" This'bottlers'tag myth "

Before yesterdays'18 minute freakshow, i for one couldn't have been prouder of the way the squad(and manager)have conducted themselves during the run-in since the Ipswich defeat. Everyone are rightly devastated but for us to have one defeat in ten games and still Norwich take us at the end you can't knock the canaries for an amazing bit of consistency(and the durability of ten injury time goals). Now today, all the moaners who have nothing else to do but moan are waving their victory flags whilst taking a perverse satisfaction and a smug grin that the side they so-call support are possibly doomed to failure. Are these the same clowns giving their Burnley briefs back? That's another subject

Some people will point to late goals conceded v Barnsley, Burnley, Palace, Norwich, Millwall and Reading, but those could be balanced out with our own late shows v Scunthorpe, Doncaster, Swansea, Hull and Coventry. It does sometimes seem like we're jinxed and destined never to get to the top flight and after going on a great unbeaten run, only one club in the countrys'world could feel like its caving in 18 minutes later. For me they've shown tremendous bottle to get where we are. Swansea have been breathing down our necks all season but we always fought back. I understand people saying we should be doing better with the squad we have, but some deluded Cardiff half -expected us to go the whole season without getting beat. They must be the same potty twats who have taken their Burnley tickets back. If the playoffs are the worst we can achieve, then the playoffs it is. After yesterdays'travesty, i'm quietly confident it won't get any worse than that. Dave Jones'critics wrongly say he can't motivate his players. Bollocks. Checkout our current form before yesterdays'freak occurence

Roll on Turf Moor. We're down but nowhere near out yet

i love it when the storm has calmed down, to have someone with a good comment, have facts and get me feeling good again. never looked at it before through the point that we got late goals and points aswell

Well said Lakey
We lost 3-0 who gives a f**k we're Cardiff City and we're going up

Dave Jones'critics wrongly say he can't motivate his players. Bollocks. Checkout our current form before yesterdays'freak occurence

Check out the form before said rtrun, when teams around us were dropping points and auto was there for the taking.

Ipswich, lost 2-0
Palace, lost 1-0
barnsley, 2-2 draw
Millwall, 3-3 draw.

2 points from 12. Millwall aside, those are really tough games.

How many points are we behind Norwich?

When we've had chances to get daylight, it's been a bottle job.

December, Jan, March. All poor months. Just conveniently ignore those...

Before yesterdays'18 minute freakshow, i for one couldn't have been prouder of the way the squad(and manager)have conducted themselves during the run-in since the Ipswich defeat. Everyone are rightly devastated but for us to have one defeat in ten games and still Norwich take us at the end you can't knock the canaries for an amazing bit of consistency(and the durability of ten injury time goals). Now today, all the moaners who have nothing else to do but moan are waving their victory flags whilst taking a perverse satisfaction and a smug grin that the side they so-call support are possibly doomed to failure. Are these the same clowns giving their Burnley briefs back? That's another subject

Some people will point to late goals conceded v Barnsley, Burnley, Palace, Norwich, Millwall and Reading, but those could be balanced out with our own late shows v Scunthorpe, Doncaster, Swansea, Hull and Coventry. It does sometimes seem like we're jinxed and destined never to get to the top flight and after going on a great unbeaten run, only one club in the countrys'world could feel like its caving in 18 minutes later. For me they've shown tremendous bottle to get where we are. Swansea have been breathing down our necks all season but we always fought back. I understand people saying we should be doing better with the squad we have, but some deluded Cardiff half -expected us to go the whole season without getting beat. They must be the same potty twats who have taken their Burnley tickets back. If the playoffs are the worst we can achieve, then the playoffs it is. After yesterdays'travesty, i'm quietly confident it won't get any worse than that. Dave Jones'critics wrongly say he can't motivate his players. Bollocks. Checkout our current form before yesterdays'freak occurence

Roll on Turf Moor. We're down but nowhere near out yet

We've lost one game in the last 7, not exactly bad is it, even Manu drop points, thats why we love the game.

I have a feeling that Norwich will win next week aswell so the result will be completely irrelevant in any case, so when would you rather lose a game, yesterday or in the playoffs ???

Hopefully that is our blip, now go on and win the last game if it counts (QPR losing 10 points or more) and definitely the playoffs if it doesn't count.................

Bluebina-a measured response. I posted it on the other board and it got shot down under a bombardment of gibberish.' I should have known better' said Jim Diamond

Bluebina-a measured response. I posted it on the other board and it got shot down under a bombardment of gibberish.' I should have known better' said Jim Diamond

Cheers Pal,

Yesterday was a bit of a freak game too, look at the stats, they only had 5 shots all game, and one corner


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good post and comments i totally agree
arsenal to me represent a team of bottlers,giving away late goals,losing to average sides,crumbling when they are pressured
it seems we are prone to sloppy defensive errors and lapses in concentration which is what happened yesterday,fair play to middlesbrough they took their chances but they were handed to them on a plate

Before yesterdays'18 minute freakshow, i for one couldn't have been prouder of the way the squad(and manager)have conducted themselves during the run-in since the Ipswich defeat. Everyone are rightly devastated but for us to have one defeat in ten games and still Norwich take us at the end you can't knock the canaries for an amazing bit of consistency(and the durability of ten injury time goals). Now today, all the moaners who have nothing else to do but moan are waving their victory flags whilst taking a perverse satisfaction and a smug grin that the side they so-call support are possibly doomed to failure. Are these the same clowns giving their Burnley briefs back? That's another subject

Some people will point to late goals conceded v Barnsley, Burnley, Palace, Norwich, Millwall and Reading, but those could be balanced out with our own late shows v Scunthorpe, Doncaster, Swansea, Hull and Coventry. It does sometimes seem like we're jinxed and destined never to get to the top flight and after going on a great unbeaten run, only one club in the countrys'world could feel like its caving in 18 minutes later. For me they've shown tremendous bottle to get where we are. Swansea have been breathing down our necks all season but we always fought back. I understand people saying we should be doing better with the squad we have, but some deluded Cardiff half -expected us to go the whole season without getting beat. They must be the same potty twats who have taken their Burnley tickets back. If the playoffs are the worst we can achieve, then the playoffs it is. After yesterdays'travesty, i'm quietly confident it won't get any worse than that. Dave Jones'critics wrongly say he can't motivate his players. Bollocks. Checkout our current form before yesterdays'freak occurence

Roll on Turf Moor. We're down but nowhere near out yet

We've lost one game in the last 7, not exactly bad is it, even Manu drop points, thats why we love the game.

I have a feeling that Norwich will win next week aswell so the result will be completely irrelevant in any case, so when would you rather lose a game, yesterday or in the playoffs ???

Hopefully that is our blip, now go on and win the last game if it counts (QPR losing 10 points or more) and definitely the playoffs if it doesn't count.................

Norwich winning next week, and indeed the Pompey match, was compeltely skewed by us losing so their is no point in going down that avenue of thought



As for bottling, well you only have to look at all the near misses this season - in terms of losing easily winnable matches, having just won very difficult ones weeks before. Or indeed going missing when our competitors have slipped up.

Norwich were able to do what we weren't, and had the conviction and the bottle to get the wins and go on a run when it was needed.

Yet again Mr CG, calmness personified.

Sack the board.

I don't believe the result Monday had anything to do with bottle, they under performed simple as.
Our player of the season should have done better for all 3 goals and our young player of the season could have done better but people make mistakes.

People say we bottles the FA Cup final which is madness, beaten by a prem team. Surely if we were bottlers we would have bottled the 1/4 or even the 1/2 finals?

Same with the play/offs last season, don't think we bottled it we just could adapt to losing Jay. Bottling it would have been losing to Leicester in my opinion.

Was it a freak or was it another start of a capitulation? I suppose only time will tell.

Yet again Mr CG, calmness personified.

Sack the board.

You know i'm as sick about yesterday as anyone mate, but as we've spoke about this before-There's no reasoning sometimes with the keyboard warriors is there

Lakey you now my thoughts as well as many others on here do and I stand by everything I have said all season and reiterate what you have posted.

Nobody should be allowed to say we are bottlers and DJ got no motivation and he as no plan B or his hands are in his pockets and come up with every possible and unjustified comment they can to down him but then on the other hand never give him credit for the run of results that get us to within touching distance again.

I accept Dave Jones has many faults as a manager but I do not see the DJ outers claiming he has many excellent qualities either.

Lakey you now my thoughts as well as many others on here do and I stand by everything I have said all season and reiterate what you have posted.

Nobody should be allowed to say we are bottlers and DJ got no motivation and he as no plan B or his hands are in his pockets and come up with every possible and unjustified comment they can to down him but then on the other hand never give him credit for the run of results that get us to within touching distance again.

I accept Dave Jones has many faults as a manager but I do not see the DJ outers claiming he has many excellent qualities either.

Carl, But HE HAS NO PLAN B,NO MOTIVATION,His Hands are stuck in his pockets,He is Arrogant/Lazy, Shall I Continue


OOPS SORRY, HE DOES BOTTLE IT and HAS NO PASSION .

Lakey you now my thoughts as well as many others on here do and I stand by everything I have said all season and reiterate what you have posted.

Nobody should be allowed to say we are bottlers and DJ got no motivation and he as no plan B or his hands are in his pockets and come up with every possible and unjustified comment they can to down him but then on the other hand never give him credit for the run of results that get us to within touching distance again.

I accept Dave Jones has many faults as a manager but I do not see the DJ outers claiming he has many excellent qualities either.

Carl, But HE HAS NO PLAN B,NO MOTIVATION,His Hands are stuck in his pockets,He is Arrogant/Lazy, Shall I Continue


OOPS SORRY, HE DOES BOTTLE IT and HAS NO PASSION .

140 games taken the lead and only lost 6, who needs a plan b

Lakey you now my thoughts as well as many others on here do and I stand by everything I have said all season and reiterate what you have posted.

Nobody should be allowed to say we are bottlers and DJ got no motivation and he as no plan B or his hands are in his pockets and come up with every possible and unjustified comment they can to down him but then on the other hand never give him credit for the run of results that get us to within touching distance again.

I accept Dave Jones has many faults as a manager but I do not see the DJ outers claiming he has many excellent qualities either.

Carl, But HE HAS NO PLAN B,NO MOTIVATION,His Hands are stuck in his pockets,He is Arrogant/Lazy, Shall I Continue


OOPS SORRY, HE DOES BOTTLE IT and HAS NO PASSION .

140 games taken the lead and only lost 6, who needs a plan b

NOW FAILED TO COME BACK and WIN OUT OF 117 GAMES ONLY 10 GAMES

I stayed behind to clap him while he was doing the lap of honour, cheeky git didn't come out

I fear sometimes that DJ's excellent qualities consist of an excellent golfing handicap and an uncanny abilitiy to underwhelm

I stayed behind to clap him while he was doing the lap of honour, cheeky git didn't come out

And I did

I fear sometimes that DJ's excellent qualities consist of an excellent golfing handicap and an uncanny abilitiy to underwhelm

Totally agree

I stayed behind to clap him while he was doing the lap of honour, cheeky git didn't come out

And I did

I know mate, you were devastated when he did a no show.

Lakey you now my thoughts as well as many others on here do and I stand by everything I have said all season and reiterate what you have posted.

Nobody should be allowed to say we are bottlers and DJ got no motivation and he as no plan B or his hands are in his pockets and come up with every possible and unjustified comment they can to down him but then on the other hand never give him credit for the run of results that get us to within touching distance again.

I accept Dave Jones has many faults as a manager but I do not see the DJ outers claiming he has many excellent qualities either.

Fully agreed Carl. Yesterday we played the close season ante-post clear favourites for promotion. There isn't one Middlesborough fan from Stockton through to Redcar that wouldn't give their right arm to swap their position with our'bottling'position of third place and a possible points tally of 82 points and a genuine crack at the top flight. Yesterday was ridiculous and won't happen again this season. We're running lots of parellels with the 2002/03 campaign. Friday's hearing announcement could be even more damaging as getting woke up at 3am in the Vale hotel, but if it's just the playoffs, then lets go. Yesterday would have hurt the squad as much as it did us, and unlike Wembley last year, they have time to make amends this time

Lakey you now my thoughts as well as many others on here do and I stand by everything I have said all season and reiterate what you have posted.

Nobody should be allowed to say we are bottlers and DJ got no motivation and he as no plan B or his hands are in his pockets and come up with every possible and unjustified comment they can to down him but then on the other hand never give him credit for the run of results that get us to within touching distance again.

I accept Dave Jones has many faults as a manager but I do not see the DJ outers claiming he has many excellent qualities either.

Fully agreed Carl. Yesterday we played the close season ante-post clear favourites for promotion. There isn't one Middlesborough fan from Stockton through to Redcar that wouldn't give their right arm to swap their position with our'bottling'position of third place and a possible points tally of 82 points and a genuine crack at the top flight. Yesterday was ridiculous and won't happen again this season. We're running lots of parellels with the 2002/03 campaign. Friday's hearing announcement could be even more damaging for the R's as getting woke up at 3am in the Vale hotel, but if it's just the playoffs, then lets go. Yesterday would have hurt the squad as much as it did us, and unlike Wembley last year, they have time to make amends this time

140 games taken the lead and only lost 6, who needs a plan b [/quote]


NOW FAILED TO COME BACK and WIN OUT OF 117 GAMES ONLY 10 GAMES [/quote]

Aren't those two sets of stats incredible, almost unbeatable when we score first almost no chance of winning when the opponents score first ??????

Ahh, how many have we drawn of those that we've gone 1-0 up? Quite a few I'd say. Many instances this season.

Before yesterdays'18 minute freakshow, i for one couldn't have been prouder of the way the squad(and manager)have conducted themselves during the run-in since the Ipswich defeat. Everyone are rightly devastated but for us to have one defeat in ten games and still Norwich take us at the end you can't knock the canaries for an amazing bit of consistency(and the durability of ten injury time goals). Now today, all the moaners who have nothing else to do but moan are waving their victory flags whilst taking a perverse satisfaction and a smug grin that the side they so-call support are possibly doomed to failure. Are these the same clowns giving their Burnley briefs back? That's another subject

Some people will point to late goals conceded v Barnsley, Burnley, Palace, Norwich, Millwall and Reading, but those could be balanced out with our own late shows v Scunthorpe, Doncaster, Swansea, Hull and Coventry. It does sometimes seem like we're jinxed and destined never to get to the top flight and after going on a great unbeaten run, only one club in the countrys'world could feel like its caving in 18 minutes later. For me they've shown tremendous bottle to get where we are. Swansea have been breathing down our necks all season but we always fought back. I understand people saying we should be doing better with the squad we have, but some deluded Cardiff half -expected us to go the whole season without getting beat. They must be the same potty twats who have taken their Burnley tickets back. If the playoffs are the worst we can achieve, then the playoffs it is. After yesterdays'travesty, i'm quietly confident it won't get any worse than that. Dave Jones'critics wrongly say he can't motivate his players. Bollocks. Checkout our current form before yesterdays'freak occurence

Roll on Turf Moor. We're down but nowhere near out yet

EXCELLENT POST!!!

Before yesterdays'18 minute freakshow, i for one couldn't have been prouder of the way the squad(and manager)have conducted themselves during the run-in since the Ipswich defeat. Everyone are rightly devastated but for us to have one defeat in ten games and still Norwich take us at the end you can't knock the canaries for an amazing bit of consistency(and the durability of ten injury time goals). Now today, all the moaners who have nothing else to do but moan are waving their victory flags whilst taking a perverse satisfaction and a smug grin that the side they so-call support are possibly doomed to failure. Are these the same clowns giving their Burnley briefs back? That's another subject

Some people will point to late goals conceded v Barnsley, Burnley, Palace, Norwich, Millwall and Reading, but those could be balanced out with our own late shows v Scunthorpe, Doncaster, Swansea, Hull and Coventry. It does sometimes seem like we're jinxed and destined never to get to the top flight and after going on a great unbeaten run, only one club in the countrys'world could feel like its caving in 18 minutes later. For me they've shown tremendous bottle to get where we are. Swansea have been breathing down our necks all season but we always fought back. I understand people saying we should be doing better with the squad we have, but some deluded Cardiff half -expected us to go the whole season without getting beat. They must be the same potty twats who have taken their Burnley tickets back. If the playoffs are the worst we can achieve, then the playoffs it is. After yesterdays'travesty, i'm quietly confident it won't get any worse than that. Dave Jones'critics wrongly say he can't motivate his players. Bollocks. Checkout our current form before yesterdays'freak occurence

Roll on Turf Moor. We're down but nowhere near out yet

please read topic about jones blasting the team for going on the piss,i am not a winger,but even i could see that something was wrong with the team,and at halftime i wondered if it was tired players suffering from the effects of alcahol,it appears that this is the case and not just an unlucky game

Before yesterdays'18 minute freakshow, i for one couldn't have been prouder of the way the squad(and manager)have conducted themselves during the run-in since the Ipswich defeat. Everyone are rightly devastated but for us to have one defeat in ten games and still Norwich take us at the end you can't knock the canaries for an amazing bit of consistency(and the durability of ten injury time goals). Now today, all the moaners who have nothing else to do but moan are waving their victory flags whilst taking a perverse satisfaction and a smug grin that the side they so-call support are possibly doomed to failure. Are these the same clowns giving their Burnley briefs back? That's another subject

Some people will point to late goals conceded v Barnsley, Burnley, Palace, Norwich, Millwall and Reading, but those could be balanced out with our own late shows v Scunthorpe, Doncaster, Swansea, Hull and Coventry. It does sometimes seem like we're jinxed and destined never to get to the top flight and after going on a great unbeaten run, only one club in the countrys'world could feel like its caving in 18 minutes later. For me they've shown tremendous bottle to get where we are. Swansea have been breathing down our necks all season but we always fought back. I understand people saying we should be doing better with the squad we have, but some deluded Cardiff half -expected us to go the whole season without getting beat. They must be the same potty twats who have taken their Burnley tickets back. If the playoffs are the worst we can achieve, then the playoffs it is. After yesterdays'travesty, i'm quietly confident it won't get any worse than that. Dave Jones'critics wrongly say he can't motivate his players. Bollocks. Checkout our current form before yesterdays'freak occurence

Roll on Turf Moor. We're down but nowhere near out yet

Right, so if the jacks had conceded three in the first twenty one minutes while losing at home in their penultimate match of the regular season against a team with nothing to play for when they had a chance to get into an automatic promotion spot, you wouldn't be saying they had bottled it?

I'd have a lot more sympathy for your viewpoint if what happened on Monday was an isolated incident, but you conveniently choose to ignore that several of the current squad and this manager have "previous" when it comes to bottling it. Apart from the most dramatic end of season capitulation I can remember (with the exception of Dave Jones' Wolves in 2001/02) two years ago, Cardiff City lost a big lead at the top of the table in November to finish below halfway in 2006/07 and, leaving aside their defeat to a better team in Blackpool in last season's Play Off Final, they allowed what should have been a comfortable 2-0 aggregate lead against Leicester in the Semi Final to develop into the stomach churning, nail biter it became by chucking away that advantage by, yes that's right, conceding three goals in twenty odd minutes.

There's nothing I want more than City to prove me wrong by going up to Burnley and putting in a performance that allows us to end the regular season feeling proud about the team. That would certainly end this sense of foreboding that I have currently which says we are watching a repeat of those last four matches in 2008/09, but it would also require Dave Jones and his players to produce the goods on the really big occasion and they've hardly ever done that over the past six seasons.

Before yesterdays'18 minute freakshow, i for one couldn't have been prouder of the way the squad(and manager)have conducted themselves during the run-in since the Ipswich defeat. Everyone are rightly devastated but for us to have one defeat in ten games and still Norwich take us at the end you can't knock the canaries for an amazing bit of consistency(and the durability of ten injury time goals). Now today, all the moaners who have nothing else to do but moan are waving their victory flags whilst taking a perverse satisfaction and a smug grin that the side they so-call support are possibly doomed to failure. Are these the same clowns giving their Burnley briefs back? That's another subject

Some people will point to late goals conceded v Barnsley, Burnley, Palace, Norwich, Millwall and Reading, but those could be balanced out with our own late shows v Scunthorpe, Doncaster, Swansea, Hull and Coventry. It does sometimes seem like we're jinxed and destined never to get to the top flight and after going on a great unbeaten run, only one club in the countrys'world could feel like its caving in 18 minutes later. For me they've shown tremendous bottle to get where we are. Swansea have been breathing down our necks all season but we always fought back. I understand people saying we should be doing better with the squad we have, but some deluded Cardiff half -expected us to go the whole season without getting beat. They must be the same potty twats who have taken their Burnley tickets back. If the playoffs are the worst we can achieve, then the playoffs it is. After yesterdays'travesty, i'm quietly confident it won't get any worse than that. Dave Jones'critics wrongly say he can't motivate his players. Bollocks. Checkout our current form before yesterdays'freak occurence

Roll on Turf Moor. We're down but nowhere near out yet

Right, so if the jacks had conceded three in the first twenty one minutes while losing at home in their penultimate match of the regular season against a team with nothing to play for when they had a chance to get into an automatic promotion spot, you wouldn't be saying they had bottled it?

I'd have a lot more sympathy for your viewpoint if what happened on Monday was an isolated incident, but you conveniently choose to ignore that several of the current squad and this manager have "previous" when it comes to bottling it. Apart from the most dramatic end of season capitulation I can remember (with the exception of Dave Jones' Wolves in 2001/02) two years ago, Cardiff City lost a big lead at the top of the table in November to finish below halfway in 2006/07 and, leaving aside their defeat to a better team in Blackpool in last season's Play Off Final, they allowed what should have been a comfortable 2-0 aggregate lead against Leicester in the Semi Final to develop into the stomach churning, nail biter it became by chucking away that advantage by, yes that's right, conceding three goals in twenty odd minutes.

There's nothing I want more than City to prove me wrong by going up to Burnley and putting in a performance that allows us to end the regular season feeling proud about the team. That would certainly end this sense of foreboding that I have currently which says we are watching a repeat of those last four matches in 2008/09, but it would also require Dave Jones and his players to produce the goods on the really big occasion and they've hardly ever done that over the past six seasons.

TOBW has put this thread to bed.