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" SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:44 pm

" SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET HE GIVES THE MURDERER A 3 YEARS SENTENCE " :shock: :evil: :evil:

Read below, it is so sad reading Mikey's Wife statement. :cry:

21 December 2011


Ian Mytton jailed for Wembley manslaughter of Wales fan Michael Dye

Michael Dye was a long-time Cardiff City fan


Man admits Wembley match killing

A man has been jailed for three years for the manslaughter of Wales football fan Michael Dye before September's England-Wales Euro 2012 qualifier.

Cardiff City fan Mr Dye, 44, suffered a fractured skull after a single "sickening" punch and died in hospital after being found outside Wembley.

England fan Ian Mytton, of Redditch, Worcestershire, pleaded guilty at the Old Bailey via video link last month.

Mytton, 41, also received a six-year ban from football.

He will serve half of his sentence before being released on licence.

In a statement read in court, the victim's wife Nathalie Dye, who wiped tears from her eyes throughout the sentencing, said: "The man who caused Mike's death might as well have killed me that night.

"Part of me died alongside Mike.

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The force of that punch was such that it was something I will never forget”

"The only thing to look forward to is being with my darling husband once again."

She added: "Since I lost my wonderful husband my world has been crushed. It has been a living hell.

"I am unable to eat for fear of having a moment of enjoyment without my husband."

Prosecutor Philip Bennetts QC said Mrs Dye had shed a lot of weight and now weighs seven stone.

"I suffer from anxiety attacks and I have had to move house," she said.

Mrs Dye said her husband "was the ideal hero and role model" to his children.

"Even the dog still sleeps in the last jumper Mike was wearing," she added.

Mr Dye's sister, Katherine Dye, said: "I can never forget the day me and my parents were taken to the mortuary to identify his body.


It is a tragedy, most of all for the family and friends of Michael Dye”

"It is the last thing I see at night."

Mr Dye, a father-of-three, was found injured outside Wembley's Gate C, before the match, which England won 1-0 on 6 September.

CCTV footage showed Mytton approaching Mr Dye on a concourse outside the stadium and punching him once at 19:20 BST - about 25 minutes before kick-off - and walking away.

Prosecutor Mr Bennetts said one eyewitness described the punch as "sickening".

"It was something you would see in a boxing ring," said the witness.

"As a football fan I have seen many scuffles but the force of that punch was such that it was something I will never forget."

'Heartbreaking'
Mr Dye was taken to Northwick Park Hospital in north-west London with blunt force trauma to the back of his head, but died a short time later.

Mytton, who had drunk five pints of lager on the day and was holding a can of cider before he punched Mr Dye, had admitted manslaughter last month and wept in court as he was sentenced.

Judge Stephen Kramer said: "As you said in your letter to me - 'the two people, Michael Dye and myself were just going to a football match, for one of us to lose his life and for one of us to end up in prison is heartbreaking' - and I would agree with that."

The judge added: "It is a tragedy, most of all for the family and friends of Michael Dye.

"They have lost a husband, a brother, a father and a friend."

He described the attack as unprovoked and the force of the blow as considerable, adding that Mr Dye was "pole-axed" from the force of the punch and fell backwards without trying to stop himself, hitting his head on the ground and suffering massive brain damage.

Mr Dye - widely known as Mikey - from Ely, Cardiff, worked as a stonemason for the city council.

He was a long-time Bluebirds fan who wrote about the club on the Cardiff City Forum website.

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:54 pm

Annis, you know enough people, there must be some way we can fight this injustice. Even though it saddens the heart there must be a way we can stand up and say "hang on a minute....we're not taking this crap no more".

I just left a message with my local Councillor in Christchurch.....he may ignore me at his peril, as I am so annoyed by the injustice of our system... It went along the lines of "if you can't help, give me the number of my local MP and I'll take it from there".

Feelings go out to Mikey's family....bless them all.

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:57 pm

TheHangedMan wrote:Annis, you know enough people, there must be some way we can fight this injustice. Even though it saddens the heart there must be a way we can stand up and say "hang on a minute....we're not taking this crap no more".

I just left a message with my local Councillor in Christchurch.....he may ignore me at his peril, as I am so annoyed by the injustice of our system... It went along the lines of "if you can't help, give me the number of my local MP and I'll take it from there".

Feelings go out to Mikey's family....bless them all.



Mikey's family say they will appeal and if they do, I will help them in every way I can.
Yes contacting Councillors/MP's might help. :ayatollah:

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:07 pm

Judge Stephen Kramer said: "As you said in your letter to me - 'the two people, Michael Dye and myself were just going to a football match, for one of us to lose his life and for one of us to end up in prison is heartbreaking' - and I would agree with that."

Can somebody please explain that bit to me?

Was that the judge to Mytton??

Is the Judge off his f*cking nut or what?...

"yeh sorry mate, you were just going to a game and fancied chinning someone, we
all do it!"... is that what he means???

Mistrial. c**t.

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:07 pm

Can't help thinking that its an amazing coincidence that the FA finally decided to act on the Suarez case and announce the next step in the Terry case on the same day the verdict came out.
Anyone could be forgiven for thinking they were trying to cover things up, couldnt they?

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:12 pm

The justice system is fucked up , i know few lads that went down this week after a nasty attack on another lad and got 3 and half years ,this man killed someone and only got 3

http://www.caerphillyobserver.co.uk/new ... r-beating/

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:13 pm

exactly nothing on sky news John Terry is on there and evra story but a killer getting away with murder can not be found.

This is why there is no respect the british law they do not deserve it this is terrible my thoughts are with the family who
will be punnished for the rest of their lives and that lowlife scum who has caused this has 18 months how the hell is that a punnishment

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:16 pm

This descision is a total and utter insult. I'm completly disgusted by this verdict.

I can not begin to comprehend how mike's family and friends must be feeling.

Something needs to be done about this injustice.

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:25 pm

3 years for a life. Wales v England

18 months for throwing a Cone Chelsea v Cardiff
Something is seriously wrong in our country if judges are handing out these sort of sentences !! This isn't justice !!

The Govt has to sort this out,once and for all.

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:40 pm

griff105 wrote:Can't help thinking that its an amazing coincidence that the FA finally decided to act on the Suarez case and announce the next step in the Terry case on the same day the verdict came out.
Anyone could be forgiven for thinking they were trying to cover things up, couldnt they?


A Uruguayan mixed race man calls a black Frenchman a racist name, that's all you here about.

An English man attacks and kills a Welshman outside a football ground, and is sentenced today, and this is the first I've heard about it, hardly a mention anywhere else???

Unbelievable.....

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:42 pm

Disgusting decision.

This gutless c**t will serve 18 months in prison and 6 years out of a football ground. It makes my blood boil and only goes to further reinforce my opinion that the British "justice" system is nothing more than a farce! :evil:

Also, had this incident been the other way around (Wales fan killing an England fan) the BBC and SSN would be all over it today.

My thoughts are with the Dye family. What they must be thinking and feeling today I can't imagine.

:ayatollah:

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:44 pm

I find the BBC welsh news reporting of this case inadequate, no one asking any questions, length of sentence or banning order.
I said on another thread, if we get to the Carling Cup Final, we should boycott Wembley has a form of protest, that would hopefully achieve a lot publicity and hit the FA where it hurts most in the pocket. :twisted:

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:49 pm

brick1964 wrote:I find the BBC welsh news reporting of this case inadequate, no one asking any questions, length of sentence or banning order.
I said on another thread, if we get to the Carling Cup Final, we should boycott Wembley has a form of protest, that would hopefully achieve a lot publicity and hit the FA where it hurts most in the pocket. :twisted:


what have the FA done wrong exactly?

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:55 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:
brick1964 wrote:I find the BBC welsh news reporting of this case inadequate, no one asking any questions, length of sentence or banning order.
I said on another thread, if we get to the Carling Cup Final, we should boycott Wembley has a form of protest, that would hopefully achieve a lot publicity and hit the FA where it hurts most in the pocket. :twisted:


what have the FA done wrong exactly?

They haven't come out and said no it wasn't a welsh on welsh attack for starters Craig.

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:59 pm

So annoying to hear this news and yet so sad at the same time. :(

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:05 pm

brick1964 wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:
brick1964 wrote:I find the BBC welsh news reporting of this case inadequate, no one asking any questions, length of sentence or banning order.
I said on another thread, if we get to the Carling Cup Final, we should boycott Wembley has a form of protest, that would hopefully achieve a lot publicity and hit the FA where it hurts most in the pocket. :twisted:


what have the FA done wrong exactly?

They haven't come out and said no it wasn't a welsh on welsh attack for starters Craig.


its got nothing to do with the FA, it was a police matter and they would have to stay out of it, just like they have to stay out of the John Terry situation. If police are dealing any comment made publicly by a third party can be said to influence any trial process.

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:11 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:
brick1964 wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:
brick1964 wrote:I find the BBC welsh news reporting of this case inadequate, no one asking any questions, length of sentence or banning order.
I said on another thread, if we get to the Carling Cup Final, we should boycott Wembley has a form of protest, that would hopefully achieve a lot publicity and hit the FA where it hurts most in the pocket. :twisted:


what have the FA done wrong exactly?

They haven't come out and said no it wasn't a welsh on welsh attack for starters Craig.


its got nothing to do with the FA, it was a police matter and they would have to stay out of it, just like they have to stay out of the John Terry situation. If police are dealing any comment made publicly by a third party can be said to influence any trial process.


The FA knew the trial was likely to end today and they chose to announce the Suarez news today, plus they would of known the Terry news would break today.

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:14 pm

Sick joke that sentence

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:16 pm

griff105 wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:
brick1964 wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:
brick1964 wrote:I find the BBC welsh news reporting of this case inadequate, no one asking any questions, length of sentence or banning order.
I said on another thread, if we get to the Carling Cup Final, we should boycott Wembley has a form of protest, that would hopefully achieve a lot publicity and hit the FA where it hurts most in the pocket. :twisted:


what have the FA done wrong exactly?

They haven't come out and said no it wasn't a welsh on welsh attack for starters Craig.


its got nothing to do with the FA, it was a police matter and they would have to stay out of it, just like they have to stay out of the John Terry situation. If police are dealing any comment made publicly by a third party can be said to influence any trial process.


The FA knew the trial was likely to end today and they chose to announce the Suarez news today, plus they would of known the Terry news would break today.


The CPS broke the Terry news, Suarez was yesterday and judged by a independent panel. Neither of these are anything to do with the FA....blame the judge and justice system.

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:19 pm

Annis I am disgusted by the sentancedgiven to Ian Mytton today and I have just sent an e-mail to David Cameron regarding my feelings on the sentance.


Prime Minister;

Firstly I would like to take the opportunity to wish you and your family a Merry Christmas.

I am writing this evening to express my disappointment at the sentance passed today on Mr Ian Mytton for the manslaughter of Mr Michael Dye at Wembley Stadium in September.

It has been clearly established through both the police investigation and subsequent court case that Mr Dye was the innocent victim of an act of extreme brutality which resulted in his death.

To hear that our courts think it is a suitable punishment to sentance Mr Mytton to 3 years, with a minimum term of 18 months is quite frankly offensive.

My Dye, a much loved husband and father, went to a football match to watch his National team and never returned because of the brutal act of a drunken thug.

How can any reasonable person believe that 18 months is a suitable punishment for such a vile act.

In my opinion something is seriously wrong with our justice system if this sentance is considered acceptable.



https://email.number10.gov.uk/Contact.aspx

If anyone else feels the same why not send a e-mail to the Prime Minster he is the guy ultimately responsible for goverance of the criminal justice system in this country. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:38 pm

Cant believe this! :(

Sickening!

His family shouldnt have to go through an appeal. The correct sentence should have been handed out straight away.
I had little faith in our justice system before. I have none whatsoever now.

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:43 pm

castleblue wrote:Annis I am disgusted by the sentancedgiven to Ian Mytton today and I have just sent an e-mail to David Cameron regarding my feelings on the sentance.


Prime Minister;

Firstly I would like to take the opportunity to wish you and your family a Merry Christmas.

I am writing this evening to express my disappointment at the sentance passed today on Mr Ian Mytton for the manslaughter of Mr Michael Dye at Wembley Stadium in September.

It has been clearly established through both the police investigation and subsequent court case that Mr Dye was the innocent victim of an act of extreme brutality which resulted in his death.

To hear that our courts think it is a suitable punishment to sentance Mr Mytton to 3 years, with a minimum term of 18 months is quite frankly offensive.

My Dye, a much loved husband and father, went to a football match to watch his National team and never returned because of the brutal act of a drunken thug.

How can any reasonable person believe that 18 months is a suitable punishment for such a vile act.

In my opinion something is seriously wrong with our justice system if this sentance is considered acceptable.



https://email.number10.gov.uk/Contact.aspx

If anyone else feels the same why not send a e-mail to the Prime Minster he is the guy ultimately responsible for goverance of the criminal justice system in this country. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Thanks Gary, We can always depend on you for support :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:12 pm

what an absolute disgrace the sentance given it just proves the justice system is useless.

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:29 pm

Now I totally believe that if you take another's life your punishment should be severe. Unfortunately the system sees it different. I do not know enough about the case to comment too much but I can tell you about a cpl of similar incidents I know about.

Guy dies from a single blow to the head which knocks him down and the fall kills him. His skull is said to be thin and therefore the guy gets 9 months because of these things, serves 4.5 months. Doesn't seem fair for taking anothers life. I can tell you though that for the last 25 years this guy has had to deal with what he did, as he did not go out to kill anyone.

The other case is similar but the guy got found not guilty. Didn't take a plee bargain and walked away from it. He later hung himself as he couldn't deal with what he had done.

Please do not think I am defending this guy as my belief is if your willing to hit someone your must be prepared for the worst. I hope he suffers for what he did, but the justice system is flawed and IMO because of all the human rights bollox.

I do think that it has been dealt with and his family and friends need to grieve. I know pushing things is a way to vent your frustrations, but don't set yourself up for a fall.

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:43 pm

Forever Blue wrote:3 years for a life. Wales v England

18 months for throwing a Cone Chelsea v Cardiff
Something is seriously wrong in our country if judges are handing out these sort of sentences !! This isn't justice !!

The Govt has to sort this out,once and for all.

something is so wrong with our justice system,this goes to show what a farce it is :( :( :(

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:43 pm

This is absolutely shocking, what sort of message does this send out?

OK, thugs don't worry about walking up to a person on the street and punching them as hard as you can, if they die you'll only get 18 months in the nick then out with a little tag!!

A totally unprovoked attack where a man loses his life, the tw*t sends a letter to the judge saying he's sorry and practically gets off, unbelievable.

The fact that it happened at a football match usually means that sentances are vastly increased so if the judge took this into account what the hell would the tw*t have got if it happened in a supermarket car park for example, a 100 quid fine or something!!

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:50 am

Unfortunately the whole justice system is fucked up, look at the sentences they give to rapist, paedophiles, recurrent offenders etc... it's a complete Joke... no deterent should have got much longer jail term and a life football ban. :(

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:43 am

he Justice system in the UK has been a laughing stock period: I'v been on the receiving end of a ridicules sentence, And have also been fortunate in having a decent Wig that saw the bigger picture as one would say, None the less I went down when I shouldn't have, And walked free with an odd's on. One of the boy's had a 12-14yr sentence on a (conspiracy) Witch basically means for fek'all other than a conversation. Therese people that have had 4-5yrs for having a fantastic night out along with 10-20thousand other Ravers and forgotten about a the couple of goodies given to them jurying the evening here and there only to be stopped on a routine by police and the 4 pill's They were keeping for the next bash event cost Him 13 months prison for each pill, I ain't condoning pill's, I just cant except that He got 2yrs more than Ian Mytton. The judicial system here needs some form of balance between the (intent and circumstantial). On Ian Mytton sentence, I Know His sentence was favourable to say the least, but how ever big or small myttons sentence unfortunately leaves the same out come, We all know some one or somebody that knows somebody that's done a long sentence for serious ABH to Murder, Yet some guy's actually expect a pat on the back and They actually roam about like They fek'ng achieved something , It's what prison does to some.But that small sentence Mytton got will cause Him more grief and contempt from in mates doing a lot longer for a lot less, His world is fucked up and his sentence aint long enough to put it all behind him, and too short not to always and for ever be known as that Murderer in the local butchers, A small sentence of hell may well serve better than a long holiday that produces another big i AM. My final note. Grief is a horrendous and endurable nightmare, People Will mean well by trying to do something about myttons sentence but it could go on for years prolonging the hell of grief. Bless

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:21 am

Well said everyone, including Leigh just now.

I couldn't post yesterday, I was too angry. I had some texts last night from Nat's brother, Marc. He was the one seen coming out of court with Nat on the telly.

The family are obviously devastated, as anyone would be when you compare this to similar cases and their sentences, as we all have.

I'm staggered. I don't know what else to say.

Re: " SO EVEN THE JUDGE SAYS THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED,YET

Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:03 pm

A rioter got 6 years this morning, that C***t got 3 years for manslaughter, be out in 18 months incl. the 100 days he already did. Its beyond me :?: :?: R.I.P Mike