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Its a Bloody disgrace, the bloody bankers and the the bloody so called experts in economics that run this country, got us into this bloody mess.
Now the Bankers or should I say wankers, are now sitting on there yachts and on there privet beaches with big bonuses and not a care in the world, now the disabled people have to suffer for it. My god when will this country start to do something about it. If this was another country they would be mass strikes people in the streets, Marches the country would be up in arms.
But here people just go along with it , bloody pathetic ! For Christ sake stand up to them. They don't give a shit about ordinary people ,and even less about people with a disability.

It seems that the Government are trying to remove the 'virtually unable to walk' part of the mobility scheme.

Anyone who is wheelchair bound will still get the enhanced mobility component of the new Personal Independent Payment i.e. a mobility car or £51.40 p/w, but many thousands who used to qualify for higher rate mobility through 'virtually unable to walk' will now only get what is called 'the standard rate' of PIP.

Until we know what this 'standard rate' is (I suspect it will be the same as the current lower mobility £19.55) then it is hard to judge how badly these people are being affected.

Disabled people are easy targets and the Government was always going to go after these people to save a few bob so that they can look after their friends in the City of London.

We know the Tories are the nasty party and it really is no surprise they are doing this, however where are the Lib Dems on this? A progressive party my arse and I hope they are wiped from the face of politics at the next election.

This will force some people to try to walk and if they fall in there attempt and breaks other bones or could even be more serious injury.
Also there are people who by walking could make there conditions worse in the long run. It could put more pressure on them, and also onto there hearts then what ? No sorry these Tories and the shit that votes for them and defends there actions don't give a shit, they need to get some kind of respect for people.

Yes same old Tory's choosing the easy route of picking on the poorest people in our society. If you look at every Tory goevernment, they all do the same thing. Go back to the 1930's and Baldwin. They all come in with their cut backs that are always "totally necessary". They blame everyone one else but never take responsiblity themselves for anything. They are very quick at knocking us up for cut backs, yet they always manage to leave the rich alone, and in fact make them richer at the same time.

The best part is they beat you with a stick for 4 years only to stop about 12 months before an election. The masses then are so thankful that they stopped beating us that they vote them back in. Then they start all over again.
Have you seen Life of Brian? There's a bloke chained to the wall in the jail and he's greatful and loves the Romans just because they turned him the right way up on the wall.!!! And he's greatful to be let down for a few minutes everyday. "Bloody good race, the Romans".... These working class Tory voters are exactly like that guy... too f*cking dull for their own good.

soul less ,torries. power to the people eh?

Yes same old Tory's choosing the easy route of picking on the poorest people in our society. If you look at every Tory goevernment, they all do the same thing. Go back to the 1930's and Baldwin. They all come in with their cut backs that are always "totally necessary". They blame everyone one else but never take responsiblity themselves for anything. They are very quick at knocking us up for cut backs, yet they always manage to leave the rich alone, and in fact make them richer at the same time.

The best part is they beat you with a stick for 4 years only to stop about 12 months before an election. The masses then are so thankful that they stopped beating us that they vote them back in. Then they start all over again.
Have you seen Life of Brian? There's a bloke chained to the wall in the jail and he's greatful and loves the Romans just because they turned him the right way up on the wall.!!! And he's greatful to be let down for a few minutes everyday. "Bloody good race, the Romans".... These working class Tory voters are exactly like that guy... too f*cking dull for their own good.

Yes what have the torys ever done for me ? Well they gave us Thatcher ! They give us Edward Heath , he could play a piano and sail a boat . They give us Norman Tebbit , he told everyone to get on there bikes, and took a chaffer driven Jaguar to the houese of Parliament only around the corner.

Do they stop the Scroungers ? No they fooking dont !! Do they hit the real Disabled ? All the fooking time. My Wife finds it extremely hard to walk most days and rarely leaves the house unless i am with her. Very bad dizzy spells means it is dangerous for her to go out on her own. And she has got turned down flat. We are appealing but they hit the disabled hard as many are just to unwell to hit back.

Do they stop the Scroungers ? No they fooking dont !! Do they hit the real Disabled ? All the fooking time. My Wife finds it extremely hard to walk most days and rarely leaves the house unless i am with her. Very bad dizzy spells means it is dangerous for her to go out on her own. And she has got turned down flat. We are appealing but they hit the disabled hard as many are just to unwell to hit back.

Try this site http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk they provide brilliant how to fill out DLA form information sheets to download if you are a member, about £17 for a non professional. It's a really good site they also provide training for some welfare rights departments.
Also when they take away the middle rate care allowance there are some people who will lose their Severe Disability Payment as well in all about £70 a week plus I'm not sure how it effects Carers Allowance. It is also starting to sound like the new "Unified Benefit" is potentially going to be a nightmare.

Do they stop the Scroungers ? No they fooking dont !! Do they hit the real Disabled ? All the fooking time. My Wife finds it extremely hard to walk most days and rarely leaves the house unless i am with her. Very bad dizzy spells means it is dangerous for her to go out on her own. And she has got turned down flat. We are appealing but they hit the disabled hard as many are just to unwell to hit back.

Try this site http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk they provide brilliant how to fill out DLA form information sheets to download if you are a member, about £17 for a non professional. It's a really good site they also provide training for some welfare rights departments.
Also when they take away the middle rate care allowance there are some people who will lose their Severe Disability Payment as well in all about £70 a week plus I'm not sure how it effects Carers Allowance. It is also starting to sound like the new "Unified Benefit" is potentially going to be a nightmare.

We are now working with CAB and they do a brilliant job

Its a Bloody disgrace, the bloody bankers and the the bloody so called experts in economics that run this country, got us into this bloody mess.
Now the Bankers or should I say wankers, are now sitting on there yachts and on there privet beaches with big bonuses and not a care in the world, now the disabled people have to suffer for it. My god when will this country start to do something about it. If this was another country they would be mass strikes people in the streets, Marches the country would be up in arms.
But here people just go along with it , bloody pathetic ! For Christ sake stand up to them. They don't give a shit about ordinary people ,and even less about people with a disability.

The labour government and their reckless spending got us into this mess!! Do you ever have a day off from standing on your "i hate the tories" soap box??!!

Do they stop the Scroungers ? No they fooking dont !! Do they hit the real Disabled ? All the fooking time. My Wife finds it extremely hard to walk most days and rarely leaves the house unless i am with her. Very bad dizzy spells means it is dangerous for her to go out on her own. And she has got turned down flat. We are appealing but they hit the disabled hard as many are just to unwell to hit back.

The problem with stopping the scroungers is that it takes around the same amount of money to find and remove benefit cheats as they save from not having to pay out to them.

Its a Bloody disgrace, the bloody bankers and the the bloody so called experts in economics that run this country, got us into this bloody mess.
Now the Bankers or should I say wankers, are now sitting on there yachts and on there privet beaches with big bonuses and not a care in the world, now the disabled people have to suffer for it. My god when will this country start to do something about it. If this was another country they would be mass strikes people in the streets, Marches the country would be up in arms.
But here people just go along with it , bloody pathetic ! For Christ sake stand up to them. They don't give a shit about ordinary people ,and even less about people with a disability.

The labour government and their reckless spending got us into this mess!! Do you ever have a day off from standing on your "i hate the tories" soap box??!!

Bit of myth that.

It was the reckless gambling of the British Banks that got us into a financial mess. To stop the banking system from collapsing the Labour Government had to borrowing billions of pounds to re-capitalise the Banks and in the case of RBS, Northern Rock and LloydsTSB to nationalise them.

If the Tories had been in power at the time they would have done exactly the same. The other argument is that Labour failed to regulate the Banks properly. That is true but anyone who really believes they would have been better regulated under a Tory Government is totally deluded.

My Wife finds it extremely hard to walk most days and rarely leaves the house unless i am with her. Very bad dizzy spells means it is dangerous for her to go out on her own. And she has got turned down flat. We are appealing but they hit the disabled hard as many are just to unwell to hit back.

That is shocking. From what you have discribed your wife should get at least the lower rate mobility and middle (possibly higher) rate care allowance.

Glad to here you are appealling and remember 40% of appeals are successful

My Wife finds it extremely hard to walk most days and rarely leaves the house unless i am with her. Very bad dizzy spells means it is dangerous for her to go out on her own. And she has got turned down flat. We are appealing but they hit the disabled hard as many are just to unwell to hit back.

That is shocking. From what you have discribed your wife should get at least the lower rate mobility and middle (possibly higher) rate care allowance.

Glad to here you are appealling and remember 40% of appeals are successful

The vast majority of new cases are automatically turned down now it seems. Most claims now are only made possible by appeal, which btw can take 2-3 years. The people who test you are paid if they turn you down so it's in their interest to do just that. It's interesting as well that the appeals people are not as independant as they would like you to believe. Thing is though a lot of those turned down are going to lawyers who then fight the case. As we know these lawyers don't do it for nothing so in the end whatever the government save more than then goes to the lawyers.
They did promise to pick on the older claims that are not genuine but I've not seen any evidence of that. They are only picking on the new genuine claims. Probably because they are easier. If you stop any new claims then through natural wastage the number of claims will go down and you don't have to do anything for that to happen.

The vast majority of new cases are automatically turned down now it seems. Most claims now are only made possible by appeal, which btw can take 2-3 years. The people who test you are paid if they turn you down so it's in their interest to do just that. It's interesting as well that the appeals people are not as independant as they would like you to believe. Thing is though a lot of those turned down are going to lawyers who then fight the case. As we know these lawyers don't do it for nothing so in the end whatever the government save more than then goes to the lawyers.
They did promise to pick on the older claims that are not genuine but I've not seen any evidence of that. They are only picking on the new genuine claims. Probably because they are easier. If you stop any new claims then through natural wastage the number of claims will go down and you don't have to do anything for that to happen.

Agreed Berwyn my experience when I have helped with applications is that the initial claim is refused automatically. I know this because the reasons given for refusal have no bearing on the case involved and the DWP refusal (as you said) is to discourage people and cut back on applications.

I also agree with the ATOS testing which is comical. A friend of mine was tested last October and not only have ATOS lost the report, they have lost the Doctor who tested him The whole disability industry is in a mess and did need clearing up, the problem is this Tory Government (it is a Tory Government because the Lib Dems are irrelevant) have done nothing but make things ten times worse.

We made sure we made a copy of our claim form we filled in. They sent a Doctor round to asses my Wife. But they decided on not contacting my Wife's Consultant, MS Nurse, or Doctor, then made a medical judgement on her Saying she can walk without discomfort and control her Dizzy spells What medical right did they have to say that ? they have never seen her being helped to Bed because she could barely put one foot in front of the other, and they have not seen her collapsing in the street. Or they have not seen her have a dizzy spell in a shop when i was waiting outside and everyone looking at her in disgust because they thought she was Drunk !!
Damn right we are appealing. We are getting letters together, But as i said before when you see an 18 year old football player driving around bold as brass in a mobility Car it does your fooking head in. And the Parents and Grandparents have conned it for him to have this vehicle and believe me they have every angle sown up, so if they get dobbed in they will be water tight !! it makes you fooking tamping. And to hear his old Man bragging about his Son having a brand new Car is f*cking disgusting

Yes same old Tory's choosing the easy route of picking on the poorest people in our society. If you look at every Tory goevernment, they all do the same thing. Go back to the 1930's and Baldwin. They all come in with their cut backs that are always "totally necessary". They blame everyone one else but never take responsiblity themselves for anything. They are very quick at knocking us up for cut backs, yet they always manage to leave the rich alone, and in fact make them richer at the same time.

The best part is they beat you with a stick for 4 years only to stop about 12 months before an election. The masses then are so thankful that they stopped beating us that they vote them back in. Then they start all over again.
Have you seen Life of Brian? There's a bloke chained to the wall in the jail and he's greatful and loves the Romans just because they turned him the right way up on the wall.!!! And he's greatful to be let down for a few minutes everyday. "Bloody good race, the Romans".... These working class Tory voters are exactly like that guy... too f*cking dull for their own good.

Totally agree with everything you say. We have first hand experience of this uncompassionate government because my son is severely disabled. You have to fight for everything...and if you choose to care for your own severely disabled family members (like we do) god help you......you are condemned to a life of poverty and struggle. Basically the state doesn't give a f*ck.

Everyone is getting turned down 1st time for almost all discretionary benefits. Thing is the people who need these things are the ones who won't appeal they think that the decision MUST be right and just grin and bear it, whereas the ones who know how to blag the system - the ones the various governments are trying to stop claiming know exactly what to say and do to get things. Remember also the ESA medical and the software that they use was developed by ATOS, the people who carry out the medicals who aren't exactly independent. I have been to a number of medicals and when they have been turned down on reading the report wondered if it was about the same one I went to.

Do they stop the Scroungers ? No they fooking dont !! Do they hit the real Disabled ? All the fooking time. My Wife finds it extremely hard to walk most days and rarely leaves the house unless i am with her. Very bad dizzy spells means it is dangerous for her to go out on her own. And she has got turned down flat. We are appealing but they hit the disabled hard as many are just to unwell to hit back.

Steve, you know I can empathise with you on this one!!

The Government are hitting the 'easy targets' and the saddest thing is the New Tories (OOPS, I mean the New Labour Party ) are no better themselves. Has anyone yet heard them say "We will undo the Tory wrongs" when/if we get back into power??

No!! They'll just do nothing but blame the Tories as if that was ok then!!

No!! They'll just do nothing but blame the Tories as if that was ok then!!

This is Labour Policy anyway brought in by James Purnell in the Brown years

We shouldn't be blaming Labour or the Tories, but The ones that had no right to have ever been on Mobility benefit in the 1st place, but have milked it for years with nothing at all wrong with them at all , It even got to the point of having fit and healthy kids leaving school and going straight on the sick to join their mum and dad ; Sadly those lot which never have and never will do a official days work in their life( but are really able too ) never paid any pay tax into the system, have made sure the real needy will suffer and classed the same as those low life's

That's the trouble now , thanks the wholesale abuse of the system meant the moment anyone that is on the sick everyone in world thought/thinks they're pulling a fast one and there's nothing wrong with them - Sadly this isn't the case and I fell so sorry for the genuine ones that are classed as in the same bracket

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -year.html

Do they stop the Scroungers ? No they fooking dont !! Do they hit the real Disabled ? All the fooking time. My Wife finds it extremely hard to walk most days and rarely leaves the house unless i am with her. Very bad dizzy spells means it is dangerous for her to go out on her own. And she has got turned down flat. We are appealing but they hit the disabled hard as many are just to unwell to hit back.

The problem with stopping the scroungers is that it takes around the same amount of money to find and remove benefit cheats as they save from not having to pay out to them.[/qu

It can be, but they get it back cos they can take away things they have bought while on benifit and sell it, that includes property.

Its a Bloody disgrace, the bloody bankers and the the bloody so called experts in economics that run this country, got us into this bloody mess.
Now the Bankers or should I say wankers, are now sitting on there yachts and on there privet beaches with big bonuses and not a care in the world, now the disabled people have to suffer for it. My god when will this country start to do something about it. If this was another country they would be mass strikes people in the streets, Marches the country would be up in arms.
But here people just go along with it , bloody pathetic ! For Christ sake stand up to them. They don't give a shit about ordinary people ,and even less about people with a disability.

The labour government and their reckless spending got us into this mess!! Do you ever have a day off from standing on your "i hate the tories" soap box??!!

That is the kind of response that a Tory would give, blame ours for something you plan to do. It maybe the Labour party that got us into this mess. But you don't take from the most fragile of the public, that needs the help. But yes I see you do if your a Tory ! Get people like Tescos to pay council tax and get money back that way Also, or do the CEO of these companys Vote tory with there 6mill a year.

Its a Bloody disgrace, the bloody bankers and the the bloody so called experts in economics that run this country, got us into this bloody mess.
Now the Bankers or should I say wankers, are now sitting on there yachts and on there privet beaches with big bonuses and not a care in the world, now the disabled people have to suffer for it. My god when will this country start to do something about it. If this was another country they would be mass strikes people in the streets, Marches the country would be up in arms.
But here people just go along with it , bloody pathetic ! For Christ sake stand up to them. They don't give a shit about ordinary people ,and even less about people with a disability.

The labour government and their reckless spending got us into this mess!! Do you ever have a day off from standing on your "i hate the tories" soap box??!!

If i remember correctly, wasn't it the torys that started telling people to go on diabillity benefit rather than unemployment benefit to make the unemployment figures go down?

Its a Bloody disgrace, the bloody bankers and the the bloody so called experts in economics that run this country, got us into this bloody mess.
Now the Bankers or should I say wankers, are now sitting on there yachts and on there privet beaches with big bonuses and not a care in the world, now the disabled people have to suffer for it. My god when will this country start to do something about it. If this was another country they would be mass strikes people in the streets, Marches the country would be up in arms.
But here people just go along with it , bloody pathetic ! For Christ sake stand up to them. They don't give a shit about ordinary people ,and even less about people with a disability.

The labour government and their reckless spending got us into this mess!! Do you ever have a day off from standing on your "i hate the tories" soap box??!!

If i remember correctly, wasn't it the torys that started telling people to go on diabillity benefit rather than unemployment benefit to make the unemployment figures go down?

Im really not sure of that sorry, but it do sound like both Labour and torys would do .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089118/More-2bn-benefits-paid-foreigners-year.html

I'm not going to pollute my screen with that vile newspaper by clicking that link, so I don't know what that Hitler supporting Nazi paper has to say on the issue. But I can guess.

What they always fail to grasp is the situation people find themselves in are often forced upon them by others in the first place. You take this so called big benefit scam that they harp on about. It was the Tory goevernment who took the jobs away, then to make the unemployment figures look better they forced people on to sickness benefits.
So if fit people are on sickness benefits it's only because they were forced that way. These same people protested and fought to keep their jobs. Not one of them phoned in sick telling the boss "I'm not going out to work any more, I'm going to scam the benefits instead." Every single one of them wanted to keep their jobs. The governments took that away from them against their protests, so it's hardly fair for Tory scum to now complain about it. What the Tory's need to do, is rather than just spend every waking moment blaming every fucker esle, is actually get off their arses and create some jobs for people to go out to. That's how you cure benefit cheating.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089118/More-2bn-benefits-paid-foreigners-year.html

I'm not going to pollute my screen with that vile newspaper by clicking that link, so I don't know what that Hitler supporting Nazi paper has to say on the issue. But I can guess.

What they always fail to grasp is the situation people find themselves in are often forced upon them by others in the first place. You take this so called big benefit scam that they harp on about. It was the Tory goevernment who took the jobs away, then to make the unemployment figures look better they forced people on to sickness benefits.
So if fit people are on sickness benefits it's only because they were forced that way. These same people protested and fought to keep their jobs. Not one of them phoned in sick telling the boss "I'm not going out to work any more, I'm going to scam the benefits instead." Every single one of them wanted to keep their jobs. The governments took that away from them against their protests, so it's hardly fair for Tory scum to now complain about it. What the Tory's need to do, is rather than just spend every waking moment blaming every fucker esle, is actually get off their arses and create some jobs for people to go out to. That's how you cure benefit cheating.

Berwyn, I fully accept your argument that during the 1980's & 90's both Tory and Labour Government's were happy for the unemployed to be migrated to sickness benefit so that they could manipulate the unemployment figures. Therefore like you I find it abhorent that the present Con-Dem Government is now harassing the long term sick who are now in their 50's and 60's to take work that they are simply incapable of or using them again to save money by cutting their benefits by moving them onto JSA.

It is time for the Government to take responsibility for this lost generation and understand it is a problem THEY created 20 or 30 years ago.