branding over a year ago. I was told then (Over 12 Months ago) That the Club was embarking on major changes and we would not like it one bit, In fact it is major. I choose to ignore that but when contacted again when the re branding came out it all made sense. Not asking anyone to believe me but i know when they said April is absolute bullshit.

You were told 12months ago?? Come on, there is no way that's true. I'm sorry.

I was told they were planning major changes yes. But ignored it. Believe or not or make of it as you will but i don't lie Chief.

Didn't mean for it to come across as you were lying, I ain't like that.

However, the rebrand is massive news, should have said something that's all.

So there we have it they havent seen any business plan or plans that Red will increase revenue its purely due to the fact that one individual who never saw a game prior to 2010 wants to and can. Very sad

it depends how you look at it vt owns loads of sports retail stores across Asia and they will be buying our kit which = more money for him and the club ?

No answers from the Club then. The only thing we understand is because VT wanted it. And the Club had these plans of Re branding over a year ago. I was told then (Over 12 Months ago) That the Club was embarking on major changes and we would not like it one bit, In fact it is major. I choose to ignore that but when contacted again when the re branding came out it all made sense. Not asking anyone to believe me but i know when they said April is absolute bullshit.

You were told 12months ago?? Come on, there is no way that's true. I'm sorry.

I was told they were planning major changes yes. But ignored it. Believe or not or make of it as you will but i don't lie Chief.

Didn't mean for it to come across as you were lying, I ain't like that.

However, the rebrand is massive news, should have said something that's all.

I didnt ask any more as i thought he was shit stirring TBH. But i now know he wasn't. Over time you learn who to trust and who not to. Now i listen to him. So wish i asked more now, but even if i said anything i would of been shot down

So there we have it they havent seen any business plan or plans that Red will increase revenue its purely due to the fact that one individual who never saw a game prior to 2010 wants to and can. Very sad

it depends how you look at it vt owns loads of sports retail stores across Asia and they will be buying our kit which = more money for him and the club ?

Makes sense

So there we have it they havent seen any business plan or plans that Red will increase revenue its purely due to the fact that one individual who never saw a game prior to 2010 wants to and can. Very sad

I can think of a billion reasons why he just may be right. Give him time and if he's wrong I'm sure he will adapt accordingly

Everything we are fighting against has been clarified,we are a Malaysian boys toy

So there we have it they havent seen any business plan or plans that Red will increase revenue its purely due to the fact that one individual who never saw a game prior to 2010 wants to and can. Very sad

it depends how you look at it vt owns loads of sports retail stores across Asia and they will be buying our kit which = more money for him and the club ?

.......................Wez they won't sell any shirts. If you was to buy a foreign shirt it won't be from a second div average side. Maybe inter Milan real Madrid or barca.

So there we have it they havent seen any business plan or plans that Red will increase revenue its purely due to the fact that one individual who never saw a game prior to 2010 wants to and can. Very sad

it depends how you look at it vt owns loads of sports retail stores across Asia and they will be buying our kit which = more money for him and the club ?

.......................Wez they won't sell any shirts. If you was to buy a foreign shirt it won't be from a second div average side. Maybe inter Milan real Madrid or barca.

lets hope the mother fcukers are stupid and think its a man utd kit

So there we have it they havent seen any business plan or plans that Red will increase revenue its purely due to the fact that one individual who never saw a game prior to 2010 wants to and can. Very sad

it depends how you look at it vt owns loads of sports retail stores across Asia and they will be buying our kit which = more money for him and the club ?

.......................Wez they won't sell any shirts. If you was to buy a foreign shirt it won't be from a second div average side. Maybe inter Milan real Madrid or barca.

I must admit I'm not sure about shirt sales in normal circumstances but maybe the difference is that we will be marketed almost like the representatives of Malaysia or even the far east and that just may capture the imaginations of the people in those areas. VT clearly has something in mind as he is no fool when it comes to business and what sells. Time will tell.

People saying they want answers? There is no answers for christ sake. No-one needs an answer. Nothing to question.
If you have the money to keep this club going then go ahead.
VT is in charge not us.. Even if your against the change, your stupid plans ent going to change it.

I love how the fan goes on about MM and Celtic.. Utter childish. Hes with Cardiff thats it.

Cardiff City season ticket refund meeting – 27/06/12
A meeting took place at Cardiff City Stadium from 6pm – 8pm at Cardiff City Stadium on the 27th June for all fans who requested a refund on their season tickets. Many fans were initially turned away from the meeting by security, despite producing e-mails from Alan Whiteley showing they were invited. After some discussion with security staff outside the stadium, myself and three others who had initially been denied access were allowed in. I believe some other fans were turned away and not allowed entry.

The meeting was held in a large room on the first floor of the stadium, with five members of staff initially present alongside security personnel. These five people were as follows:



Alan Whiteley – Chief Executive

Malky Mackay – Manager

Wayne Nash – Stadium Manager

Barrie McAuliffe – Media Manager

Julian Jenkins – Premier Club Representative.



The meeting began with Alan Whiteley making a pre-prepared statement. Recording was not permitted, but I have taken notes and due to my journalism and shorthand training all quotes are as close to 100% accurate as is possible without recording.

Whiteley: “By 2004 due to the spending of Sam Hammam, we had a total debt of £24,000,000. By 2007 with the Peter Ridsdale effect this had slightly been reduced, but by the time we played Blackpool in the 2010 playoff final the club was effectively bust and close to being wound up by HMRC. At this stage Vincent Tan put £6,000,000 into the club to help deal with short term problems, this did not address any of the long term debts owed to Langston (Sam Hammam) or PMG (Paul Guy).

By 2012, Vincent Tan had put in a total of £35,000,000 to pay off all trade debts. This includes player wages, transfer fees and other running costs, but does not include any of these aforementioned historic debts. Alan Whiteley then went on to say that by the time we got to the West Ham playoff games the club had three options to go forward. These were:

“1. Stay the same as we were and continue to lose money while attempting to gain promotion.

2. Retrench and restructure the club. (Player sales such as we saw when Robert Earnshaw/Graham Kavanagh etc left the club)

3. Move on and push forward”

At this time the board went to Vincent Tan to give him these options. Vincent Tan wants the club to be a “sustainable Premiership club, to ensure he gets his money back”. The club also want to finish in the top two this season and avoid the lottery of the playoffs. It was at this stage than Alan Whiteley made the first of several claims that I find to be astounding. He stated that if we wanted to break even next season, the ticket price for every fan in the ground would have to rise by £25. If we wanted to make money, the price of each ticket would have to rise by £75. He confirmed that this was on a game by game basis, and not on the season ticket price. This was working with an average attendance of 22,000 people. This means that in total, to make money next season the club would have to make an extra £1,650,000 for every home match. He confirmed that Vincent Tan would only back the club with the changes to the kit and badge.

At this stage many of the people in attendance began to ask questions. One fan asked Alan Whiteley if Vincent Tan had presented to the board his plan for making additional money in the Asian market. Alan Whiteley confirmed that they “had no idea” where the additional revenue was going to come from. When asked if Vincent Tan had presented them with a business plan, it was confirmed that he had not. Alan Whiteley told the fan “I could show you a 40 page dossier and you still wouldn’t be happy”. When the fan responded that “but you don’t have one, do you?” he had no response.

Alan Whiteley insisted that there was no way we could raise additional funds through local sources, and that looking further afield was the only option the club had. Vincent Tan presented the board with the rebranding proposal in early April. Alan Whiteley declared that the local members of the board “understood the passion for blue and were not particularly enamored with the decision.” He said that at this stage they had three options. Accept the rebrand, negotiate or refuse and look for additional funding sources. Due to the rebranding proposal “commercially making sense” they accepted the decision without negotiation.

Alan Whiteley then listed the advantages and disadvantages of the rebrand.

Advantages – Financial stability, strengthen the team and create a platform and go forward to reach the Premiership.

Disadvantages – Supporter anger.

When asked how the board felt that playing in red would help improve the team or improve merchandise sales, he had no answer.

He then looked to address a number of the criticisms that the club has faced over the last few weeks. He said that the main criticism he had had from fans was “a lack of consultation with the fans about the proposed changes”. He said that he felt that this criticism was wrong. This was met with widespread disbelief from the fans present, laughter and several disapproving comments. Alan Whiteley became visibly flustered by this reaction and said “It is impossible for us to ask 18,000 people a question” and “Nothing I can say about it will change your mind anyway”. He said if they had asked 18,000 fans and 12,000 had said they wanted to remain in blue and with a bluebird badge, the 6,000 people that would have gone for it would still have to be strongly considered. A fan then remarked that if a poll was done of every season ticket holder if they wanted to play in blue with a bluebird badge, all of them would say yes. Alan Whiteley remarked that it was “impossible to know that for sure” and that that was only our opinion.

Moving on, he denied the club had become a laughing stock and that scaremongering had not taken place with the initial statement put out by Dato Chan. This was again strongly derided by those in the room, and it looked as if Alan Whiteley hardly believed the worlds he was saying himself. He denied that the option was ever “red or dead” and stated that the Malaysians had never been in danger of walking away. When he was questioned about comments made by Steve Borley on Twitter which had suggested otherwise, he was unable to provide an answer. He said that the money was only on offer with the rebrand, and that Vincent Tan was not prepared to invest money without these changes. It was at this stage where a number of worrying comments began to emerge.

Alan Whiteley stated that the additional money would initially go into the club as debt. Far from the club being debt free, the debt is actually going to increase as a result of this rebrand. He was asked if he though the rebranding would work in Asia and bring in additional money, he responded “I don’t know, I am not an Asian”. This once again resulted in anger from the crowd, no questions were being answered properly and it was extremely frustrating to try and get a straight answer. Whiteley stated that “Vincent Tan has not put in black and white where he thinks the money will come from, he just believes he can do it”. He then stated that it was “irrelevant if the rebranding worked or not, because it was Vincent Tans money being risked and not that of the club”. When asked if they had questioned Vincent Tan at all on this issue by a fan, he replied “If you want to buy out Vincent Tan and keep the club blue we will be delighted” but confirmed they had not looked for any additional financing from anyone other than the Malaysians. After referring to 2012 being the year of the dragon in China, one fan asked if we would “have had a rat on the badge if it had been the year of the rat?”. There was no answer.

Alan Whiteley then announced that three possible deals had been offered to Langston (Sam Hammam). These were:

1 – £8,000,000 payable within 30 days.

2 – £10,000,000, with £3,000,000 payable now and the rest at the end of the season.

3 – £13,000,000, with £8,000,000 payable this year and an additional £5,000,000 if Cardiff City got promoted to the Premiership.

He confirmed that Langston had not yet responded to this offer, and the debt was not paid off or any closer to being paid off. It was at this stage that Alan Whiteley confirmed that Sam Hammam would be welcome to take up a life presidency of the club if he wanted such a title, and would be welcome to attend any games he liked. A number of people voiced objections to this, especially as the club had spent the first 20 minutes of the meeting stating how the majority of the debt was Sam Hammams fault. Many people felt that the idea of giving Hammam such a title was a further insult to the fans, and would be even worse than changing the shirt colour to many fans. Despite heavy opposition to the return of Hammam, it seems very likely that the settling of the debt would involve Hammam returning to the club in at least some form, even if the position held no real power. A fan said that the very idea of Hammam being allowed through the gates of Cardiff City Stadium was an insult, with many of those in attendance applauding this statement.

When asked why Langston should accept any of the three offers on the table when they would be entitled to far more money in three years, Whiteley shrugged and said it was “up to them”.

At this stage, perhaps sensing the mood turning, Alan Whiteley invited Malky Mackay to speak to the crowd on football related issues only. When asked if he was happy with the transfer budget for the following season he stated “Satisfied? You always want more. But I have a better amount to work with than last season, and I will spend every penny if I find a suitable player”. He then commented “I need every supporter I can get. We know that this team represents the local area and the local community and I understand the tradition of the club. I get both sides of the argument and can see where you are coming from, but I also see where these guys are coming from (points to other club officials). “

He commented that we had tried to sign three players in January, with bids of £3,000,000 for Marvin Sordell, £2,000,000 for Matt Phillips and a bid for Craig Noone that he did not give a value too. He commented that only five teams had used January well, and these were Tottenham, Everton, Swansea, West Ham and Reading. He said he did not care if every fan in the stadium chanted Bluebirds or Dragons and that any peaceful demonstration of blue would not effect his team. He was then asked if he thought Celtic would change colours for money, he didn’t answer but commented that he thought Rangers would play in red if the same deal was offered to them.

Transfers were then discussed. He said there had been no contact with Craig Bellamy. I asked him if the Malaysian players we had had on trial were his choice or forced upon him, he answered “They contacted us asking if we could take them on trial. It is very difficult to get a work permit for a Malaysian player. We were never going to sign them”. He also indicated that Kenny Miller, Peter Whittingham and Joe Mason would have had to have left the club if we did not agree to turn red, however this was not confirmed and he did not indicate if there had been bids.

Malky Mackay then left the meeting, after thanking supporters and saying that if we were there next season or not, he understood the situation. He was thanked by fans for his work last season, receiving a round of applause as he left the room.

I felt sorry for Malky Mackay for being forced to attend such a meeting. It was clear the club felt that criticism would be kept to a minimum if he was present, as if he respected by a huge majority of supporters. Once he had left the room, the questioning of those still present increased.

The conversation turned to why Vincent Tan and Dato Chan had decided to reverse their decision despite promising they would not in a statement only weeks before. They downplayed the impact of the Supporters Trust poll, and stated that the Wales Online poll was a better reflection of fans views. When it was pointed out that fans of rival clubs could vote on this poll, while everyone who is a part of the Supporters Trust is clearly a Cardiff City fan he had no response. A fan then said “If Vincent Tan really believes in the rebranding, shouldn’t he be here to discuss it with us rather than forcing you to be here?” Alan Whiteley was stumped by this and Julian Jenkins jumped in. “Ignoring my job for a moment, I’m sat here as a fan. I’ve been here for the bad times such as Alan Durban and some of the poor players we have signed. I’m not passionate about the colour of Cardiff City. None of us know what will happen with the rebrand, but it was made with the best interest of the club in mind at the time.” When asked what would happen if Vincent Tan got bored and pulled out he said nobody knew what would happen, but he expected it would be similar to Darlington, Rangers or Portsmouth.

He confirmed that Vince Alm had been told about the rebrand and had been asked not to tell anybody about it. Vince was seen as being representative of the majority of fans views. Someone asked if they agreed that Vincent Tan was blackmailing the club with his demands, and Whiteley responded “It’s not blackmail, it’s offering money with certain conditions”. When it was pointed out that that is pretty much exactly what blackmail is he looked embarrassed and did not respond. Julian Jenkins stated that his best day supporting Cardiff was Scunthorpe in 1993 and asked what colour we had worn that day? It was then pointed out that this was an away game, and the club had got promoted while wearing blue at home.

The meeting began to wind down at this stage, with many people frustrated at the answers given and the amount of times the club had been unable to give an answer. One fan walked out after it was announced Sam Hammam would be welcome back, with others trickling out as time went by. On the issue of a refund for those who had requested their season ticket money back, Alan Whiteley stated that a decision would be made in the next ten days and that fans would be informed. He was worried that if a refund was given, many more fans would then request one. He gave the official number of refunds requested as “just over 90″ and the club was getting several letters a day, as well as a deluge of emails.

When asked how many fans in total he felt would be lost he said “I have no idea, but I accept we will lose some. I don’t want anybody to walk away and I will work hard to keep as many as possible”. The issue of peaceful protest was raised, and Alan Whiteley stated “I don’t know” to the question of how he though Vincent Tan would react if he attended a match and was not clapped.

It was revealed that Vincent Tan had only taken a real interest in the club in the last six months, and that “he was involved in a number of big companies worldwide, Cardiff City are only a small business to him”.

Julian Jenkins then stated that more consultation would happen over next summer with fans, with a questionnaire sent out to fans and 20 of those who filled it in being invited to a meeting at the club with five potential badges and give potential kits. He said that this would be sent to 15,000 people. I commented that Alan Whiteley had said earlier they had “no way” of contacting season ticket holders but they were now talking about sending these questions to the majority of our fans, the only answer they had was “well thats different”.

This badge which has been seen by many fans online was called a “spoof” and the club denied all responsibility.
The final issue discussed was the proposed new training facilities. Two or three sites were being discussed, and it would take two years to get a site and plans confirmed, and then six to nine months to build them. Wayne Nash has visited several Premiership training grounds and states that we will have facilities on the level of Stoke City.

The meeting concluded at this stage, with seemingly everyone in attendance unconvinced by the clubs argument and still demanding a refund. Further meetings are planned in the future with fans.

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So summary of the meeting. Whitley couldn't answer anything. Malaysians are increasing not decreasing debt and Malky is still sound.

People saying they want answers? There is no answers for christ sake. No-one needs an answer. Nothing to question.
If you have the money to keep this club going then go ahead.
VT is in charge not us.. Even if your against the change, your stupid plans ent going to change it.

I love how the fan goes on about MM and Celtic.. Utter childish. Hes with Cardiff thats it.

agree we either like it or lump it simples

To sum up the meeting, cause the Malaysians said so.....repeat. load of f*cking bollox and a waste of time.
I'm 100% decided, I'll not support this franchise, it's not my club, my club has been ripped apart and I'm absolutely devastated, proper gutted that the thing Ive loved for so long is dead, angry more than anything. Putting Asian fans before local fans, never thought I'd see the f*cking day. The day they piss off back to Malaysia the better

Everything we are fighting against has been clarified,we are a Malaysian boys toy

Without VT we are in the shit, what do you want, a chance of Prem. football, or go backwards down the leagues?