So how big a club are Swansea ?

When you consider that the stadium is owned by the council and that their supporters trust has 20% of the Club's shares ???

When you consider that the stadium is owned by the council and that their supporters trust has 20% of the Club's shares ???

Barcelona is owned entirely by the fans, are they a small club??

size wise,

they are not that big, meaning budgets, ground attendances, catchment, training facilities, youth systems, squad size, season ticket sales... operating costs, dont own their own ground... regardless to that they are quids in at the moment!!

When you consider that the stadium is owned by the council and that their supporters trust has 20% of the Club's shares ???

Barcelona is owned entirely by the fans, are they a small club??

I mean financially ...... so in effect part of the £90 mil could go to the council and the Trust , you a closet Jack then are you John Wayne ??

When you consider that the stadium is owned by the council and that their supporters trust has 20% of the Club's shares ???

Barcelona is owned entirely by the fans, are they a small club??

I mean financially ...... so in effect part of the £90 mil could go to the council and the Trust , you a closet Jack then are you John Wayne ??

was ur mouth out!!!!!

size wise,

they are not that big, meaning budgets, ground attendances, catchment, training facilities, youth systems, squad size, season ticket sales... operating costs, dont own their own ground... regardless to that they are quids in at the moment!!

wouldnt income from ST sales , match day sales and catering go to the Libery Stadium company rather than SCFC tho ?? I know the agreement they and the Ospreys have is to pay no rent for attendances under 16,000 .

financially it will depend what they spend to try and secure prem status...

at the mo, the have relatively low wage budget and outgoings.. but with the prem income over the season looking good, however if they up the wages by bringing in new players and payout big transfer fees, suddenly things wont look as rosie..

They already have to replace borini, and reports of pratley may be signing for bolton...

another thread about the jacks

When you consider that the stadium is owned by the council and that their supporters trust has 20% of the Club's shares ???

Are you asking to be banned!!

When you consider that the stadium is owned by the council and that their supporters trust has 20% of the Club's shares ???

Are you saying that Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Benfica and Sporting Lisbon are small clubs? These clubs are all owned and controlled by their fans.

Italian stadia are commonly owned by the municipalities or other public interest groups (e.g. Italian National Olympic Committee in case of the Stadio Olimpico in Rome). Would you describe AC Milan, Inter Milan, Roma, Lazio, Fiorentina and Juventus as small clubs?

Why would owning your club be seen as a negative? The approach seems to have got our small town "rivals" to the Premiership, and on a fraction of the budget we burned last season. The primary reason to own a stadium in British football would seem to be that it allows the "owners" to load even more preposterous amounts of debt on the clubs they control. In the end, it will always be the fans who are made to pick up the tab.

The way Swansea have gone about running their club is something to be respected. Perhaps we should be learning rather than mocking.

they ain't a big club, they have had crowds of 13,000 this season especially for mid week games and they were pushing for promotion, will they fill their ground for every game next season i doubt it, if they are in or around the bottom 3 come january or febuary and they've got fulham or blackburn home will they sell out i don't think so

financially it will depend what they spend to try and secure prem status...

at the mo, the have relatively low wage budget and outgoings.. but with the prem income over the season looking good, however if they up the wages by bringing in new players and payout big transfer fees, suddenly things wont look as rosie..

They already have to replace borini, and reports of pratley may be signing for bolton...

In 2007/8 the three lowest salary bills in the Premiership were Derby County Birmingham and Reading

26 million 26 million and 33 million respectively. They came, also respectively 20th, 19th and 18th

And that of course is not counting money they spent on transfer fees. Which you don't always get back.

I know Blackpoll spent a lot less this year, and did remarkably well but that seems to be a bit of an exception.

Despite the parachute payments clubs who come down hardly seem to be rolling in cash.

they ain't a big club, they have had crowds of 13,000 this season especially for mid week games and they were pushing for promotion, will they fill their ground for every game next season i doubt it, if they are in or around the bottom 3 come january or febuary and they've got fulham or blackburn home will they sell out i don't think so

I understand that Blackpool's average attendance in the Championship in 2009/10 was 8,108. This rose to an average of 15,779 in 2010/11 in the Premiership - a near doubling.

Swansea's average attendance this season has been 15,507. Their stadium capacity is currently just over 20,000. Considering that they will be playing in the Premiership, I would expect that they could fill most/all of their stadium following whatever capacity expansion plans they have in place for next season.

I fully expect to see a number of our fans there as well, assuming that they can get a ticket.

When you consider that the stadium is owned by the council and that their supporters trust has 20% of the Club's shares ???

oi mckenzie man, we're big enough we've reached the premier without breaking the bank,we'll always
be a big club with jack fans strutting around cardiff we've taken over wales mun deal with it

with jack fans strutting around cardiff

they ain't a big club, they have had crowds of 13,000 this season especially for mid week games and they were pushing for promotion, will they fill their ground for every game next season i doubt it, if they are in or around the bottom 3 come january or febuary and they've got fulham or blackburn home will they sell out i don't think so

I understand that Blackpool's average attendance in the Championship in 2009/10 was 8,108. This rose to an average of 15,779 in 2010/11 in the Premiership - a near doubling.

Swansea's average attendance this season has been 15,507. Their stadium capacity is currently just over 20,000. Considering that they will be playing in the Premiership, I would expect that they could fill most/all of their stadium following whatever capacity expansion plans they have in place for next season.

I fully expect to see a number of our fans there as well, assuming that they can get a ticket.

I seem to recall Swansea fans saying that their ground is not easily expandable.

As ours is relatively speaking "easily"expandable and even then any expansion to around 35,000 will cost from estimates I have seen anything from £6 million to £10 million , I would guess any significant expansion of the Liberty will cost a fair old whack.

they ain't a big club, they have had crowds of 13,000 this season especially for mid week games and they were pushing for promotion, will they fill their ground for every game next season i doubt it, if they are in or around the bottom 3 come january or febuary and they've got fulham or blackburn home will they sell out i don't think so

I understand that Blackpool's average attendance in the Championship in 2009/10 was 8,108. This rose to an average of 15,779 in 2010/11 in the Premiership - a near doubling.

Swansea's average attendance this season has been 15,507. Their stadium capacity is currently just over 20,000. Considering that they will be playing in the Premiership, I would expect that they could fill most/all of their stadium following whatever capacity expansion plans they have in place for next season.

I fully expect to see a number of our fans there as well, assuming that they can get a ticket.

so did 15,507 make blackpool a big club no and who would pay for any expansion to the stadium could the council use rate payers money to expand it and then the club gets relegated how would a rate payer who has no interest in sport feel about that

they ain't a big club, they have had crowds of 13,000 this season especially for mid week games and they were pushing for promotion, will they fill their ground for every game next season i doubt it, if they are in or around the bottom 3 come january or febuary and they've got fulham or blackburn home will they sell out i don't think so

I understand that Blackpool's average attendance in the Championship in 2009/10 was 8,108. This rose to an average of 15,779 in 2010/11 in the Premiership - a near doubling.

Swansea's average attendance this season has been 15,507. Their stadium capacity is currently just over 20,000. Considering that they will be playing in the Premiership, I would expect that they could fill most/all of their stadium following whatever capacity expansion plans they have in place for next season.

I fully expect to see a number of our fans there as well, assuming that they can get a ticket.

I seem to recall Swansea fans saying that their ground is not easily expandable.

As ours is relatively speaking "easily"expandable and even then any expansion to around 35,000 will cost from estimates I have seen anything from £6 million to £10 million , I would guess any significant expansion of the Liberty will cost a fair old whack.

From what I have read, I think that Swansea are hoping to fill a few of the gaps inherent in the Liberty's current design. That would result in nothing like the expansion potential of the CCS. Looking at the experience of other promoted clubs, I would estimate that a 25,000 seater would be ideal for Swansea in the Premiership.

When you consider that the stadium is owned by the council and that their supporters trust has 20% of the Club's shares ???

oi mckenzie man, we're big enough we've reached the premier without breaking the bank,we'll always
be a big club with jack fans strutting around cardiff we've taken over wales mun deal with it

It's a different ball game in the Premiership. You'll need to spend far more cash to stay there.

they ain't a big club, they have had crowds of 13,000 this season especially for mid week games and they were pushing for promotion, will they fill their ground for every game next season i doubt it, if they are in or around the bottom 3 come january or febuary and they've got fulham or blackburn home will they sell out i don't think so

I understand that Blackpool's average attendance in the Championship in 2009/10 was 8,108. This rose to an average of 15,779 in 2010/11 in the Premiership - a near doubling.

Swansea's average attendance this season has been 15,507. Their stadium capacity is currently just over 20,000. Considering that they will be playing in the Premiership, I would expect that they could fill most/all of their stadium following whatever capacity expansion plans they have in place for next season.

I fully expect to see a number of our fans there as well, assuming that they can get a ticket.

so did 15,507 make blackpool a big club no and who would pay for any expansion to the stadium could the council use rate payers money to expand it and then the club gets relegated how would a rate payer who has no interest in sport feel about that

I am merely providing the published facts of Blackpool's experience and am trying to extrapolate what that might mean for Swansea (and the Liberty). Based on that experience, I would assume that Swansea will be looking urgently at ways to expand the Liberty's capacity in time for the start of next season. One suspects that the costs of any short-term expansion (in time for the start of next season) would be pretty marginal and a no-brainer from the Council's perspective. Of course Swansea are not a big club - the population of the city and its environs dictates that. We are the bigger club by far.

Hopefully, the discussion about stadium capacity will have relevance for us in 2012!

When you consider that the stadium is owned by the council and that their supporters trust has 20% of the Club's shares ???

oi mckenzie man, we're big enough we've reached the premier without breaking the bank,we'll always
be a big club with jack fans strutting around cardiff we've taken over wales mun deal with it

It's a different ball game in the Premiership. You'll need to spend far more cash to stay there.

They'll have more cash to spend, and I sense that they will use it wisely. It will be interesting to see how their style of football works in the Premiership and what kind of players they will be looking for. Given the playing style and budget, surely Rodgers will be looking at a fair few recruits from outside the British game. Perhaps we should do the same.

The Liberty is a council owned stadium shared by the City's football and rugby teams so exactly who would sort and fund the extending of the stadium then ?? Ospreys RFC may decide not to spend any money coz they are happy and would the Jacks board be happy to spend money for their rugby brothers to play in a larger capacity stadium ...... or would the council tax payers foot the bill ??? Just a thought like

With the help of the Ospreys & the Llanelli scarlets they could muster a crowd of around 40.000. Ok for a town in West Glamorgan.

its a concrete stadium, worse rthan ours

so many jacks with nice new black/white scarfs-

When you consider that the stadium is owned by the council and that their supporters trust has 20% of the Club's shares ???

oi mckenzie man, we're big enough we've reached the premier without breaking the bank,we'll always
be a big club with jack fans strutting around cardiff we've taken over wales mun deal with it

Gypos do tend to take over most places. Mainly uninvited

The Liberty Stadium is managed on behalf of the Council by a Stadium Management Company with the intention of making a profit every year which is then shared between the 3 partners Swansea Council, Swansea City FC and the Ospreys. To date the Council has not seen a single penny in return for their or rather the Swansea ratepayers contrinution.

Little wonder when the Stadium Management Company is run by Swansea City FC and the Ospreys who make sure that any profit from non footballing activities is used to offset the running costs of the Stadium thereby creating a subsidy situation for both the professional sports club.

Any profits from non football events such as last nights concert by Rod Stewart or JLS the weekend will just be absorbed into the kitty to cover the stadium costs. The same situation exists at the Keepmoat Stadium where the local authority had to reduce the asset value of the Stadium by over £29m to £500k because their auditors were unhappy that the Council were getting a zero return from a valueable asset.

Swansea had a similar situation with a £2.37m mortgage used to fit out the hospitality areas of the Liberty after 5 years of receiving no repayments against this mortgage they wrote it off as a bad debt. During those 5 years Swansea City received approx £800k per season in income.

Right now Swansea City are probably well placed to but the Liberty Stadium but with their current arrangement why should they.

They are a pathetically small club.

However, they do play good football and deserve to be in the premiership.

Even so, their stadium is an insult to architects in this world and the fact that they can't get anywhere near to filling that means they deserved to be fined heavily.

The council i think will reap there rewards next season IMO

The council i think will reap there rewards next season IMO

i agree, I think the council are spending quite a bit on the shanty town so they will need extra money from the shitty cuts our wonderful government has put on us

The council i think will reap there rewards next season IMO

The Council will make exactly the same anount of money from Swansea being in the PL as they did from last nights Rod Stewart Concert.

ZERO - Trust me