" VERY IMPORTANT POINT "

I have just read in a blog by TLG this point :

During the first meeting on Tuesday 8 May, Chief Executive Alan Whiteley stated unequivocally that the proposed investment package from Tan Sri Vincent Tan was dependant upon a final settlement of the Langston loan notes debt. Mr Whiteley sounded confident that an agreement with Sam Hammam would be reached in the near future, but he was very clear in his assertion that a successful conclusion to the long-running Langston saga was fundamental to any further investment from the club’s Malaysian benefactor.

I have to redress the balance here and those who were present, or at least those who were actually listening, were told that once a deal with Langston was settled that then and only then would Vincent Tan go about turning his debt into equity (shares).

The investment would still go ahead regardless of a final settlement of the Langston loan note but the debt to equity would only happen subject to the deal with Langston being successfully concluded.

Also in the same blog TLG says :

The Chief Executive also stated on several occasions during the 8 May meeting that the proposed re-branding would be implemented ahead of the 2012/13 season regardless of whether the investment package came to fruition or not. The alterations to the club’s kit and its badge were said by Mr Whiteley to be “non-negotiable.”

TLG says that Alan Whiteley claimed this on May 8th and said it was "non-negotiable", yet on May 10th the Bluebird was introduced to the badge that was previously missing on May 8th, at the time of those two meetings the only people to have seen those badges were the few of us in the room and it was protests from those present that obviously negotiated the Bluebird onto the badge.

I think it is important that if you are given access to such information whether you feel it was a 'misfortune' to be invited you should at least report it correctly, whether you favour it or not.

Before anyone says anything, this is not personal between TLG and myself but the facts must be delivered. If everything else with the investment goes ahead but a deal is not concluded between the club and Langston, it would be unfair on the club for fans to think that Vincent Tan has not converted the debt to equity because they were told this by somebody who was present in the meeting.

That TLG is a complete twonk Carl…..his credibility was lost a long time ago.

It's just a mess

Thanks Carl for clearing that up - the way you've put it is the way that I'd always understood it, but thanks for making that clear, as its clearly an important distinction

Just a small gesture the tiny little hard to see Bluebird, but i bet you anything Carl it will be gone in the not to distant future. Everything that is or was Cardiff City will be gone. Even the fans spirit.

Just a small gesture the tiny little hard to see Bluebird, but i bet you anything Carl it will be gone in the not to distant future. Everything that is or was Cardiff City will be gone. Even the fans spirit.

Sad but true

When does the season start?I'm getting bored stiff with blogs counter blog.
He said this and I said that.
To me to you,to you to me.

Very interesting, but we still play at home in red, with the badge from hell.

When does the season start?I'm getting bored stiff with blogs counter blog.
He said this and I said that.
To me to you,to you to me.

Well said

When does the season start?I'm getting bored stiff with blogs counter blog.
He said this and I said that.
To me to you,to you to me.

As I tried to say this is not personal but important that the facts are told as they were said to those present, there is far too much scaremongering, not that I am accusing TLG of such, but what he wrote in his blog is incorrect, surely you would like to make a decision based on fact ?

The Chief Executive also stated on several occasions during the 8 May meeting that the proposed re-branding would be implemented ahead of the 2012/13 season regardless of whether the investment package came to fruition or not. The alterations to the club’s kit and its badge were said by Mr Whiteley to be “non-negotiable.”

TLG says that Alan Whiteley claimed this on May 8th and said it was "non-negotiable", yet on May 10th the Bluebird was introduced to the badge that was previously missing on May 8th, at the time of those two meetings the only people to have seen those badges were the few of us in the room and it was protests from those present that obviously negotiated the Bluebird onto the badge.

I think it is important that if you are given access to such information whether you feel it was a 'misfortune' to be invited you should at least report it correctly, whether you favour it or not.

Sorry Carl, can you clarify - are you saying that TLG has misreported what was said at that meeting on the 8th of May regarding the re-branding as 'non-negotiable'?

So assuming the Langston issue isn't sorted in the near future, and this new 'investment' is forthcoming, it'll just mean we'll be owing VT £60/80/100m rather than the £40 or so million it is currently?

I'm not sure I'd be too comfortable seeing the club invest in these training facilities and whatnot with the Langston debt still outstanding, and the money owed to VT growing.

The Chief Executive also stated on several occasions during the 8 May meeting that the proposed re-branding would be implemented ahead of the 2012/13 season regardless of whether the investment package came to fruition or not. The alterations to the club’s kit and its badge were said by Mr Whiteley to be “non-negotiable.”

TLG says that Alan Whiteley claimed this on May 8th and said it was "non-negotiable", yet on May 10th the Bluebird was introduced to the badge that was previously missing on May 8th, at the time of those two meetings the only people to have seen those badges were the few of us in the room and it was protests from those present that obviously negotiated the Bluebird onto the badge.

I think it is important that if you are given access to such information whether you feel it was a 'misfortune' to be invited you should at least report it correctly, whether you favour it or not.

Sorry Carl, can you clarify - are you saying that TLG has misreported what was said at that meeting on the 8th of May regarding the re-branding as 'non-negotiable'?

Adam, I am saying TLG stated 2 points in his blog, the first was definitely misinterpreted and the second was obviously wrong, well I suppose obvious to those who were present, as the badge on May 8th did not feature a bluebird but two days later it did.

Its all a load of bollocks now we should be talking about possible signings etc instead all this shit just wont go away.

I think its destined for failure all of it.The Red thing is just to please Tan himself all this hitting the asian market will never happen so many big clubs have tried and failed so why do people think we are going to sell are kit.

Most kits out there are copies anyhow.Its just to please Tans personal preference the Red thing didnt need to happen.

Its all turned into a mess.

Sorry Carl, can you clarify - are you saying that TLG has misreported what was said at that meeting on the 8th of May regarding the re-branding as 'non-negotiable'?

Adam, I am saying TLG stated 2 points in his blog, the first was definitely misinterpreted and the second was obviously wrong, well I suppose obvious to those who were present, as the badge on May 8th did not feature a bluebird but two days later it did.

Surely it is an issue of semantics though, Carl? Your report from that meeting also stated that the red kit and welsh dragon badge were ''non-negotiable''. Obviously 2 days later this changed.

No one will embrace change unless it`s done for the greater good and happiness of all of the people ! Concluding all of us are in a swamp of uncertainty concerning the future of our club ! This will go on and on unless their is a clear message from our owners and a statement of intent by them. We are expected to accept change without any compromise with the fans and we don`t know what we are getting in exchange! P. R is non existent between the club and the fans ! This has been handled badly by the club and they owe it to the fans to show some clarity by coming out and giving a public announcement on their commitment and future plans.

Lets all bum the malaysians and when there balls deep in equity within are club then we go to town on them, thats comming up soon i know

Carl it is only picking holes in TLGs blog isn't it ? What the Malaysians have told us are LIES, DOWNRIGHT LIES, AND MORE FOOKING LIES, AND THEY ARE STILL LYING TO US. Why don't you state the un truths they are spouting ?

When seeing the badge for the first time at that meeting did anyone actually say how badly it was designed?

Carl it is only picking holes in TLGs blog isn't it ? What the Malaysians have told us are LIES, DOWNRIGHT LIES, AND MORE FOOKING LIES, AND THEY ARE STILL LYING TO US. Why don't you state the un truths they are spouting ?

So on what basis are they lying? Or are you just spouting nonsense. I hear people saying the VT and TG are lying about this and that but can never back it up with what the actual reality is behind these so called lies.

Far too many sheep on here!

Carl it is only picking holes in TLGs blog isn't it ? What the Malaysians have told us are LIES, DOWNRIGHT LIES, AND MORE FOOKING LIES, AND THEY ARE STILL LYING TO US. Why don't you state the un truths they are spouting ?

So on what basis are they lying? Or are you just spouting nonsense. I hear people saying the VT and TG are lying about this and that but can never back it up with what the actual reality is behind these so called lies.

Far too many sheep on here!

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COME ON CLEVER CLOGS PULL THIS ONE APART !!

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The Chief Executive also stated on several occasions during the 8 May meeting that the proposed re-branding would be implemented ahead of the 2012/13 season regardless of whether the investment package came to fruition or not. The alterations to the club’s kit and its badge were said by Mr Whiteley to be “non-negotiable.”

TLG says that Alan Whiteley claimed this on May 8th and said it was "non-negotiable", yet on May 10th the Bluebird was introduced to the badge that was previously missing on May 8th, at the time of those two meetings the only people to have seen those badges were the few of us in the room and it was protests from those present that obviously negotiated the Bluebird onto the badge.

I think it is important that if you are given access to such information whether you feel it was a 'misfortune' to be invited you should at least report it correctly, whether you favour it or not.

Sorry Carl, can you clarify - are you saying that TLG has misreported what was said at that meeting on the 8th of May regarding the re-branding as 'non-negotiable'?

Adam, you speak of semantics yet you will be fully aware that my report was written on the evening of the meeting and those present gave their views on what was presented that evening. After we gave our views, and my report going out, the bluebird was added to the badge, a little success if you ask me.

Now, ask yourself when did TLG's blog go public ?

It was on June 3rd 2012, not once in that blog did TLG state that a compromise was reached but he did say " I had the misfortune to be present at both of those gatherings and therefore I’m in a position to clarify what was actually said during them."

Now, he chose not to tell you then that a compromise had been reached, yet he wrote these comments some three weeks after the event.

Also he totally lied on the subject of the investment package being conditional on a deal with Langston being successfully concluded.

My understanding was that Vincent Tan would not be making the investment until he had increased his share of the club. He would not be turning debt into equity until Langstone is paid off. Therefore no investment until the debt is paid. Is this right or wrong? I'm a bit lost with it all now. lol

you seem to be changing what you originally said to suit the club's agenda carl ?

very sad if this is the case

TLG posted a response on Michael Morris' Board last night;

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... sg_3242796

in which he included a link to Carl's brief report on the meeting held on 8 May. TLG posted that Carl had said;

"Vincent Tan is close to agreeing a £100m investment in CCFC. But Langston has to be sorted first."

"The meeting was told that the change to red kit and Welsh dragon badge was non-negotiable."

However, the words "But Langston has to be sorted first" do not appear in the link TLG used when you click on it. The strange thing is though, that if you go to page 7 of the "Headlines from tonight's meeting" thread and look at the post by Maesteg Bluebirds at 8.49 am on 9/5/12, the words "But Langston has to be sorted first" appear in the quote of Carl's original message.

Now, in view of the claim and counter claims going on here, I think it's only fair that some explanation be given as to why the words "But Langston has to be sorted first" appear in the quote in Maesteg's Bluebird's post, but not in Carl's message when you go to it now.

Of course, if the club had seen fit to get this information out into the public domain beforehand instead of briefing selected members of the fanbase on it at a meeting, disputes like this would not arise.

TLG posted a response on Michael Morris' Board last night;

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... sg_3242796

in which he included a link to Carl's brief report on the meeting held on 8 May. TLG posted that Carl had said;

"Vincent Tan is close to agreeing a £100m investment in CCFC. But Langston has to be sorted first."

"The meeting was told that the change to red kit and Welsh dragon badge was non-negotiable."

However, the words "But Langston has to be sorted first" do not appear in the link TLG used when you click on it. The strange thing is though, that if you go to page 7 of the "Headlines from tonight's meeting" thread and look at the post by Maesteg Bluebirds at 8.49 am on 9/5/12, the words "But Langston has to be sorted first" appear in the quote of Carl's original message.

Now, in view of the claim and counter claims going on here, I think it's only fair that some explanation be given as to why the words "But Langston has to be sorted first" appear in the quote in Maesteg's Bluebird's post, but not in Carl's message when you go to it now.

Of course, if the club had seen fit to get this information out into the public domain beforehand instead of briefing selected members of the fanbase on it at a meeting, disputes like this would not arise.

I'm still actually confused as to whether the investment does depend on sorting out Langston. If it is and the situation is not resolved, then where does that leave us? Also would show that the rebranding is not in anyway linked to investment and would be totally unnecessary.

TLG posted a response on Michael Morris' Board last night;

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... sg_3242796

in which he included a link to Carl's brief report on the meeting held on 8 May. TLG posted that Carl had said;

"Vincent Tan is close to agreeing a £100m investment in CCFC. But Langston has to be sorted first."

"The meeting was told that the change to red kit and Welsh dragon badge was non-negotiable."

However, the words "But Langston has to be sorted first" do not appear in the link TLG used when you click on it. The strange thing is though, that if you go to page 7 of the "Headlines from tonight's meeting" thread and look at the post by Maesteg Bluebirds at 8.49 am on 9/5/12, the words "But Langston has to be sorted first" appear in the quote of Carl's original message.

Now, in view of the claim and counter claims going on here, I think it's only fair that some explanation be given as to why the words "But Langston has to be sorted first" appear in the quote in Maesteg's Bluebird's post, but not in Carl's message when you go to it now.

Of course, if the club had seen fit to get this information out into the public domain beforehand instead of briefing selected members of the fanbase on it at a meeting, disputes like this would not arise.

It's all getting on my tits, to be honest.

Who the Hell do these Super Fans think they are. Their little ego's have been massaged by those in positions at the club to the point where they actually think they are important !! They are all as bad as each other....trying to out-do each other on what they are so important enough 'to know'. Just bugger off to the beach and come back in August..... whatever will happen, will happen. With or without these egoistic Super Fans stirring everything up.

TLG posted a response on Michael Morris' Board last night;

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... sg_3242796

in which he included a link to Carl's brief report on the meeting held on 8 May. TLG posted that Carl had said;

"Vincent Tan is close to agreeing a £100m investment in CCFC. But Langston has to be sorted first."

"The meeting was told that the change to red kit and Welsh dragon badge was non-negotiable."

However, the words "But Langston has to be sorted first" do not appear in the link TLG used when you click on it. The strange thing is though, that if you go to page 7 of the "Headlines from tonight's meeting" thread and look at the post by Maesteg Bluebirds at 8.49 am on 9/5/12, the words "But Langston has to be sorted first" appear in the quote of Carl's original message.

Now, in view of the claim and counter claims going on here, I think it's only fair that some explanation be given as to why the words "But Langston has to be sorted first" appear in the quote in Maesteg's Bluebird's post, but not in Carl's message when you go to it now.

Of course, if the club had seen fit to get this information out into the public domain beforehand instead of briefing selected members of the fanbase on it at a meeting, disputes like this would not arise.

Paul,

Those words 'But Langston have to be sorted first' were never written written by me.

Another point would be is that you were in the meeting, what did you hear?

TLG posted a response on Michael Morris' Board last night;

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... sg_3242796

in which he included a link to Carl's brief report on the meeting held on 8 May. TLG posted that Carl had said;

"Vincent Tan is close to agreeing a £100m investment in CCFC. But Langston has to be sorted first."

"The meeting was told that the change to red kit and Welsh dragon badge was non-negotiable."

However, the words "But Langston has to be sorted first" do not appear in the link TLG used when you click on it. The strange thing is though, that if you go to page 7 of the "Headlines from tonight's meeting" thread and look at the post by Maesteg Bluebirds at 8.49 am on 9/5/12, the words "But Langston has to be sorted first" appear in the quote of Carl's original message.

Now, in view of the claim and counter claims going on here, I think it's only fair that some explanation be given as to why the words "But Langston has to be sorted first" appear in the quote in Maesteg's Bluebird's post, but not in Carl's message when you go to it now.

Of course, if the club had seen fit to get this information out into the public domain beforehand instead of briefing selected members of the fanbase on it at a meeting, disputes like this would not arise.

Paul,

Those words 'But Langston have to be sorted first' were never written written by me.

Another point would be is that you were in the meeting, what did you hear?

So who put them there Carl?

My admittedly not 100% crystal clear recollection is that, although I'm on the opposite side to him on the re-branding matter, TLG is right.

This is what happens when only the select few are invited to meetings. Things depend on only one or two people's recollections. Minuted, public fans' meetings which the real fans are invited to, not just internet forum representatives, bloggers and other representatives should have been the way to go.