" THE BOARD CAN REDEEM THEMSELVES "

I am now over the disappointment that i have felt with the dealings from the club within the transfer window.

It is plain to see that we still need more signings throughout the squad and it now seem that we will have to turn to the loan market to fulfill these requirements. My only concern with this as proven last year is that some players who are loaned to clubs do not show enough committment and passion as players who are signed by the club.

I may be picking a bit too much but i am disappointed by our lack of ambition during the transfer window.

I did not expect or want the club to spend millions but we are in need of a striker and a few wingers, one example we could of gone for is Beckford, i know he was £3million but that to me would have shown the real desire that the board mean business and are looking for a top 2 finish.

At the moment the current squad we have simply does not seem to be good enough to achieve this aim, although a top ten finish does seem realistic. We NEED more strenghth in depth so it will be good to see how the board can redeem themselves within the loan window and show how much ambition they have buy the signings we achieve throughout this time.

As for Craig bellamy, i was devastated to learn that he was signing for Liverpool as i was 100 per cent convinced he would be a Bluebird this season, but i wish him all the best in his career.

As for an eleventh hour bid by the club to get his signature i cannot understand how the club have released such a statement on the issue as we ALL knew over a week ago that Man City were allowing Craig to depert on a free transfer, our club MUST have known this so why wait so long to make enquiries, i feel the statement has been released just to keep fans happy.

I know the club has huge debts, and that the Malaysians are just business men, but they have stated that they want us in the Premier league ASAP, so then why not show a little more ambition and spend some more money on quality, then we will be the real deal.

Us fans show ambition by buying season tickets and turning up every game, and during a time where money is not available to us all in abundance due to the current economic climate, but yet again we show our comittment to the club we all love. Would have been just a bit pleasing to see the board showing their commitment a little bit more.

Its quite simple, we dont have any money to spend.

Its quite simple, we dont have any money to spend.

But we have a Billionaire owner who has the desire to succeed and get to the premier league, surely £5 million of his own money would not dent his fortune that much and if we were promoted would enhance his fortune.

Its quite simple, we dont have any money to spend.

But we have a Billionaire owner who has the desire to succeed and get to the premier league, surely £5 million of his own money would not dent his fortune that much and if we were promoted would enhance his fortune.

You've already stated that they are businessmen Nobby, I really dont think they know how to run a football club and only see it as business. They have no heart or desire for CCFC, we are just a long term project for them to make money on. Yes they have saved us but we now must realise that CCFC is just another investment or somewhere to hide taxes.

i think you find that thye have to clear the debts owing to SH, Langston,
its about time our club was run properly and I think they will do it.
Just because Tan is a billionaire doesnt mean he is going to throw in millions,
we have supporters of our club who are millionaires who are very good at shying away from helping our club.

The sooner we can clear of SH once and for all then we can move on.

Beckford had a 20k a week pay rise, hes on 40k a week in championship! Id be mortified if the board did something ridiculous like that.

Beckford had a 20k a week pay rise, hes on 40k a week in championship! Id be mortified if the board did something ridiculous like that.

Beckford was never in the championshp, he went straight from league one Leeds to premiership everton if I'm
not mistaken.

Its quite simple, we dont have any money to spend.

But we have a Billionaire owner who has the desire to succeed and get to the premier league, surely £5 million of his own money would not dent his fortune that much and if we were promoted would enhance his fortune.

in fairness nobby look at abramovich at chelsea at the moment 75 million in january for two flops and millions more this window.
money and inflated wages does not guarantee everything as we have seen in the last few years under ridsdale and jones.
at least malky is building a squad with younger players that will be around next year and not be ready for the knackers yard as the like of fowler was.
lets wait and see what happens when the loan window opens before we start criticising malky or the malaysians for lack of ambition or investment.
we have still to see the best of gunnarson, kiss and mcphail yet so i think the start to the season has been a reasonable one.

I dont think its to wise to be spending millions and millions, we have done it before and are now paying the price.
We have spent on Miller, Gunarrson, Mason, Turner and the other free transfer would have come with inflated wages and of course a signing on fee. I think we have spent more than people realise.

Beckford at 3m is overinflated by about 2m IMO.
Like MM has said it about getting the right players so if we have to wait a little longer than so be it.
I dont think it lacks ambition by the board, its just they are doing what is right for the club and not risking the clubs future.

im happy with the signings, just 3 or 4 loans be happy then or maybe another free agent

MM as stated if the players he wanted.were available at the right.price he would have brought them in . I think he as done very well so far , so let's see what happens in the loan market and where we are in January when the next window opens. See what we do then , if we're near the top perhaps we can judge theirambition then .

Beckford had a 20k a week pay rise, hes on 40k a week in championship! Id be mortified if the board did something ridiculous like that.

Beckford was never in the championshp, he went straight from league one Leeds to premiership everton if I'm
not mistaken.

Oh dearie dearie me, I hope you realise Beckford's gone to Leicester.

Its quite simple, we dont have any money to spend.

But we have a Billionaire owner who has the desire to succeed and get to the premier league, surely £5 million of his own money would not dent his fortune that much and if we were promoted would enhance his fortune.

in fairness nobby look at abramovich at chelsea at the moment 75 million in january for two flops and millions more this window.
money and inflated wages does not guarantee everything as we have seen in the last few years under ridsdale and jones.
at least malky is building a squad with younger players that will be around next year and not be ready for the knackers yard as the like of fowler was.
lets wait and see what happens when the loan window opens before we start criticising malky or the malaysians for lack of ambition or investment.
we have still to see the best of gunnarson, kiss and mcphail yet so i think the start to the season has been a reasonable one.

£5 million would not be breaking the bank when your a billionaire though, even if it was was another two players at a million each i would have been happy as they would have been OUR players and could have been potential future assets and investment for the club if they became successful and sold on, i am merely looking at the bigger picture.

I dont think its to wise to be spending millions and millions, we have done it before and are now paying the price.
We have spent on Miller, Gunarrson, Mason, Turner and the other free transfer would have come with inflated wages and of course a signing on fee. I think we have spent more than people realise.

Beckford at 3m is overinflated by about 2m IMO.
Like MM has said it about getting the right players so if we have to wait a little longer than so be it.
I dont think it lacks ambition by the board, its just they are doing what is right for the club and not risking the clubs future.

Beckford is a steal at £3 million, he has ripped some teams apart in the premier league when he has been given the chance. Also when Maynard is rated at £6 million and Long went for £7 million then £3 million is a snip.

im happy with the signings, just 3 or 4 loans be happy then or maybe another free agent

I am more than happy with the 10 players we have brought in, but as a team we are still not quite good enough for promotion, which the Malaysians have stated is their aim. We still need at least 3 more quality signings which will now have to be on loan where i would rather have got them in on permanet deals during the transfer window.

ye saying that loans cost us last season,so i would have rather brought players in from the transfer window,now we need about 3 loans and maybe a free agent

Its quite simple, we dont have any money to spend.

But we have a Billionaire owner who has the desire to succeed and get to the premier league, surely £5 million of his own money would not dent his fortune that much and if we were promoted would enhance his fortune.

in fairness nobby look at abramovich at chelsea at the moment 75 million in january for two flops and millions more this window.
money and inflated wages does not guarantee everything as we have seen in the last few years under ridsdale and jones.
at least malky is building a squad with younger players that will be around next year and not be ready for the knackers yard as the like of fowler was.
lets wait and see what happens when the loan window opens before we start criticising malky or the malaysians for lack of ambition or investment.
we have still to see the best of gunnarson, kiss and mcphail yet so i think the start to the season has been a reasonable one.

£5 million would not be breaking the bank when your a billionaire though, even if it was was another two players at a million each i would have been happy as they would have been OUR players and could have been potential future assets and investment for the club if they became successful and sold on, i am merely looking at the bigger picture.

if the players are not there or available then we have to look at loans. Malky has already said in an interview that he investigates a player as to why he is available before signing him.
what we dont need is the panic button pushed as jones did in january and end up with the likes of parkin, jay lloyd and bywater in your squad

£5 million would not be breaking the bank when your a billionaire though, even if it was was another two players at a million each i would have been happy as they would have been OUR players and could have been potential future assets and investment for the club if they became successful and sold on, i am merely looking at the bigger picture.

Unfortunately Nobby it's not your bank to break and even if VT is a billionaire we have no right to expect him to gamble £5m on this window and then presumably the January window and again next summer if we fail to go up or need strengthening in the Premiership.

There is also the matter of the UEFA fair play rules which come into force soon which means each football club needs to work within its own generated funds. In fairness to the Malaysians they are giving every penny (apparently £20m) we generate back to the manager for him to invest in fees and wages.

A £20m budget is an amazing amount if you consider that only a few years ago we were generating only £5-6m per season. Personally I would like to see more investment in marketing and getting fans to spend more on club merchandising so we are generating more of our own funds which can then be spent on the team.

Frankly loading the club with more debt (because there is no way VT will gift £5m) is NOT the answer and after what has happened to us over the past 10 years (several High Court winding up appearances) that should be abundantly clear.

Has there been a club that has bought its way out of the championship, I honestly cant think of one. The main criteria of getting out of this league is getting the chemistry right, a unit that wants to play as one with pride. We have had individuals i.e Bothroyd & Chopra. I believe we have as much chance of any other team in this league to push for promotion with the squad we have got, remember we have the likes of McPhail & Kiss coming back into the fold. Its all about the right motivation, the commitment and self belief.

I would never wanted us to do a Sven.

But I would of like us to have given MM a budget of 5 million and told him to find some gems.

Goodwillie was the perfect type of player.

It would be VT's money.

But VT would of got the rewards if we made it do the Prem.

Spend money to make money.

£5 million would not be breaking the bank when your a billionaire though, even if it was was another two players at a million each i would have been happy as they would have been OUR players and could have been potential future assets and investment for the club if they became successful and sold on, i am merely looking at the bigger picture.

Unfortunately Nobby it's not your bank to break and even if VT is a billionaire we have no right to expect him to gamble £5m on this window and then presumably the January window and again next summer if we fail to go up or need strengthening in the Premiership.

There is also the matter of the UEFA fair play rules which come into force soon which means each football club needs to work within its own generated funds. In fairness to the Malaysians they are giving every penny (apparently £20m) we generate back to the manager for him to invest in fees and wages.

A £20m budget is an amazing amount if you consider that only a few years ago we were generating only £5-6m per season. Personally I would like to see more investment in marketing and getting fans to spend more on club merchandising so we are generating more of our own funds which can then be spent on the team.

Frankly loading the club with more debt (because there is no way VT will gift £5m) is NOT the answer and after what has happened to us over the past 10 years (several High Court winding up appearances) that should be abundantly clear.

Good points Tony.

We have to be realistic.

Leicester and West Ham are gambling. We aren't.

I'm enjoying this season more because I think we are moving toward being a club that is going to develop over 5 years, not shit or bust again.

Last year every defeat felt like a knife wound, because we were all worried about what would happen if we didn't go up. The Malaysians have put their hands in their pockets again (we've spent well over £2m on transfers and brought in a very decent batch of players) and its a little unrealistic to expect too much more.

£5 million would not be breaking the bank when your a billionaire though, even if it was was another two players at a million each i would have been happy as they would have been OUR players and could have been potential future assets and investment for the club if they became successful and sold on, i am merely looking at the bigger picture.

Unfortunately Nobby it's not your bank to break and even if VT is a billionaire we have no right to expect him to gamble £5m on this window and then presumably the January window and again next summer if we fail to go up or need strengthening in the Premiership.

There is also the matter of the UEFA fair play rules which come into force soon which means each football club needs to work within its own generated funds. In fairness to the Malaysians they are giving every penny (apparently £20m) we generate back to the manager for him to invest in fees and wages.

A £20m budget is an amazing amount if you consider that only a few years ago we were generating only £5-6m per season. Personally I would like to see more investment in marketing and getting fans to spend more on club merchandising so we are generating more of our own funds which can then be spent on the team.

Frankly loading the club with more debt (because there is no way VT will gift £5m) is NOT the answer and after what has happened to us over the past 10 years (several High Court winding up appearances) that should be abundantly clear.

Tony, your argument is a feasible one, but if we have a budget of £20 million then where is this money generated from. As a club we have been running insolvent for the past few years, our crowds have signifcantly improved since we moved to the new stadium but they still do not create revenue consisting of £20 million pound. Also the running costs of the club aside from the playing budget, where is all the money accumulating from. The Malaysians MUST be contributing from their fortune to keep us afloat at present, unless the debt is still spiralling out of control without us knowing, whats your opinion.

Beckford had a 20k a week pay rise, hes on 40k a week in championship! Id be mortified if the board did something ridiculous like that.

Beckford was never in the championshp, he went straight from league one Leeds to premiership everton if I'm
not mistaken.

Oh dearie dearie me, I hope you realise Beckford's gone to Leicester.

I did not, leicesters transfers are of no concern to me, my mistake but your arrogant response was not needed.

Good points Tony.

We have to be realistic.

Leicester and West Ham are gambling. We aren't.

I'm enjoying this season more because I think we are moving toward being a club that is going to develop over 5 years, not shit or bust again.

Last year every defeat felt like a knife wound, because we were all worried about what would happen if we didn't go up. The Malaysians have put their hands in their pockets again (we've spent well over £2m on transfers and brought in a very decent batch of players) and its a little unrealistic to expect too much more.

Couldn't put that better Tim each defeat last season was like a knife in the back.

In contrast I'm really enjoying this season and even the Brighton defeat had a positive in that the team kept going and got that late goal.

£5 million would not be breaking the bank when your a billionaire though, even if it was was another two players at a million each i would have been happy as they would have been OUR players and could have been potential future assets and investment for the club if they became successful and sold on, i am merely looking at the bigger picture.

Unfortunately Nobby it's not your bank to break and even if VT is a billionaire we have no right to expect him to gamble £5m on this window and then presumably the January window and again next summer if we fail to go up or need strengthening in the Premiership.

There is also the matter of the UEFA fair play rules which come into force soon which means each football club needs to work within its own generated funds. In fairness to the Malaysians they are giving every penny (apparently £20m) we generate back to the manager for him to invest in fees and wages.

A £20m budget is an amazing amount if you consider that only a few years ago we were generating only £5-6m per season. Personally I would like to see more investment in marketing and getting fans to spend more on club merchandising so we are generating more of our own funds which can then be spent on the team.

Frankly loading the club with more debt (because there is no way VT will gift £5m) is NOT the answer and after what has happened to us over the past 10 years (several High Court winding up appearances) that should be abundantly clear.

Tony, your argument is a feasible one, but if we have a budget of £20 million then where is this money generated from. As a club we have been running insolvent for the past few years, our crowds have signifcantly improved since we moved to the new stadium but they still do not create revenue consisting of £20 million pound. Also the running costs of the club aside from the playing budget, where is all the money accumulating from. The Malaysians MUST be contributing from their fortune to keep us afloat at present, unless the debt is still spiralling out of control without us knowing, whats your opinion.

Nobby, the Malaysians have been loaning money to the club and then turning most of the loans to shares to make up the deficit.

Our debts have fallen further due to PMG, Borley and Isaacs turning their old debts to shares too.

If our budget is £20m then the Malaysians will no doubt be putting a big chunk in themselves again this year.

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Tony, your argument is a feasible one, but if we have a budget of £20 million then where is this money generated from. As a club we have been running insolvent for the past few years, our crowds have signifcantly improved since we moved to the new stadium but they still do not create revenue consisting of £20 million pound. Also the running costs of the club aside from the playing budget, where is all the money accumulating from. The Malaysians MUST be contributing from their fortune to keep us afloat at present, unless the debt is still spiralling out of control without us knowing, whats your opinion.

The annual accounts for the first season at CCS showed the club had a turnover of £18m, which came from Ticket sales, TV, Merchantdising etc.

Since then our average crowds have increased further so it is safe to assume that we are now generating around £20m per season.

Yes you are correct that for the first year the Malaysians had to bank roll the club to the tune of £1.1m per month because Ridsdale had spent all the season ticket money before leaving.

However, the club must be on a much more stable footing because a lot of big earners have moved on in the summer and been replaced by players like Conway, Earnshaw and Cowie who would command much less than those who have gone,

I would assume that the Malaysians are still putting smaller amounts of money in because the revenue streams are patchy, but February will see season tickets on sale again and this should ensue we spend in January for a final promotion push.

In theory this should ensure the club is not loaded with debt, but there is bound to be a small amount which hopefully will be managable.

£5 million would not be breaking the bank when your a billionaire though, even if it was was another two players at a million each i would have been happy as they would have been OUR players and could have been potential future assets and investment for the club if they became successful and sold on, i am merely looking at the bigger picture.

Unfortunately Nobby it's not your bank to break and even if VT is a billionaire we have no right to expect him to gamble £5m on this window and then presumably the January window and again next summer if we fail to go up or need strengthening in the Premiership.

There is also the matter of the UEFA fair play rules which come into force soon which means each football club needs to work within its own generated funds. In fairness to the Malaysians they are giving every penny (apparently £20m) we generate back to the manager for him to invest in fees and wages.

A £20m budget is an amazing amount if you consider that only a few years ago we were generating only £5-6m per season. Personally I would like to see more investment in marketing and getting fans to spend more on club merchandising so we are generating more of our own funds which can then be spent on the team.

Frankly loading the club with more debt (because there is no way VT will gift £5m) is NOT the answer and after what has happened to us over the past 10 years (several High Court winding up appearances) that should be abundantly clear.

Tony, your argument is a feasible one, but if we have a budget of £20 million then where is this money generated from. As a club we have been running insolvent for the past few years, our crowds have signifcantly improved since we moved to the new stadium but they still do not create revenue consisting of £20 million pound. Also the running costs of the club aside from the playing budget, where is all the money accumulating from. The Malaysians MUST be contributing from their fortune to keep us afloat at present, unless the debt is still spiralling out of control without us knowing, whats your opinion.

Nobby, the Malaysians have been loaning money to the club and then turning most of the loans to shares to make up the deficit.

Our debts have fallen further due to PMG, Borley and Isaacs turning their old debts to shares too.

If our budget is £20m then the Malaysians will no doubt be putting a big chunk in themselves again this year.

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I am fully aware about the loans to shares scenario, but NO loans are being paid off financially, the Langston debt has not been reduced since they tookover, the only debts that have been reduced are loans accrued by internal investment by board members who were awilling for their back payment be returned by shares.

You also say that a big chunk of money will be given by the Malaysians, then why couldnt they give a little more for signings thats my argument.

Does anyone know what debts are being settled and how much exactly the Malaysians have invested in the club, also are we still running insolvent or is there enough revenue being generated for us to run efficiently.

What is our current debt, i think you will find it has INCREASED since the Malaysians have come on board.

What is our current debt, i think you will find it has INCREASED since the Malaysians have come on board.

Yet you still want them to chuck another 5m in the pot though

What is our current debt, i think you will find it has INCREASED since the Malaysians have come on board.

Yet you still want them to chuck another 5m in the pot though

Yes i do, there are people in this thread that have said they have chucked some money in, then i just want them to chuck MORE money in for us to progress on the pitch and to CLEAR more and more debts off the pitch, is that the wrong thing to want.

What is our current debt, i think you will find it has INCREASED since the Malaysians have come on board.

Yet you still want them to chuck another 5m in the pot though

Yes i do, there are people in this thread that have said they have chucked some money in, then i just want them to chuck MORE money in for us to progress on the pitch and to CLEAR more and more debts off the pitch, is that the wrong thing to want.

I would say yes Nobby.

The Malaysians will not 'chuck' money at the club now without getting something in return even if it’s a loan note i.e. loading the club with ‘debt’.

Frankly we can't have the best of both worlds and the money has to be generated somehow as you simply cannot rely on it coming out of a hat along with a rabbit.

However, looking to the near future it is my belief that once we are in the Premiership and VT has his betting licence in Malaysia we will be self-sufficient through massive sponsorship deals with Ascot Sports (VT's betting company).

Unfortunately VT obtaining a betting licence is fort with problems as Malaysia has a 52% Muslim majority who will kick up an unholy fuss about fellow non-Muslim’s being allowed to gamble.

That said I believe that CCFC being in the Premiership would help VT’s ambition (Because of the overwhelming popularity of Premiership football in that country) and apparently VT has been promised a licence in 2013 (source a question asked in the Malaysian Parliament)

So it would make sense from VT’s prospective to hold off massive investment at this time because his licence won’t materialise for at least 2 years, but if we could get promoted in the meantime through our own efforts then all to the good for him and his business partners.