I would rather be a Pa@#* than A J@#€

That used to be sung but who is that offensive to ? The Jack or the Paki ? But if it was the other way round and it was I'd rather be a Jack than a Paki then who then would be offended then ? Or as I suspect a lot would only find it offensive to the Paki Why is that ?

That used to be sung but who is that offensive to ? The Jack or the Paki ? But if it was the other way round and it was I'd rather be a Jack than a Paki then who then would be offended then ? Or as I suspect a lot would only find it offensive to the Paki Why is that ?

The term 'paki' is offensive in itself. We all know the argument that 'paki' is just a shortened version of pakistani but anyone over the age of 40 knows that 'paki' is a derogatory term.

I think songs like this one are crossing the line

I think songs like this one are crossing the line

To who ? And why ?

I think songs like this one are crossing the line

Agree. It's the same with the pathetic 'rather wear a turban than a rose' dirge.

No place whatsover for racism at Cardiff City and that IS what it is.

But the abuse to the Jack is Ok and exceptable ? Just wandering like is it hypocritical ?

No, the jacks, call themselfs that, i call them jerks if thats racist i proudly admit to being one...the colour of the skin means nothing to me as long as they aint a JERK.. IS that a fair point????

But the abuse to the Jack is Ok and exceptable ? Just wandering like is it hypocritical ?

It is only abusive to the Swansea supporter if the term "Paki"is abusive (which you clearly intend it to be)or the chant doesn`t make sense. Mind you a lot of those involved in some of the more obscene chants at the City are either too young or too stupid - sometimes both - to understand what they are chanting and just blindly follow as it somehow make them feel that they "belong to the gang". Like a group sharing of a small total number of braincells.

Nothing wrong with banter or even mocking (amusing) chants but some of the racist chants , or some of those aimed at Dave Jones re the false personal claims against him in his life , are well over the top and just not acceptable in a civilised society.

(p.s. the words are "acceptable" not exceptable and "wondering" not wandering - for those who criticise immigrants to this country for not having a proper grasp of the English language).

No, the jacks, call themselfs that, i call them jerks if thats racist i proudly admit to being one...the colour of the skin means nothing to me as long as they aint a JERK.. IS that a fair point????

Yes they do refer themselves as Jacks but do they refer themselves as Gypos vermin or scum. But back to the Paki if the song was changed to Pakistani would that be OK ? I am not promoting that chant in any way I am just asking the question if it's hypocritical? Oh and to the tosser who is having a go at my grammar which ain't my strong point no need to get abusive . If you don't like my question don't answer all the posts I respect because they are just answering to the thread.

But the abuse to the Jack is Ok and exceptable ? Just wandering like is it hypocritical ?

'acceptable' even

Thank you blackswan. Posting on my phone so all over the place when I put something down the bloody phone changes it

No, the jacks, call themselfs that, i call them jerks if thats racist i proudly admit to being one...the colour of the skin means nothing to me as long as they aint a JERK.. IS that a fair point????

Yes they do refer themselves as Jacks but do they refer themselves as Gypos vermin or scum. But back to the Paki if the song was changed to Pakistani would that be OK ? I am not promoting that chant in any way I am just asking the question if it's hypocritical? Oh and to the tosser who is having a go at my grammar which ain't my strong point no need to get abusive . If you don't like my question don't answer all the posts I respect because they are just answering to the thread.

Even if the words were changed to Pakistani it would still be totally unacceptable.

What is the intention of the song ??? Fairly obviously the gist of it is that 'paki's' are the lowest of the low but...wait for it...the jacks are even lower.

i find it offensive "to me" tbh ... i also find it embarrasing being in the same crowd as those people! ... and its obviously offensive to asian people! people like chopra! ..... [if ive spelt anything wrong, i do apologise]

Thank you blackswan. Posting on my phone so all over the place when I put something down the bloody phone changes it

Here to help Mr.Nukes

Then it's totally ok for the abuse to be towards the Jacks but not the Pakistanis Ok I find that hypocritical. But I except it
And Chopra being offended ?? Excuse me but the Indians hate the Pakistanis more than anyone but you have to be White to be Racist . As Aherne said if there is any Neandrathol spelling mistakes I am very sorry for embarrassing the White race

Then it's totally ok for the abuse to be towards the Jacks but not the Pakistanis Ok I find that hypocritical. But I except it
And Chopra being offended ?? Excuse me but the Indians hate the Pakistanis more than anyone but you have to be White to be Racist . As Aherne said if there is any Neandrathol spelling mistakes I am very sorry for embarrassing the White race

thats just football banter with the jacks! .... the word "paki" is used for all asians. most of the shops are owned by indians but how many times have you heard someone say "paki shop"! ... my sisters boyfriend is indian and i know the abuse is kids have had in school. ...... btw have you been drinking? cause ive noticed youve been quite sharp today!

Then it's totally ok for the abuse to be towards the Jacks but not the Pakistanis Ok I find that hypocritical. But I except it
And Chopra being offended ?? Excuse me but the Indians hate the Pakistanis more than anyone but you have to be White to be Racist . As Aherne said if there is any Neandrathol spelling mistakes I am very sorry for embarrassing the White race

thats just football banter with the jacks! .... the word "paki" is used for all asians. most of the shops are owned by indians but how many times have you heard someone say "paki shop"! ... my sisters boyfriend is indian and i know the abuse is kids have had in school. ...... btw have you been drinking? cause ive noticed youve been quite sharp today!

No Chief i think its the total lack of it But if someone cant tell the difference between an Indian and Pakistani then that is there Problem. The truth is Aherne they hate each other with a passion. And thats the truth

Then it's totally ok for the abuse to be towards the Jacks but not the Pakistanis Ok I find that hypocritical. But I except it
And Chopra being offended ?? Excuse me but the Indians hate the Pakistanis more than anyone but you have to be White to be Racist . As Aherne said if there is any Neandrathol spelling mistakes I am very sorry for embarrassing the White race

Everything in the world is offensive or racist these days. Doesn't matter what you say, somebody will pounce on it.

I once asked a Pakistani man if the term "Paki" offended him. He said no. He preferred being called a "Paki" in the same way as someone from Glasgow was called a "Weegie" or in London a "Cockney". He also felt that the only people who seem to be offended by any such term these days was actually "other people". Few "Paki's" were bothered it but as soon as something happened the PC brigade and Human Rights folks were all over it, causing a fuss even though the people it was aimed at couldn't care less.

Maybe the world should stop being so sensitive. As a child many of us were brought up with "sticks and stones...." yet when we grow up we all seem to be so hurt by names. The same goes for this religous nonsense that goes on up here. "He called me a fenian/ornage b*stard" Well get over it. It's only a word.

The world has to lighten up, life is too short for petty nonsense.

That used to be sung but who is that offensive to ? The Jack or the Paki ? But if it was the other way round and it was I'd rather be a Jack than a Paki then who then would be offended then ? Or as I suspect a lot would only find it offensive to the Paki Why is that ?

I am not a racist but Paki is short for Pakastani end of.Its just the same as someone calling you a Brit because your British there is no difference. Would you take offence if someone called you a taff, probably not.I remember this chant from the 80s and although it might be considereds distasteful, it is no worse than many of the chants we hear every week.I am not saying that these chants are fine but the chant in question should not be singled out as any more racist than the current crop. I do agree that there should be a line established on what is acceptable or not but don't forget the whole point of these chants is to sometimes wind up the opposition fans and to be to PC might not have the same effect. Good debate though.

Then it's totally ok for the abuse to be towards the Jacks but not the Pakistanis Ok I find that hypocritical. But I except it
And Chopra being offended ?? Excuse me but the Indians hate the Pakistanis more than anyone but you have to be White to be Racist . As Aherne said if there is any Neandrathol spelling mistakes I am very sorry for embarrassing the White race

Everything in the world is offensive or racist these days. Doesn't matter what you say, somebody will pounce on it.

I once asked a Pakistani man if the term "Paki" offended him. He said no. He preferred being called a "Paki" in the same way as someone from Glasgow was called a "Weegie" or in London a "Cockney". He also felt that the only people who seem to be offended by any such term these days was actually "other people". Few "Paki's" were bothered it but as soon as something happened the PC brigade and Human Rights folks were all over it, causing a fuss even though the people it was aimed at couldn't care less.

Maybe the world should stop being so sensitive. As a child many of us were brought up with "sticks and stones...." yet when we grow up we all seem to be so hurt by names. The same goes for this religous nonsense that goes on up here. "He called me a fenian/ornage b*stard" Well get over it. It's only a word.

The world has to lighten up, life is too short for petty nonsense.

I agree with the setiment of quite a lot of what you've written; we are all way to bothered over what we all say these days BUT the word 'paki' is akin to the word 'nigger' as far as I'm concerned. It is a racist, derogatory term. No place for it anywhere.

Nukes, you paki c**t

Then it's totally ok for the abuse to be towards the Jacks but not the Pakistanis Ok I find that hypocritical. But I except it
And Chopra being offended ?? Excuse me but the Indians hate the Pakistanis more than anyone but you have to be White to be Racist . As Aherne said if there is any Neandrathol spelling mistakes I am very sorry for embarrassing the White race

Everything in the world is offensive or racist these days. Doesn't matter what you say, somebody will pounce on it.

I once asked a Pakistani man if the term "Paki" offended him. He said no. He preferred being called a "Paki" in the same way as someone from Glasgow was called a "Weegie" or in London a "Cockney". He also felt that the only people who seem to be offended by any such term these days was actually "other people". Few "Paki's" were bothered it but as soon as something happened the PC brigade and Human Rights folks were all over it, causing a fuss even though the people it was aimed at couldn't care less.

Maybe the world should stop being so sensitive. As a child many of us were brought up with "sticks and stones...." yet when we grow up we all seem to be so hurt by names. The same goes for this religous nonsense that goes on up here. "He called me a fenian/ornage b*stard" Well get over it. It's only a word.

The world has to lighten up, life is too short for petty nonsense.

the thing is ptb, more often than not the word "f*cking" is put in front of the word "paki" .... its not often have i heard it said in an innocent way! ... and if it was just an innocent word then why put it in the chant? and why call indians and other same coloured people it too? ... and also thank god we do live in a politically correct nation cause we dont want to go back to the days of monkey chants do we?

Everything in the world is offensive or racist these days. Doesn't matter what you say, somebody will pounce on it.

I once asked a Pakistani man if the term "Paki" offended him. He said no. He preferred being called a "Paki" in the same way as someone from Glasgow was called a "Weegie" or in London a "Cockney". He also felt that the only people who seem to be offended by any such term these days was actually "other people". Few "Paki's" were bothered it but as soon as something happened the PC brigade and Human Rights folks were all over it, causing a fuss even though the people it was aimed at couldn't care less.

Maybe the world should stop being so sensitive. As a child many of us were brought up with "sticks and stones...." yet when we grow up we all seem to be so hurt by names. The same goes for this religous nonsense that goes on up here. "He called me a fenian/ornage b*stard" Well get over it. It's only a word.

The world has to lighten up, life is too short for petty nonsense.

Cracking post.

The PC nutters have a lot to answer for.

Then it's totally ok for the abuse to be towards the Jacks but not the Pakistanis Ok I find that hypocritical. But I except it
And Chopra being offended ?? Excuse me but the Indians hate the Pakistanis more than anyone but you have to be White to be Racist . As Aherne said if there is any Neandrathol spelling mistakes I am very sorry for embarrassing the White race

Everything in the world is offensive or racist these days. Doesn't matter what you say, somebody will pounce on it.

I once asked a Pakistani man if the term "Paki" offended him. He said no. He preferred being called a "Paki" in the same way as someone from Glasgow was called a "Weegie" or in London a "Cockney". He also felt that the only people who seem to be offended by any such term these days was actually "other people". Few "Paki's" were bothered it but as soon as something happened the PC brigade and Human Rights folks were all over it, causing a fuss even though the people it was aimed at couldn't care less.

Maybe the world should stop being so sensitive. As a child many of us were brought up with "sticks and stones...." yet when we grow up we all seem to be so hurt by names. The same goes for this religous nonsense that goes on up here. "He called me a fenian/ornage b*stard" Well get over it. It's only a word.

The world has to lighten up, life is too short for petty nonsense.

the thing is ptb, more often than not the word "f*cking" is put in front of the word "paki" .... its not often have i heard it said in an innocent way! ... and if it was just an innocent word then why put it in the chant? and why call indians and other same coloured people it too? ... and also thank god we do live in a politically correct nation cause we dont want to go back to the days of monkey chants do we?

The word "f*cking" is in front of everything these days though. Every song at football aimed at other folk is intended to be offensive, there's no denying that, but I think this country in particular these days is over offended. Not wanting to go back to the days of monkey chants but I do think we have to lighten up a touch.

We're all cunts at the end of the day!!!!

So if you reversed it i.e "I would rather be a Jack than a Paki" would the PC brigade claim that it was racist towards a jack.

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Ok

i am a whipper snapper and under the 40's bracket so the term to me means "Pakistani" someone from Pakistan

what is it to the over 40's that is so offensive please

Seeing as everything you say appears to taken as racism these days, perhaps we should all take offence to being called "Welsh"? It is, after all, a derrogatory term used by the Anglo-Saxon's.

The word Welsh is actually an Old English word meaning “foreigner; slave” and at first was applied by the Anglo-Saxons to all the native peoples of Britain. As you might guess, the word Welsh is not used by the Welsh: they call their language Cymraeg, their country Cymru and themselves Cymry.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/welsh.htm

Do you know what, i think i'm feeling oppressed and victimised now!

Seeing as everything you say appears to taken as racism these days, perhaps we should all take offence to being called "Welsh"? It is, after all, a derrogatory term used by the Anglo-Saxon's.

The word Welsh is actually an Old English word meaning “foreigner; slave” and at first was applied by the Anglo-Saxons to all the native peoples of Britain. As you might guess, the word Welsh is not used by the Welsh: they call their language Cymraeg, their country Cymru and themselves Cymry.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/welsh.htm

Do you know what, i think i'm feeling oppressed and victimised now!

"we are the slaves, very very slaves!" ... i quite like that!

Most of us put f*cking before say English, Jacks, Yanks, So why should Pakistanis be left out. And in the real world Pakistanis Indians they are in no way Racist towards us or each other ? Some Pakistanis and i do say some they hate us by blowing us up. Do we do that ? No its just words. And if Aherne you called an Indian a Paki then yes he would be offended to the extent that he would clobber you. And no it isn't because its so called racist its because, would you be happy if someone called you an English tw*t ? Now i bet you wouldn't mind being called a tw*t it would be the English you would object to. But it is understandable they called you English because you are white.
What i am trying to raise here is the PC brigade are mostly Racist themselves and hypocritical to boot

Seeing as everything you say appears to taken as racism these days, perhaps we should all take offence to being called "Welsh"? It is, after all, a derrogatory term used by the Anglo-Saxon's.

The word Welsh is actually an Old English word meaning “foreigner; slave” and at first was applied by the Anglo-Saxons to all the native peoples of Britain. As you might guess, the word Welsh is not used by the Welsh: they call their language Cymraeg, their country Cymru and themselves Cymry.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/welsh.htm

Do you know what, i think i'm feeling oppressed and victimised now!

"we are the slaves, very very slaves!" ... i quite like that!

Everyone who is married are Welsh then "SLAVES"