SSN: Latest from QPR hearing

SSN are now reporting this afternoon (following further interviews with Mark Palios, former FA Chief Exec) that QPR fans should be prepared for a potential relegation from the Championship, let alone a points deduction - if found guilty of the charges.

The general consensus is that the punishment should, an will, follow precedents set from previous hearings of similar magnitude, and the Swindon Town case of the early 90s is heavily referred to as the precedent the hearing should/ could follow (Swindon were initially relegated twice subsequent to the hearing, but on appeal reduced it to one relegation).

Whatever Friday's outcome presents, it will certainly be interesting and of huge interest to us

Does this just mean they can drop them from the prem into the championship without it affecting anyone else?

SSN are now reporting this afternoon (following further interviews with Mark Palios, former FA Chief Exec) that QPR fans should be prepared for a potential relegation from the Championship, let alone a points deduction - if found guilty of the charges.

The general consensus is that the punishment should, an will, follow precedents set from previous hearings of similar magnitude, and the Swindon Town case of the early 90s is heavily referred to as the precedent the hearing should/ could follow (Swindon were initially relegated twice subsequent to the hearing, but on appeal reduced it to one relegation).

Whatever Friday's outcome presents, it will certainly be interesting and of huge interest to us

Very interesting, BURNLEY HERE WE COME

Does this just mean they can drop them from the prem into the championship without it affecting anyone else?

Did you know that a fact that i found out is that NO TEAM is promoted (QPR) until a team from the Premiership is relegated and the space has been made avaialble!

strange but true..... They can't be relegated from a league they don not compete in yet.....

SSN are now reporting this afternoon (following further interviews with Mark Palios, former FA Chief Exec) that QPR fans should be prepared for a potential relegation from the Championship, let alone a points deduction - if found guilty of the charges.

The general consensus is that the punishment should, an will, follow precedents set from previous hearings of similar magnitude, and the Swindon Town case of the early 90s is heavily referred to as the precedent the hearing should/ could follow (Swindon were initially relegated twice subsequent to the hearing, but on appeal reduced it to one relegation).

Whatever Friday's outcome presents, it will certainly be interesting and of huge interest to us

Very interesting, BURNLEY HERE WE COME

Burnley possibly turned into the most important game ever!!! Oh shit...

Does this just mean they can drop them from the prem into the championship without it affecting anyone else?

I doubt it,

QPR Were backed at 1000-1 to be relegated in the last few days and are now down to 100-1. (betfair)

Anything could happen with the way the FA work this one out

SSN are now reporting this afternoon (following further interviews with Mark Palios, former FA Chief Exec) that QPR fans should be prepared for a potential relegation from the Championship, let alone a points deduction - if found guilty of the charges.

The general consensus is that the punishment should, an will, follow precedents set from previous hearings of similar magnitude, and the Swindon Town case of the early 90s is heavily referred to as the precedent the hearing should/ could follow (Swindon were initially relegated twice subsequent to the hearing, but on appeal reduced it to one relegation).

Whatever Friday's outcome presents, it will certainly be interesting and of huge interest to us

Very interesting, BURNLEY HERE WE COME

Cannot wait for Burnley...4000 of us (hopefully) roaring the Bluebirds on and who knows something maybe riding on it!?!

Does this just mean they can drop them from the prem into the championship without it affecting anyone else?

No, they would drop from the Championship into League One...potentially

SSN are now reporting this afternoon (following further interviews with Mark Palios, former FA Chief Exec) that QPR fans should be prepared for a potential relegation from the Championship, let alone a points deduction - if found guilty of the charges.

The general consensus is that the punishment should, an will, follow precedents set from previous hearings of similar magnitude, and the Swindon Town case of the early 90s is heavily referred to as the precedent the hearing should/ could follow (Swindon were initially relegated twice subsequent to the hearing, but on appeal reduced it to one relegation).

Whatever Friday's outcome presents, it will certainly be interesting and of huge interest to us

My mother always told me that god moves in mysterious ways his wonders to perform and a few years ago West Ham Utd broke a rule, less serious than the rule now, but didn't receive the normal punishment and as a result Sheffield Utd were relegated.

Now a few years on West Ham Utd are on the verge of relegation and maybe just maybe Sheffield Utd will be saved from another relegation by this QPR situation.

I agree with Mark Palios being found guilty of lying to the FA, the National Association, is by far the most serious charge if it's proven QPR can expect the very worst.

And the worst could very well be more than one division.

Before we get too smug remember that we are being investigated too

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/ma ... rdiff-city

If QPR go down then what's to stop them insisting that to be consistent we have to be relegated too?

SSN are now reporting this afternoon (following further interviews with Mark Palios, former FA Chief Exec) that QPR fans should be prepared for a potential relegation from the Championship, let alone a points deduction - if found guilty of the charges.

The general consensus is that the punishment should, an will, follow precedents set from previous hearings of similar magnitude, and the Swindon Town case of the early 90s is heavily referred to as the precedent the hearing should/ could follow (Swindon were initially relegated twice subsequent to the hearing, but on appeal reduced it to one relegation).

Whatever Friday's outcome presents, it will certainly be interesting and of huge interest to us

My mother always told me that god moves in mysterious ways his wonders to perform and a few years ago West Ham Utd broke a rule, less serious than the rule now, but didn't receive the normal punishment and as a result Sheffield Utd were relegated.

Now a few years on West Ham Utd are on the verge of relegation and maybe just maybe Sheffield Utd will be saved from another relegation by this QPR situation.

I agree with Mark Palios being found guilty of lying to the FA, the National Association, is by far the most serious charge if it's proven QPR can expect the very worst.

And the worst could very well be more than one division.

...yeah and with warnock being a cnut he'd cop it two fold so I will go for that and like the sound of it....in fact should it happen i'll be in the 9.30 mass at st mary's on sunday morning

Does this just mean they can drop them from the prem into the championship without it affecting anyone else?

Did you know that a fact that i found out is that NO TEAM is promoted (QPR) until a team from the Premiership is relegated and the space has been made avaialble!

strange but true..... They can't be relegated from a league they don not compete in yet.....

And officially no member club is relegated from the PL or accepted into membership of the PL until the AGM of the PL in June. Plenty of time to deal with QPR if the PROVEN word is heard on Friday.

SSN are now reporting this afternoon (following further interviews with Mark Palios, former FA Chief Exec) that QPR fans should be prepared for a potential relegation from the Championship, let alone a points deduction - if found guilty of the charges.

The general consensus is that the punishment should, an will, follow precedents set from previous hearings of similar magnitude, and the Swindon Town case of the early 90s is heavily referred to as the precedent the hearing should/ could follow (Swindon were initially relegated twice subsequent to the hearing, but on appeal reduced it to one relegation).

Whatever Friday's outcome presents, it will certainly be interesting and of huge interest to us

Thank you Jon.

I think we are the only two people to have brought up the implications of the Swindon situation in the 90's. Recently promoted to the top division (Div 1 as it then was), Swindon were relegated TWO DIVISIONS AFTER the season had ended. This was later reduced to ONE DIVISION on appeal. In chats with fans there have been few who even knew about it but the FA/FL must be seen to deal fairly and firmly with this QPR situation. The comments of the London based media are irrelevant as are the wishes of QPR fans. A weak result will result in the fixture lists being thrown into chaos. Furthermore the Govt, Clubs, Uefa and Fifa are looking carefully at the case that justice is seen to be done and will not allow anything else.

Regarding just one of the charges, using an unlicensed agent, Luton got docked 10 pts. QPR, not only had played an unregistered player but also the S American club still have not received it's £3.5m transfer fee.

StT.

SSN are now reporting this afternoon (following further interviews with Mark Palios, former FA Chief Exec) that QPR fans should be prepared for a potential relegation from the Championship, let alone a points deduction - if found guilty of the charges.

The general consensus is that the punishment should, an will, follow precedents set from previous hearings of similar magnitude, and the Swindon Town case of the early 90s is heavily referred to as the precedent the hearing should/ could follow (Swindon were initially relegated twice subsequent to the hearing, but on appeal reduced it to one relegation).

Whatever Friday's outcome presents, it will certainly be interesting and of huge interest to us

Thank you Jon.

I think we are the only two people to have brought up the implications of the Swindon situation in the 90's. Recently promoted to the top division (Div 1 as it then was), Swindon were relegated TWO DIVISIONS AFTER the season had ended. This was later reduced to ONE DIVISION on appeal. In chats with fans there have been few who even knew about it but the FA/FL must be seen to deal fairly and firmly with this QPR situation. The comments of the London based media are irrelevant as are the wishes of QPR fans. A weak result will result in the fixture lists being thrown into chaos. Furthermore the Govt, Clubs, Uefa and Fifa are looking carefully at the case that justice is seen to be done and will not allow anything else.

Regarding just one of the charges, using an unlicensed agent, Luton got docked 10 pts. QPR, not only had played an unregistered player but also the S American club still have not received it's £3.5m transfer fee. They have also falsified documentation seeking to cover up the mistakes.

StT.

I have said all along they will get a 30 point deduction which in effect relegates them from the Premier League back into the Championship without playing a game. However, such is the seriousness of the allegations made against QPR that it would not be surprising to me should the authorities be really harsh and relegate them to the 1st Division (as there is not yet a precedent for a collection of missdemeanours of such seriousness) for that to be amended on appeal to being lucky to stay in the Championship.

Before we get too smug remember that we are being investigated too

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/ma ... rdiff-city

If QPR go down then what's to stop them insisting that to be consistent we have to be relegated too?

How exactly would there be consistency where the cases are nowhere near comparable?

Ranson does not own the players. He cannot dictate that a) we must sell them b) who we must sell them to or c) for how much.

The Guardian journo wants to make a story, claiming one clause of the agreement PROVES his claim. Namely we cannot disperse of transfer profits within being given consent to do so. Which in no way shape or form constitutes third party ownership of PLAYERS. All it means is, given we've a debt to that company, that company wish to protect their financial issues by preventing us spunking the money on goldfish rather than servicing the debt.

Whereas with Faurlin, the player was directly owned by a third party.

Massive difference. And indeed, the who0le damn investigation has been into Ranson, not us, due to him being chairman at the time of Coventry.

SSN are now reporting this afternoon (following further interviews with Mark Palios, former FA Chief Exec) that QPR fans should be prepared for a potential relegation from the Championship, let alone a points deduction - if found guilty of the charges.

The general consensus is that the punishment should, an will, follow precedents set from previous hearings of similar magnitude, and the Swindon Town case of the early 90s is heavily referred to as the precedent the hearing should/ could follow (Swindon were initially relegated twice subsequent to the hearing, but on appeal reduced it to one relegation).

Whatever Friday's outcome presents, it will certainly be interesting and of huge interest to us

Thank you Jon.

I think we are the only two people to have brought up the implications of the Swindon situation in the 90's. Recently promoted to the top division (Div 1 as it then was), Swindon were relegated TWO DIVISIONS AFTER the season had ended. This was later reduced to ONE DIVISION on appeal. In chats with fans there have been few who even knew about it but the FA/FL must be seen to deal fairly and firmly with this QPR situation. The comments of the London based media are irrelevant as are the wishes of QPR fans. A weak result will result in the fixture lists being thrown into chaos. Furthermore the Govt, Clubs, Uefa and Fifa are looking carefully at the case that justice is seen to be done and will not allow anything else.

Regarding just one of the charges, using an unlicensed agent, Luton got docked 10 pts. QPR, not only had played an unregistered player but also the S American club still have not received it's £3.5m transfer fee. They have also falsified documentation seeking to cover up the mistakes.

StT.

He was unauthorised apparently. He did hold a FIFA licence, just wasnt registered with the FA. So they have dropped the phrase "unlicenced".

Also faurlin was registered, just with MISSING information regarding his ownership and economic rights.

I think the falsification are documents relating to the cost of the fee, where QPR boasted they payed £3.5m for him, yet paperwork actually shows they payed £600,000 instead, so where is the missing £2.9 million quid gone?

I have said all along they will get a 30 point deduction which in effect relegates them from the Premier League back into the Championship without playing a game. However, such is the seriousness of the allegations made against QPR that it would not be surprising to me should the authorities be really harsh and relegate them to the 1st Division (as there is not yet a precedent for a collection of missdemeanours of such seriousness) for that to be amended on appeal to being lucky to stay in the Championship.

This is impossible as they can not be relegated from the Premiership - as they are not yet legally a registered premeir league team. as commented in above posts.

I have said all along they will get a 30 point deduction which in effect relegates them from the Premier League back into the Championship without playing a game. However, such is the seriousness of the allegations made against QPR that it would not be surprising to me should the authorities be really harsh and relegate them to the 1st Division (as there is not yet a precedent for a collection of missdemeanours of such seriousness) for that to be amended on appeal to being lucky to stay in the Championship.

This is impossible as they can not be relegated from the Premiership - as they are not yet legally a registered premeir league team. as commented in above posts.

That was meant as a tongue in cheek comment on my part. I think everyone can see what I am getting at but if you want to be technical then of course your correct

He was unauthorised apparently. He did hold a FIFA licence, just wasnt registered with the FA. So they have dropped the phrase "unlicenced".

People are focusing on the named agent.

bear in mind a charge is that QPR *sought* to pay an unlicensed agent. Given numerous shady South America deals involve a front "legit" agent whilst those unauthorised ones sit in the background taking their cut, it may well even be the case this guy was a frontman - and evidence was provided to that extent.

Also faurlin was registered, just with MISSING information regarding his ownership and economic rights.

Where, had that info been provided, he may not have been.

I think the falsification are documents relating to the cost of the fee, where QPR boasted they payed £3.5m for him, yet paperwork actually shows they payed £600,000 instead, so where is the missing £2.9 million quid gone?

That's been the internet line, which is bs. QPR can boast in the media to appease fans clamouring for a big money signing all they want. That's not illegal. Various journos have claimed the FA acted after hearing about the claimed value, which is bs.

He was unauthorised apparently. He did hold a FIFA licence, just wasnt registered with the FA. So they have dropped the phrase "unlicenced".

People are focusing on the named agent.

bear in mind a charge is that QPR *sought* to pay an unlicensed agent. Given numerous shady South America deals involve a front "legit" agent whilst those unauthorised ones sit in the background taking their cut, it may well even be the case this guy was a frontman - and evidence was provided to that extent.

Also faurlin was registered, just with MISSING information regarding his ownership and economic rights.

Where, had that info been provided, he may not have been.

I think the falsification are documents relating to the cost of the fee, where QPR boasted they payed £3.5m for him, yet paperwork actually shows they payed £600,000 instead, so where is the missing £2.9 million quid gone?

That's been the internet line, which is bs. QPR can boast in the media to appease fans clamouring for a big money signing all they want. That's not illegal. Various journos have claimed the FA acted after hearing about the claimed value, which is bs.

OK! thanks for your disection!

This is the talk of the town, not FACT. sorry I forgot to include that bit.

I have said all along they will get a 30 point deduction which in effect relegates them from the Premier League back into the Championship without playing a game. However, such is the seriousness of the allegations made against QPR that it would not be surprising to me should the authorities be really harsh and relegate them to the 1st Division (as there is not yet a precedent for a collection of missdemeanours of such seriousness) for that to be amended on appeal to being lucky to stay in the Championship.

This is impossible as they can not be relegated from the Premiership - as they are not yet legally a registered premeir league team. as commented in above posts.

That was meant as a tongue in cheek comment on my part. I think everyone can see what I am getting at but if you want to be technical then of course your correct

I appologise for my abruptiveness!

Thanks don't do it again

If QPR releagated or even huge points deduction then massive game for Burnley at weekend as well - as they will then still be able to make playoffs

It they do get hammered as suggested on ssn,burnley will be a big game,as well as us being 2nd they will be 7th and within 2points of making it into the playoffs

Yahooooo
Phone the players up and lets get on the lash to celebrate!!!

Last week I found it unlikely that QPR would be docked points as it just seemed to me that they were going to get off lightly, however doing some investigative work this week and comparing this case with similar investigations over the years I honestly think that they will suffer at least a 10-15 point deduction.

I will cross my fingers for Friday’s outcome but I think our trip to Burnley will end in a promotion party for us.

Hope so Chrissy boy

Last week I found it unlikely that QPR would be docked points as it just seemed to me that they were going to get off lightly, however doing some investigative work this week and comparing this case with similar investigations over the years I honestly think that they will suffer at least a 10-15 point deduction.

I will cross my fingers for Friday’s outcome but I think our trip to Burnley will end in a promotion party for us.

That only works if they are found "Guilty!"

remember WE havent seen the evidence for or against....