" FAO those not happy with malaysians & malky "

I've noticed lately more and more people making little remarks about the malaysians! I cant understand this for the life of me. If you took over a club and put millions into it to stop it going into certain liquidation and then you went on message boards and read people whinging that you hadnt spent enough, how would you feel? I'd take my money amd find another club! Some people are saying the malaysians promised this and that but I remember tg always saying they werent gonna be sugar daddys and they were gonna be prudent and make the club self sufficient. So I don't know why people are complaining or expecting more. Like i've said countless times, we should be happy we still have a club!

Secondly i've read that dave jones got us into the play offs so malky should! I don't see how the two situations are comparable. Dave jones had a short term plan to the detriment of the long term future of the club. He spent big and gave high wages with the aim of going up last year. If you read my lold post you'll see that I backed dave jones, but looking back the last 2 years he got lazy. Our scouting network became non existent, our youth suffered and players werent tied down on contracts.
This left the next manager with a pretty thankless task. But malky mackay has come in and done just the opposite to jones. He has set up a long term plan and is in the process of laying the foundations to make cardiff city a force for years to come. He's revamping the scouting network, is actively involved with the youth and is bringing in young, hungry players willing to sweat blood for the shirt. He's also utilising the foreign market. When names were being touted around in the summer, how many of us mentioned rudy gestede as a potential target? a manager who can find these gems is rare these days. I think we should all be backing the malaysians and malky 100% this year and see where it takes us

Good post.

Exactly

Totally agree about the malaysians

Agree MM has been excellent and just what we needed but for me he still has to get top 6.

Spot on

Good post fella -

happiest I've felt about cardiff city in years. Last 2 DJ seasons made me disillusioned. I don't like the way money/champions league places is destroying the sport (its filtered through to loads of teams and fans demanding success). CCFC is a breath of fresh air - most of our fans get it now (we will have good and bad games - stay with it guys

Good post

Totally agree about the malaysians

Agree MM has been excellent and just what we needed but for me he still has to get top 6.

I would love us to reach the play offs, but unless we get some more cutting edge i think we may just miss out, but like i said long term things look fantastic

Great post

Agreed!

Well said.

Totally agree about the malaysians

Agree MM has been excellent and just what we needed but for me he still has to get top 6.

I would love us to reach the play offs, but unless we get some more cutting edge i think we may just miss out, but like i said long term things look fantastic

I agree, if not we try again next season.

Agreed.

I've noticed lately more and more people making little remarks about the malaysians! I cant understand this for the life of me. If you took over a club and put millions into it to stop it going into certain liquidation and then you went on message boards and read people whinging that you hadnt spent enough, how would you feel? I'd take my money amd find another club! Some people are saying the malaysians promised this and that but I remember tg always saying they werent gonna be sugar daddys and they were gonna be prudent and make the club self sufficient. So I don't know why people are complaining or expecting more. Like i've said countless times, we should be happy we still have a club!

Secondly i've read that dave jones got us into the play offs so malky should! I don't see how the two situations are comparable. Dave jones had a short term plan to the detriment of the long term future of the club. He spent big and gave high wages with the aim of going up last year. If you read my lold post you'll see that I backed dave jones, but looking back the last 2 years he got lazy. Our scouting network became non existent, our youth suffered and players werent tied down on contracts.
This left the next manager with a pretty thankless task. But malky mackay has come in and done just the opposite to jones. He has set up a long term plan and is in the process of laying the foundations to make cardiff city a force for years to come. He's revamping the scouting network, is actively involved with the youth and is bringing in young, hungry players willing to sweat blood for the shirt. He's also utilising the foreign market. When names were being touted around in the summer, how many of us mentioned rudy gestede as a potential target? a manager who can find these gems is rare these days. I think we should all be backing the malaysians and malky 100% this year and see where it takes us

Nailed on mate.

My only little criticism is of us all.

Is it not time we stopped calling them 'The Malaysians'

It kind of sounds cold to me.

Its 'TG and Vincent Tan', or 'our new owners'... somehow sounds less distant

Or I could be talking shite

Whatever fans say or think everything turned on its head when we lost the play off Final to Blackpool ...... the Malaysian gamble was on the cards and fame and fortune of what the Premier League had to offer was right infront of them , unfortunately the dream was over and then all of a sudden the reality of owning a British football club still in the Championship hit them . Different financial ball game all of a sudden and the millions of debt owed remained and another slog in the Championship to come ........ they put the money in and as rightly said saved CCFC from certain liquidation !

Then 12 months later another failed attempt at propmotion after another gamble using high salaries and high profiles players here we go again with 12 players and a manager down to boot ...... but IMO a good choice in picking Mackay as manager who in fairness has signed a few players now on a limited budget and who hopefully if backed by the board will produce another team which can make the play offs yet again . The Malaysians are trying to balance the books by settling debts and building a squad for Mackay so maybe some leeway needs to be given here ??

I for 1 am happy so far with all at CCS .... even Gethin is rising in the popularity charts too

I've noticed lately more and more people making little remarks about the malaysians! I cant understand this for the life of me. If you took over a club and put millions into it to stop it going into certain liquidation and then you went on message boards and read people whinging that you hadnt spent enough, how would you feel? I'd take my money amd find another club! Some people are saying the malaysians promised this and that but I remember tg always saying they werent gonna be sugar daddys and they were gonna be prudent and make the club self sufficient. So I don't know why people are complaining or expecting more. Like i've said countless times, we should be happy we still have a club!

Secondly i've read that dave jones got us into the play offs so malky should! I don't see how the two situations are comparable. Dave jones had a short term plan to the detriment of the long term future of the club. He spent big and gave high wages with the aim of going up last year. If you read my lold post you'll see that I backed dave jones, but looking back the last 2 years he got lazy. Our scouting network became non existent, our youth suffered and players werent tied down on contracts.
This left the next manager with a pretty thankless task. But malky mackay has come in and done just the opposite to jones. He has set up a long term plan and is in the process of laying the foundations to make cardiff city a force for years to come. He's revamping the scouting network, is actively involved with the youth and is bringing in young, hungry players willing to sweat blood for the shirt. He's also utilising the foreign market. When names were being touted around in the summer, how many of us mentioned rudy gestede as a potential target? a manager who can find these gems is rare these days. I think we should all be backing the malaysians and malky 100% this year and see where it takes us

I would never say that intervention of TG/VT was a bad thing, but there again there are questions still to be answered. One was the failure to invest around the time of Christmas 2009, which may have led to the player purchases which could have put us in the Premier League without having to go through the play-offs.

Second what is the long term strategy? Is it getting us into the PL and then selling for a quick profit, or are we part of a larger marketing plan involving VT's betting interests?

There is also the thorny issue of the Langston loan notes which still remain unpaid and is the biggest single factor to why fans think that their commitment is superficial.

If we did know the long term plans then we could possibly be an asset for them instead of an obstacle but until we do find out the speculation is bound to fester.

The problem wit you lot as fans is ther to see?you expect to much.
As the capital city of wales you have become use to getting what you want,and for the last few years your club has been run shit and just spent money you never had.
Now you are finding out how a club in debt should be run(on a budget)the problem with you is you expect to much as we did in the early 80s giving money out for shit players.
The truth is you are use to having what you want and again expect to finish top 6 and if not then its a poor season?.
You should be looking at building a team and getting secure of the field,you do not have a team to push for the play offs simple as,your first team are at best top 10 but your squad is mid table.
It takes 2to3 years to build a squad to compete after all the players you have lost and a new coaching set up,you need to stop thinking you are somthing you ain't and get of your high horse and stop demanding stupid tatgets.

Without major investment Swansea will never stay in the top flight and will fluctuate between Championship and League 1 for the forseeable future plus the main source of income ( ie a stadium ) isnt owned by them either , Cardiff invested heavily in the new stadium developement and ok its costing them now financially BUT there are backers here and a solid and slow re building process off and on the pitch will bear fruit over the next 2 or 3 years .

Expect too much you say ??? I was watching Cardiff in the bottom 2 divisions for many years when you were in nappies so to me Championship is very very welcome ........ 30 years ago Jacks were gloating and now your doing it again

Good post Martyn, but I'm afraid that Swansealad's post is also bang on the nail as well!

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The problem wit you lot as fans is ther to see?you expect to much.
As the capital city of wales you have become use to getting what you want,and for the last few years your club has been run shit and just spent money you never had.
Now you are finding out how a club in debt should be run(on a budget)the problem with you is you expect to much as we did in the early 80s giving money out for shit players.
The truth is you are use to having what you want and again expect to finish top 6 and if not then its a poor season?.
You should be looking at building a team and getting secure of the field,you do not have a team to push for the play offs simple as,your first team are at best top 10 but your squad is mid table.
It takes 2to3 years to build a squad to compete after all the players you have lost and a new coaching set up,you need to stop thinking you are somthing you ain't and get of your high horse and stop demanding stupid tatgets.

Do you know what. Most of your points are sadly, pretty valid.

However, right now, we are definitely top 6-8, and with one or two
players will be challenging for promotion

£24mil of Langston money still there though ........ thats about just as much has Leicester have spent this season on transfer fees etc !!

The problem wit you lot as fans is ther to see?you expect to much.
As the capital city of wales you have become use to getting what you want,and for the last few years your club has been run shit and just spent money you never had.
Now you are finding out how a club in debt should be run(on a budget)the problem with you is you expect to much as we did in the early 80s giving money out for shit players.
The truth is you are use to having what you want and again expect to finish top 6 and if not then its a poor season?.
You should be looking at building a team and getting secure of the field,you do not have a team to push for the play offs simple as,your first team are at best top 10 but your squad is mid table.
It takes 2to3 years to build a squad to compete after all the players you have lost and a new coaching set up,you need to stop thinking you are somthing you ain't and get of your high horse and stop demanding stupid tatgets.

It is amazing to see a Jack giving us a lecture on living within our means and not expecting 'others' to pay for it.

What about all those who lost out when you went into administration? What about the council tax payers of Swansea who paid for your stadium?

At the end of the day we get 7 to 8,000 more fans whilst playing in a league below yours and they all sit in a stadium we paid for. If we can achieve that, then we can put a team together (at our own expense) which can compete at the top level of this league.

Just this week we played Leciester twice and easily matched a club which had spent millions of pounds and will be up there at the end of the season. In contrast you were completely out played by Chelsea

To be fair to Swansealad though, he's heard all this before and is fully aware of his club's poor financial history!

If you take out the irony of his club's previous 2 administrations, his post is bang on IMO!

I allso was watching lower league football slick,when we were in the old first we got over payed players in to do s job but it all went tits up and we allso expected more,but the truth is we were in massive debt that reay nearly killed our club,a lot more serious then you.
For 20 years we had shit times after and after again,you should remember,we had it a lot worse then you.
So before you slage us of for not being bold enough and spending stupid money remember that we very nearly lost our club.
As for us going down?we are 6 games in lost 3drawn 2 won 1and are 15th?we have only lost to three of the top 5 sides on ther patch and are growing in to the prem every game?and you say about our stadium not owned by us,and?
We still get the money from our crowds and are looking to add a further 7 and a half tho to it the end of the season,we will have millions in the bank if we stay up or go down and we have a team that will be able to go up automatic if we come down,we are in a fr better position then you,and agreed you do own your stadium that's is all you have going for you.
And allso remember we are playing top flight football ther for our fan base is growing by the game.

Swansealad, you should have stuck with your previous post, as I was with you at that point!

I think you're being too confident about your chances of staying up, as I don't think you will!

I also think you'll find it difficult to get automatic promotion when you get relegated, as you only have to look at the many other, far bigger clubs than yours, who have failed miserably!

Without a big investor behind clubs these days, the vast majority of clubs will struggle!

The only winners out of an extra 7,000 seats are the Swansea council and the Liberty Stadium Ltd ...... can imagine the Ospreys in a 27,000 seater stadium with just a handful watching them , saying that they once held the attendance record there didnt they ??

I don't think we will stay up or go down,I' know its going to be a big ask to stay ther,but I think we will ther abouts and think we are getting better.
As for big investers needed to get out of the champ?is bollox suck,we didn't,backpool.its good management and yes clubs have gone down and struggle,but they payed big wages and tryed to stay ther by spending big,we ain't we have all our players on long contracts we have millions in the bank and in the prosses of a brand new accademy next to the stadium.
We know we ain't a big club we ate average but you ain't s big club eather.
Since 1980 you have only avaraged 5 more higher attendances then so were you get this big club thing from I don't know,because before your fa and play off games you were only 15 av, and before your new ground 11..
But what I'm talking about is your expectations?you need to start from scratch lads as we had to,yes its good to have big spending backers but hat does not allways work plus you ain't got one anyway?like I said yor team at present is top 10 but squad mid table unless you get some players in.
Put it this way we have a better chance of staying upp then you have at going up.
And yes ospreys did have the record,but hey we had our stadium up and running long before you,and we were in league 3 when our stadium was finished and like you when you were down ther only av 6 k so 21 was enough,now it ain't but that is the progress we have made and you keep saying they are all rugby fans?I gess ther are some yes but they only get 5 k we get 20,and by all accounts ther is a shit atmosphere at yours,we have great and a hostility atmospher,

Lets not turn this into a cardiff swansea debate, to be honest I couldn't give a shit about them. The facts are, swansea lad made some great points. Tony if I remember right we didn't have any money to spend 2009 season cos ridsdales golden ticket scam where he pocketed the money. Secondly, we could doubt the future intentions of every owner in the country. You could argue that once abrahamovic wins the champions league then he will leave chelsea. Nobody knows what the malaysians long term plans are but as long as they are here bankrolling our club I will back them 100%. Thirdly i'm not concerned about the langston debt, the club hired forensic accountants and gethin jenkins has said that its all in hand (paraphrase). Personally I think it would have been quite foolish making an all out charge on the premier league this year given the fact that the whole club has been revamped meanwhile leicester and west ham have been spending like galacticos! I think the boards strategy along with malky has been to build a solid foundation and a team that is hard to beat (which is always the way with succesful teams) then next year push on and add the necessary flair to the team once the team and new management have es!blished themselves. If we get promoted this year it will be a massive bonus! (thats the way I see it anyway)

Good post and good luck for the season (hope u go down,but I am a jack basterd)and look forward to this game against you,I'm the brad pitt lookalik??

Lets not turn this into a cardiff swansea debate, to be honest I couldn't give a shit about them. The facts are, swansea lad made some great points. Tony if I remember right we didn't have any money to spend 2009 season cos ridsdales golden ticket scam where he pocketed the money. Secondly, we could doubt the future intentions of every owner in the country. You could argue that once abrahamovic wins the champions league then he will leave chelsea. Nobody knows what the malaysians long term plans are but as long as they are here bankrolling our club I will back them 100%. Thirdly i'm not concerned about the langston debt, the club hired forensic accountants and gethin jenkins has said that its all in hand (paraphrase). Personally I think it would have been quite foolish making an all out charge on the premier league this year given the fact that the whole club has been revamped meanwhile leicester and west ham have been spending like galacticos! I think the boards strategy along with malky has been to build a solid foundation and a team that is hard to beat (which is always the way with succesful teams) then next year push on and add the necessary flair to the team once the team and new management have es!blished themselves. If we get promoted this year it will be a massive bonus! (thats the way I see it anyway)

Yeh. I dont go on their board passing comment on them.

Yes, he did make good points, you only have to come on
the board for 5 minutes to realise some of our 'support'
is fickle to say the least.

But then he shows his ignorance about the team by saying
we are top ten at best.

My only argument would be that with the right blend up front
I cant see many teams beating us. Our defence and midfield
coped pretty easily with Leicester, truth be told. We just need
goals and we will fly