" VERY INTERESTING BY CAMERON "

First he stands up to Europe.

Then he says this Hmm



16 December 2011 Last updated at 17:48 BBC.

David Cameron says the UK is a Christian country

David Cameron called himself a "committed" but "vaguely practising" Christian


Cameron speaks of Christian faith
David Cameron has said the UK is a Christian country "and we should not be afraid to say so".

In a speech in Oxford on the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible, the prime minister called for a revival of traditional Christian values to counter Britain's "moral collapse".

He said "live and let live" had too often become "do what you please".

The PM said it was wrong to suggest that standing up for Christianity was "somehow doing down other faiths".

Describing himself as a "committed" but only "vaguely practising" Christian, the PM admitted he was "full of doubts" about big theological issues.

'Don't do God'
But he staunchly defended the role of religion in politics and said the Bible in particular was crucial to British values.

"We are a Christian country and we should not be afraid to say so," he told the audience at Christ Church.

"Let me be clear: I am not in any way saying that to have another faith - or no faith - is somehow wrong.

"I know and fully respect that many people in this country do not have a religion.

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The tolerance that Christianity demands of our society provides greater space for other religious faiths too”

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"And I am also incredibly proud that Britain is home to many different faith communities, who do so much to make our country stronger.

"But what I am saying is that the Bible has helped to give Britain a set of values and morals which make Britain what it is today."

Mr Cameron said people often argued that "politicians shouldn't 'do God'" - a reference to a comment famously made by former No 10 spin doctor Alistair Campbell when Tony Blair was asked about his religion.

"If by that they mean we shouldn't try to claim a direct line to God for one particular political party, they could not be more right," the PM said.

"But we shouldn't let our caution about that stand in the way of recognising both what our faith communities bring to our country, and also just how incredibly important faith is to so many people in Britain."

Mr Cameron also said it was "easier for people to believe and practise other faiths when Britain has confidence in its Christian identity".

"Many people tell me it is much easier to be Jewish or Muslim here in Britain than it is in a secular country like France," he said.

"Why? Because the tolerance that Christianity demands of our society provides greater space for other religious faiths too.

"And because many of the values of a Christian country are shared by people of all faiths and indeed by people of no faith at all."

I'm not a bloody christian. I'm sorry but you can't choose a country's religion. The UK is multi-cultural meaning there are muslims, christians, jews, aetheists, scientologists bla bla bla.

Religion always creates interesting debates. It should be noted that it is the cause of many wars.

My opinion is that GB is a Christian Country and whilst we should respect all religions and those that don't believe we should not allow minority groups to dictate what people say and do.

Religion always creates interesting debates. It should be noted that it is the cause of many wars.

My opinion is that GB is a Christian Country and whilst we should respect all religions and those that don't believe we should not allow minority groups to dictate what people say and do.

Agreed with the text in bold.

I'm not a bloody christian. I'm sorry but you can't choose a country's religion. The UK is multi-cultural meaning there are muslims, christians, jews, aetheists, scientologists bla bla bla.

Chief Chief Chief This Country is Christian not Bloody Muslim Scientology, or anything else. Me personally im am none of the above

What a load of crap. A committed christian but vaguely practices it. A typical politician, tells you what you want to hear but does not do what he says. The guy is turning out to be a nightmare.

I'm not a bloody christian. I'm sorry but you can't choose a country's religion. The UK is multi-cultural meaning there are muslims, christians, jews, aetheists, scientologists bla bla bla.

Chief Chief Chief This Country is Christian not Bloody Muslim Scientology, or anything else. Me personally im am none of the above

Not saying it is Muslim, scientology or something else. I'm just saying this country is multi-cultural, by the way im an aetheist.

I'm not a bloody christian. I'm sorry but you can't choose a country's religion. The UK is multi-cultural meaning there are muslims, christians, jews, aetheists, scientologists bla bla bla.

71.6% of Britain are Christians,so yes Britain is a Christian country.

I'm not a bloody christian. I'm sorry but you can't choose a country's religion. The UK is multi-cultural meaning there are muslims, christians, jews, aetheists, scientologists bla bla bla.

71.6% of Britain are Christians,so yes Britain is a Christian country.

May I ask where you got that figure from? Just wondering as I genuinely thought there was less Christians and more aetheists, prolly just my area.

Interesting post Annis.

There are different rules in different parts of the UK. Wales is officially a secular country (unlike England), as we have no official religion here. The Church of England was disestablished here in 1921, when Lloyd George was PM. That is a great strength. In Cardiff we have all sorts of Christian churches, several mosques, a synagogue, a sikh temple, and probably a few more that I don't know about. But we are all Welsh, and all equal. Personally, I think that religion should be a private matter. We should be free to practice our own faith, but not force it on anyone else. Equally, we should be free to be agnostics or atheists, but respect other views.

Just for the record, I took early retirement from Velindre hospital in September 2010, and am now training to be a Roman Catholic priest. ST holder at the City. Live and let live, eh?

Interesting post Annis.

There are different rules in different parts of the UK. Wales is officially a secular country (unlike England), as we have no official religion here. The Church of England was disestablished here in 1921, when Lloyd George was PM. That is a great strength. In Cardiff we have all sorts of Christian churches, several mosques, a synagogue, a sikh temple, and probably a few more that I don't know about. But we are all Welsh, and all equal. Personally, I think that religion should be a private matter. We should be free to practice our own faith, but not force it on anyone else. Equally, we should be free to be agnostics or atheists, but respect other views.

Just for the record, I took early retirement from Velindre hospital in September 2010, and am now training to be a Roman Catholic priest. ST holder at the City. Live and let live, eh?

I honestly believe everyone should be allowed to have their own beliefs/religion.
Your right it should never be forced on anyone.
Also we should not be stopped from saying Merry Xmas.
Great post thanks for the info and good luck.

but this is politics gone wrong and telling us how we should respect other religions
im a Catholic and proud to be
no one tells me that my religion is wrong
i dont tell other people their religion is wrong
this fear of disrespecting other religions is utter rubbish
i remember a few years ago now when Birmingham council tried to scrap Christmas and call it Winter Festivities so as not to offend the Muslim community living in Birmingham
the Christian community rolled over and accepted it because we are brainwashed into thinking we must do what we can not to offend people
One community came out in protest against the proposed changes
The Muslim Community
they couldnt understand it Christmas is a religious festival, a Christian religious festival
they didnt understand why a Christian country didnt want to celebrate their saviours birth
As im sure you are aware Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God
Now Muslims dont but they do believe Jesus Christ was a Great Prophet and do study his teachings

Religion always creates interesting debates. It should be noted that it is the cause of many wars.

My opinion is that GB is a Christian Country and whilst we should respect all religions and those that don't believe we should not allow minority groups to dictate what people say and do.

Britain is a post-modern country albeit one with a strong Chrisitan historical influence. That influence though is no longer there and unfortunately the church has itself to blame. As a Christian I believe we have to hold our hands up and apologise where we got it wrong. We have been the nay-sayers and moral police of society rather than the activists and change makers. Jesus was a radical who created change, he did not judge anyone but inspired change in the lives of people who wanted something more.

Jesus wore a crown of thorn and he church wear garbs of gold and silver, how far have we fallen away from he ideals of our originator. Sorry!!!

As a Christian I cannot believe the attitude at St. Pauls where the Church will not take a stand for those fighting for equality and have closed their doors to them because they are so heavily entrenched in those systems themselves. Sorry!!!

God, was not responsible for the crusade, I dare say even religion was not. It was the people. Sorry!!!

Where we've been too concerned with who is going to heaven over theological minutia rather than helping the orphans, the widows and the prisoner. Sorry!!!

When we've walked past the man sleeping on the street and been in a hurry to get to our services. Sorry!!!

Where we've had building programmes o fix our roof or charge £2,000 dollars for a commemorative glass brick for our crystal cathedrals. Sorry!!!

The Church and Christians have taken theirs collective eyes off the ball when it comes to what we are actually here to do and be about. Sorry!!!

Gladly there are churches out there now who are trying to tackle these issues and make a positive change in our society. There is CAP (Christians against Poverty) which give free debt counselling advice to people and will help structure their lives to get them debt free within 3 to 5 years. There is Foodbank, heralded by Leanne Wood AM, which is the modern day equivalent to soup kitchens and provides 3 days of nutritionally balanced food to people in emergency situations and unable to feed their families. These are two of the things that the church I'm part of is doing to try and tackle the issues faced by families in the Rhondda. We just took a collection a few weeks back and raised a large amount of money in order to purchase a building outright to save the costs we are currently outlaying in order to create a community center to tackle to above issues and provide venues to heel broken families restore themselves. With Foodbank alone in the past 2 years we have fed 502 adults and 318 children https://www.simplyhealth.co.uk/sh/pages ... eId=329078. We could though do with more help, more funding support as the building we have purchased is in a poor state of repairs and needs a lot of money to repair and make safe. If anyone out there wants to support eh projects that we are doing then please either PM me or check out www.actscommunitychurch.co.uk get in touch.

PLEASE!!!!

Right, here's my view on religion. (I'll try and be polite as possible)

For me, the bible is a book on how you should live your life, none of it actually happened its just stories that in a way, say whats good and bad. Do I think alot of people were brain washed into believing in a "god"? Absolutely, back a couple of thousands of years ago when they had no where near the technology we have now to proove "gods" existance, plus they were very superstitious times.

As an aetheist, I do respect peoples views on what or whom they believe in (unless they try and convert me). But since "religious studies" is a core subject in school shouldnt "the theory of evolution" also be one?

I could keep on going but I'm trying to be polite and I can't be bothered for a massive debate on religion. If it was politics I'd more than happily to but religion, theres nothing to debate about (IMO).

I perhaps could've worded it better but hey ho.

Right, here's my view on religion. (I'll try and be polite as possible)

For me, the bible is a book on how you should live your life, none of it actually happened its just stories that in a way, say whats good and bad. Do I think alot of people were brain washed into believing in a "god"? Absolutely, back a couple of thousands of years ago when they had no where near the technology we have now to proove "gods" existance, plus they were very superstitious times.

As an aetheist, I do respect peoples views on what or whom they believe in (unless they try and convert me). But since "religious studies" is a core subject in school shouldnt "the theory of evolution" also be one?

I could keep on going but I'm trying to be polite and I can't be bothered for a massive debate on religion. If it was politics I'd more than happily to but religion, theres nothing to debate about (IMO).

I perhaps could've worded it better but hey ho.

the theory of evolution is taught in schools its taught in religious studies
if you werent taught it your teacher wasnt doing his/her job properly
or you werent paying attention in your classes lol

Right, here's my view on religion. (I'll try and be polite as possible)

For me, the bible is a book on how you should live your life, none of it actually happened its just stories that in a way, say whats good and bad. Do I think alot of people were brain washed into believing in a "god"? Absolutely, back a couple of thousands of years ago when they had no where near the technology we have now to proove "gods" existance, plus they were very superstitious times.

As an aetheist, I do respect peoples views on what or whom they believe in (unless they try and convert me). But since "religious studies" is a core subject in school shouldnt "the theory of evolution" also be one?

I could keep on going but I'm trying to be polite and I can't be bothered for a massive debate on religion. If it was politics I'd more than happily to but religion, theres nothing to debate about (IMO).

I perhaps could've worded it better but hey ho.

the theory of evolution is taught in schools its taught in religious studies
if you werent taught it your teacher wasnt doing his/her job properly
or you werent paying attention in your classes lol

The school I went to was shit. My RE teacher said "theres the right theory "creationism" then theres the wrong theory "evolution".

Evolution SHOULDNT be taught in religious classes but science classes.

Right, here's my view on religion. (I'll try and be polite as possible)

For me, the bible is a book on how you should live your life, none of it actually happened its just stories that in a way, say whats good and bad. Do I think alot of people were brain washed into believing in a "god"? Absolutely, back a couple of thousands of years ago when they had no where near the technology we have now to proove "gods" existance, plus they were very superstitious times.

There is too much historical evidence to support a Biblical view of history as being correct. Though I think that there are things about the text that we don't quite understand about who wrote it when etc which could lead to a depiction of it being not historically credible within the Old Testament. For example the book of Isaiah was, so I was told at Uni by my lecturer, written over a period longer than one person's life but then it could have been written by people within the school of the prophet, much like we have serial magazines etc it would all come under the same title but different authors. The New Testament is another case altogether as there is a significant amount of historical evidence to prove its accuracy, there is more historical evidence that Jesus live than Julius Ceasar but no-one will doubt his existence.

As an aetheist, I do respect peoples views on what or whom they believe in (unless they try and convert me). But since "religious studies" is a core subject in school shouldnt "the theory of evolution" also be one?

Interesting point. The big furore over that being taught in schools is probably due to a sense of privileged position that many Christians have enjoyed without any challenge and therefore have not wanted any opposing views to challenge their own. I'm far more open minded as a Christian to say you often have to have what you believe challenged in order to gain a greater understanding of it. Much like in science you have to test your hypothesis to validate it, I thin the same with faith.

On the thing of conversion. Obvioulsy you would tell people how much you love the City. You can't blame someone for doing the same when they believe eternal bliss is on offer to their mates if they believe... can you????

I could keep on going but I'm trying to be polite and I can't be bothered for a massive debate on religion. If it was politics I'd more than happily to but religion, theres nothing to debate about (IMO).

I perhaps could've worded it better but hey ho.

Right, here's my view on religion. (I'll try and be polite as possible)

For me, the bible is a book on how you should live your life, none of it actually happened its just stories that in a way, say whats good and bad. Do I think alot of people were brain washed into believing in a "god"? Absolutely, back a couple of thousands of years ago when they had no where near the technology we have now to proove "gods" existance, plus they were very superstitious times.

As an aetheist, I do respect peoples views on what or whom they believe in (unless they try and convert me). But since "religious studies" is a core subject in school shouldnt "the theory of evolution" also be one?

I could keep on going but I'm trying to be polite and I can't be bothered for a massive debate on religion. If it was politics I'd more than happily to but religion, theres nothing to debate about (IMO).

I perhaps could've worded it better but hey ho.

the theory of evolution is taught in schools its taught in religious studies
if you werent taught it your teacher wasnt doing his/her job properly
or you werent paying attention in your classes lol

The school I went to was shit. My RE teacher said "theres the right theory "creationism" then theres the wrong theory "evolution".

Evolution SHOULDNT be taught in religious classes but science classes.

Interesting point there again. Evolution isn't a belief system its a scientific theory. Thee's a big difference, a belief in evolution does not directly teach you anything with regards to how you life your life. A belief system undoubtedly will,

Right, here's my view on religion. (I'll try and be polite as possible)

For me, the bible is a book on how you should live your life, none of it actually happened its just stories that in a way, say whats good and bad. Do I think alot of people were brain washed into believing in a "god"? Absolutely, back a couple of thousands of years ago when they had no where near the technology we have now to proove "gods" existance, plus they were very superstitious times.

There is too much historical evidence to support a Biblical view of history as being correct. Though I think that there are things about the text that we don't quite understand about who wrote it when etc which could lead to a depiction of it being not historically credible within the Old Testament. For example the book of Isaiah was, so I was told at Uni by my lecturer, written over a period longer than one person's life but then it could have been written by people within the school of the prophet, much like we have serial magazines etc it would all come under the same title but different authors. The New Testament is another case altogether as there is a significant amount of historical evidence to prove its accuracy, there is more historical evidence that Jesus live than Julius Ceasar but no-one will doubt his existence.

As an aetheist, I do respect peoples views on what or whom they believe in (unless they try and convert me). But since "religious studies" is a core subject in school shouldnt "the theory of evolution" also be one?

Interesting point. The big furore over that being taught in schools is probably due to a sense of privileged position that many Christians have enjoyed without any challenge and therefore have not wanted any opposing views to challenge their own. I'm far more open minded as a Christian to say you often have to have what you believe challenged in order to gain a greater understanding of it. Much like in science you have to test your hypothesis to validate it, I thin the same with faith.

On the thing of conversion. Obvioulsy you would tell people how much you love the City. You can't blame someone for doing the same when they believe eternal bliss is on offer to their mates if they believe... can you????

I could keep on going but I'm trying to be polite and I can't be bothered for a massive debate on religion. If it was politics I'd more than happily to but religion, theres nothing to debate about (IMO).

I perhaps could've worded it better but hey ho.

Knew I'd be dragged into a religious debate

Right ok, please show "historical evidence" of the biblical view of history as being correct.

About the conversion. Yes I can, I don't try and convert people in to City fans by quoting fairytales from the bible.

Right, here's my view on religion. (I'll try and be polite as possible)

For me, the bible is a book on how you should live your life, none of it actually happened its just stories that in a way, say whats good and bad. Do I think alot of people were brain washed into believing in a "god"? Absolutely, back a couple of thousands of years ago when they had no where near the technology we have now to proove "gods" existance, plus they were very superstitious times.

As an aetheist, I do respect peoples views on what or whom they believe in (unless they try and convert me). But since "religious studies" is a core subject in school shouldnt "the theory of evolution" also be one?

I could keep on going but I'm trying to be polite and I can't be bothered for a massive debate on religion. If it was politics I'd more than happily to but religion, theres nothing to debate about (IMO).

I perhaps could've worded it better but hey ho.

the theory of evolution is taught in schools its taught in religious studies
if you werent taught it your teacher wasnt doing his/her job properly
or you werent paying attention in your classes lol

The school I went to was shit. My RE teacher said "theres the right theory "creationism" then theres the wrong theory "evolution".

Evolution SHOULDNT be taught in religious classes but science classes.

well it has to be taught otherwise you cant use anything to argue against religious points of view
if you get a question saying

'God created the World'
discuss using arguments for and against
your arguments for would be the Bible and religious doctrine like God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th
your argument against would be the theory of evolution, natural selection and other scientific points of view
religious studies is a great subject to study
you dont have to be religious for it
it brings in history, geography, cultural studies and philosophy
plus its one af very few subjects the requires you to debate different points of views instead of just stating facts

Right, here's my view on religion. (I'll try and be polite as possible)

For me, the bible is a book on how you should live your life, none of it actually happened its just stories that in a way, say whats good and bad. Do I think alot of people were brain washed into believing in a "god"? Absolutely, back a couple of thousands of years ago when they had no where near the technology we have now to proove "gods" existance, plus they were very superstitious times.

There is too much historical evidence to support a Biblical view of history as being correct. Though I think that there are things about the text that we don't quite understand about who wrote it when etc which could lead to a depiction of it being not historically credible within the Old Testament. For example the book of Isaiah was, so I was told at Uni by my lecturer, written over a period longer than one person's life but then it could have been written by people within the school of the prophet, much like we have serial magazines etc it would all come under the same title but different authors. The New Testament is another case altogether as there is a significant amount of historical evidence to prove its accuracy, there is more historical evidence that Jesus live than Julius Ceasar but no-one will doubt his existence.

As an aetheist, I do respect peoples views on what or whom they believe in (unless they try and convert me). But since "religious studies" is a core subject in school shouldnt "the theory of evolution" also be one?

Interesting point. The big furore over that being taught in schools is probably due to a sense of privileged position that many Christians have enjoyed without any challenge and therefore have not wanted any opposing views to challenge their own. I'm far more open minded as a Christian to say you often have to have what you believe challenged in order to gain a greater understanding of it. Much like in science you have to test your hypothesis to validate it, I thin the same with faith.

On the thing of conversion. Obvioulsy you would tell people how much you love the City. You can't blame someone for doing the same when they believe eternal bliss is on offer to their mates if they believe... can you????

I could keep on going but I'm trying to be polite and I can't be bothered for a massive debate on religion. If it was politics I'd more than happily to but religion, theres nothing to debate about (IMO).

I perhaps could've worded it better but hey ho.

Knew I'd be dragged into a religious debate

Right ok, please show "historical evidence" of the biblical view of history as being correct.

About the conversion. Yes I can, I don't try and convert people in to City fans by quoting fairytales from the bible.

Josephus, Jewish historian is one. To be honest I didn't go much into the supporting historical documents but I know that lots of it exists.

No, but fairytales of Ninian park and the grange end lol

im not a tory but i take my hat off to him for saying what he did.im a christian .other faiths and indeed people of none faith i have no probs with .jesus said to serve all.

natman blue.just checked the link .looks like your making a difference.

british holidays, culture, commerce, law etc are based around basic christian beliefs, wether or not you are a practicing christian you cant deny our society has evolved from christianity

Thanks Annis, much appreciated. Live and let live

Thanks Annis, much appreciated. Live and let live

Exactly how I feel.

Being an Atheist i do not see why if the uk is a christian country why we have to put up with being politicly correct to others. Why cant we say happy xmas holiday in schools anymore, if it ofends anyone then they can always go back to there country of birth if they wish.
This is a country of free speech if you dont like it go back to your own place.The older i get i am more tollerant to others but if you dont want to be like us PISS off and stop taking our benefits. Before anyone takes there high horse i am from a Cardiff family of Welsh English married into a mixed Sicilian Welsh Colombian families and we have all worked here for over 40 years.

Regardless of any ones religious beliefs Britain is built on the foundations of Christianity.

Now, I'm not of any belief system, but I have the utmost contempt for people from other cultures who come to this country to enjoy the same rights and privileges that we enjoy (Democracy, freedom of speech, etc) only to slag us off and protest against us.

I won't suffer it if I witness it and I certainly won't hold back in my contempt of it even if it upsets the ever growing number of the spineless PC brigade. I will upset every f*cking person within earshot if I'm unfortunate enough to catch these cunts in action.

They boil my piss and I make no apology for it.

but this is the problem
other religions dont have a problem with other religions (ok a minority might but its a small minority)
muslims dont care about what christians get up to
christians dont care what jews get up to
this a whole fear created by the government to try and win votes and its not working

Well said Frodo.Its not that i dislike religious people its the politicly correct types(the invisible people) who the f**k are they.Sorry to anyone under 18 but this is how i see life.You dont need to be religious to be nice to anyone else of different beliefs.