NOTHING Has Changed For Me

I really don't see what has changed for anyone else either.

All the statement by TG did was tell us officially what we all already knew was planned.

I didn't like the thought of it on Tuesday, and I certainly will not warm in any way to the idea just because a minority of people of the same opinion took it upon themselves to use the Malaysians race as a weapon against them.

I have done nothing wrong by valuing history, tradition, culture, whatever it is you wish to call it - and I'd strongly remind others against the change that they have done nothing wrong either.

I still think it is a criminal abuse and degradation of 104 years of irreplaceable heritage, and the fact that my club will be the one that whores itself, of all the clubs in the English pyramid, will stay with me to my grave.

In a nutshell sir!

I really don't see what has changed for anyone else either.

All the statement by TG did was tell us officially what we all already knew was planned.

I didn't like the thought of it on Tuesday, and I certainly will not warm in any way to the idea just because a minority of people of the same opinion took it upon themselves to use the Malaysians race as a weapon against them.

I have done nothing wrong by valuing history, tradition, culture, whatever it is you wish to call it - and I'd strongly remind others against the change that they have done nothing wrong either.

I still think it is a criminal abuse and degradation of 104 years of irreplaceable heritage, and the fact that my club will be the one that whores itself, of all the clubs in the English pyramid, will stay with me to my grave.

When most realise, we could lose our club because some are not willing to move forward, you will be in the minority I would have though. Just my opinion.

The longevity and future importance of this football club far outweighs its past.

Like the football world in general, we have to accept change and evolve!

Our history is history it can not ever be removed or replaced?

Maybe if we don't take up these opportunities, then there may never be a history for our children's children etc etc.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with any branding but I personally want whats best for the future of Cardiff city FC, not to dwell on the past.

I really don't see what has changed for anyone else either.

All the statement by TG did was tell us officially what we all already knew was planned.

I didn't like the thought of it on Tuesday, and I certainly will not warm in any way to the idea just because a minority of people of the same opinion took it upon themselves to use the Malaysians race as a weapon against them.

I have done nothing wrong by valuing history, tradition, culture, whatever it is you wish to call it - and I'd strongly remind others against the change that they have done nothing wrong either.

I still think it is a criminal abuse and degradation of 104 years of irreplaceable heritage, and the fact that my club will be the one that whores itself, of all the clubs in the English pyramid, will stay with me to my grave.

When most realise, we could lose our club because some are not willing to move forward, you will be in the minority I would have though. Just my opinion.

I have read the Malaysians statement today and they have not stated that they are leaving us. So saying we are going to lose our club is just scaremongering.

Agreed.

I think the u turners are worse than the original pro reds.

Some of the grovelling is so cringeworthy its bordering on embarassing.

Well said.

The doomsday scenario as an argument to change colour is not logical, it is just scaremongering. If Tan has invested 40million why would he liqudate the club?, I am pretty certain our assets would not meet this figure.

Mate its not dwelling on the past , its just establishing that 'this is who we are!', we are who we are..we play in blue and are known as the bluebirds..why was all the investment dependant on that changing?

The longevity and future importance of this football club far outweighs its past.
Like the football world in general, we have to accept change and evolve!
Our history is history it can not ever be removed or replaced?
Maybe if we don't take up these opportunities, then there may never be a history for our children's children etc etc.
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with any branding but I personally want whats best for the future of Cardiff city FC, not to dwell on the past.

If this radical new idea is the be all and end all of modern football success, then why have only a few clubs, if any, tried it recently - apart from out and out franchises such as the red bull teams.

Our history makes this club what it is, and shitting on that instantly removes right to claim it as such. MK Dons are not known as they 1988 FA cup winners. Our situation, while not as extreme, nonethless compromises our tradition.

It will be an absolute abomination to attempt to claim the history of Cardiff City 1908-2012 as that of the current club, having been corrupted in such a way purely to gain filthy lucre and to satiate a few guilty souls consciences who are afraid of being labelled racist for being against the plans.

If tan leaves over people disagreeing with him then I still say good riddance becuase its clear he would have no balls for a fight,what would happen if we had a bad run of form and were struggling at the foot of the table. Would he threaten to leave if we wasnt happy about something else he planned to do.
ive always respected our malaysian owners and never entered into inciting racial hatred-its illegal and utterly wrong but I also 100% was against the changing of the badge,famous blue tops and nickname

You would swear that Vincent Tan and TG were vulnerable children from a war torn country, they are VERY rich man and have the thick skins necessary to have achieved that wealth. Spot on, englishbluebird.

I really don't see what has changed for anyone else either.

All the statement by TG did was tell us officially what we all already knew was planned.

I didn't like the thought of it on Tuesday, and I certainly will not warm in any way to the idea just because a minority of people of the same opinion took it upon themselves to use the Malaysians race as a weapon against them.

I have done nothing wrong by valuing history, tradition, culture, whatever it is you wish to call it - and I'd strongly remind others against the change that they have done nothing wrong either.

I still think it is a criminal abuse and degradation of 104 years of irreplaceable heritage, and the fact that my club will be the one that whores itself, of all the clubs in the English pyramid, will stay with me to my grave.

When most realise, we could lose our club because some are not willing to move forward, you will be in the minority I would have though. Just my opinion.

How on earth are we going to lose our club as the Malaysians are not walking away please read the first line from the statement they made today. "To begin, I would like to assure all supporters that the feelings toward Cardiff City Football Club from Malaysia remain as strong as ever"

The longevity and future importance of this football club far outweighs its past.
Like the football world in general, we have to accept change and evolve!
Our history is history it can not ever be removed or replaced?
Maybe if we don't take up these opportunities, then there may never be a history for our children's children etc etc.
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with any branding but I personally want whats best for the future of Cardiff city FC, not to dwell on the past.

If this radical new idea is the be all and end all of modern football success, then why have only a few clubs, if any, tried it recently - apart from out and out franchises such as the red bull teams.

Our history makes this club what it is, and shitting on that instantly removes right to claim it as such. MK Dons are not known as they 1988 FA cup winners. Our situation, while not as extreme, nonethless compromises our tradition.

It will be an absolute abomination to attempt to claim the history of Cardiff City 1908-2012 as that of the current club, having been corrupted in such a way purely to gain filthy lucre and to satiate a few guilty souls consciences who are afraid of being labelled racist for being against the plans.

Nonsense. How does changing a shirt to red remove the right to claim our history? And to try and make out that those who are pro-change are only so because of the fear of being labelled a racist is an insult to those who dare to voice an opinion that demonstrates realism and bravery. Reading your post and others like it makes me realise that Cardiff City will never rise to the heights I've always dreamed about. A sad day.

The longevity and future importance of this football club far outweighs its past.
Like the football world in general, we have to accept change and evolve!
Our history is history it can not ever be removed or replaced?
Maybe if we don't take up these opportunities, then there may never be a history for our children's children etc etc.
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with any branding but I personally want whats best for the future of Cardiff city FC, not to dwell on the past.

If this radical new idea is the be all and end all of modern football success, then why have only a few clubs, if any, tried it recently - apart from out and out franchises such as the red bull teams.

Our history makes this club what it is, and shitting on that instantly removes right to claim it as such. MK Dons are not known as they 1988 FA cup winners. Our situation, while not as extreme, nonethless compromises our tradition.

It will be an absolute abomination to attempt to claim the history of Cardiff City 1908-2012 as that of the current club, having been corrupted in such a way purely to gain filthy lucre and to satiate a few guilty souls consciences who are afraid of being labelled racist for being against the plans.

Nonsense. How does changing a shirt to red remove the right to claim our history? And to try and make out that those who are pro-change are only so because of the fear of being labelled a racist is an insult to those who dare to voice an opinion that demonstrates realism and bravery. Reading your post and others like it makes me realise that Cardiff City will never rise to the heights I've always dreamed about. A sad day.

Read my post properly - I am referring to those that have changed their minds in the last 2 or 3 hours whilst I have been sleeping, after allegations of racism were made.

The longevity and future importance of this football club far outweighs its past.
Like the football world in general, we have to accept change and evolve!
Our history is history it can not ever be removed or replaced?
Maybe if we don't take up these opportunities, then there may never be a history for our children's children etc etc.
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with any branding but I personally want whats best for the future of Cardiff city FC, not to dwell on the past.

If this radical new idea is the be all and end all of modern football success, then why have only a few clubs, if any, tried it recently - apart from out and out franchises such as the red bull teams.

Our history makes this club what it is, and shitting on that instantly removes right to claim it as such. MK Dons are not known as they 1988 FA cup winners. Our situation, while not as extreme, nonethless compromises our tradition.

It will be an absolute abomination to attempt to claim the history of Cardiff City 1908-2012 as that of the current club, having been corrupted in such a way purely to gain filthy lucre and to satiate a few guilty souls consciences who are afraid of being labelled racist for being against the plans.

Nonsense. How does changing a shirt to red remove the right to claim our history? And to try and make out that those who are pro-change are only so because of the fear of being labelled a racist is an insult to those who dare to voice an opinion that demonstrates realism and bravery. Reading your post and others like it makes me realise that Cardiff City will never rise to the heights I've always dreamed about. A sad day.

Itsnot as simple as 'changing a shirt to red'..its the taking away of the bluebird..its the "no comment" answer they gave when asked if they could guarantee that the name Cardiff City would survive beyond the following season...and its the way they handled the whole sorry affair. If you accept, what is tantamount, to the erasing of our identity then you're making a statement that you're prepaired to follow a different club!

I think they were wrongly advised about changing our name and colours etc. by a mischief maker quite possibly Sam.........think about it for a minute.

The fact that we're keeping the bluebird is what's keeping me happy.

The longevity and future importance of this football club far outweighs its past.
Like the football world in general, we have to accept change and evolve!
Our history is history it can not ever be removed or replaced?
Maybe if we don't take up these opportunities, then there may never be a history for our children's children etc etc.
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with any branding but I personally want whats best for the future of Cardiff city FC, not to dwell on the past.

If this radical new idea is the be all and end all of modern football success, then why have only a few clubs, if any, tried it recently - apart from out and out franchises such as the red bull teams.

Our history makes this club what it is, and shitting on that instantly removes right to claim it as such. MK Dons are not known as they 1988 FA cup winners. Our situation, while not as extreme, nonethless compromises our tradition.

It will be an absolute abomination to attempt to claim the history of Cardiff City 1908-2012 as that of the current club, having been corrupted in such a way purely to gain filthy lucre and to satiate a few guilty souls consciences who are afraid of being labelled racist for being against the plans.

Nonsense. How does changing a shirt to red remove the right to claim our history? And to try and make out that those who are pro-change are only so because of the fear of being labelled a racist is an insult to those who dare to voice an opinion that demonstrates realism and bravery. Reading your post and others like it makes me realise that Cardiff City will never rise to the heights I've always dreamed about. A sad day.

Read my post properly - I am referring to those that have changed their minds in the last 2 or 3 hours whilst I have been sleeping, after allegations of racism were made.

Still not sure that gives you the right to make that assumption. Maybe it's a case of common sense prevailing? And how does changing the colour of the shirt negate previous history? Did that apply when Sam H changed the badge, or does it only apply to the colour?

You would swear that Vincent Tan and TG were vulnerable children from a war torn country, they are VERY rich man and have the thick skins necessary to have achieved that wealth. Spot on, englishbluebird.

You were swear that CCFC were a very rich club and have the money to be able to refuse £100m and continue in such a manner!!!

The more I hear of this discussion the more it makes me accept change - I do not want my grandchildren to read about CCFC in the history books ............... I want then to read the match programmes of their era!!!

You would swear that Vincent Tan and TG were vulnerable children from a war torn country, they are VERY rich man and have the thick skins necessary to have achieved that wealth. Spot on, englishbluebird.

You were swear that CCFC were a very rich club and have the money to be able to refuse £100m and continue in such a manner!!!

The more I hear of this discussion the more it makes me accept change - I do not want my grandchildren to read about CCFC in the history books ............... I want then to read the match programmes of their era!!!

I don't see how you could say we would die? Other clubs are in twice as much debt as us and still surviving.

"Surviving" - says it all!!!

Still not sure that gives you the right to make that assumption. Maybe it's a case of common sense prevailing? And how does changing the colour of the shirt negate previous history? Did that apply when Sam H changed the badge, or does it only apply to the colour?

Well, that badge had the audacity to feature a bluebird, st.davids cross, and our name. It retained much of our culture in it, do you not agree? Hardly the same as just having a dragon and a red shirt, wth some throwaway latin motto under it

You would swear that Vincent Tan and TG were vulnerable children from a war torn country, they are VERY rich man and have the thick skins necessary to have achieved that wealth. Spot on, englishbluebird.

You were swear that CCFC were a very rich club and have the money to be able to refuse £100m and continue in such a manner!!!

The more I hear of this discussion the more it makes me accept change - I do not want my grandchildren to read about CCFC in the history books ............... I want then to read the match programmes of their era!!!

I don't see how you could say we would die? Other clubs are in twice as much debt as us and still surviving.

Name one club that has £140 million of debt in the championship or below.

"Surviving" - says it all!!!

Well, that's all most football clubs do. How much profit do major clubs tend to make? And how much debt are they in? Generally very little profit, and very often saddled with debts that would make our finances look healthy.

If tan leaves over people disagreeing with him then I still say good riddance becuase its clear he would have no balls for a fight,what would happen if we had a bad run of form and were struggling at the foot of the table. Would he threaten to leave if we wasnt happy about something else he planned to do.
ive always respected our malaysian owners and never entered into inciting racial hatred-its illegal and utterly wrong but I also 100% was against the changing of the badge,famous blue tops and nickname

Quote "If Tan leaves I say good riddance" For Christ sake people willing to invest 100mill don't grow on trees, this opportunity will not happen again.

You would swear that Vincent Tan and TG were vulnerable children from a war torn country, they are VERY rich man and have the thick skins necessary to have achieved that wealth. Spot on, englishbluebird.

You were swear that CCFC were a very rich club and have the money to be able to refuse £100m and continue in such a manner!!!

The more I hear of this discussion the more it makes me accept change - I do not want my grandchildren to read about CCFC in the history books ............... I want then to read the match programmes of their era!!!

I don't see how you could say we would die? Other clubs are in twice as much debt as us and still surviving.

Name one club that has £140 million of debt in the championship or below.

Think you should read the post and rephrase your question....

Form an orderly queue, guys.

You would swear that Vincent Tan and TG were vulnerable children from a war torn country, they are VERY rich man and have the thick skins necessary to have achieved that wealth. Spot on, englishbluebird.

You were swear that CCFC were a very rich club and have the money to be able to refuse £100m and continue in such a manner!!!

The more I hear of this discussion the more it makes me accept change - I do not want my grandchildren to read about CCFC in the history books ............... I want then to read the match programmes of their era!!!

I don't see how you could say we would die? Other clubs are in twice as much debt as us and still surviving.

Name one club that has £140 million of debt in the championship or below.

Think you should read the post and rephrase your question....

Form an orderly queue, guys.

You said there are other clubs that have twice as much debt as us and surviving. We have £70 million of debt so please, show me this club that's in that position and surviving in the championship or below?

You said there are other clubs that have twice as much debt as us and surviving. We have £70 million of debt so please, show me this club that's in that position and surviving in the championship or below?

Did I specify the CHAMPIONSHIP? Did I specify a league?

Regardless, people like you are pulling the thread away from it's coherent message. Maybe you should concentrate on the original post, most of which was not meant for people of your opinion, as was clearly stated.

You said there are other clubs that have twice as much debt as us and surviving. We have £70 million of debt so please, show me this club that's in that position and surviving in the championship or below?

Did I specify the CHAMPIONSHIP? Did I specify a league?

Exactly. They aren't in the same position as our club so they aren't a fair comparison.

Man United have £500 million of debt but with their turnover they can pay off £50 million a year and still have money for signings and wages.

Chelsea are being bankrolled, as are Man City.

The rest of the teams with anywhere near as much debt as us have premier league income which means they are much more attractive prospects to investors and they have plenty of money available if things do go badly as they can sell players and if worst comes to the worst rely on parachute payments.

Still not sure that gives you the right to make that assumption. Maybe it's a case of common sense prevailing? And how does changing the colour of the shirt negate previous history? Did that apply when Sam H changed the badge, or does it only apply to the colour?

Well, that badge had the audacity to feature a bluebird, st.davids cross, and our name. It retained much of our culture in it, do you not agree? Hardly the same as just having a dragon and a red shirt, wth some throwaway latin motto under it

I agree the changes were not as radical but then considering the badge is a relatively recent introduction I'm not sure it's that important at all. I just think there are bigger issues at stake than a colour and a motto. Don't get me wrong in a perfect world I'd take the cash and leave as is, but given the choice then there can be only one outcome if we are to flourish. Can I ask what compromise you would be prepared to make?