FAO those willing to accept a red home kit ?

First off, I understand that for the vast majority of you your decision to back the initial rebranding plans were motivated only by a desire to see CCFC survive and indeed thrive.

Yes,there were lots of insults hurled around last week between both those opposed to and those in favour of the changes. I typed plenty of barbed comments myself. It is an emotive topic and inevitably opinions are polarised.

I have a couple of questions aimed at those in favour of the rebranding ideas originally outlined by the club...

Are you willing to accept the rebranding in its entirety as that is simply the direction in which football is going? And the investment could really revolutionise our prospects of becoming a force in Football?

Are you a reluctant red but willing to accept a red home kit to ensure the future survival of professional football in Cardiff but would ideally prefer a compromise blue/red fusion kit with a bluebird still on the badge somewhere?

Purely hypothetical but if you are a reluctant red, would you be prepared to take part in organised supporter events that would lobby for a compromise kit/badge?

Greed and greed only. Success at all costs ETC ETC ETC

We have already compromised on red kit and badge ,read between the lines ,

Greed and greed only. Success at all costs ETC ETC ETC

I am really hoping that diplomacy will work in the first instance and that we end up with a compromise. If that fails then those of us who simply cannot accept red as our home colour will have to get ourselves organised...

Keep Cardiff blue

I want us to play in blue with a bluebird, I think we all do? However for me I want a club and this club, I don't want to support another team and wouldn't support a FC of Cardiff. So it's this club or nothing.

I think in the end the result will be a red home kit with a bluebird on the badge with a dragon and if this means taking huge steps forward then so be it. I will accept this while still being dissapointed (but never forgetting) the blue.

Yes we look to compromise but 100m is a lot of money for a club in our position.

I don't agree we lose history, we change the future but the history remains. I have my memories and they will never go.

I want us to play in blue with a bluebird, I think we all do? However for me I want a club and this club, I don't want to support another team and wouldn't support a FC of Cardiff. So it's this club or nothing.

I think in the end the result will be a red home kit with a bluebird on the badge with a dragon and if this means taking huge steps forward then so be it. I will accept this while still being dissapointed (but never forgetting) the blue.

Yes we look to compromise but 100m is a lot of money for a club in our position.

I don't agree we lose history, we change the future but the history remains. I have my memories and they will never go.

I am DEAD against the rebrand, it represents everything about the modern game that I hate. The thought of losing the colour blue and the bluebird makes me wanna put my fist through a wall!

However, its probably people like me that will hold us back!! The game has moved on so much, and I guess if we don't move with it then we become a distant memory, so am getting feelings inside my numskull that I am drifting towards giving the rebranding and investment a chance, though it makes me cringe and breaks my heart, I feel like a traitor and a sell out, but am beginning to think we have to take this opportunity for the future generations of City fans.

As long as turning red is it and nothing else, no Cardiff Malaysia Dragons or half talented Malaysian players, or big Malaysian flags on our kit, or the odd home game over there! etc etc

Just a question how many of the people who dont want red have watched the city in the lower leagues ie with 2 thou odd on a week day ,or for that watched welsh leauge football ,i watched welsh leauge footy for years all the little grounds around the valleys when at half time they would use a bucket to clear water from the corner flag and get the sheep off the pitch ,i for one would not want to do that again ,the same gos for the old days with the city ,it was good at the time i agree ,but just think a bit ,i know its a bit of blackmail (so it seems)but sometimes you got to take a chance ,anyway if this red kit and all the rest dont work out where will we be ,right back where we are now and change our kit back to blue ,its worth to give it a chance just for a red home kit and still have a bluebird on the badge ,everyone will buy the blue away kit anyway if thats still the plan.

I want us to play in blue with a bluebird, I think we all do? However for me I want a club and this club, I don't want to support another team and wouldn't support a FC of Cardiff. So it's this club or nothing.

I think in the end the result will be a red home kit with a bluebird on the badge with a dragon and if this means taking huge steps forward then so be it. I will accept this while still being dissapointed (but never forgetting) the blue.

Yes we look to compromise but 100m is a lot of money for a club in our position.

I don't agree we lose history, we change the future but the history remains. I have my memories and they will never go.

I am DEAD against the rebrand, it represents everything about the modern game that I hate. The thought of losing the colour blue and the bluebird makes me wanna put my fist through a wall!

However, its probably people like me that will hold us back!! The game has moved on so much, and I guess if we don't move with it then we become a distant memory, so am getting feelings inside my numskull that I am drifting towards giving the rebranding and investment a chance, though it makes me cringe and breaks my heart, I feel like a traitor and a sell out, but am beginning to think we have to take this opportunity for the future generations of City fans.

As long as turning red is it and nothing else, no Cardiff Malaysia Dragons or half talented Malaysian players, or big Malaysian flags on our kit, or the odd home game over there! etc etc

I pretty much agree with you.

I said a couple of years ago and still believe in a few years a lot of football clubs will be gone, liquidated.
Those with minimal debt are the ones who will survive and I'd like to think we would be one of those if this happened.

I always think if Tan does all this and makes us into a brand like he hopes we can later try and get the kit back.

Like under Sam we were stuck with the st David's badge but got it back under PR. swings and roundabouts.

Bang on there ,if it dont work out go back to how we were ,if it does happy days ,and thats not being greedy its just giving our club the best chance .

Greed and greed only. Success at all costs ETC ETC ETC

For the future of watching our club week in week out

I would obviously love to see us as we are and carry on.
However, times are changing in so many ways.
We seem to have to move with the times or be left behind.
If we need the current board to stay with us just to survive, then that's what we have to have.
He who pays, calls the tune etc.
To me, life is far too short to worry what colour my team play in, if it means survival. There are far more important things in life. I hope to see city play as much as I can in the future.
How many fans have seen us in away colours ranging from black/green/red/white yellow etc anyway? Was the support any less because we were not wearing blue? The answer is no.
So for me, I will follow the club no matter what. (as long as I can afford to)

It's the levels of compromise that interest me.

If the original plan was red kit, dragon badge, no bluebird and it is now, hypothetically red kit, dragon and bluebird badge. THAT is a compromise. It seems to have placated a few more of the fans.

So we are now looking at those who happily accepted the rebrand added to those that didn't accept the rebrand but would for the 100 million and now we can add to that those that will now accept the rebrand for the compromise of the Bluebird on the badge.

Although the numbers are dwindling there is obviously still a call for further compromise from us that remain against the rebrand. So the question is, if you are still against the current plan WHAT is an acceptable compromise to you?

What percentage of our support do we think wants NO compromise? If we are still many but only say 20% do we cause enough problems so that the 80% do not get their wish or do we walk away and begin again?

It's the levels of compromise that interest me.

If the original plan was red kit, dragon badge, no bluebird and it is now, hypothetically red kit, dragon and bluebird badge. THAT is a compromise. It seems to have placated a few more of the fans.

So we are now looking at those who happily accepted the rebrand added to those that didn't accept the rebrand but would for the 100 million and now we can add to that those that will now accept the rebrand for the compromise of the Bluebird on the badge.

Although the numbers are dwindling there is obviously still a call for further compromise from us that remain against the rebrand. So the question is, if you are still against the current plan WHAT is an acceptable compromise to you?

What percentage of our support do we think wants NO compromise? If we are still many but only say 20% do we cause enough problems so that the 80% do not get their wish or do we walk away and begin again?

This is going to cause a massive split in the fans.....

I will always be Blue and will always want us to stay Blue. I was stunned/shocked/hurt and hated the thought of us not only losing our club colours last week at the first meeting but also at losing our Badge/Nickname etc. But I was also pleased that VT compromised by the Thursday and was willing to let us keep a Bluebird on the badge and our nick name Bluebirds. Having the away kit Blue was also something I suppose.

Now for this season, everything has been left alone.

But next season VT will def want to change, but I can see it now being done more amicable and compromising.

Annis in your opinion did the person who leaked the news help or hinder the club?

Def hinder our club, to many reasons why to write on here Luke. There were 4 of them involved, one who was close to our club and works part-time there and 3 from another mb. Carl could prob explain it better why they hindered our club.

Annis I don't know about the people involved but from reading message boards and press cuttings etc I certainly agree.
Maybe done for the right reasons but could cost us in the end.

It's the levels of compromise that interest me.

If the original plan was red kit, dragon badge, no bluebird and it is now, hypothetically red kit, dragon and bluebird badge. THAT is a compromise. It seems to have placated a few more of the fans.

So we are now looking at those who happily accepted the rebrand added to those that didn't accept the rebrand but would for the 100 million and now we can add to that those that will now accept the rebrand for the compromise of the Bluebird on the badge.

Although the numbers are dwindling there is obviously still a call for further compromise from us that remain against the rebrand. So the question is, if you are still against the current plan WHAT is an acceptable compromise to you?

What percentage of our support do we think wants NO compromise? If we are still many but only say 20% do we cause enough problems so that the 80% do not get their wish or do we walk away and begin again?

This is going to cause a massive split in the fans.....

Yep it's mainly why I asked. I cannot see it being a 50/50 split forever. It seems the sway towards the changes has already begun. However, purely because of the volatility of those that will remain still fervently against ANY change, there will forever be a split and that is sad and should NEVER have been brought about.

I cannot see a point where we will be at say a 95% acceptance and therefore no real remaining lobbying. There will always be a large voice against it and THAT will therefore continue to frustrate all fans on both sides. At the moment I am looking at not supporting the club or supporting a new AFC Cardiff. however, I do not think there will be a large enough number of dissenting voices left that could make a second club happen.

We can talk about compromise forever and a day but it will never unite us all again.

i made the point last week that common sense and realism is on the side of changing to red but i just cant see myself clapping a team out that aint in blue. I really think this is my last season wacthing the bluebirds because after this year, to me it wont be cardiff city. It breaks my heart but thatll be it for me

I will always be Blue and will always want us to stay Blue. I was stunned/shocked/hurt and hated the thought of us not only losing our club colours last week at the first meeting but also at losing our Badge/Nickname etc. But I was also pleased that VT compromised by the Thursday and was willing to let us keep a Bluebird on the badge and our nick name Bluebirds. Having the away kit Blue was also something I suppose.

Now for this season, everything has been left alone.

But next season VT will def want to change, but I can see it now being done more amicable and compromising.

Surely this is not good news us staying blue this season if the investment doesn't happen?
That will mean us not paying off Sam and Malky having to shop for bargains again. Lack of quality and strength in depth will cost us once again?
We have to get out this division next season due to the fair play laws kicking in the following season.

Hope I am completely wrong but no way will they invest the £100 million with a blue home kit this season?

They will only invest big if they can finalise the Langston deal, that is the truth of the matter, even Whitley said that.

Can't blame them for that, it's the one debt we need rid of now. It's been around our neck to long

When I first heard about the proposed rebranding of the club I was furious and hurt and thought, no way can that happen, then I heard about the compromise and my feelings eased and thought, does it really matter what colour shirts we play in, afterall, we are still Cardiff City, the club I love, always have and always will. I would rather see my team play in red than have no club at all, so now, although I wish we would continue playing in blue, I wouldn't mind about the rebranding as long as the compromise will still be there.

I would obviously love to see us as we are and carry on.
However, times are changing in so many ways.
We seem to have to move with the times or be left behind.
If we need the current board to stay with us just to survive, then that's what we have to have.
He who pays, calls the tune etc.
To me, life is far too short to worry what colour my team play in, if it means survival. There are far more important things in life. I hope to see city play as much as I can in the future.
How many fans have seen us in AWAY colours ranging from black/green/red/white yellow etc anyway? Was the support any less because we were not wearing blue? The answer is no.
So for me, I will follow the club no matter what. (as long as I can afford to)

It is the playing in blue at HOME that is the problem. No-one minds what they do with the away kits.

If the malaysians told me there would be no big investment but they would keep cardiff city afloat im happy to watch them in red

If the malaysians told me there would be no big investment but they would keep cardiff city afloat im happy to watch them in red

No the whole point of this is we get out of the red

A blue and red home shirt is the answer. Lots of good designs have been submitted. Everyone's happy.

A blue and red home shirt is the answer. Lots of good designs have been submitted. Everyone's happy.

I don't think everyone would be happy. Obviously the Far East investors want red and the fans want blue. A mixture helps no one and we were only looking at strips in order to compromise. I would still see a half and half kit as a major change to how we should look.

A blue and red home shirt is the answer. Lots of good designs have been submitted. Everyone's happy.

I don't think everyone would be happy. Obviously the Far East investors want red and the fans want blue. A mixture helps no one and we were only looking at strips in order to compromise. I would still see a half and half kit as a major change to how we should look.

It would be better than an all red home kit.

A blue and red home shirt is the answer. Lots of good designs have been submitted. Everyone's happy.

I don't think everyone would be happy. Obviously the Far East investors want red and the fans want blue. A mixture helps no one and we were only looking at strips in order to compromise. I would still see a half and half kit as a major change to how we should look.

It would be better than an all red home kit.

A compromise kit as illustrated on here and CCMB last week would certainly placate me. I do think that we have to stand our ground and fight for compromises with our Malaysian investors because I still have an uneasy feeling that kit and badges are merely the thin edge of the wedge.

A comromise to suit all. No way do I want to sell my soul for money.but I will listen and compromise.

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I know that this has been covered elsewhere over the last week but that blue/red dragon compromise shirt that you've illustrated really is impressive. It would still be a sizeable departure from what we have been used to but it looks eminently marketable to me and more importantly a colour/design that hopefully the vast majority of us could get behind.

I know Borley and Mcauliffe mentioned via the social networking sites that they would show the design to TG, I would love to find out what his feelings are on it and whether he feels it could be a goer.

The future.

Give us a chance to shape our destiny. Seize the day.

First one home other one away,swaying me already

The future.

Give us a chance to shape our destiny. Seize the day.

First one home other one away,swaying me already

I don't think that will work. They are both basically the same colour shirts, if there was a clash with the home shirt the same clash would occur with the away shirt.