Aaron Ramsey / Joe Ralls

Let's compare these two.

Joe Ralls was told yesterday by BBM that he doesn't fit into his plans.

He then put out a well worded statement and wished us (and the manager) well.

Ramsey really thought he would get this job but when he didn't, partly due to mistakes by Ken Choo, he threw his toys out of the pram.

Ramsey has spoke on social media since about Arsenal and his Vodka business - but not us.

Ralls showed class. Ramsey didn't.

Ralls is a club legend. Ramsey will never be.

So well done Joe Ralls, hope to see you again sometime.

But let's stop pretending Ramsey is a Cardiff hero. He fleeced us of money and then had a strop when things didn't go his way.

Ralls is not a City legend.

He was committed and gave everything but he was lucky to get as many appearances as he did. No coincidence that he didn’t play much in the Prem nor did anyone want to sign him when he was out of contract.

I won’t knock him for effort but he’s miles away from being a legend.

Ramsey started with us as a kid and made us £5m when we were desperate,came back on loan when he had loads of better offers elsewhere, then came back when he had way more lucrative offers, then took on the poison chalice of trying to keep us up in 3 games !

When the full story comes out I would guess this is all about him wanting to play in the World Cup and not being ready for being manager.

A bit of perspective here please people !

Ralls is not a City legend.

He was committed and gave everything but he was lucky to get as many appearances as he did. No coincidence that he didn’t play much in the Prem nor did anyone want to sign him when he was out of contract.

I won’t knock him for effort but he’s miles away from being a legend.

Ramsey started with us as a kid and made us £5m when we were desperate,came back on loan when he had loads of better offers elsewhere, then came back when he had way more lucrative offers, then took on the poison chalice of trying to keep us up in 3 games !

When the full story comes out I would guess this is all about him wanting to play in the World Cup and not being ready for being manager.

A bit of perspective here please people !

I remember him saying that he wanted to come here to recover from his injury and be near to home for that loan spell. Also ‘he made us £5m’ but I think first and foremost he got a lucrative move for himself that meant a few ££ coming his way too. You’re right on perspective but that works both ways.

Ralls is not a City legend.

He was committed and gave everything but he was lucky to get as many appearances as he did. No coincidence that he didn’t play much in the Prem nor did anyone want to sign him when he was out of contract.

I won’t knock him for effort but he’s miles away from being a legend.

Ramsey started with us as a kid and made us £5m when we were desperate,came back on loan when he had loads of better offers elsewhere, then came back when he had way more lucrative offers, then took on the poison chalice of trying to keep us up in 3 games !

When the full story comes out I would guess this is all about him wanting to play in the World Cup and not being ready for being manager.

A bit of perspective here please people !

I remember him saying that he wanted to come here to recover from his injury and be near to home for that loan spell. Also ‘he made us £5m’ but I think first and foremost he got a lucrative move for himself that meant a few ££ coming his way too. You’re right on perspective but that works both ways.

Ramsey could have come back another time but chose to go to Forest instead.

Our fans talk about him like he's some sort of angel but he isn't.

He only came back two years because his wife wanted him to. That's a fact.

Wow now.

Ramsey isnt a club legend???

Alright are you??

Both are. Ramsey is arguably our best ever product, definately top 3.

Bit of a hatchet job.

Ramsey did not 'fleece us'. That's a low blow. He genuinely cares about the club and it just didn't work out as a player or as a manager. He wasn't really ready to be manager either. In time, Ramsey may come back and be our manager, who knows. I am sure he'll speak about leaving us too. But let's not be bitter towards him. Time to move on from Ralls and Ramsey. It's time for a reset and a new generation of players at this club. I am excited by that, it's time to be positive.

Wow now.

Ramsey isnt a club legend???

Alright are you??

Both are. Ramsey is arguably our best ever product, definately top 3.

He's a quality player but fleeced us.

Ralls and Rinomhota both put out exit statements today.

Ramsey is silent unless it's about Arsenal or his vodka.

Not the hero people make out he is.

Wow now.

Ramsey isnt a club legend???

Alright are you??

Both are. Ramsey is arguably our best ever product, definately top 3.

He's a quality player but fleeced us.

Ralls and Rinomhota both put out exit statements today.

Ramsey is silent unless it's about Arsenal or his vodka.

Not the hero people make out he is.

Couldnt disagree more. Utter bollocks in my opinion. You've spat out the same two reasons, twice. There are many many reasons on why he is a club legend.

All opinions though, but very suprised at this.

Ramsey is a legend purely because he is our best product and a local lad. We made as much money on Jordan Mutch, who played and scored more, but he isn't ever mentioned anymore.

I am really surprised there hasn't been a polished video and statement, its not a great look.

Joe, class and a legend

Ramsey is a legend purely because he is our best product and a local lad. We made as much money on Jordan Mutch, who played and scored more, but he isn't ever mentioned anymore.

I am really surprised there hasn't been a polished video and statement, its not a great look.

Joe, class and a legend

I agree with all you've said there.

Maybe if Ramsey had put a message out to the fans, my opinion would be a little different - but he hasn't.

Ramsey is Cardiff through and through , he loves this club , he put every bit of energy he had in every game played , probably over trying to the point he was getting injured , he probably hasn’t put a statement out cos he’s still pissed off about the goings on around the club , and wanted to be part of the team to get back up .
I believe ralls and Ramsey both Cardiff legends

Some ridiculous and very not thought out comments about two of Cardiff's recent greats. Should be embarrassed to talk about players like this. Ramsey made the club slot of.money when he was sold on. He returned to the club when he could have made much more money elsewhere. Ok he was injured a lot but it wasn't by choice FFS.

Ralls sent 15 years at our club and some don't think that deserves legendary status. Quite incredible

Thank you Joe and Aaron I am confident the vast vast majority respect you both

Some ridiculous and very not thought out comments about two of Cardiff's recent greats. Should be embarrassed to talk about players like this. Ramsey made the club slot of.money when he was sold on. He returned to the club when he could have made much more money elsewhere. Ok he was injured a lot but it wasn't by choice FFS.

Ralls sent 15 years at our club and some don't think that deserves legendary status. Quite incredible

Thank you Joe and Aaron I am confident the vast vast majority respect you both

I respect Joe a lot. Not just as a player but what he did for the wider community.

Ramsey I'm more iffy about.

Still waiting for him to say goodbye to the fans - he should be ashamed of himself.

Ramsey is Cardiff through and through , he loves this club , he put every bit of energy he had in every game played , probably over trying to the point he was getting injured , he probably hasn’t put a statement out cos he’s still pissed off about the goings on around the club , and wanted to be part of the team to get back up .
I believe ralls and Ramsey both Cardiff legends

I think there is sense in this. We know Ken Choo effectively torpedoed the deal for selfish reasons and Rambo must have been really frustrated at what occurred

What I don’t understand, is how he (Choo) was allowed to get away with it, when Vincent Tan had such a positive and informative meeting with Rambo and was ‘happy’ to have him take over; but then it all fell apart when left to Choo (in the initial absence of Dalman)?

Despite his fitness issues, which I believe were simply unfortunate, Rambo put in some decent performances when he played and I honestly believe he would have helped keep us up

He has every right to feel a little aggrieved at the moment but it would be helpful if he could put a message out to the supporters who supported him during his recent time here

Equally, I don’t think either Rambo or Ralls are ‘club legends’ but they are local heroes and will hold my respect for that

I think there is sense in this. We know Ken Choo effectively torpedoed the deal for selfish reasons and Rambo must have been really frustrated at what occurred

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What do we know? I am lost. Choo is Tans man, he does what his boss tells him. Does he have autonomy? Was it agreed with Tan but Rambo didn't like the detail? Why didn'tTan step in when it went pear shaped?

I don’t think it’s unfair when people say Ramsey isn’t a Cardiff legend.

One of our best products but barely played for us…

Wouldn’t call Gareth Bale a Southampton legend wouldn’t you?

It’s not about the talent, it’s about what they did as a player here. Ramsey achieved most in his career at Arsenal.

Let's compare these two.

Joe Ralls was told yesterday by BBM that he doesn't fit into his plans.

He then put out a well worded statement and wished us (and the manager) well.

Ramsey really thought he would get this job but when he didn't, partly due to mistakes by Ken Choo, he threw his toys out of the pram.

Ramsey has spoke on social media since about Arsenal and his Vodka business - but not us.

Ralls showed class. Ramsey didn't.

Ralls is a club legend. Ramsey will never be.

So well done Joe Ralls, hope to see you again sometime.

But let's stop pretending Ramsey is a Cardiff hero. He fleeced us of money and then had a strop when things didn't go his way.

What absolute rubbish you are spouting.
You upset because he didn’t put out a lovely message to us all and if he had done he is then a city legend. Come on get your big boy pants on.
A lot more happens behind the scenes than we know.
I’m am amazed you’ve written this thread.
Do you think BBM is a club legend already?

Let's compare these two.

Joe Ralls was told yesterday by BBM that he doesn't fit into his plans.

He then put out a well worded statement and wished us (and the manager) well.

Ramsey really thought he would get this job but when he didn't, partly due to mistakes by Ken Choo, he threw his toys out of the pram.

Ramsey has spoke on social media since about Arsenal and his Vodka business - but not us.

Ralls showed class. Ramsey didn't.

Ralls is a club legend. Ramsey will never be.

So well done Joe Ralls, hope to see you again sometime.

But let's stop pretending Ramsey is a Cardiff hero. He fleeced us of money and then had a strop when things didn't go his way.

What absolute rubbish you are spouting.
You upset because he didn’t put out a lovely message to us all and if he had done he is then a city legend. Come on get your big boy pants on.
A lot more happens behind the scenes than we know.
I’m am amazed you’ve written this thread.
Do you think BBM is a club legend already?

Of course BBM isn't a club legend. He has to take us to promotion to gain positivity.

Ramsey has played less than 100 games for us over three periods.

He is nowhere near a legend.

Ralls has played over 400 games for this club.

I know you wanted Ramsey to get this job.

Ralls is ten times the person Ramsey will ever be.

Let's compare these two.

Joe Ralls was told yesterday by BBM that he doesn't fit into his plans.

He then put out a well worded statement and wished us (and the manager) well.

Ramsey really thought he would get this job but when he didn't, partly due to mistakes by Ken Choo, he threw his toys out of the pram.

Ramsey has spoke on social media since about Arsenal and his Vodka business - but not us.

Ralls showed class. Ramsey didn't.

Ralls is a club legend. Ramsey will never be.

So well done Joe Ralls, hope to see you again sometime.

But let's stop pretending Ramsey is a Cardiff hero. He fleeced us of money and then had a strop when things didn't go his way.

What absolute rubbish you are spouting.
You upset because he didn’t put out a lovely message to us all and if he had done he is then a city legend. Come on get your big boy pants on.
A lot more happens behind the scenes than we know.
I’m am amazed you’ve written this thread.
Do you think BBM is a club legend already?

Of course BBM isn't a club legend. He has to take us to promotion to gain positivity.

Ramsey has played less than 100 games for us over three periods.

He is nowhere near a legend.

Ralls has played over 400 games for this club.

I know you wanted Ramsey to get this job.

Ralls is ten times the person Ramsey will ever be.

I wanted giggs to get the job but that was unrealistic. if not then Ramsey. That was when it looked like we were going to get Buckingham in. Luckily we didn’t and no one seems to want him. Can’t think we.

If I PM you will you be able to send me a sample of what you been smoking/drinking tonight please?

Let's compare these two.

Joe Ralls was told yesterday by BBM that he doesn't fit into his plans.

He then put out a well worded statement and wished us (and the manager) well.

Ramsey really thought he would get this job but when he didn't, partly due to mistakes by Ken Choo, he threw his toys out of the pram.

Ramsey has spoke on social media since about Arsenal and his Vodka business - but not us.

Ralls showed class. Ramsey didn't.

Ralls is a club legend. Ramsey will never be.

So well done Joe Ralls, hope to see you again sometime.

But let's stop pretending Ramsey is a Cardiff hero. He fleeced us of money and then had a strop when things didn't go his way.

What absolute rubbish you are spouting.
You upset because he didn’t put out a lovely message to us all and if he had done he is then a city legend. Come on get your big boy pants on.
A lot more happens behind the scenes than we know.
I’m am amazed you’ve written this thread.
Do you think BBM is a club legend already?

Of course BBM isn't a club legend. He has to take us to promotion to gain positivity.

Ramsey has played less than 100 games for us over three periods.

He is nowhere near a legend.

Ralls has played over 400 games for this club.

I know you wanted Ramsey to get this job.

Ralls is ten times the person Ramsey will ever be.

I wanted giggs to get the job but that was unrealistic. if not then Ramsey. That was when it looked like we were going to get Buckingham in. Luckily we didn’t and no one seems to want him. Can’t think we.

If I PM you will you be able to send me a sample of what you been smoking/drinking tonight please?

Mostly san miguel.

On the manager, I didn't want BBM when he was first linked. I actually thought he was the worst of the lot.

But having heard from him and his plan, he may be better than anybody. A fair comparison to Bellamy has been made.

But results are the name of the game and he'll be judged on that.

Ramsey 1,000% is not a Cardiff legend:

Yes started his career with us.

But achieved nothing for us and hardly played.

Only returned due to family here.

This is an interesting topic actually.

It’s a bit like the debate - are we a big football club!

Everyone has different ideas of what qualities make a club legend and what makes a big football club.

For me, Ramsey is no way a club legend. Not even close.

Joe Ralls is a club legend and I’ve got tremendous respect for him.

feels like a deflect the issues of choo and tan for a while and pick on someone else thread!

I do not see Ralls as a club legend, he's a good solid professional who was a true club man - but legend is Phil Dwyer and the like, players who were one offs and stood out in their roles.

as for Ramsey, well like every player who is very decent they become greedy, you cannot blame them football has gone that way, far too much stupid money for transfers and wages, so good luck to them but they don't make the best managers all the time, nor make the best decisions for their so called home town clubs.

any way back to the problems being deflected, feck off tan and choo and dalman

:sleepy2: feels like a deflect the issues of choo and tan for a while and pick on someone else thread!

I do not see Ralls as a club legend, he's a good solid professional who was a true club man - but legend is Phil Dwyer and the like, players who were one offs and stood out in their roles.

as for Ramsey, well like every player who is very decent they become greedy, you cannot blame them football has gone that way, far too much stupid money for transfers and wages, so good luck to them but they don't make the best managers all the time, nor make the best decisions for their so called home town clubs.

any way back to the problems being deflected, feck off tan and choo and dalman

I agree with you regarding Phil Dwyer as a Legend RIP

As to Ramsey I’ve joined the topic because I am so disappointed in him at his time at Cardiff.

Are you happy with his time at Cardiff?

:sleepy2: feels like a deflect the issues of choo and tan for a while and pick on someone else thread!

I do not see Ralls as a club legend, he's a good solid professional who was a true club man - but legend is Phil Dwyer and the like, players who were one offs and stood out in their roles.

as for Ramsey, well like every player who is very decent they become greedy, you cannot blame them football has gone that way, far too much stupid money for transfers and wages, so good luck to them but they don't make the best managers all the time, nor make the best decisions for their so called home town clubs.

any way back to the problems being deflected, feck off tan and choo and dalman

Great point mate. He was a great player and I’m glad he played for us at times as he was solid and reliable. He only stay so long because no where better wanted him and we were the best he could get. Had arsenel come in for him he would have gone in a heart beat and who could blame him for playing at the highest level, and when his powers would have diluted and he returned to us again I would have possibly put him in the legend category if he was able to achieve anything with us. But I feel calling him a legend devalues the worth of the club legends which are and far between. No way is he close to Peter Whittingham.

I believe people can obtain club legend status for different reasons. The fact Ramsey is one of our own from a kid makes it easier to obtain as that’s part of what fans love, local player comes good. If talks was Cardiff then yes I’d say a Cardiff legend. But he isn’t.

So thanks Joe for all you given, and the very pretty statement that was probably written for you, and now on to the next player. He be forgotten about in a few days time unfortunately, and definitely not spoken about in 20 years, where Ramsey will and for the rest of his life.

Wow now.

Ramsey isnt a club legend???

Alright are you??

Both are. Ramsey is arguably our best ever product, definately top 3.

He's a quality player but fleeced us.

Ralls and Rinomhota both put out exit statements today.

Ramsey is silent unless it's about Arsenal or his vodka.

Not the hero people make out he is.

Totally agree and even if he makes a statement he's still not a club legend in my eyes.

He'll go down as one of the best players we've ever produced but didn't hit the heights for us that we all expected on the pitch.

Ralls is 100% a club legend no question about that. Never let the club down on and off the pitch.

His time here this time around has left a bit of a bad taste.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again now, he has taken a stupid amount of money from the ‘club that he loves’ whilst playing hardly any games.

The games he played this past season he wasn’t fully fit when he did play for 30 or 40 minutes.

Just because someone starts out at a club doesn’t make them a legend.

I would guess he instrumental in his time here in rallying this bale consortium working from the inside. If he has helped get tan out he’s a legend for that as well, because that’s the only way we getting tan out is from the inside.

I know everyone is entitled to an opinion but to say Ralls isn't a legend is crazy and if he isn't Cardiff must have a very small legend club.

The guy has over 400 appearances and has been one of the biggest contributors to our community/community projects. Always gave everything for the shirt and even when it looks like the club have made the decision to part ways, he still shows the class that he has in his farewell message.

Same with Whits and Gunnerson, we don't appreciate the contribution of these players until they're gone.