MY SO CALLED THREATS

Just to clear a few things up. There has been a lot of rubbish banded about over the last few days, possibly expected and understandable when something so important to many of us looked in possible danger of undertaking massive change, and at the worse scenario, possibly going out of business.

All of us have had a view; some haven’t had the same chance to express these views on message boards, meetings or in the press. Those of us who have had their views opinions and agendas highlighted (myself included) have put themselves up as a target for abuse or simply debate which is part and parcel of raising your head above the parapet.
At times it’s approached civil war with friend versus friend and even brother versus brother, in some cases if you had a different view, then you were seen as the enemy. That doesn’t make it right, but it’s just how it is.
I have had major concerns that things were getting out of hand and people could get hurt simply for making themselves “targets” for either extreme of the spectrum.

I have tried to warn people, because the last thing I want to see is a bit of message board infighting turn into actual physical violence, and it was heading that way. Now these warnings I have passed on are seen by some as threats, well so be it. All I will say is I have been contacted by many people who have wanted to deal with things their own way, some of these people are “let’s say dangerous” rightly or wrongly they have taken the view that some people could put our club out of business by driving off the Malaysian investment.

During the meeting on Thursday, I was unaware that the press had got hold on the details in VT’s statement, but I started getting texts telling me of a situation that was building up,I had genuine concerns that when we walked out of the meeting at the club we would find some seriously upset and aggressive people looking for what they viewed as revenge.

I did try to warn people in the meeting of this concern, but again that was seen as a threat by me. I also got to hear, and others at the meeting can back this up, that the fans meeting planned for the Muni in City Road was going to be targeted by a large group of people who weren’t going there to talk or listen to arguments. Not my plan, not my intention, but never the less people would have been targeted and I was warned of a so called “hit list”.

Emotions were running high, and it was getting out of hand, I was aware of this and so were several other fans, some, who are regularly described as “fans leaders” or “spokespersons”.

Now if this is viewed as a threat from me, then I will have to live with that, what I will say is I have close friends with totally opposed views and I don’t want to see anyone physically hurt from either side because of their views.
Personally, as with lot’s of people I have spoken to, I didn’t and still don’t want us to play in red, but if it’s the price we have to pay, then I will reluctantly accept it. Is it scaremongering to warn people we could go out of business, perhaps it was, but I and I’m sure lot’s of others weren’t prepared to take the gamble over the colour of a shirt.

Whatever happened, our history can’t be changed, how do you change history ? , you can make a new one, but you can’t change an old one.

And as for history, great, but let’s make sure we have a future.
Glasgow Rangers and Portsmouth have great history’s, but do either of them have a future?

Let’s hope we have ridden the storm and calmer times are ahead, as with many of you, I love this club, it’s never easy and possibly that’s why those of us still here are so passionate about it.

gwyn,i dont know about the alleged threats,but at times you come across as someone who likes it your way or no way..a lot was said in the heat of the moment and many will regret what they have said.....but things have calmed down so lets hope this is the end of alot of this crap...

gwyn,i dont know about the alleged threats,but at times you come across as someone who likes it your way or no way..a lot was said in the heat of the moment and many will regret what they have said.....but things have calmed down so lets hope this is the end of alot of this crap...

Not far off there mate, but don't we all, but seriously, I will listen to other views and love debating things, if people come up with valid points I like to think I'll take them on board and will change my opinions if shown the error of my ways.

I'm one of those saddos that love the Jehovah's Witness's to knock my door, I ask them loads of things and will debate forever. I remember debating with one female J.W. and I asked her so many questions and she couldn't answer them other than with the standard God moves in mysterious ways answer (yeh Ok ) after twenty minutes I could see she was starting to question her own faith, and when she walked away her head was bowed, I was distraught, I thought help, I've destroyed her belief, I didn't want to do that, I wanted her to win and convince me there is a God, and answer some of my questions.

I have this fear I may bump into her down the docks now selling her body for cider, if that happens you will find me floating in the taff, I'm sure you'll get where I'm coming from. Some arguments, I want to lose.

Is this some kind of joke?

I have no axe to grind,but have my own opinion.Blue is our colour and our heritage,i dont think it should be changed.Gwyn,you have been given a platform,via the media,and do force your views on others.and as the post above says,it always appears you want your own way or no way.I havent spoken to one fan who wants red or a dragon,its not who or what we are.

if people come up with valid points I like to think I'll take them on board and will change my opinions if shown the error of my ways.

Don't make me laugh, I've seen numerous posts by others (never mind me) that have made excellent points, yet you've just replied with sarcasm or irony. Never actually providing evidence.

i agree you with gwyn 100% we need to look after our club, not the nickname (bluebirds, which has only been on our badge since the 60s) plus the dragon was on the badge before.... so im still trying to get my head around this situation.

dont get me wrong it will be sad to see the bluebird go, but if it means taking cardiff city in its next step. then so be it

I had a pm off Gwyn and I took it as advice not a threat.

I am very thankful for that pm to be honest.

I often let my internet 'personna' get carried away as I look upon these boards as a bit of banter but on such an emotive subject I can understand that perhaps not the best subject to be a WUM.

Ive decided to keep posting and tone down my wind ups and thats not becausr Gwyn made threats, he didnt, he gave me a reality check.

I still dont agree with the pink jim jams tho.

The dragon was on our shirts for the 1927 cup victory,it was the city coat of arms,the bluebird nickname derived from a stageshow that was doing the rounds in Cardiff,prior to that.we were always known as the bluebirds.As for the bluebird not appearing on our shirts until the 6os,well no clubs logo/badge did until then,it wasnt the done thing

The dragon was on our shirts for the 1927 cup victory,it was the city coat of arms,the bluebird nickname derived from a stageshow that was doing the rounds in Cardiff,prior to that.we were always known as the bluebirds.As for the bluebird not appearing on our shirts until the 6os,well no clubs logo/badge did until then,it wasnt the done thing

Whether it was the done thing or not, the fact remains that it wasn't on the shirt until I think the 69/70 season. Doesn't mean you still can't have a strong desire to keep the badge, but in the scheme of things and the time the club will survive going forward (hopefully) then its a relatively short period of time. For what it's worth I would like to keep some reference to the bluebird but like the shirt colour, not as a deal breaker.

Just to clear a few things up. There has been a lot of rubbish banded about over the last few days, possibly expected and understandable when something so important to many of us looked in possible danger of undertaking massive change, and at the worse scenario, possibly going out of business.

All of us have had a view; some haven’t had the same chance to express these views on message boards, meetings or in the press. Those of us who have had their views opinions and agendas highlighted (myself included) have put themselves up as a target for abuse or simply debate which is part and parcel of raising your head above the parapet.
At times it’s approached civil war with friend versus friend and even brother versus brother, in some cases if you had a different view, then you were seen as the enemy. That doesn’t make it right, but it’s just how it is.
I have had major concerns that things were getting out of hand and people could get hurt simply for making themselves “targets” for either extreme of the spectrum.

I have tried to warn people, because the last thing I want to see is a bit of message board infighting turn into actual physical violence, and it was heading that way. Now these warnings I have passed on are seen by some as threats, well so be it. All I will say is I have been contacted by many people who have wanted to deal with things their own way, some of these people are “let’s say dangerous” rightly or wrongly they have taken the view that some people could put our club out of business by driving off the Malaysian investment.

During the meeting on Thursday, I was unaware that the press had got hold on the details in VT’s statement, but I started getting texts telling me of a situation that was building up,I had genuine concerns that when we walked out of the meeting at the club we would find some seriously upset and aggressive people looking for what they viewed as revenge.

I did try to warn people in the meeting of this concern, but again that was seen as a threat by me. I also got to hear, and others at the meeting can back this up, that the fans meeting planned for the Muni in City Road was going to be targeted by a large group of people who weren’t going there to talk or listen to arguments. Not my plan, not my intention, but never the less people would have been targeted and I was warned of a so called “hit list”.

Emotions were running high, and it was getting out of hand, I was aware of this and so were several other fans, some, who are regularly described as “fans leaders” or “spokespersons”.

Now if this is viewed as a threat from me, then I will have to live with that, what I will say is I have close friends with totally opposed views and I don’t want to see anyone physically hurt from either side because of their views.
Personally, as with lot’s of people I have spoken to, I didn’t and still don’t want us to play in red, but if it’s the price we have to pay, then I will reluctantly accept it. Is it scaremongering to warn people we could go out of business, perhaps it was, but I and I’m sure lot’s of others weren’t prepared to take the gamble over the colour of a shirt.

Whatever happened, our history can’t be changed, how do you change history ? , you can make a new one, but you can’t change an old one.

And as for history, great, but let’s make sure we have a future.
Glasgow Rangers and Portsmouth have great history’s, but do either of them have a future?

Let’s hope we have ridden the storm and calmer times are ahead, as with many of you, I love this club, it’s never easy and possibly that’s why those of us still here are so passionate about it.

A typical view of someone who is a megalomaniac & Egotistical

How much is VT paying this guy?

Just to clear a few things up. There has been a lot of rubbish banded about over the last few days, possibly expected and understandable when something so important to many of us looked in possible danger of undertaking massive change, and at the worse scenario, possibly going out of business.

All of us have had a view; some haven’t had the same chance to express these views on message boards, meetings or in the press. Those of us who have had their views opinions and agendas highlighted (myself included) have put themselves up as a target for abuse or simply debate which is part and parcel of raising your head above the parapet.
At times it’s approached civil war with friend versus friend and even brother versus brother, in some cases if you had a different view, then you were seen as the enemy. That doesn’t make it right, but it’s just how it is.
I have had major concerns that things were getting out of hand and people could get hurt simply for making themselves “targets” for either extreme of the spectrum.

I have tried to warn people, because the last thing I want to see is a bit of message board infighting turn into actual physical violence, and it was heading that way. Now these warnings I have passed on are seen by some as threats, well so be it. All I will say is I have been contacted by many people who have wanted to deal with things their own way, some of these people are “let’s say dangerous” rightly or wrongly they have taken the view that some people could put our club out of business by driving off the Malaysian investment.

During the meeting on Thursday, I was unaware that the press had got hold on the details in VT’s statement, but I started getting texts telling me of a situation that was building up,I had genuine concerns that when we walked out of the meeting at the club we would find some seriously upset and aggressive people looking for what they viewed as revenge.

I did try to warn people in the meeting of this concern, but again that was seen as a threat by me. I also got to hear, and others at the meeting can back this up, that the fans meeting planned for the Muni in City Road was going to be targeted by a large group of people who weren’t going there to talk or listen to arguments. Not my plan, not my intention, but never the less people would have been targeted and I was warned of a so called “hit list”.

Emotions were running high, and it was getting out of hand, I was aware of this and so were several other fans, some, who are regularly described as “fans leaders” or “spokespersons”.

Now if this is viewed as a threat from me, then I will have to live with that, what I will say is I have close friends with totally opposed views and I don’t want to see anyone physically hurt from either side because of their views.
Personally, as with lot’s of people I have spoken to, I didn’t and still don’t want us to play in red, but if it’s the price we have to pay, then I will reluctantly accept it. Is it scaremongering to warn people we could go out of business, perhaps it was, but I and I’m sure lot’s of others weren’t prepared to take the gamble over the colour of a shirt.

Whatever happened, our history can’t be changed, how do you change history ? , you can make a new one, but you can’t change an old one.

And as for history, great, but let’s make sure we have a future.
Glasgow Rangers and Portsmouth have great history’s, but do either of them have a future?

Let’s hope we have ridden the storm and calmer times are ahead, as with many of you, I love this club, it’s never easy and possibly that’s why those of us still here are so passionate about it.

A typical view of someone who is a megalomaniac & Egotistical

How much is VT paying this guy?

Gwyn has got the clubs future at heart, unlike a lot on this forum

Threats by the red camp, and I thought the blue noses were supposed to be the knuckledraggers

Threats by the red camp, and I thought the blue noses were supposed to be the knuckledraggers

Its sad really that any City fans wants turn on another over their different beliefs ,as were all Cardiff City fans and we support one Club Cardiff City.

As you know I am firmly for Blue, but am willing to compromise for the future of our Club.

gwynn.....appreciate your response....

Just to clear a few things up. There has been a lot of rubbish banded about over the last few days, possibly expected and understandable when something so important to many of us looked in possible danger of undertaking massive change, and at the worse scenario, possibly going out of business.

All of us have had a view; some haven’t had the same chance to express these views on message boards, meetings or in the press. Those of us who have had their views opinions and agendas highlighted (myself included) have put themselves up as a target for abuse or simply debate which is part and parcel of raising your head above the parapet.
At times it’s approached civil war with friend versus friend and even brother versus brother, in some cases if you had a different view, then you were seen as the enemy. That doesn’t make it right, but it’s just how it is.
I have had major concerns that things were getting out of hand and people could get hurt simply for making themselves “targets” for either extreme of the spectrum.

I have tried to warn people, because the last thing I want to see is a bit of message board infighting turn into actual physical violence, and it was heading that way. Now these warnings I have passed on are seen by some as threats, well so be it. All I will say is I have been contacted by many people who have wanted to deal with things their own way, some of these people are “let’s say dangerous” rightly or wrongly they have taken the view that some people could put our club out of business by driving off the Malaysian investment.

During the meeting on Thursday, I was unaware that the press had got hold on the details in VT’s statement, but I started getting texts telling me of a situation that was building up,I had genuine concerns that when we walked out of the meeting at the club we would find some seriously upset and aggressive people looking for what they viewed as revenge.

I did try to warn people in the meeting of this concern, but again that was seen as a threat by me. I also got to hear, and others at the meeting can back this up, that the fans meeting planned for the Muni in City Road was going to be targeted by a large group of people who weren’t going there to talk or listen to arguments. Not my plan, not my intention, but never the less people would have been targeted and I was warned of a so called “hit list”.

Emotions were running high, and it was getting out of hand, I was aware of this and so were several other fans, some, who are regularly described as “fans leaders” or “spokespersons”.

Now if this is viewed as a threat from me, then I will have to live with that, what I will say is I have close friends with totally opposed views and I don’t want to see anyone physically hurt from either side because of their views.
Personally, as with lot’s of people I have spoken to, I didn’t and still don’t want us to play in red, but if it’s the price we have to pay, then I will reluctantly accept it. Is it scaremongering to warn people we could go out of business, perhaps it was, but I and I’m sure lot’s of others weren’t prepared to take the gamble over the colour of a shirt.

Whatever happened, our history can’t be changed, how do you change history ? , you can make a new one, but you can’t change an old one.

And as for history, great, but let’s make sure we have a future.
Glasgow Rangers and Portsmouth have great history’s, but do either of them have a future?

Let’s hope we have ridden the storm and calmer times are ahead, as with many of you, I love this club, it’s never easy and possibly that’s why those of us still here are so passionate about it.

f**k me, you ain't half a Drama Queen! (and a knob sometimes)

Threats by the red camp, and I thought the blue noses were supposed to be the knuckledraggers

Its sad really that any City fans wants turn on another over their different beliefs ,as were all Cardiff City fans and we support one Club Cardiff City.

As you know I am firmly for Blue, but am willing to compromise for the future of our Club.

We are the BLUEBIRDS, but i want the club to be there for my kids and theirs. Our history is there for all to see, that will never be taken away

Don't know about threats of violence, but things have been pretty nasty on here over the last few days, both ways. But, generally speaking, keyboard warriors stay there, behind the keyboard.

Threats by the red camp, and I thought the blue noses were supposed to be the knuckledraggers

Its sad really that any City fans wants turn on another over their different beliefs ,as were all Cardiff City fans and we support one Club Cardiff City.

As you know I am firmly for Blue, but am willing to compromise for the future of our Club.

Annis, I think that your view here is probably the thought and agreement of the majority of supporters. We all want a club to support and be invested in, and be debt free, If this is the only way we can do it, then we have to accept the changes and move on.

You never know what the future will bring, there will always be the colour blue in some capacity, and maybe a chance for it to come back in all its glory at some point in the future.

Threats by the red camp, and I thought the blue noses were supposed to be the knuckledraggers

Its sad really that any City fans wants turn on another over their different beliefs ,as were all Cardiff City fans and we support one Club Cardiff City.

As you know I am firmly for Blue, but am willing to compromise for the future of our Club.

We are the BLUEBIRDS, but i want the club to be there for my kids and theirs. Our history is there for all to see, that will never be taken away

And I respect your view of things pontyblue but what we are talking about are threats and intimidation, when people resort to that they are losing the debate just like when a few who were against change resorted to racist remarks and threats to vt and tg there is no place for it

Crazy stuff. Mad that you should have to come on and defend yourself. I behin the fact that Idont want it, but I want a bright future even more. Too many people trying to go back in time though. Maybe this is who vt wants out of the club.

Threats by the red camp, and I thought the blue noses were supposed to be the knuckledraggers

Its sad really that any City fans wants turn on another over their different beliefs ,as were all Cardiff City fans and we support one Club Cardiff City.

As you know I am firmly for Blue, but am willing to compromise for the future of our Club.

Annis the one thing that struck me about last season was the togetherness at the club and it was great to see the board, manager, team and fans united like the days of Rick Wright and Eddie May. We must not lose that and like you I'm sure that there is a position which will suit all parties and get us back on track.

For me certain things are sacrosanct and must never change, we are Cardiff City AFC that must never change, our nickname is the Bluebirds and that must never change but after that for me anything is up for discussion.

If we were to change to a red shirt then for me our away shirt MUST always be blue that way it gives the club the opportunity to play 1 home game each season in our away kit (that is allowed under Football League Rules). That way we have the oportunity to remember and respect our tradition and heritage a sort of "Bluebirds" day and what a marketing oppoerunity that is every season.

Personally I will support TG & VT if they go ahead with this plan but we must see the promised investment and we must see debts paid off, the stadium completed, our own training ground developed and of course team rebuilding continued. What must not happen is that we change from our traditional colours and the debts remain etc. That would be unacceptable.

But in TG & VT we have men of integrity they may be hardnosed businessmen but they do have a charm, dignity and yes integrity so I believe they will deliver on their promise.

To compromise is for a number of people that comes to see each others point and there for thinks it is valid.
A great group of people on here, were willing to see the club go to the wall.

It was blue or nothing, you can not do anything to our badge! ( even our badge has been changed over a number of seasons) Right away followed by name calling, something children would do cos they cant think of anything constructive to say.

Any person with us a oz of brain for business, could work out that this club like any other club is a business, and there for we must have money coming in to stay afloat. We already knew that they were bailing us out every month to the tune of around 1mil. But still it was blue or nothing. If that money stopped and VT was to walk away,our creditors would be up on us like a flash to get what they could before we went under,and that in its self would kill us off.

Then they go mouthing off about our history, again they cant see that if we were to go under our history goes with it. While Cardiff City take to the field of play every weekend our history goes out there with them. But I want Cardiff City to be there for my children long after I'm gone. Talk about Cardiff City would go on long after the game at one time in Pubs, But a lot of them Pubs are gone now and I'm sure more will follow,so where and who will be talking about Cardiff City if they went under ? Our history would soon be gone like the pubs it was talked about in.

I hope that this week, Cardiff City and its fans and the board can once again come together and concentrate on the job in hand and that is to get us back into the running for next seasons games with a team and fans and board that can do it as one. COME ON CARDIFF, WE ALL LOVE YOU !! AND YOU TO VT

Threats by the red camp, and I thought the blue noses were supposed to be the knuckledraggers

Its sad really that any City fans wants turn on another over their different beliefs ,as were all Cardiff City fans and we support one Club Cardiff City.

As you know I am firmly for Blue, but am willing to compromise for the future of our Club.

I think this is the sensible approach, protect our history and heritage without just selling it off at the first request but still be willing to listen and compromise. I'm against the re-brand but I still would be interested in hearing what they have to say and I would also like to know just how much market research has been put into it. I don't think we need commercially sensitive info, just the fact that this has been researched in a professional manner by a market research co and it's not just the whim's of a chairman!

Which side are the dangerous people on? Just So I know which side to choose lyk

I have no axe to grind,but have my own opinion.Blue is our colour and our heritage,i dont think it should be changed.Gwyn,you have been given a platform,via the media,and do force your views on others.and as the post above says,it always appears you want your own way or no way.I havent spoken to one fan who wants red or a dragon,its not who or what we are.

People may not want red or a dragon but a lot of people are now prepared to see the bigger picture for the sake of the future of our club.

I have no axe to grind,but have my own opinion.Blue is our colour and our heritage,i dont think it should be changed.Gwyn,you have been given a platform,via the media,and do force your views on others.and as the post above says,it always appears you want your own way or no way.I havent spoken to one fan who wants red or a dragon,its not who or what we are.

Well I have spoken to many fans who all say although they would rather not play in red they don't see any problem with it so long as the bluebirds is on the badge and our nickname remains the bluebirds. And at the end of the day we would still be playing in blue in the away games. We don't play in blue at the moment away from home. The away kit changes from season to season from different colour to different colour( even the white if our rivals- something I find much harder to stomach than płaying 50% of our game in red. Still blue shirts for 50% of the games just away games instead of homes games, blue bird on the badge, still called the bluebirds ( that would never change with the fans anyway) and still a championship and hopefully soon a premier league team to support. Far better than being in the lower divisions ( been there and got no desire to return there) or even worse non- league. Even worse still the League of Wales ( god forbid!)

Which side are the dangerous people on? Just So I know which side to choose lyk

The red side thats why ive retreated

I posted this late last night and it may have got lost amongst all the other posts, so I've decided to post it again in a thread which I believe to be relevant!

First of all, let me make it clear, that I'd prefer our team to continue to play in blue!

What I find embarrassing however, is that with all the troubles, wars and famines in this world, we get all hot and bothered over the colour of a shirt and the colour/design of a badge!

I was in the Army for nearly 13 years, my badge went years ago, as my Corps and several other Corps were amalgamated!

Many exceptionally famous regiments, with some great history, having represented the British Army in many famous battles and wars, were disbanded!

Thousands of soldiers, who have represented this country in umpteen war torn countries, including Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan, have been made redundant and thrown on the scrap heap, many with little hope of getting work in our current financial climate!

Due to the current financial meltdown in this country and probably the loss of some of our star players last season, especially Bellamy, who raised us a fortune in shirt sales, our attendances have fallen!

If the Malaysians, who have kept us afloat for the past 2 seasons, have identified a way of keeping the Cardiff City brand alive, albeit in a different colour for our home games, then I think we ought to put things into a true perspective, support them and applaud their efforts!

None of us have any idea how far they can take us with the proposed investment, but I think that even the most vocal of "blue at all cost" supporters will admit, that the alternative is not going to be anything like how it has been, since Andy Campbell's wonder strike, earned us promotion to what I consider to be the best, but hardest league to get out of!

Whilst I thoroughly enjoy the level of football in the Championship however, it's clear that we need to get promoted in the next couple of seasons, in order to stabilise the club more financially!

All I'd ask of everybody, is to give them a chance, as they've not let us down to date!

Was I a target? Ha