Could sacking Dave Jones cause more problems ?

If the board decided that they are to dismiss Dave Jones of his duties as Cardiff City manager, could this lead to further problems off the pitch and even worse on it.

I see that Jay Bothroyd has tweeted " Why am I reading that Cardiff are considering dave jones future ? That's outrageous it's us players that haven't performed in recent weeks ! "

http://twitter.com/#!/jaybothroyd

What would the other players say or do ?

What Jay do ?

Be careful what you wish for I say.

Well, with all due respect, Jay's feelings are irrelevant.

He's not signed a new contract, so no guarantees he'd be staying anyway.

Indeed, if that's his true view, then he's acknowledging he and other players simply aren't good enough. Players DJ brought in.

I personally think that ridding Jones of his post is the wrong move. He's assembled this team, he is the one they look to as a confined group. Getting shot of him, in my opinion, would be the wrong move. I have to agree with Jay and say that I think it's the players not performing that have caused this situation. Although, I have doubted some of his tactics over a few games.

I know that pretty much everyone on this board is going to disagree with me, but I say give him the season.

He will get us there.

he would have to back the manager couldnt see him posting negative things about the manager on twitter

but i can see your point it will be a big risk but tbh would b a bigger risk sticking with dj. we are in free fall

Carl Jay would say that though, cos he hasnt played for weeks, if he had played he would have gone into a shell like the rest of the players. i havnt heard any of them sticking up for DJ in the press this morning !!!
and is Jay realy injured ?

I think that some of it is due to the player failings, but surely as a manager Dave Jones should be able to pick up on this and show the players where they're going wrong?

Well, with all due respect, Jay's feelings are irrelevant.

He's not signed a new contract, so no guarantees he'd be staying anyway.

Indeed, if that's his true view, then he's acknowledging he and other players simply aren't good enough. Players DJ brought in.

Nerd I think it is very relevant what a current player is saying regardless of the length of contract he has left, I am saying that it could blow this season up if players came out and backed DJ if he was sacked.

At present we are still in the promotion race.

I personally think that ridding Jones of his post is the wrong move. He's assembled this team, he is the one they look to as a confined group. Getting shot of him, in my opinion, would be the wrong move. I have to agree with Jay and say that I think it's the players not performing that have caused this situation. Although, I have doubted some of his tactics over a few games.

I know that pretty much everyone on this board is going to disagree with me, but I say give him the season.

He will get us there.

Frantic I am with you on this one.

Well, with all due respect, Jay's feelings are irrelevant.

He's not signed a new contract, so no guarantees he'd be staying anyway.

Indeed, if that's his true view, then he's acknowledging he and other players simply aren't good enough. Players DJ brought in.

He didn't say the players are not good enough, he said they aren't playing well at the moment and its not DJ's fault its just the players are not playing well.

he would have to back the manager couldnt see him posting negative things about the manager on twitter

but i can see your point it will be a big risk but tbh would b a bigger risk sticking with dj. we are in free fall

Then surely he would say nothing if he were not backing him and I promise you Jay will not be the only one.

Carl Jay would say that though, cos he hasnt played for weeks, if he had played he would have gone into a shell like the rest of the players. i havnt heard any of them sticking up for DJ in the press this morning !!!
and is Jay realy injured ?

Chris the fact that Jay's is tweeting it is support for DJ.

Regards him not playing is irrelevant I believe, Jay is very much one of those players.

WITH JONES IN CHARGE AND BEING IN FREEFALL I THINK ITSA GOOD JOB WE GOT 40 POINTS ALREADY, GOD BLESS HIS SOUL JUST WISH IT WAS SOMEWHERE ELSE LIKE 6 FOOT UNDER OR BACK WTH STOCKPORT WHERE HE BELONGS

Well, with all due respect, Jay's feelings are irrelevant.

He's not signed a new contract, so no guarantees he'd be staying anyway.

Indeed, if that's his true view, then he's acknowledging he and other players simply aren't good enough. Players DJ brought in.

Nerd I think it is very relevant what a current player is saying regardless of the length of contract he has left, I am saying that it could blow this season up if players came out and backed DJ if he was sacked.

At present we are still in the promotion race.

At present.

Those players have repeated said we need to play better for weeks on end and failed to do that. If you thus take Jay's words at face value, it's acknowledging those players aren't good enough. Clearly DJ hasn't turned things around either.

Jay's comments also have to be taken into perspective. The side is utterly built around him playing with no plan B. Of course he's going to be utterly loyal to DJ. Vested self interest whilst under contract to us.

DJ and the players have shown no sign of turning things around with a run of tough games ahead. If they wouldn't make the effort due to DJ being sacked, what precisely would be the difference from now?

he would have to back the manager couldnt see him posting negative things about the manager on twitter

but i can see your point it will be a big risk but tbh would b a bigger risk sticking with dj. we are in free fall

Then surely he would say nothing if he were not backing him and I promise you Jay will not be the only one.

good point. but only some will back him there probably a large group who are not backing him witch is very worrying to me because if there not backing him there not going to play for him wich means him not getting best out of our players

But Carl can you not see that Jones has to recieve blame for not being able to motivate the players? They are clearly lacking any passion to play the game, as proved by the shocking performances of the past month or so.

Carl Jay would say that though, cos he hasnt played for weeks, if he had played he would have gone into a shell like the rest of the players. i havnt heard any of them sticking up for DJ in the press this morning !!!
and is Jay realy injured ?

Chris the fact that Jay's is tweeting it is support for DJ.

Regards him not playing is irrelevant I believe, Jay is very much one of those players.

i agree carl jay always supports dj and is like bellamy really speaks more for the team.

CarlI said this yesterday to everyone on here who are ganging up wanting blood .

Players will rebel and things could get worse , no one thought about this as they assume that everyone hates Jones and his tactics.

Players I reckon will fight on Tuesday to beat Leeds as support to Jones , then come out and give verbal support

This open forum allows for all views but most here are too vocal and OTT over the slating of Jones.

Having watched City for 25 years plus , where we are now with stadium , team , wembley appearances in unreal.

What if we gpup , everyone will slate Jones if we lose or dont get into top 10 ?? Crazy - he cant win !!

Everyone take a reality step , we love Cardiff but lets be realistic , we are achieving things now , we have money now so be realistic. £30m will be used for debts pay off , TG pay off , money for players wages etc etc sam . How much left for new players ?? Not much .

We have to unite as fans but players and management reading this board will not excatly gain confidence by reading most of the demoralising stuff on here .

What is our fans expectation ?? Reality check guys please

Thanks Carl for all your info ,although disappointing when transfers dont happen at least we here almost as it happens .

Well, with all due respect, Jay's feelings are irrelevant.

He's not signed a new contract, so no guarantees he'd be staying anyway.

Indeed, if that's his true view, then he's acknowledging he and other players simply aren't good enough. Players DJ brought in.

Nerd I think it is very relevant what a current player is saying regardless of the length of contract he has left, I am saying that it could blow this season up if players came out and backed DJ if he was sacked.

At present we are still in the promotion race.

At present.

Those players have repeated said we need to play better for weeks on end and failed to do that. If you thus take Jay's words at face value, it's acknowledging those players aren't good enough. Clearly DJ hasn't turned things around either.

Jay's comments also have to be taken into perspective. The side is utterly built around him playing with no plan B. Of course he's going to be utterly loyal to DJ. Vested self interest whilst under contract to us.

DJ and the players have shown no sign of turning things around with a run of tough games ahead. If they wouldn't make the effort due to DJ being sacked, what precisely would be the difference from now?

Is this not the reason he has brought in Jon Parkin ?

were fucked with him so why should`nt they take a chance on someone else??

Carl Jay would say that though, cos he hasnt played for weeks, if he had played he would have gone into a shell like the rest of the players. i havnt heard any of them sticking up for DJ in the press this morning !!!
and is Jay realy injured ?

Chris the fact that Jay's is tweeting it is support for DJ.

Regards him not playing is irrelevant I believe, Jay is very much one of those players.

can you shed any light on his so called injury carl ?... there are persistant rumours about him not being injured

Having watched City for 25 years plus , where we are now with stadium , team , wembley appearances in unreal.

What if we gpup , everyone will slate Jones if we lose or dont get into top 10 ?? Crazy - he cant win !!

Everyone take a reality step , we love Cardiff but lets be realistic , we are achieving things now , we have money now so be realistic. £30m will be used for debts pay off , TG pay off , money for players wages etc etc sam . How much left for new players ?? Not much .

But this isn't 25 years ago, we have the strongest team in god knows how many years, yet we've achived 8 points from the past 30 odd.

Is this not the reason he has brought in Jon Parkin ?

Plan A - lump it to Bothroyd; get him playing in others.
Plan B - lump it to Parkin, get him to hold it up for others.

Plan B is thus the same as Plan A, showing a paucity of tactical acumen on Jones' part. What about, I dunno, passing the ball on the floor where we do look good at times?

Carl Jay would say that though, cos he hasnt played for weeks, if he had played he would have gone into a shell like the rest of the players. i havnt heard any of them sticking up for DJ in the press this morning !!!
and is Jay realy injured ?

Chris the fact that Jay's is tweeting it is support for DJ.

Regards him not playing is irrelevant I believe, Jay is very much one of those players.

can you shed any light on his so called injury carl ?... there are persistant rumours about him not being injured

I believe that Jay is injured and there is nothing underhand going on.

Is this not the reason he has brought in Jon Parkin ?

Plan A - lump it to Bothroyd; get him playing in others.
Plan B - lump it to Parkin, get him to hold it up for others.

Plan B is thus the same as Plan A, showing a paucity of tactical acumen on Jones' part. What about, I dunno, passing the ball on the floor where we do look good at times?

Like against Coventry ?

Is this not the reason he has brought in Jon Parkin ?

Plan A - lump it to Bothroyd; get him playing in others.
Plan B - lump it to Parkin, get him to hold it up for others.

Plan B is thus the same as Plan A, showing a paucity of tactical acumen on Jones' part. What about, I dunno, passing the ball on the floor where we do look good at times?

Like against Coventry ?

Yes, like against Coventry. Where we looked good.

What style have we played every other game recently?

support DJ my arse,if jay gave a fook hed be out there biting the bullet by putting a full shift in!!!....heel problem my arse...what happened to the footballers of old,proper men!...i remember when i was a schoolboy down there and pikey had problems with his heels....you know what he did? cut square windows out the back of his boots and cracked on!!

support DJ my arse,if jay gave a fook hed be out there biting the bullet by putting a full shift in!!!....heel problem my arse...what happened to the footballers of old,proper men!...i remember when i was a schoolboy down there and pikey had problems with his heels....you know what he did? cut square windows out the back of his boots and cracked on!!

Tommy Smith.

Take a look at the physical state he's in right now.

Having watched City for 25 years plus , where we are now with stadium , team , wembley appearances in unreal.

What if we gpup , everyone will slate Jones if we lose or dont get into top 10 ?? Crazy - he cant win !!

Everyone take a reality step , we love Cardiff but lets be realistic , we are achieving things now , we have money now so be realistic. £30m will be used for debts pay off , TG pay off , money for players wages etc etc sam . How much left for new players ?? Not much .

But this isn't 25 years ago, we have the strongest team in god knows how many years, yet we've achived 8 points from the past 30 odd.

Agree but Jones got us to top 2 before this match , Wolves had terrible run before automatic , million dollar question is do we gamble on Jnes till end of season or new manager now that will change team or tactics that may not pay off . Jones deserves till season end - my opinion

Having watched City for 25 years plus , where we are now with stadium , team , wembley appearances in unreal.

What if we gpup , everyone will slate Jones if we lose or dont get into top 10 ?? Crazy - he cant win !!

Everyone take a reality step , we love Cardiff but lets be realistic , we are achieving things now , we have money now so be realistic. £30m will be used for debts pay off , TG pay off , money for players wages etc etc sam . How much left for new players ?? Not much .

But this isn't 25 years ago, we have the strongest team in god knows how many years, yet we've achived 8 points from the past 30 odd.

Agree but Jones got us to top 2 before this match , Wolves had terrible run before automatic , million dollar question is do we gamble on Jnes till end of season or new manager now that will change team or tactics that may not pay off . Jones deserves till season end - my opinion

DJ got us top not long ago. And blew it.
Wolves? 11 points clear. DJ blew it.

When a manager has repeated failures when it matters, with success very much in the minority of outcomes, how many more chances of failure do you give him?

Just for the record Carl i am a DJ fan , i also believe that the board will stick with him too. to sack him now while negociating with potential players would be a disaster for our club ...