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" DO YOU AGREE WITH MALKAYS PHILOSOPHY ? "

Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:36 pm

When asked at the start of the January window about new players he said that we will only bring in the right players for the club, hence NO signings made, apart from Khadeem Harris who is unlikely to set the team alight.

Now the loan window has opened the same questions are being asked and Malkays philosophy remains the same, only if they are right for the team.

Now im no football manager but one thing i do know is that there were and there ARE players out there good enough for this team, we are Cardiff City not Real Madrid. So if we were to sign no one else again in this loan window then to me something is seriously wrong within the club.

Yes apparent bids were made by the club but how much substantial evidence of this do we have apart from word of mouth, yes i know Malkay said we made bids, but weve fallen for that in the past. I am not being negative nor am i insinuating that Malkay or the club are lying to us but there is still that small amount of HURT and worry in the back of my mind about past dealings and promises and not many came to fruition.

If we indeed do sign 2 or 3 players then so be it and any doubt or worry would be long gone, but there is still some smoulder within the fire while this huge debt still lingers over our beloved club.

Whats your thoughts? :ayatollah:

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:44 pm

1 signing will do for me :ayatollah:

We all know malky's approach and i believe 1 more winger will do us nicely :ayatollah:

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:47 pm

no point having wingers crossing balls to no one need a targetman to put the crosses away :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: " DO YOU AGREE WITH MALKAYS PHILOSOPHY ? "

Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:53 pm

I think Malky is making this club good for long-term. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:07 pm

The fact that we're not real madrid is precisely the reason why cant throw money around like confetti.
We have a limited budget so if malky is gonna spend £1 million he has got to be sure it's on the right player :ayatollah:

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:07 pm

Been reading a book about the New England Patriots and Bill Belicheck recently. He managed to judge the best way to handle the salary cap introduction and the Patriots became a hugely successful team by following two basic principles:-

1. You get a squad together where every player is above average not necessarily star names but above average, works incredibly hard and fits how the manager wants the team to work
2. Every player has to be worth his salary/transfer fee/loan fee, there is no point in paying over the odds just because someone is a star name/comes from a good team or has been at the club a long time

They still managed to sign some star players when they could justify giving the contracts but most of the best players they have had are players who weren't rated highly by other teams or players that were rough diamonds that could be moulded by a good manager.

I see Malky doing a similar thing and as the financial fair play rules are brought in I can only see us reaping the rewards of his vision. Norwich and Swansea have built teams on similar principles and currently look well set.

I am happy for him to take his time to build the squad he wants, he will have plenty of time in the summer. The loan system offers him a bit more of a chance to gamble because he doesn't have to keep the players if they don't work out. However with many clubs asking for big loan fees and looking at the loan players who didn't work out last year I think he is right to be cautious.

In six months time I'd be a bit gutted if we had missed out on promotion but I am very confident we will be in a far better place 2,3,5 years down the line if Malky sticks around.

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:09 pm

nobby wrote:When asked at the start of the January window about new players he said that we will only bring in the right players for the club, hence NO signings made, apart from Khadeem Harris who is unlikely to set the team alight.

Now the loan window has opened the same questions are being asked and Malkays philosophy remains the same, only if they are right for the team.

Now im no football manager but one thing i do know is that there were and there ARE players out there good enough for this team, we are Cardiff City not Real Madrid. So if we were to sign no one else again in this loan window then to me something is seriously wrong within the club.

Yes apparent bids were made by the club but how much substantial evidence of this do we have apart from word of mouth, yes i know Malkay said we made bids, but weve fallen for that in the past. I am not being negative nor am i insinuating that Malkay or the club are lying to us but there is still that small amount of HURT and worry in the back of my mind about past dealings and promises and not many came to fruition.

If we indeed do sign 2 or 3 players then so be it and any doubt or worry would be long gone, but there is still some smoulder within the fire while this huge debt still lingers over our beloved club.

Whats your thoughts? :ayatollah:

apparent bids? were any bids really made? Southampton and West Ham made successful bids in the January transfer window and while stating the obvious these are no doubt the 2 clubs that will fight it out for the Championship. Sadly with our small squad we will run out of steam unless we can get 3 or 4 top quality signings and I doubt very much if that will happen in the loan window.

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:11 pm

bspark wrote:Been reading a book about the New England Patriots and Bill Belicheck recently. He managed to judge the best way to handle the salary cap introduction and the Patriots became a hugely successful team by following two basic principles:-

1. You get a squad together where every player is above average not necessarily star names but above average, works incredibly hard and fits how the manager wants the team to work
2. Every player has to be worth his salary/transfer fee/loan fee, there is no point in paying over the odds just because someone is a star name/comes from a good team or has been at the club a long time

They still managed to sign some star players when they could justify giving the contracts but most of the best players they have had are players who weren't rated highly by other teams or players that were rough diamonds that could be moulded by a good manager.

I see Malky doing a similar thing and as the financial fair play rules are brought in I can only see us reaping the rewards of his vision. Norwich and Swansea have built teams on similar principles and currently look well set.

I am happy for him to take his time to build the squad he wants, he will have plenty of time in the summer. The loan system offers him a bit more of a chance to gamble because he doesn't have to keep the players if they don't work out. However with many clubs asking for big loan fees and looking at the loan players who didn't work out last year I think he is right to be cautious.

In six months time I'd be a bit gutted if we had missed out on promotion but I am very confident we will be in a far better place 2,3,5 years down the line if Malky sticks around.



That's a cracking post mate and really interesting considering Malky said today that he has studied his Belicheck's management style among others :ayatollah:

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:12 pm

Apparent bids? Poyet and our club said bids were made for noone.
Sordell himself said we bid and he nearly signed.

The wrong player could totally fck up everything.

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:16 pm

2blue2handle wrote:Apparent bids? Poyet and our club said bids were made for noone.
Sordell himself said we bid and he nearly signed.

The wrong player could totally fck up everything.

Yes bids were made for Noone but no serious bid until late in the day and the same for Sordell a very late bid. If we really wanted these 2 players why didn't we put in decent bids early on?

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:19 pm

ihatealiens wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:Apparent bids? Poyet and our club said bids were made for noone.
Sordell himself said we bid and he nearly signed.

The wrong player could totally fck up everything.

Yes bids were made for Noone but no serious bid until late in the day and the same for Sordell a very late bid. If we really wanted these 2 players why didn't we put in decent bids early on?


Why were Carroll and Torres signed with minutes to spare last year?
Just how it happens sometimes.

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:21 pm

Malky is correct the wrong type of players could upset the apple cart, but surely he can see the team are tiring already so lower the expectations of players & bring in some realistic targets or atleast start giving earnie a bit of game time!

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:21 pm

2blue2handle wrote:Apparent bids? Poyet and our club said bids were made for noone.
Sordell himself said we bid and he nearly signed.

The wrong player could totally fck up everything.



Thank you mate
I just don't get the impatience of our fans. When Malky came in and said he had a 3 year plan, why is this not good enough for us?

If we supported Forest or Sheff Wed or Leeds (who are far bigger clubs than us)and a manager came in and said he had a 3 year plan i'm sure we'd be over the moon if after 6 months that plan was well and truly on the right course (3rd in the league) but at Cardiff City we seem to want everything yesterday!

He identified realistic targets, they chose not to come (or their clubs did) so we move on. I am 100% happy with this, as are all my mates, but a large percentage on here would rather gamble the limited budget we have on someone Malky believes is not quite right for the club.

I don't mean to come across as an arse but i just dont get why people are in such a rush, if it takes another season so be it :ayatollah:

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:25 pm

thehumblegringo wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:Apparent bids? Poyet and our club said bids were made for noone.
Sordell himself said we bid and he nearly signed.

The wrong player could totally fck up everything.



Thank you mate
I just don't get the impatience of our fans. When Malky came in and said he had a 3 year plan, why is this not good enough for us?

If we supported Forest or Sheff Wed or Leeds (who are far bigger clubs than us)and a manager came in and said he had a 3 year plan i'm sure we'd be over the moon if after 6 months that plan was well and truly on the right course (3rd in the league) but at Cardiff City we seem to want everything yesterday!

He identified realistic targets, they chose not to come (or their clubs did) so we move on. I am 100% happy with this, as are all my mates, but a large percentage on here would rather gamble the limited budget we have on someone Malky believes is not quite right for the club.

I don't mean to come across as an arse but i just dont get why people are in such a rush, if it takes another season so be it :ayatollah:

The point i was trying to make is that there ARE players out there who could and would have easily walked into this team Kightly for one went to Watford and was a success, and there are plenty more out there. What exactly is Malkays definition of right for the team.

Re: " DO YOU AGREE WITH MALKAYS PHILOSOPHY ? "

Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:28 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
ihatealiens wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:Apparent bids? Poyet and our club said bids were made for noone.
Sordell himself said we bid and he nearly signed.

The wrong player could totally fck up everything.

Yes bids were made for Noone but no serious bid until late in the day and the same for Sordell a very late bid. If we really wanted these 2 players why didn't we put in decent bids early on?


Why were Carroll and Torres signed with minutes to spare last year?
Just how it happens sometimes.

With all due respect that was to Liverpool and Chelsea respectively. We are Cardiff City we hardly have the pull to get quality signings in last minute. Had we made serious offers earlier in the window things might have been very different. Sordell had the option of Cardiff or Bolton last minute not a surprise to me that he picked the Premier League option. Had we put a serious bid earlier in the window I bet Bolton wouldn't have put a counter bid in then. Same goes for Noone, had we shown some intent with Brighton and put a serious early bid in instead of faffing about we may have had a better chance of getting Noone as it is they thought we were taking the piss.

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:31 pm

nobby wrote:
thehumblegringo wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:Apparent bids? Poyet and our club said bids were made for noone.
Sordell himself said we bid and he nearly signed.

The wrong player could totally fck up everything.



Thank you mate
I just don't get the impatience of our fans. When Malky came in and said he had a 3 year plan, why is this not good enough for us?

If we supported Forest or Sheff Wed or Leeds (who are far bigger clubs than us)and a manager came in and said he had a 3 year plan i'm sure we'd be over the moon if after 6 months that plan was well and truly on the right course (3rd in the league) but at Cardiff City we seem to want everything yesterday!

He identified realistic targets, they chose not to come (or their clubs did) so we move on. I am 100% happy with this, as are all my mates, but a large percentage on here would rather gamble the limited budget we have on someone Malky believes is not quite right for the club.

I don't mean to come across as an arse but i just dont get why people are in such a rush, if it takes another season so be it :ayatollah:

The point i was trying to make is that there ARE players out there who could and would have easily walked into this team Kightly for one went to Watford and was a success, and there are plenty more out there. What exactly is Malkays definition of right for the team.



I cant answer that mate, perhaps malky thinks Kightly couldn't walk into this team.
One thing i can say though is that there is far more that goes into signing a player than a lot of people think on here. Maybe Kightly didn't want to live in Cardiff. Maybe Kightly thought he had more of a chance of playing every week at Watford.

The fact is i trust malky 100% and I also believe he is being 100% backed by the Malaysians

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:32 pm

How many games did we lose while Watford had knightly?

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:37 pm

2blue2handle wrote:How many games did we lose while Watford had knightly?


Thats beside the point, again i am merely making the suggestion that there were players well capable of playing in our team and were available.

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:40 pm

nobby wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:How many games did we lose while Watford had knightly?


Thats beside the point, again i am merely making the suggestion that there were players well capable of playing in our team and were available.


It's exactly the point in my opinion. It would have been a waste of money.
No loans were needed during the oct-dec time and results proves this, it would have been costly and a waste of money.

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:42 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
nobby wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:How many games did we lose while Watford had knightly?


Thats beside the point, again i am merely making the suggestion that there were players well capable of playing in our team and were available.


It's exactly the point in my opinion. It would have been a waste of money.
No loans were needed during the oct-dec time and results proves this, it would have been costly and a waste of money.


Thats in hindsight, we could say the same now then, providing our current squad keeps the good run going. :?

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:43 pm

I agree with malky , we have did all the buying under Jones we all got excited and look how much we have been disapointed in the past few years.

Why we have not learnt as we been there before we need this we need that player but it has failed Malky wants a player that gives what these lads we got now if they are not right then we do not want them.

Yes we need players and this squad is to small however I rather malky do what he is doing than doing wht we did before buy players that did bugger all for the Cardiff City shit

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:49 pm

nobby wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
nobby wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:How many games did we lose while Watford had knightly?


Thats beside the point, again i am merely making the suggestion that there were players well capable of playing in our team and were available.


It's exactly the point in my opinion. It would have been a waste of money.
No loans were needed during the oct-dec time and results proves this, it would have been costly and a waste of money.


Thats in hindsight, we could say the same now then, providing our current squad keeps the good run going. :?



Well in the previous period there was nice sign of tiredness. Loans would have pushed out the likes of ralls and mason which I believe we would have been weaker for right now.

The loan market is useable now and if needed we can use it because we didn't waste funds earlier in the season.
I'd rather a loan for the run in than around Christmas time.

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:51 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
nobby wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
nobby wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:How many games did we lose while Watford had knightly?


Thats beside the point, again i am merely making the suggestion that there were players well capable of playing in our team and were available.


It's exactly the point in my opinion. It would have been a waste of money.
No loans were needed during the oct-dec time and results proves this, it would have been costly and a waste of money.


Thats in hindsight, we could say the same now then, providing our current squad keeps the good run going. :?



Well in the previous period there was nice sign of tiredness. Loans would have pushed out the likes of ralls and mason which I believe we would have been weaker for right now.

The loan market is useable now and if needed we can use it because we didn't waste funds earlier in the season.
I'd rather a loan for the run in than around Christmas time.


Contrary to your prefrence, but both parts of the season are as important as each other so strenghth in depth would have been vitally important at both stages of the season.

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:52 pm

Dai, My only comments on this is, I believe we have needed strengthening a long time ago, Malky made noises/comments about it as well and said the same. I am still stunned we have not strengthened, but then I am a fan and whilst we are doing well, who can argue with Malky's attitude towards bringing players in, even though I do think it might come back to haunt us.

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:58 pm

Forever Blue wrote:Dai, My only comments on this is, I believe we have needed strengthening a long time ago, Malky made noises/comments about it as well and said the same. I am still stunned we have not strengthened, but then I am a fan and whilst we are doing well, who can argue with Malky's attitude towards bringing players in, even though I do think it might come back to haunt us.


Annis, we have been knocking on the door for a number of seasons now as we are all aware, now with a new manager and new team strategy and the fans continuous support we are closing in on the dream yet again. But its frustrating that we ALL can see we need just that little bit extra quality to see us over the finishing line, my only fear is that the quality may not arrive. If it does then so be it and all my words will be forgotten but until it does the worries will ALWAYS remain. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:04 pm

nobby wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Dai, My only comments on this is, I believe we have needed strengthening a long time ago, Malky made noises/comments about it as well and said the same. I am still stunned we have not strengthened, but then I am a fan and whilst we are doing well, who can argue with Malky's attitude towards bringing players in, even though I do think it might come back to haunt us.


Annis, we have been knocking on the door for a number of seasons now as we are all aware, now with a new manager and new team strategy and the fans continuous support we are closing in on the dream yet again. But its frustrating that we ALL can see we need just that little bit extra quality to see us over the finishing line, my only fear is that the quality may not arrive. If it does then so be it and all my words will be forgotten but until it does the worries will ALWAYS remain. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


I feel exactly the same as what you have just posted. :ayatollah:

Re: " DO YOU AGREE WITH MALKAYS PHILOSOPHY ? "

Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:04 pm

Someone with a big reputation would be nice, someone a top manager says will be top class, height, pace, and can play wide and upfront. Oh wait we had JET last season and because our manager rushed into it we had a poor player and wasted money.

Can't praise MM enough for waiting for those he wants.

If DJ was in charge he would have spent the entire 4m no doubt about it and it would cost us for a long time because he panicked and bought for the sake of it.

I bet tan respects MM a lot more for thinking of the club first and next time he asks the board for money I bet they won't think twice.

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:49 pm

There are a few things going on here:
Cardiff have a 26k stadium they need to fill or nearly fill
Cardiff are 1 of only 3 or 4 teams in Championship not to have been in Premier.
(We are deffo bigger than peterbro/millwall/Donny)
Cardiff want to be a big club.
Cardiffs main rivals are in the Prem.
Cardiff play Liverpool with a TV audience of millions.
(I don't know what the VT/Malaysians reaction or new/non loyal fans would be- should be get humiliated in that final)

So while us fans bicker about demanding glory, expectations and plastics and long term etc.

We actually HAVE to move forward and we need new fans to grow.

I agree with Annis that I had mid table expectations and have come
Alive to the opportunity we had but possibly may have missed this season.

I may get critiscised for being demanding when the truth is I fully support the
Foundation building that Malky has planned.
But when an opportunity comes your way in this crazy game - shouldn't you seize it?

Ps: sorry. Annis - missed collecting book - been in hospital mate

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:57 pm

my thoughts are that what if there is no one available in the malkie mold! say player like kevin phillips for exsample is available will malkie reject him because he doesnt fit mold? or do we wait and wait for that peson to be available! we all no we need two players or this season could go down the river so to speak. why waste the oppertunity we have created this season for sake of a certain kind player! if someone is available and is good enough to enhance team we should at least try get them after all we do have money to get them dont we???

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Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:12 am

If what Malky says proves to be not true, then it will come back to haunt him, personally I find it astonshing that we failed to get any off the targets highlighted in the jan transfer window, but hey, what do I know. I really am not sure what to think, as on the one hand, if Malky has done all the homework that he says he does on players, and we bid on them with decent money, and still did not get them, with all the time we put in to it, then something doesn't quite add up.

I can only conclude that Malky is covering for the board, as I dont believe we made the bids that have been reported in the press, which is a dangerous game to play, as when the shit hits the fan, then the manager takes the fall, I hope this doesn't happen to Malky, as I do believe that Malky has what it takes to be a fine manager, with us or with someone else further on in his career.