KENNY MILLER - An act of desperation?

Today I have been studying Miller's record in English league football and have come out less than impressed.

There are long periods of him playing out of position and not even in the team at all that makes me think that Miller, aged 31, will be no replacement for the less than committed Chops and Jade.

I am old enough to remember the great impact made by Bob Hatton in 1983 (but not quite John Charles) but I feel that Mr Miller's better days are left well behind him in Scotland.

Lets just hope that MM is the new Len Ashurt with his patchwork quilt team.

has a goal every 2.8 games thru out his career, not bad for someone who spent long periods playing out of position and he played a full season with a terrible derby county side in the premier league, not quite as good as earnie hes got a goal every 2.2 games.
an excellant signing for the money in my opinion

has a goal every 2.8 games thru out his career, not bad for someone who spent long periods playing out of position and he played a full season with a terrible derby county side in the premier league, not quite as good as earnie hes got a goal every 2.2 games.
an excellant signing for the money in my opinion

lol

By "studying" to you just mean, looked at his wikipedia page

Other than one season got double figures at this level every season he's been at this level

Scored in a Championship play-off final

Despite a wobble seems to have gained better form in recent years

£1million is a tad over priced but as an act of 'desperation' I think is a step too far to bring in 4 strikers (Gestede, Miller, Mason, Earnshaw) at a total of £1.25million and 9 players at about £1.5million still represents great value by MM

did anyone look at bothroyds average before joining us, and there again chops couldnt score in a brothel before we re signed him

I don't think Miller and Earnie record at Derby together was too good either but I am still excited by the prospect of them upfront together.

he's a good signing with great experience that might help us in the big games this season! he's not a premiership player but he will hopefully get us there!! I didnt realise he was that old either!

There are long periods of him playing out of position

So, if he plays in the correct position he will do well then I personally think he's a good buy and will do well up front with Earnie. I also think that he can play as a lone striker and, unlike Jones, Malky won't be loathe to change our formation during a game if things aren't going well and Miller would be pivotal to this plan

did anyone look at bothroyds average before joining us, and there again chops couldnt score in a brothel before we re signed him

Yeah, but Chopra reckoned he has scored everywhere he's been. If you exclude the Premiership, of course

did anyone look at bothroyds average before joining us, and there again chops couldnt score in a brothel before we re signed him

Yeah, but Chopra reckoned he has scored everywhere he's been. If you exclude the Premiership, of course

Chops scored about 1 in 3 in the Prem... hardly shabby.

did anyone look at bothroyds average before joining us, and there again chops couldnt score in a brothel before we re signed him

Yeah, but Chopra reckoned he has scored everywhere he's been. If you exclude the Premiership, of course

Chops scored about 1 in 3 in the Prem... hardly shabby.

He rarely played though. He couldn't cut it

He rarely played though. He couldn't cut it

Managed by Roy Keane.
Who decided to play him on the wing for the most part.

The guy still scored 1 in 3, playing out of position - and as we've seen, playing him wide, he was generally a non-factor.

I'd say that's a pretty good scoring record in the prem all things considered.

i think we should forget about what we have had ie chopra and just give kenny miller the suport he needs new players shouldnt hasve to proove themselves to us before they have even kicked a ball

He rarely played though. He couldn't cut it

Managed by Roy Keane.
Who decided to play him on the wing for the most part.

The guy still scored 1 in 3, playing out of position - and as we've seen, playing him wide, he was generally a non-factor.

I'd say that's a pretty good scoring record in the prem all things considered.

I'm sorry, mate, I've got to disagree with you on this one. I think he's an excellent Championship player, but nowhere near Premiership quality

Rangers sold him in Jan for £300K and now City buy him for £900K ....... surely for players of his age City should be paying less and not more now ??

Rangers sold him in Jan for £300K and now City buy him for £900K ....... surely for players of his age City should be paying less and not more now ??

I'm not sure about the price either, Martyn, it seems a little bit too much for a player of his age. But I'm excited about him coming here and his experience and possible versatility within the team could enable us to switch formations which will make us less predictable than under Jones

He's a decent squad player but over rated in terms of transfer fee IMO ....... but when he has the Blue shirt on then I will be 100% behind him

Rangers sold him in Jan for £300K and now City buy him for £900K ....... surely for players of his age City should be paying less and not more now ??

Last year of his contract at Rangers so risked losing him for nothing in January, Hence Buraspor getting him for a knock down price.

As for chopra he was shit last season, and the best part of the season before. People need to stop living on his former glorys.

The one thing we don't really need this season are players 'for-the-future' - with 12 faces gone, we need players who are experienced at this level and can hit the ground running - so i'm happy with this signing.

If we've got gestede (young, unproven and coming to the UK for the first time) *and* mason (young and unproven) then we deffo need the likes of miller and earnie plus one other (hopefully bellamy or goodwillie) if we're going to make any sort of challenge this year.

still light in midfield as well - another enforcer and a left winger.

On the right I'm really hoping this conway bloke is decent, coz cowie drifted infield way too much for my liking v celtic - so he have to be the backup in the centre after whitts & gunnarson - so, Malky, one more in centre mid please.

I think Joe Mason is going to play is part on playing up front with miller

Rangers sold him in Jan for £300K and now City buy him for £900K ....... surely for players of his age City should be paying less and not more now ??

Rangers sold him for £400,000 in January Martyn, but they only sold him so cheaply, because there wasn't much of his contract left and because he was on high wages, which I believe they were struggling to keep paying!

If you look at the players that the top 2 Scottish clubs (Rangers & Celtic) have brought in this Summer (which isn't many), none of them have been big transfer fees and I suspect that their wages wouldn't have been very high either!

I don't think that the transfer fee we are paying Bursaspor is excessive tbh, but I'm hoping that he's not getting the £25,000 per week, which it has been reported he is going to be getting!

Yes, I suspect that with Malky's reported £20 million war chest, we may well be able to afford him, but is his higher wages going to upset some of the newer signings and will it impact on any new target deals, like Goodwillie for example, who although it has been reported has already agreed terms, may change his mind if he feels undervalued?

Rangers sold him in Jan for £300K and now City buy him for £900K ....... surely for players of his age City should be paying less and not more now ??

Rangers sold him for £400,000 in January Martyn, but they only sold him so cheaply, because there wasn't much of his contract left and because he was on high wages, which I believe they were struggling to keep paying!

If you look at the players that the top 2 Scottish clubs (Rangers & Celtic) have brought in this Summer (which isn't many), none of them have been big transfer fees and I suspect that their wages wouldn't have been very high either!

I don't think that the transfer fee we are paying Bursaspor is excessive tbh, but I'm hoping that he's not getting the £25,000 per week, which it has been reported he is going to be getting!

Yes, I suspect that with Malky's reported £20 million war chest, we may well be able to afford him, but is his higher wages going to upset some of the newer signings and will it impact on any new target deals, like Goodwillie for example, who although it has been reported has already agreed terms, may change his mind if he feels undervalued?

Goodwillie should not expect to be on the same wages as someone like Kenny Miller.

He is just starting out, Kenny miller is an established international (Think he might even be captain of his country), and a proven goal scorer. As MM said, he has got better with age.

did anyone look at bothroyds average before joining us, and there again chops couldnt score in a brothel before we re signed him

Yeah, but Chopra reckoned he has scored everywhere he's been. If you exclude the Premiership, of course

Chops scored about 1 in 3 in the Prem... hardly shabby.

Not sure how nine goals from sixty Premiership appearances equates to one in three.

I'm shocked that fans think Miller is a poor signing.

The football IQ of a lot of Cardiff fans is piss poor.

I'm shocked that fans think Miller is a poor signing.

The football IQ of a lot of Cardiff fans is piss poor.

We could sign Lionel Messi and some fans would still find fault mate

Rangers sold him in Jan for £300K and now City buy him for £900K ....... surely for players of his age City should be paying less and not more now ??

Rangers sold him for £400,000 in January Martyn, but they only sold him so cheaply, because there wasn't much of his contract left and because he was on high wages, which I believe they were struggling to keep paying!

If you look at the players that the top 2 Scottish clubs (Rangers & Celtic) have brought in this Summer (which isn't many), none of them have been big transfer fees and I suspect that their wages wouldn't have been very high either!

I don't think that the transfer fee we are paying Bursaspor is excessive tbh, but I'm hoping that he's not getting the £25,000 per week, which it has been reported he is going to be getting!

Yes, I suspect that with Malky's reported £20 million war chest, we may well be able to afford him, but is his higher wages going to upset some of the newer signings and will it impact on any new target deals, like Goodwillie for example, who although it has been reported has already agreed terms, may change his mind if he feels undervalued?

Goodwillie should not expect to be on the same wages as someone like Kenny Miller.

He is just starting out, Kenny miller is an established international (Think he might even be captain of his country), and a proven goal scorer. As MM said, he has got better with age.

Goodwillie is also a proven goalscorer and 9 years younger than Miller!

With youth on his side, he may well turn out to be a far better player than Miller, although I agree that he shouldn't command quite the same wages as Miller atm!

My concern was that although he may well have not earned the right to such high wages atm, he or his agent may decide that if Miller can get X amount of money per month, then his player should get the same amount, or at least more than we've agreed to date!

Goodwillie is also a proven goalscorer and 9 years younger than Miller!

Who was top scorer in SPL last season despite playing half the season?

With youth on his side, he may well turn out to be a far better player than Miller, although I agree that he shouldn't command quite the same wages as Miller atm!

Maybe, but it's not an either-or situation.

[quote[My concern was that although he may well have not earned the right to such high wages atm, he or his agent may decide that if Miller can get X amount of money per month, then his player should get the same amount, or at least more than we've agreed to date! [/quote]

Depends if you believe the media figure of 25k.

i certainly don't.

Miller has got better with age. Hartson think's hes better than our "mob".

Miller is in his prime.

He is a 30 goal a season man in this league.

Less than a million.

Great pro for young players to look up to.

Act of desperation? f**k off!

Goodwillie is also a proven goalscorer and 9 years younger than Miller!

Who was top scorer in SPL last season despite playing half the season?

With youth on his side, he may well turn out to be a far better player than Miller, although I agree that he shouldn't command quite the same wages as Miller atm!

Maybe, but it's not an either-or situation.

[quote[My concern was that although he may well have not earned the right to such high wages atm, he or his agent may decide that if Miller can get X amount of money per month, then his player should get the same amount, or at least more than we've agreed to date!

Depends if you believe the media figure of 25k.

i certainly don't.[/quote]

I agree with most of your points, but Goodwillie was playing in a mediocre team, whilst Rangers ended up as champions, so you'd expect their main striker to end up with a decent goal tally, even though it's a great achievement by Miller to end up as top scorer when he only played half of their season, even in a shit league like the SPL!

It's not that I believe the figure of £25,000 per week that's been bandied around, just that I was hoping we weren't paying anything like that amount, which is what I posted aboove!