Questions We Must All Ask Ourselves

I guess there are very few here who actually WANT to go red. When the decision appeared to be Red or No Club, I'm not surprised there was little resistance the rebrand. But as we now know, our CEO has said there was never a threat that our investors would walk.

This makes me wonder ....

IF no agreement is reached with Langston ....

If the current indebtedness to VT is NOT converted to share capital ....

If the rumoured new investment is not forthcoming or is just added to the current debt burden ....

Won't we have let our identity be ditched for nothing?

Shouldn't we be campaigning to resist the rebrand now before it's too late?

Shouldn't we be campaigning to resist the rebrand now before it's too late?

Unless the club provide some form of guarantee that they are carrying out their statements which they have so far been reluctant to do then yes we should resist.

We were going to protest. But thanks to certain shadies the meetings were called off, and there were bottlers.

To me it sounded like the Malaysians were willing to go back to blue, but at a financial cost, until the sycophancy rolled in, at which point they thought, "Hey, maybe we can go red and market the club that way after all". So we have ourselves to blame for overreacting in a way. We always do pathetic extremes.

I guess there are very few here who actually WANT to go red. When the decision appeared to be Red or No Club, I'm not surprised there was little resistance the rebrand. But as we now know, our CEO has said there was never a threat that our investors would walk.

This makes me wonder ....

IF no agreement is reached with Langston ....

If the current indebtedness to VT is NOT converted to share capital ....

If the rumoured new investment is not forthcoming or is just added to the current debt burden ....

Won't we have let our identity be ditched for nothing?

Shouldn't we be campaigning to resist the rebrand now before it's too late?

Isn't that called 'jumping the gun?'

I think there is a little ambiguity about what AW was saying about the Malaysians. They were never going to leave us in the lurch by pulling out immediately. But it is highly likely that the £1m p/m funding would have been cut drastically and players would have been sold.

The reference to finding new 'investors' was a clear reference to eventually selling up.

However, you have every right to protest if you wish, but before doing that surely you should explain your strategy should the Malaysians cut back on their financial support because of it?

Because to me what you are suggesting amounts to a game of Russian Roulette with a ruthless billionaire, to which there can only be one winner.

I guess there are very few here who actually WANT to go red. When the decision appeared to be Red or No Club, I'm not surprised there was little resistance the rebrand. But as we now know, our CEO has said there was never a threat that our investors would walk.

This makes me wonder ....

IF no agreement is reached with Langston ....

If the current indebtedness to VT is NOT converted to share capital ....

If the rumoured new investment is not forthcoming or is just added to the current debt burden ....

Won't we have let our identity be ditched for nothing?

Shouldn't we be campaigning to resist the rebrand now before it's too late?

Isn't that called 'jumping the gun?'

I think there is a little ambiguity about what AW was saying about the Malaysians. They were never going to leave us in the lurch by pulling out immediately. But it is highly likely that the £1m p/m funding would have been cut drastically and players would have been sold.

The reference to finding new 'investors' was a clear reference to eventually selling up.

However, you have every right to protest if you wish, but before doing that surely you should explain your strategy should the Malaysians cut back on their financial support because of it?

Because to me what you are suggesting amounts to a game of Russian Roulette with a ruthless billionaire, to which there can only be one winner.

Maybe you're right but you see to me, the Cardiff City I've loved and supported for nearly 50 years is already dead so I've got nothing to lose in trying to revive the corpse.

I guess there are very few here who actually WANT to go red. When the decision appeared to be Red or No Club, I'm not surprised there was little resistance the rebrand. But as we now know, our CEO has said there was never a threat that our investors would walk.

This makes me wonder ....

IF no agreement is reached with Langston ....

If the current indebtedness to VT is NOT converted to share capital ....

If the rumoured new investment is not forthcoming or is just added to the current debt burden ....

Won't we have let our identity be ditched for nothing?

Shouldn't we be campaigning to resist the rebrand now before it's too late?

Welcome to the forum.Too many if s in your argument for me.2 posts and a sticky eh?Perhaps your not so new after all but welcome anyway

I guess there are very few here who actually WANT to go red. When the decision appeared to be Red or No Club, I'm not surprised there was little resistance the rebrand. But as we now know, our CEO has said there was never a threat that our investors would walk.

This makes me wonder ....

IF no agreement is reached with Langston ....

If the current indebtedness to VT is NOT converted to share capital ....

If the rumoured new investment is not forthcoming or is just added to the current debt burden ....

Won't we have let our identity be ditched for nothing?

Shouldn't we be campaigning to resist the rebrand now before it's too late?

Welcome to the forum.Too many if s in your argument for me.2 posts and a sticky eh?Perhaps your not so new after all but welcome anyway

Give it a couple of minutes and someone will be blaming Gwyn for this post.

I guess there are very few here who actually WANT to go red. When the decision appeared to be Red or No Club, I'm not surprised there was little resistance the rebrand. But as we now know, our CEO has said there was never a threat that our investors would walk.

This makes me wonder ....

IF no agreement is reached with Langston ....

If the current indebtedness to VT is NOT converted to share capital ....

If the rumoured new investment is not forthcoming or is just added to the current debt burden ....

Won't we have let our identity be ditched for nothing?

Shouldn't we be campaigning to resist the rebrand now before it's too late?

IT'S DONE MATE,THE REBRAND IS UNCHANGEABLE FOR THIS SEASON AT LEAST, WE ARE PLAYING IN RED NEXT SEASON. THE NEW INVESTMENT WILL NOT BE SWITCHED TO EQUITY UNTIL THE lANGSTON DEAL IS DONE, VT WOULD BE MAD TO DO IT AND SAM KNOWS VT WONT DO IT.

This is the business world sadly and i'm just glad it isn't a circle I move in, it never about fairness, it always about who got the trump card, could run and run, both want their own way, both not prepared to lose face or a penny more than they have to

It ain't about what's fair, it ain't about what's just, it's big boys games and both want to win rather than draw.
It will get sorted, the question is when and at what cost.

Welcome to the forum.Too many if s in your argument for me.2 posts and a sticky eh?Perhaps your not so new after all but welcome anyway

Thanks for your welcome. AA knows I've been hanging around a while.

IT'S DONE MATE,THE REBRAND IS UNCHANGEABLE FOR THIS SEASON AT LEAST, WE ARE PLAYING IN RED NEXT SEASON. THE NEW INVESTMENT WILL NOT BE SWITCHED TO EQUITY UNTIL THE lANGSTON DEAL IS DONE, VT WOULD BE MAD TO DO IT AND SAM KNOWS VT WONT DO IT.

So we've tossed away our identity for nothing then? There would have a lot more resistance from the "Reluctant Reds" if they'd known that from the beginning.

It's a shame all the public polls took place when people were under the impression that changing to red was a small price to pay for Langston being settled and a huge investment coming in. Sounds like people were misled big time.

I guess there are very few here who actually WANT to go red. When the decision appeared to be Red or No Club, I'm not surprised there was little resistance the rebrand. But as we now know, our CEO has said there was never a threat that our investors would walk.

This makes me wonder ....

IF no agreement is reached with Langston ....

If the current indebtedness to VT is NOT converted to share capital ....

If the rumoured new investment is not forthcoming or is just added to the current debt burden ....

Won't we have let our identity be ditched for nothing?

Shouldn't we be campaigning to resist the rebrand now before it's too late?

Yes we would have done it all for nothing if your IF'S do not come true and lost are identity along the way i feel theres loads of scenario's with outcomes but without knowing if the IFS are going to come true. What i do know is we have had are badge/colour changed on a promise but we have seen them all before, only the future will tell the truth although i wouldnt trust these triads at all

I guess there are very few here who actually WANT to go red. When the decision appeared to be Red or No Club, I'm not surprised there was little resistance the rebrand. But as we now know, our CEO has said there was never a threat that our investors would walk.

This makes me wonder ....

IF no agreement is reached with Langston ....

If the current indebtedness to VT is NOT converted to share capital ....

If the rumoured new investment is not forthcoming or is just added to the current debt burden ....

Won't we have let our identity be ditched for nothing?

Shouldn't we be campaigning to resist the rebrand now before it's too late?

Welcome to the forum.Too many if s in your argument for me.2 posts and a sticky eh?Perhaps your not so new after all but welcome anyway

Expect more so called anti branding to join soon

Jinks there good IFS and i see you cannot answer them just say its anti branding questions, will they not effect you if these IFS do happen because they will affect us all at the end of the day but theres a million IFS rite now

Last edited by Bluebird1977 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I guess there are very few here who actually WANT to go red. When the decision appeared to be Red or No Club, I'm not surprised there was little resistance the rebrand. But as we now know, our CEO has said there was never a threat that our investors would walk.

This makes me wonder ....

IF no agreement is reached with Langston ....

If the current indebtedness to VT is NOT converted to share capital ....

If the rumoured new investment is not forthcoming or is just added to the current debt burden ....

Won't we have let our identity be ditched for nothing?

Shouldn't we be campaigning to resist the rebrand now before it's too late?

Welcome to the forum.Too many if s in your argument for me.2 posts and a sticky eh?Perhaps your not so new after all but welcome anyway

Expect more so called anti branding to join soon

I have 6500 posts and I never get a sticky

I guess there are very few here who actually WANT to go red. When the decision appeared to be Red or No Club, I'm not surprised there was little resistance the rebrand. But as we now know, our CEO has said there was never a threat that our investors would walk.

This makes me wonder ....

IF no agreement is reached with Langston ....
if an agrrement is reached with Langston
If the current indebtedness to VT is NOT converted to share capital ....
If the current indebtedness to VT is converted to share capital ....
If the rumoured new investment is not forthcoming or is just added to the current debt burden ....
If the rumoured new investment is forthcoming
Won't we have let our identity be ditched for nothing?

Shouldn't we be campaigning to resist the rebrand now before it's too late?

Welcome to the forum.Too many if s in your argument for me.2 posts and a sticky eh?Perhaps your not so new after all but welcome anyway

As you can see the IF's apply both ways I honestly don't think people supportive of the rebrand or those against it can be complacent as nothing is guaranteed nhere.

Last edited by djwayne on Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

IT'S DONE MATE,THE REBRAND IS UNCHANGEABLE FOR THIS SEASON AT LEAST, WE ARE PLAYING IN RED NEXT SEASON. THE NEW INVESTMENT WILL NOT BE SWITCHED TO EQUITY UNTIL THE lANGSTON DEAL IS DONE, VT WOULD BE MAD TO DO IT AND SAM KNOWS VT WONT DO IT.

So we've tossed away our identity for nothing then? There would have a lot more resistance from the "Reluctant Reds" if they'd known that from the beginning.

It's a shame all the public polls took place when people were under the impression that changing to red was a small price to pay for Langston being settled and a huge investment coming in. Sounds like people were misled big time.

I don't buy that at all. We are talking about a multi-million pound deal and both sides are jockeying for position before committing to a deal.

There is nothing misleading as the intention is still there to invest and convert once an acceptable deal has been reached. What we have to remember is the Langston debt had absolutely nothing to do with Malaysians, the money was spent well before they got here.

With that in mind it is no wonder they are trying to cut the best deal possible, after all the likes of Steve Borley and PMG (who are still around) didn't do anything whilst they were in charge.

Question Sam Hammam should be asking himself - do I really love Cardiff City and will I settle - answers on a post card - I know what I think

I guess there are very few here who actually WANT to go red. When the decision appeared to be Red or No Club, I'm not surprised there was little resistance the rebrand. But as we now know, our CEO has said there was never a threat that our investors would walk.

This makes me wonder ....

IF no agreement is reached with Langston ....

If the current indebtedness to VT is NOT converted to share capital ....

If the rumoured new investment is not forthcoming or is just added to the current debt burden ....

Won't we have let our identity be ditched for nothing?

Shouldn't we be campaigning to resist the rebrand now before it's too late?

well said

Question Sam Hammam should be asking himself - do I really love Cardiff City and will I settle - answers on a post card - I know what I think

I understand the sentiment but I'm sure Sam Hammam would reply by saying he is taking an £18m hit in search for a settlement, which should prove his love for CCFC.

Question Sam Hammam should be asking himself - do I really love Cardiff City and will I settle - answers on a post card - I know what I think

I understand the sentiment but I'm sure Sam Hammam would reply by saying he is taking an £18m hit in search for a settlement, which should prove his love for CCFC.

Does he really want to settle?

I guess there are very few here who actually WANT to go red. When the decision appeared to be Red or No Club, I'm not surprised there was little resistance the rebrand. But as we now know, our CEO has said there was never a threat that our investors would walk.

This makes me wonder ....

IF no agreement is reached with Langston ....

If the current indebtedness to VT is NOT converted to share capital ....

If the rumoured new investment is not forthcoming or is just added to the current debt burden ....

Won't we have let our identity be ditched for nothing?

Shouldn't we be campaigning to resist the rebrand now before it's too late?

Welcome to the forum.Too many if s in your argument for me.2 posts and a sticky eh?Perhaps your not so new after all but welcome anyway

Expect more so called anti branding to join soon

I have 6500 posts and I never get a sticky

Just make a long anti branding post

Jinks there good IFS and i see you cannot answer them just say its anti branding questions, will they not effect you if these IFS do happen because they will affect us all at the end of the day but theres a million IFS rite now

Fans clinging on to IFS.. We dont have a crystal ball its just people assuming again..

Why doesn't Sam come out in public and speak, let's hear what he's got to say - strange hes not said anything through his own mouth for years - afraid of hanging himself ???. Conspicuous by his silence

Question Sam Hammam should be asking himself - do I really love Cardiff City and will I settle - answers on a post card - I know what I think

I understand the sentiment but I'm sure Sam Hammam would reply by saying he is taking an £18m hit in search for a settlement, which should prove his love for CCFC.

Does he really want to settle?

I would imagine he is desperate to get something back.

We still have our identity.

IT'S DONE MATE,THE REBRAND IS UNCHANGEABLE FOR THIS SEASON AT LEAST, WE ARE PLAYING IN RED NEXT SEASON. THE NEW INVESTMENT WILL NOT BE SWITCHED TO EQUITY UNTIL THE lANGSTON DEAL IS DONE, VT WOULD BE MAD TO DO IT AND SAM KNOWS VT WONT DO IT.

So we've tossed away our identity for nothing then? There would have a lot more resistance from the "Reluctant Reds" if they'd known that from the beginning.

It's a shame all the public polls took place when people were under the impression that changing to red was a small price to pay for Langston being settled and a huge investment coming in. Sounds like people were misled big time.

No we havent,the investment is still happening,all agreed,its just the debt to equity wont happen till they settle with sam.

No we havent,the investment is still happening,all agreed,its just the debt to equity wont happen till they settle with sam.

Ok if you are so sure that the investment is happening please quote your source.

No we havent,the investment is still happening,all agreed,its just the debt to equity wont happen till they settle with sam.

Ok if you are so sure that the investment is happening please quote your source.

Errrr try Vincent Tan

IT'S DONE MATE,THE REBRAND IS UNCHANGEABLE FOR THIS SEASON AT LEAST, WE ARE PLAYING IN RED NEXT SEASON. THE NEW INVESTMENT WILL NOT BE SWITCHED TO EQUITY UNTIL THE lANGSTON DEAL IS DONE, VT WOULD BE MAD TO DO IT AND SAM KNOWS VT WONT DO IT.

So we've tossed away our identity for nothing then? There would have a lot more resistance from the "Reluctant Reds" if they'd known that from the beginning.

It's a shame all the public polls took place when people were under the impression that changing to red was a small price to pay for Langston being settled and a huge investment coming in. Sounds like people were misled big time.

Don't think anyone has tossed away their identity, some may say they have had it taken from them, as for your statement that the reluctant reds would have shown more resistance if they'd known from the start, I'm a bit confused as to what you are trying to get at, and that ain't me trying to be clever, i really don't get the point?

I think people were asked if they would accept it if it meant they gave the investment, but isn't that what has happened, as far as i can see, it was going to be red whatever, we as fans were asked would we accept it if it brought the investment, the majority said yes and the investment came, isn't that the case?
I don't feel misled, they never said vote yes and we'll settle with Langston, how could they then or now say what Langston were going to do.?

No we havent,the investment is still happening,all agreed,its just the debt to equity wont happen till they settle with sam.

Ok if you are so sure that the investment is happening please quote your source.

Steve borley on twitter.