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Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:14 am
I voted yes, but only in the case of ganja. In my mind there is no reason it should be illeagal. It would minimize crime, let police officers get on with some real work rather than bust a bunch of 17 year olds for smoking it, and would make stupidly massive amounts of money in tax revenue.
It'd also kick the shit out of the tabacco industry.
It baffles me how alcohol is legal and weed isn't. Ask yourself which hypothetical situation you'd trust yourself in more, if you were next to the edge on a cliff drunk, or on the edge of a cliff stoned.
I know that's an extreme example, but I know which i'd rather be.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:45 am
hooligan858 wrote:I voted yes, but only in the case of ganja. In my mind there is no reason it should be illeagal. It would minimize crime, let police officers get on with some real work rather than bust a bunch of 17 year olds for smoking it, and would make stupidly massive amounts of money in tax revenue.
It'd also kick the shit out of the tabacco industry.
It baffles me how alcohol is legal and weed isn't. Ask yourself which hypothetical situation you'd trust yourself in more, if you were next to the edge on a cliff drunk, or on the edge of a cliff stoned.
I know that's an extreme example, but I know which i'd rather be.
Cannabis psychosis is not pretty; institutions are now full of people who have had one spliff too many. It can have long term effects.
But I agree that tobacco and alcohol can also be very dangerous.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:07 am
hooligan858 wrote:I voted yes, but only in the case of ganja. In my mind there is no reason it should be illeagal. It would minimize crime, let police officers get on with some real work rather than bust a bunch of 17 year olds for smoking it, and would make stupidly massive amounts of money in tax revenue.
It'd also kick the shit out of the tabacco industry.
It baffles me how alcohol is legal and weed isn't. Ask yourself which hypothetical situation you'd trust yourself in more, if you were next to the edge on a cliff drunk, or on the edge of a cliff stoned.
I know that's an extreme example, but I know which i'd rather be.
Mate, I agree with everything you say. Weed is so much less harmful than alcohol. Look at what happened when alcohol was made illegal... the prohibition era happened. I'm not sure it's wise to make cocaine etc legal because enough people use that as it is. It's a tough one but as a starting point I'd definitely legalise weed.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:15 am
I'm not sure if it would cut crime, as has been suggested in some quarters. People are still addicted to alcohol and will still go thieving to support their alcohol addiction, so drug related crime wouldn't be totally wiped out. But the scumbag dealers would probably be wiped out, which would be a good thing
Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:06 am
AfricanBluebird wrote:hooligan858 wrote:I voted yes, but only in the case of ganja. In my mind there is no reason it should be illeagal. It would minimize crime, let police officers get on with some real work rather than bust a bunch of 17 year olds for smoking it, and would make stupidly massive amounts of money in tax revenue.
It'd also kick the shit out of the tabacco industry.
It baffles me how alcohol is legal and weed isn't. Ask yourself which hypothetical situation you'd trust yourself in more, if you were next to the edge on a cliff drunk, or on the edge of a cliff stoned.
I know that's an extreme example, but I know which i'd rather be.
Cannabis psychosis is not pretty; institutions are now full of people who have had one spliff too many. It can have long term effects.
But I agree that tobacco and alcohol can also be very dangerous.
thee only trouble with pot is after 20-30 years of smoking you wouldnt find yourself at the top of the cliff....more like in the armchair putting the world to right talking shite.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:22 am
some of the weed you get is more powerful than i think some of you realise! legalise normal soap bar then fine, because no-one smokes that anymore. Some of the skunk you buy is ridiculous.....too much of a grey area, just lock everyone up who is in possession of any type of drug.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:23 am
CraigCCFC wrote:some of the weed you get is more powerful than i think some of you realise! legalise normal soap bar then fine, because no-one smokes that anymore. Some of the skunk you buy is ridiculous.....too much of a grey area, just lock everyone up who is in possession of any type of drug.

Even though I disagree with you, I have nothing but respect for your no BS zero tolerance approach!
Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:26 am
YES -
If people want to take drugs they will, no matter what, I can get whatever whenever, not that I want to mind.
It would be safer for users and the public if it was legal, the drugs would be legal, overdoses would drop dramatically.
If it was done properly - regulated and taxed it would work.
Prohabition has never worked and it never will.
The war on drugs is even more doomed to failure than the war on terror.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:27 am
CraigCCFC wrote:some of the weed you get is more powerful than i think some of you realise! legalise normal soap bar then fine, because no-one smokes that anymore. Some of the skunk you buy is ridiculous.....too much of a grey area, just lock everyone up who is in possession of any type of drug.
Weed is legal in Amsterdam, I have many friends who are from and live there and not one of them smokes.
The fact it's legal doesn't make people more likely to smoke it, in fact it seems to do the opposite.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:28 am
Oh my god, when did they get made illegal, wish someone ha

d told me.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:37 am
No. It would push the price up.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:44 am
CF14-SE14 wrote:CraigCCFC wrote:some of the weed you get is more powerful than i think some of you realise! legalise normal soap bar then fine, because no-one smokes that anymore. Some of the skunk you buy is ridiculous.....too much of a grey area, just lock everyone up who is in possession of any type of drug.
Weed is legal in Amsterdam, I have many friends who are from and live there and not one of them smokes.
The fact it's legal doesn't make people more likely to smoke it, in fact it seems to do the opposite.
sorry me old china, weed is illegal in amsterdam, it is just "tolerated" in coffee shops, you get caught in the street with it and see what happens!! speaking from experiance here
Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:46 am
polo wrote:No. It would push the price up.
spot on mate!
people would still go to dealers because of this!!! imagine the price of weed nowadays plus about 25% then you get ur VAT on for the government, and to appease the anti-drug vote they would probably price it out of reach

just like fags and booze is heading that way.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:49 am
Zabier wrote:CraigCCFC wrote:some of the weed you get is more powerful than i think some of you realise! legalise normal soap bar then fine, because no-one smokes that anymore. Some of the skunk you buy is ridiculous.....too much of a grey area, just lock everyone up who is in possession of any type of drug.

Even though I disagree with you, I have nothing but respect for your no BS zero tolerance approach!

im so anti-drugs now because i almost lost everything 10 yrs ago because of my ecstacy and cocaine habit (i noly started smoking weed at about 14 and it does usually spiral out of control), i've gone from one extreme to the other!!!
Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:07 am
What I don't understand is if the Government was serious about fighting drugs then they are in a perfect situation here to strike a massive blow to it's production.
I mean most of the drugs come from Afganistan don't they? So a well placed fire bomb over that big green patch would kill production dead.
The fact that they've not done this must mean a deal has gone on somewhere.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:14 am
CraigCCFC wrote:CF14-SE14 wrote:CraigCCFC wrote:some of the weed you get is more powerful than i think some of you realise! legalise normal soap bar then fine, because no-one smokes that anymore. Some of the skunk you buy is ridiculous.....too much of a grey area, just lock everyone up who is in possession of any type of drug.
Weed is legal in Amsterdam, I have many friends who are from and live there and not one of them smokes.
The fact it's legal doesn't make people more likely to smoke it, in fact it seems to do the opposite.
sorry me old china, weed is illegal in amsterdam, it is just "tolerated" in coffee shops, you get caught in the street with it and see what happens!! speaking from experiance here

You're probably right, but it's still legal to smoke it in your house, and it is still smoked by a smaller percentage to here.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:35 am
People who say smoking weed does not lead to harder drugs aint got a clue.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:03 am
polo wrote:People who say smoking weed does not lead to harder drugs aint got a clue.
I'm 21, was a heavy HEAVY user of weed until about a month ago, for about 3 years. I've had other drugs put infront of me on a plata (literally) and have never tried any of them. Same with a lot of my mates. I think that it only leads to harder things for people with no will power in the first place.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:05 am
hooligan858 wrote:polo wrote:People who say smoking weed does not lead to harder drugs aint got a clue.
I'm 21, .
Say no more
Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:18 am
polo wrote:hooligan858 wrote:polo wrote:People who say smoking weed does not lead to harder drugs aint got a clue.
I'm 21, .
Say no more
It doesn't always though does it?
Some people will move on to harder drugs whatever they started on, cigarettes, caffeine etc.
Others will never ever go any stronger than a bit of cannabis.
You cannot generalise everyone, so your point is flawed.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:35 am
anyone who smokes weed is a loser FACT!
SORT YOURSELFS OUT
Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:48 am
No. our society is already fucked up, if there would be a referendum, I'm fairly sure the law would pass, because a typical youngster likes to smoke once in a while (talking about people in my country), even though you can say "oh weed isn't a drug trolololo" but it is. I'm not against weed by no means, but just don't legalise it. Better work on things like poker and stuff
Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:49 am
also, smoking weed definitely does not lead to using stronger drugs, if you have no will - perhaps it will lead, but generally it def doesn't, people are much smarter these days to not start using that shit.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:51 am
Ben wrote:anyone who smokes weed is a loser FACT!
SORT YOURSELFS OUT
Agree, and its stinks.
Dirty stinking smelly Barstards.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:00 am
AfricanBluebird wrote:Cannabis psychosis is not pretty; institutions are now full of people who have had one spliff too many.
No they are not.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:04 am
Ben wrote:anyone who smokes weed is a loser FACT!
SORT YOURSELFS OUT
I will sort myself out tomorrow mate. I just can't be bothered today and I really want to stuff myself with chocolate, listen to reggae and watch the telly with the sound down.
Seriously though, although I don't smoke ganja these days I really don't see it as a danger to society. I'd rather the police gave up on the stuff and concentrated on the likes of heroin and crack which destroys lives and increases crime. I met someone the other day who has a 600 quid per day crack and smack habit. He does not have a job. I wonder where he gets his money from.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:23 am
The only achievement of prohibition is that drugs are now more freely available and cheaper than ever before.
In this country we criminalise addiction instead of medicalising it. Take drugs out of the hands of armed gangsters, you would have an instant positive impact on countries like columbia and brazil and offer millions across the globe a safer life plus generate tax and offer safe substances in this country. The human race has always sought to alter its conciousness from the dawn of time. Why pretend that drug use to escape, mediate, or just get off it is a new thing?
control quality and sale and you would automatically put massive distance between youngsters getting into dangerous stuff like crack and heroin.
Recreational drugs like ecstacy and cannabis should have been fully legalised years ago. The scaremongering around cannabis induced psychosis is a red herring. Any heavy susbstance abuse will induce psychosis - alcohol, tobacco and even caffine all have psychoactive effects.
Legalise it all and lets have some progressive forward thinking and brave politics for once. Not reacting to the Daily Mail readership.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:25 am
CF14-SE14 wrote:polo wrote:hooligan858 wrote:polo wrote:People who say smoking weed does not lead to harder drugs aint got a clue.
I'm 21, .
Say no more
It doesn't always though does it?
Some people will move on to harder drugs whatever they started on, cigarettes, caffeine etc.
Others will never ever go any stronger than a bit of cannabis.
You cannot generalise everyone, so your point is flawed.
I didnt realise going to buy a pack of cigarettes or drinking coffee was illegal??
There are exceptions to any argument, I cannot be arsed to go googling the market research, but I would imagine it would back me up when I say most people who take Class A's started off smoking a bit of weed.
Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:25 am
quadsas wrote:No. our society is already fucked up, if there would be a referendum, I'm fairly sure the law would pass, because a typical youngster likes to smoke once in a while (talking about people in my country), even though you can say "oh weed isn't a drug trolololo" but it is. I'm not against weed by no means, but just don't legalise it. Better work on things like poker and stuff
Weed and poker go hand in hand

.
As for a referendum, I think in reality the no vote would pass with at least 70%. Although I and friends would be campaigning tirelessly for the yes!
Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:29 am
quadsas wrote:also, smoking weed definitely does not lead to using stronger drugs, if you have no will - perhaps it will lead, but generally it def doesn't, people are much smarter these days to not start using that shit.
There are more people taking coke now then there has ever been so thats bollocks
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