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Tomorrow we may get some truth behind the Hillsborough disaster, they are being forced to release the associated documents after twenty years of mass public pressure, perhaps someone can accept they were wrong and finally apologise to the families affected by this tragedy.

Tomorrow we may get some truth behind the Hillsborough disaster, they are being forced to release the associated documents after twenty years of mass public pressure, perhaps someone can accept they were wrong and finally apologise to the families affected by this tragedy.

Who are 'they' Gwyn ?

Police or goverment ?

Been far too many years bit hopefully soon the real truth will be out.

Perhaps we''l find out tomorrow, it could be either or both, or as most suspect, more likely the Police and then protected by the Government.

Perhaps we''l find out tomorrow, it could be either or both, or as most suspect, more likely the Police and then protected by the Government.

Definitely both. The police were acting off their own bat but were implimenting
policies brought in by Thatcher to treat football supporters like shit

everyone is still forgeting that if the liverpool fans without tickets didnt turn up then it wouldnt of happened ,its terrible that fans are dead but they all got to take some of the blame police,fans and goverment over this.

All I have to say is R.I.P fellow football fans. Many arguments about the fans turning up without tickets etc, but there is no ifs or buts about the way it was policed. Diabolical!! I hope for the family's and friends someone has to finally take responsibility for this terrible tradegy.

everyone is still forgeting that if the liverpool fans without tickets didnt turn up then it wouldnt of happened ,its terrible that fans are dead but they all got to take some of the blame police,fans and goverment over this.

Ticketless fans turned up in the hope that they could get a ticket too see their beloved team. They did not force open the gates, they were opened by the police. They are in no way too blame for this tragedy.

everyone is still forgeting that if the liverpool fans without tickets didnt turn up then it wouldnt of happened ,its terrible that fans are dead but they all got to take some of the blame police,fans and goverment over this.

correct there are many factors involed and the fans are part of it

everyone is still forgeting that if the liverpool fans without tickets didnt turn up then it wouldnt of happened ,its terrible that fans are dead but they all got to take some of the blame police,fans and goverment over this.

True Wez .

Tomorrow we may get some truth behind the Hillsborough disaster, they are being forced to release the associated documents after twenty years of mass public pressure, perhaps someone can accept they were wrong and finally apologise to the families affected by this tragedy.

Gwyn, this will be very interesting.

The documents are not being released tomorrow. There is a House of Commons debate triggered by the online petition which will discuss the possible release of the documents.

The documents are not being released tomorrow. There is a House of Commons debate triggered by the online petition which will discuss the possible release of the documents.

Thanks for the facts fella - Gwyn has a habit of getting them wrong

everyone is still forgeting that if the liverpool fans without tickets didnt turn up then it wouldnt of happened ,its terrible that fans are dead but they all got to take some of the blame police,fans and goverment over this.

someone always brings this fallacy up. The overall end was not over capacity. The problem was that instead of blocking a tunnel off to stop people going into the middle pens which were at capacity the were allowed through. If the tunnel had been blocked and people had been led to the side pens then the overcrowding would not have happened. The people outside were a bigger than number because apart from the usuall number that naturally liked to turn up closer to kick off (it happened everywhere and still does) there was a traffic accident causing many others to be late. Crowd experts afterwards - documented in the Taylor report - stated that the terraces on the whole were not overcrowded. The problem is the media reports for the few days aterwards, especially the Star and the Sun reported the latecomers, no tickets, urinating on the dead etc. Those were the headlines and they seem to have stuck. My hope is that when the documents that have been hidden from public viewing are released - and tomorrow is the next step towards that - that the truth is in there. I wonder what was being hidden by the government and police that they wanted nobody to see. I have my suspicions.

Really looking forward to this police in the 80s treated fans like animals.

The documents are not being released tomorrow. There is a House of Commons debate triggered by the online petition which will discuss the possible release of the documents.

there is some doubt now as to if the debate will go ahead tomorrow as planned.
what has always puzzled me over hillsborough is that the year previous to that the same teams contested the same semi final at the same ground with the fans in the same ends.
so why the massive cock up after the trouble free game a year earlier.

Watch this video Gents.

You probably wont blame in any way shape or form afterwards

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/04/14 ... ter-video/

The documents are not being released tomorrow. There is a House of Commons debate triggered by the online petition which will discuss the possible release of the documents.

there is some doubt now as to if the debate will go ahead tomorrow as planned.
what has always puzzled me over hillsborough is that the year previous to that the same teams contested the same semi final at the same ground with the fans in the same ends.
so why the massive cock up after the trouble free game a year earlier.

duckenfield the policeman in charge was new and in charge of his first very high profile game. Hillsborough did have a little history though of this type of trouble in semis though as tottenham fans had similar issues in 1981 v Wolves but got over the fence.

The documents are not being released tomorrow. There is a House of Commons debate triggered by the online petition which will discuss the possible release of the documents.

there is some doubt now as to if the debate will go ahead tomorrow as planned.
what has always puzzled me over hillsborough is that the year previous to that the same teams contested the same semi final at the same ground with the fans in the same ends.
so why the massive cock up after the trouble free game a year earlier.

there was some doubt last week because of one MP but that was thrown out and it goes ahead as planned

I sincerely hope these papers are released and we find some truth to what really happened. Lets not forget about Heysel fans losing their lives at a football match

Watch this video Gents.

You probably wont blame in any way shape or form afterwards

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/04/14 ... ter-video/

You wont Blame the fans i mean.

that could have been Cardiff City fans there, we'd have been treated the same

I sincerely hope these papers are released and we find some truth to what really happened. Lets not forget about Heysel fans losing their lives at a football match

very much so and people were brought to justice in that. Unfortunately there have been too many deaths occurring at football matches. One person not coming home from a game is one person too many.

there is some doubt now as to if the debate will go ahead tomorrow as planned.
what has always puzzled me over hillsborough is that the year previous to that the same teams contested the same semi final at the same ground with the fans in the same ends.
so why the massive cock up after the trouble free game a year earlier.

There was some doubt because a Tory MP(Christopher Chope) wants more time to talk about more important things. MPs pensions. But after pressure the PM said there would be time.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/views/ou ... -29587230/

everyone is still forgeting that if the liverpool fans without tickets didnt turn up then it wouldnt of happened ,its terrible that fans are dead but they all got to take some of the blame police,fans and goverment over this.

Ticketless fans turned up in the hope that they could get a ticket too see their beloved team. They did not force open the gates, they were opened by the police. They are in no way too blame for this tragedy.

No, sorry, I don't buy this. Another case of self pity city syndrome. Yes, the police could have handled it better, much better. But you can't exonerate the drunken, ticketless scousers of any blame. If they knew it was an all ticket game, why turn up? OK, so we've all probably done it, but the fact is that some of these fans obviously tried to force their way in, and some succeeded. So there's some of your blame right there

everyone is still forgeting that if the liverpool fans without tickets didnt turn up then it wouldnt of happened ,its terrible that fans are dead but they all got to take some of the blame police,fans and goverment over this.

Ticketless fans turned up in the hope that they could get a ticket too see their beloved team. They did not force open the gates, they were opened by the police. They are in no way too blame for this tragedy.

No, sorry, I don't buy this. Another case of self pity city syndrome. Yes, the police could have handled it better, much better. But you can't exonerate the drunken, ticketless scousers of any blame. If they knew it was an all ticket game, why turn up? OK, so we've all probably done it, but the fact is that some of these fans obviously tried to force their way in, and some succeeded. So there's some of your blame right there

Agree Nottage - well put.

everyone is still forgeting that if the liverpool fans without tickets didnt turn up then it wouldnt of happened ,its terrible that fans are dead but they all got to take some of the blame police,fans and goverment over this.

Ticketless fans turned up in the hope that they could get a ticket too see their beloved team. They did not force open the gates, they were opened by the police. They are in no way too blame for this tragedy.

No, sorry, I don't buy this. Another case of self pity city syndrome. Yes, the police could have handled it better, much better. But you can't exonerate the drunken, ticketless scousers of any blame. If they knew it was an all ticket game, why turn up? OK, so we've all probably done it, but the fact is that some of these fans obviously tried to force their way in, and some succeeded. So there's some of your blame right there

Agree Nottage - well put.

Thanks Daya

everyone is still forgeting that if the liverpool fans without tickets didnt turn up then it wouldnt of happened ,its terrible that fans are dead but they all got to take some of the blame police,fans and goverment over this.

Ticketless fans turned up in the hope that they could get a ticket too see their beloved team. They did not force open the gates, they were opened by the police. They are in no way too blame for this tragedy.

No, sorry, I don't buy this. Another case of self pity city syndrome. Yes, the police could have handled it better, much better. But you can't exonerate the drunken, ticketless scousers of any blame. If they knew it was an all ticket game, why turn up? OK, so we've all probably done it, but the fact is that some of these fans obviously tried to force their way in, and some succeeded. So there's some of your blame right there

Agree Nottage - well put.

Thanks Daya

Sorry, but you are just not recognising the facts and building up the same sort of "blame the scousers" agenda that The Sun and Star propagated at the time

As has been said above the problem was not overcrowding in the END but in the central PEN. That is something that cannot be blamed on the fans, only police/stewards who dictated where fans could go once through the turnstiles.

Come on guys, this is a serious subject base your opinions on facts not unproven innuendo.

There is one undeniable FACT here. That fact is that "IF THE FANS WERE TO BLAME" the documents would have been released a long time ago.

The fact that people are forcing MP's to discuss releasing document proves that they contain information that will get someone in the shit. Do you honestly think they would hide the documents to protect fans? No of course they wouldn't.

Fact is simple, if there's nothing to hide then why hide the documents?

everyone is still forgeting that if the liverpool fans without tickets didnt turn up then it wouldnt of happened ,its terrible that fans are dead but they all got to take some of the blame police,fans and goverment over this.

Ticketless fans turned up in the hope that they could get a ticket too see their beloved team. They did not force open the gates, they were opened by the police. They are in no way too blame for this tragedy.

No, sorry, I don't buy this. Another case of self pity city syndrome. Yes, the police could have handled it better, much better. But you can't exonerate the drunken, ticketless scousers of any blame. If they knew it was an all ticket game, why turn up? OK, so we've all probably done it, but the fact is that some of these fans obviously tried to force their way in, and some succeeded. So there's some of your blame right there

Fans who are desperate to watch their team will turn up with or without tickets i have seen it plenty of time with City especially at Gloucester and Brentford think it was on a Boxing Day many years ago.

The point is it is down to the police and ground authorities to keep order and ensure the safety of the fans and there were terrible mistakes made at Hillsboro like directing all the fans down the tunnel into the middle pen which was already seriously over crowded.

Instead of covering everything up the authorities should have acknowledged that mistakes were made and learn't from these mistakes and in the process they wouldn't have besmirched the memory of those poor souls that were tragically killed.

everyone is still forgeting that if the liverpool fans without tickets didnt turn up then it wouldnt of happened ,its terrible that fans are dead but they all got to take some of the blame police,fans and goverment over this.

Your way off the mark there mate.

It was obvious that there were too many people in the end but they still refused to open the gates of the fence surrounding the pitch while people were dying in front of them.

The ob let them in but wouldn't let those that were dying out!

Letting them die like that is manslaughter