" HOW COME EARNIE IS THE ANSWER ALL OF A SUDDEN? "

3 or 4 months ago Earnie was getting slated on here and people were saying he should never have come back etc etc.

Now all of a sudden he has become a superstar overnight and i found it embarrassing when the crowd were singing his name for him to come on.

The reasons i found it embarrasing is that it undermines Malkay as a manager and did nothing for Kenny Millers confidence.

Ok Earnie did ok when he came on but if we are all realistic he is not on a par with Kenny Miller, and in 3 or 4 games time, Earnie will get the same stick when he does not perform or fails to score to, our fans are so fickle its incredible.

So i will say it again Earnie is not the answer.

Also we cannot all point the finger at Kenny Miller, his work rate and footballing brain is on another level compared to Earnie, ok he has missed a few chances of late admittedly, but he is a goal scorer and that run will end soon and unless we get a striker who has more quality than Kenny then i feel we MUST stick and persevere with him. Last night result and performance was not the fault of Miller.

Our passing at times was appalling and we put ourselves under immense pressure, Whitts, Gunners and Lawrence were to blame on that level, and whats with Marshall persisting on rolling the ball out to Hudson when he cannot pass the ball for shit, these factors need addressing before any blame is put on Miller.

Keep the faith 30 points still to play for, and the team needs our SUPPORT and not criticisms and abuse thrown at them.

Well said.
It's not like Earnshaw has been that great at finishing this season, that Welsh open goal miss comes to mind.
I do agree he should've been given more of a chance to make an impression this season, but I don't think swapping like for like would've made much difference.

3 or 4 months ago Earnie was getting slated on here and people were saying he should never have come back etc etc.

Now all of a sudden he has become a superstar overnight and i found it embarrassing when the crowd were singing his name for him to come on.

The reasons i found it embarrasing is that it undermines Malkay as a manager and did nothing for Kenny Millers confidence.

Ok Earnie did ok when he came on but if we are all realistic he is not on a par with Kenny Miller, and in 3 or 4 games time, Earnie will get the same stick when he does not perform or fails to score to, our fans are so fickle its incredible.

So i will say it again Earnie is not the answer.

Also we cannot all point the finger at Kenny Miller, his work rate and footballing brain is on another level compared to Earnie, ok he has missed a few chances of late admittedly, but he is a goal scorer and that run will end soon and unless we get a striker who has more quality than Kenny then i feel we MUST stick and persevere with him. Last night result and performance was not the fault of Miller.

Our passing at times was appalling and we put ourselves under immense pressure, Whitts, Gunners and Lawrence were to blame on that level, and whats with Marshall persisting on rolling the ball out to Hudson when he cannot pass the ball for shit, these factors need addressing before any blame is put on Miller.

Keep the faith 30 points still to play for, and the team needs our SUPPORT and not criticisms and abuse thrown at them.

its because fans are fickle unfortunately

whenever something is going wrong, they feel that change has to be the answer when actually it will often make things worse

i agree that Earnie could be on the bench to bring on when we need to nick a goal, but starting instead of Miller? No Chance

Ok so Miller is on a poor run of scoring form, which every striker is at some point in their career, but he's proven throughout his career that he can score goals and he offers a hell of a lot more all round than Earnie in my opinion.

So i think we should stick with him.

As i said, change isnt always the answer.

3 or 4 months ago Earnie was getting slated on here and people were saying he should never have come back etc etc.

Now all of a sudden he has become a superstar overnight and i found it embarrassing when the crowd were singing his name for him to come on.

The reasons i found it embarrasing is that it undermines Malkay as a manager and did nothing for Kenny Millers confidence.

Ok Earnie did ok when he came on but if we are all realistic he is not on a par with Kenny Miller, and in 3 or 4 games time, Earnie will get the same stick when he does not perform or fails to score to, our fans are so fickle its incredible.

So i will say it again Earnie is not the answer.

Also we cannot all point the finger at Kenny Miller, his work rate and footballing brain is on another level compared to Earnie, ok he has missed a few chances of late admittedly, but he is a goal scorer and that run will end soon and unless we get a striker who has more quality than Kenny then i feel we MUST stick and persevere with him. Last night result and performance was not the fault of Miller.

Our passing at times was appalling and we put ourselves under immense pressure, Whitts, Gunners and Lawrence were to blame on that level, and whats with Marshall persisting on rolling the ball out to Hudson when he cannot pass the ball for shit, these factors need addressing before any blame is put on Miller.

Keep the faith 30 points still to play for, and the team needs our SUPPORT and not criticisms and abuse thrown at them.

I agree with this. Spot on.
Can we please as fans not chant for a player to come on, its not good for players or the atmosphere, and looks v desperate to the opposition. Just support them, let them get on with their jobs and air your views here, but not at the match

3 or 4 months ago Earnie was getting slated on here and people were saying he should never have come back etc etc.

Now all of a sudden he has become a superstar overnight and i found it embarrassing when the crowd were singing his name for him to come on.

The reasons i found it embarrasing is that it undermines Malkay as a manager and did nothing for Kenny Millers confidence.

Ok Earnie did ok when he came on but if we are all realistic he is not on a par with Kenny Miller, and in 3 or 4 games time, Earnie will get the same stick when he does not perform or fails to score to, our fans are so fickle its incredible.

So i will say it again Earnie is not the answer.

Also we cannot all point the finger at Kenny Miller, his work rate and footballing brain is on another level compared to Earnie, ok he has missed a few chances of late admittedly, but he is a goal scorer and that run will end soon and unless we get a striker who has more quality than Kenny then i feel we MUST stick and persevere with him. Last night result and performance was not the fault of Miller.

Our passing at times was appalling and we put ourselves under immense pressure, Whitts, Gunners and Lawrence were to blame on that level, and whats with Marshall persisting on rolling the ball out to Hudson when he cannot pass the ball for shit, these factors need addressing before any blame is put on Miller.

Keep the faith 30 points still to play for, and the team needs our SUPPORT and not criticisms and abuse thrown at them.

Agree with all of this. When people were calling for Earnie, I was calling for Conway as I think he is the one who could brig something different to the team, a bit of pace and directness. I start him with Millar up front on his own on Sunday.

With regards to Millar, he will score soon and his overall game is still good. I really felt for him when he hit the post and it rolled across the line, you could see his anguish!

3 or 4 months ago Earnie was getting slated on here and people were saying he should never have come back etc etc.

Now all of a sudden he has become a superstar overnight and i found it embarrassing when the crowd were singing his name for him to come on.

The reasons i found it embarrasing is that it undermines Malkay as a manager and did nothing for Kenny Millers confidence.

Ok Earnie did ok when he came on but if we are all realistic he is not on a par with Kenny Miller, and in 3 or 4 games time, Earnie will get the same stick when he does not perform or fails to score to, our fans are so fickle its incredible.

So i will say it again Earnie is not the answer.

Also we cannot all point the finger at Kenny Miller, his work rate and footballing brain is on another level compared to Earnie, ok he has missed a few chances of late admittedly, but he is a goal scorer and that run will end soon and unless we get a striker who has more quality than Kenny then i feel we MUST stick and persevere with him. Last night result and performance was not the fault of Miller.

Our passing at times was appalling and we put ourselves under immense pressure, Whitts, Gunners and Lawrence were to blame on that level, and whats with Marshall persisting on rolling the ball out to Hudson when he cannot pass the ball for shit, these factors need addressing before any blame is put on Miller.

Keep the faith 30 points still to play for, and the team needs our SUPPORT and not criticisms and abuse thrown at them.

Agree with all of this. When people were calling for Earnie, I was calling for Conway as I think he is the one who could brig something different to the team, a bit of pace and directness. I start him with Millar up front on his own on Sunday.

With regards to Millar, he will score soon and his overall game is still good. I really felt for him when he hit the post and it rolled across the line, you could see his anguish!

Absolutely agree. Earnie is not and will not be the answer. The only way Earnie should be in the team is if we still had Bothroyd upfront and then, maybe, he would nick a couple of goals but even then his lack of pace and fitness would probably limit that.

Personally I think the answer is to go back to the flat midfield 5 that served us so well at the start of the season. Sit Gunnarson and Kiss infront of the CBs and then give the rest of the midfield licence to attack when we have the ball. That is the formation that got us into 3rd place.

I felt embarassed that the crowd were calling for Earnie, that's the same thing as to sing "you don't know what you're doing" at Malky ........... out of order

Beacuse the question is,

who has lost all of his pace and is always offside and makes very little impact and work rate is not up tp scratch ???

What a good post, Earnie aint the answer but people live off the memories of the last time he was at the club. Agree about the ridiculous idea where Hudson smashes the ball up front where opposing centre backs must think its their birthday.This isnt a go at Earnie as i thought he was tremendous in his first stint at the club, but our problems go much deeper than Miller or Earnie. Lets see how good a manager Malky is there are 30 points to go for, lets get going

It's because unfortunately a lot of fans seem to have a shocking understanding of football imo!
I'm no johan cruyff but some of the things i read and hear absolutely astound me!

It's because unfortunately a lot of fans seem to have a shocking understanding of football imo!
I'm no johan cruyff but some of the things i read and hear absolutely astound me!

How is asking for Earnie on the bench to give us something different, especially when our main striker is way off the pace, so shocking and astounding??

How does that show a lack of understanding of football?

Question, would you prefer no strikers at all on the bench, or Earnie on the bench?

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I dont think its a case of Earnie being "The Answer" more a case of Miller up front on his own clearly isnt working, hes missing some good chances, missed two penalties, his confidence is shot to bits and Earnie wasnt even getting on the bench.

Obviously Earnie cant play up top on his own, but even with Miller playing that system its not working so why not try something else?

Should at least have Earnie on the bench to try and make an impact.

Sorry but if any of you lot done something wrong in any work EVERY week you would be replaced or get the sack football is no diffrent if they fail to deliver swap them about.

I dont think its a case of Earnie being "The Answer" more a case of Miller up front on his own clearly isnt working, hes missing some good chances, missed two penalties, his confidence is shot to bits and Earnie wasnt even getting on the bench.

Obviously Earnie cant play up top on his own, but even with Miller playing that system its not working so why not try something else?

Should at least have Earnie on the bench to try and make an impact.

We werent having Earnshaw on the bench because we had Vuckic and he is a player that is a "jack of all trades" being able to play Centre Defensive/Attacking Midfield, Right Wing, Centre Forward and Striker. With someone that has that kind of versatility then it does seem alot more apparent as to why Earnie was left out in the cold

I dont think its a case of Earnie being "The Answer" more a case of Miller up front on his own clearly isnt working, hes missing some good chances, missed two penalties, his confidence is shot to bits and Earnie wasnt even getting on the bench.

Obviously Earnie cant play up top on his own, but even with Miller playing that system its not working so why not try something else?

Should at least have Earnie on the bench to try and make an impact.

We werent having Earnshaw on the bench because we had Vuckic and he is a player that is a "jack of all trades" being able to play Centre Defensive/Attacking Midfield, Right Wing, Centre Forward and Striker. With someone that has that kind of versatility then it does seem alot more apparent as to why Earnie was left out in the cold

Sorry fella but the guy is no striker, versatile yes, striker no.

Also, there was one home game, where we had two defenders on the bench and no striker ffs. Ridiculous.

I dont think its a case of Earnie being "The Answer" more a case of Miller up front on his own clearly isnt working, hes missing some good chances, missed two penalties, his confidence is shot to bits and Earnie wasnt even getting on the bench.

Obviously Earnie cant play up top on his own, but even with Miller playing that system its not working so why not try something else?

Should at least have Earnie on the bench to try and make an impact.

We werent having Earnshaw on the bench because we had Vuckic and he is a player that is a "jack of all trades" being able to play Centre Defensive/Attacking Midfield, Right Wing, Centre Forward and Striker. With someone that has that kind of versatility then it does seem alot more apparent as to why Earnie was left out in the cold

Sorry fella but the guy is no striker, versatile yes, striker no.

Also, there was one home game, where we had two defenders on the bench and no striker ffs. Ridiculous.

He can play striker.....how well is another matter

Usually its ok to have 2 defenders, as long as the one is Darcy because he can double up as midfield cover, otherwise it is abit odd.

Yes and was it the same people chanting for Earnie who buggered off with 10 mins to go and didn't get to see much of him anyhow...........

Yes and was it the same people chanting for Earnie who buggered off with 10 mins to go and didn't get to see much of him anyhow...........

You mean the same people leaving while chanting "Loyal Supporters!" as they were walking down the stairs to go home?

Im more concerned about the amount of goals we are conceding and lack of chances we are creating at the moment.

IMO the configuration of the midfield is just not right, far to many gaps appearing all over the pitch, the defence have little cover and we are creating next to nothing. Lawrence tried to be the holding player last night and was truly awful, his touch and control would have made Rudy look good.

My concern at the moment is totally with midfield.

If people are totally certain earnie should start (huge no from me)
The problem I see with earnie is he simply cannot play up top on his own, he cant play with Miller.
The obvious partner in terms of style for earnie is Rudy but he isnt really up to it.
Mason could potentially work but I have massive doubts on that.

But either way its going to mean two upfront and more pressure on the back four.

It's because unfortunately a lot of fans seem to have a shocking understanding of football imo!
I'm no johan cruyff but some of the things i read and hear absolutely astound me!

How is asking for Earnie on the bench to give us something different, especially when our main striker is way off the pace, so shocking and astounding??

How does that show a lack of understanding of football?

Question, would you prefer no strikers at all on the bench, or Earnie on the bench?

My issue is not about earnie being on the bench, but rather the fact that some people seem to think that earnie is the answer to all our problems all of a sudden as the OP points out.
Would I have give kenny a rest? Yes i probably would, he has played a lot of games and done a lot of travelling over the course of this season (if you count scotland games), he seems to be playing 2 games every week! I wouldn't start earnie though, i'd play Mason alone up top.
I'd also give Cowie a rest for a game or two, though i thought he looked far more comfortable when he moved into centre midfield second half last night.
The difference is, though i'd probably do a few things differently to Malky at the moment, it doesn't make Malky a shit manager over night like some of you are suggesting. On the contrary, if i was manager we would have been relegated by now and the same goes if you were manager or any of the other football connoisseurs on here!

I don't dislike your posts, you are one of the few people on here who make me laugh out loud, but i don't see the need for this recent Malky is shite etc campaign

I dont think its a case of Earnie being "The Answer" more a case of Miller up front on his own clearly isnt working, hes missing some good chances, missed two penalties, his confidence is shot to bits and Earnie wasnt even getting on the bench.

Obviously Earnie cant play up top on his own, but even with Miller playing that system its not working so why not try something else?

Should at least have Earnie on the bench to try and make an impact.

We werent having Earnshaw on the bench because we had Vuckic and he is a player that is a "jack of all trades" being able to play Centre Defensive/Attacking Midfield, Right Wing, Centre Forward and Striker. With someone that has that kind of versatility then it does seem alot more apparent as to why Earnie was left out in the cold

Sorry fella but the guy is no striker, versatile yes, striker no.

Also, there was one home game, where we had two defenders on the bench and no striker ffs. Ridiculous.

He can play striker.....how well is another matter

Usually its ok to have 2 defenders, as long as the one is Darcy because he can double up as midfield cover, otherwise it is abit odd.

Its more than odd when a fit striker gets overlooked in favour of 2 defenders!!!

We dont Darcy to double up for midfield when the other two subs are midefielders!!!

I dont think its a case of Earnie being "The Answer" more a case of Miller up front on his own clearly isnt working, hes missing some good chances, missed two penalties, his confidence is shot to bits and Earnie wasnt even getting on the bench.

Obviously Earnie cant play up top on his own, but even with Miller playing that system its not working so why not try something else?

Should at least have Earnie on the bench to try and make an impact.

We werent having Earnshaw on the bench because we had Vuckic and he is a player that is a "jack of all trades" being able to play Centre Defensive/Attacking Midfield, Right Wing, Centre Forward and Striker. With someone that has that kind of versatility then it does seem alot more apparent as to why Earnie was left out in the cold

Sorry fella but the guy is no striker, versatile yes, striker no.

Also, there was one home game, where we had two defenders on the bench and no striker ffs. Ridiculous.

He can play striker.....how well is another matter

Usually its ok to have 2 defenders, as long as the one is Darcy because he can double up as midfield cover, otherwise it is abit odd.

Its more than odd when a fit striker gets overlooked in favour of 2 defenders!!!

We dont Darcy to double up for midfield when the other two subs are midefielders!!!

Usually our bench will consist of Goal Keeper, Defender, Utility Player, Winger, Striker.
Sometimes it has been a second Utility Player (Vuckic) other times its only been Darcy as defensive cover.

Some games Malky will get slated/has been slated for not having enough attacking options on the bench but then others he will get slated/has been slated for not having enough defensive cover on the bench. The 5 player bench rule has really hurt a lot of championship teams this season, us included.

Most games it has just been Darcy on the bench for defensive cover

Most games it has just been Darcy on the bench for defensive cover

Lately yes, we were putting Gerrard and Darcy on the bench as defensive cover for alot of games however

Because Dai, We have struggled up front and we are paying £13,000 a week for a striker who does score goals.
He has slowed down and is not the total answer,but he can be a great Sub, last night 3 shots in 20 minutes.
I believe as sub he can change a game.

Barry Fry we need on the coaching staff, if only to make the subs.

At Brum he always went with 1 gk, 1 defender, 3 attacking players.

Would often bring on the 3 attacking players half time.

used to go up and watch my cousin, even if he werent playing knew he would be on at half time. Reckoned Barry Fry was the best boss ever. Soon got booted out when Trevor Francis was boss.

Im more concerned about the amount of goals we are conceding and lack of chances we are creating at the moment.

IMO the configuration of the midfield is just not right, far to many gaps appearing all over the pitch, the defence have little cover and we are creating next to nothing. Lawrence tried to be the holding player last night and was truly awful, his touch and control would have made Rudy look good.

My concern at the moment is totally with midfield.

If people are totally certain earnie should start (huge no from me)
The problem I see with earnie is he simply cannot play up top on his own, he cant play with Miller.
The obvious partner in terms of style for earnie is Rudy but he isnt really up to it.
Mason could potentially work but I have massive doubts on that.

But either way its going to mean two upfront and more pressure on the back four.

I agree lawrence looked crap and if we are paying him 18,000 per week then the worlds gone mad and portsmouth must be thinking its their lucky day but even though he was terrible to suggest he makes rudy look good is ridiculous you would make a lot more bad players than lawrence to make rudy look good

Barry Fry we need on the coaching staff, if only to make the subs.

At Brum he always went with 1 gk, 1 defender, 3 attacking players.

Would often bring on the 3 attacking players half time.

used to go up and watch my cousin, even if he werent playing knew he would be on at half time. Reckoned Barry Fry was the best boss ever. Soon got booted out when Trevor Francis was boss.

I wouldn't bother with a keeper on the bench, waste of time.

Put it like this, no one else seems to be scoring much. It's worth giving him a go (as we can't really do much worse than what we have been doing over the last few weeks).

I felt that Malky gave into the chants of the fans....................when Earnie came on it did not alter the main problem.......
we were not keeping possession or making chances

simples

Miller is not the problem and earnie is not the answer but i think earnie deserves a chance in saying all that as miller is not getting any luck in fron of goal.

Our defence has gone slack and our midfield is not working as well as it did, I wouldnt drop Conway plus the one thing we have missed all season and more so lately is a chris burke type winger