‘ Small group of supporters met Chairman Dalman ‘

FANS ARE CALLING FOR THE BOARD TO MEET A WIDER RANGE OF FANS INSTEAD OF THE USUAL FEW:





Dalman again emphasised that the CCFC board structure was very different to most as the club owner remains the sole decision maker on all major issues rather than the appointed board members.



Trust Chair Keith Morgan and Trust board member Mike Spear, along with a small number of representatives from other supporters groups, attended a meeting at Cardiff City Stadium ahead of yesterday’s match against Middlesbrough.

The meeting had been called by club Chair Mehmet Dalman. Also representing the club were Chief Executive Officer Ken Choo and head of operations Wayne Nash together with Mark Denham (Communications) and Amy James (Fan Engagement).




The meeting was informal in nature but the main points discussed were:

All groups represented commentated that communication between the club and the general fanbase continued to be very poor and needed to be addressed urgently. It was suggested that a meeting of a wider fan base should be held as soon as practicable to deal direct with points of concern/criticism in a direct manner.


Fans offered to arrange such a meeting with AJ and MD promising to attend and address such a meeting when arranged.
It was also suggested to the club that it would be helpful if the club could outline to fans what the club structure was in its recruitment department as this is far from clear – are self-employed recruitment people used, who makes recruitment decisions etc?


MD again emphasised that the CCFC board structure was very different to most as the club owner remains the sole decision maker on all major issues rather than the appointed board members.


The meeting was informed that the club had requested support from EFL to have the current transfer embargo lifted but that such support had been rejected.




Confirmation was also given that potential legal actions involving the Swiss Federal Tribunal and Nantes were still ongoing.



All present agreed that the current position on the field was of great concern with a very real risk of relegation to League 1.

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Another waste if time meeting, Nothing new and usual faces.

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Tell us something we don't know.

Tell us something we don't know.

Absolute waste of time Ian, unbelievable, everything said there has already been put out on here.
But it made those who went important

Why not ask the serious questions and our future etc

What a complete waste of time

The only person who should address the fans is Dictator Tan not his stooges with the same old faces present because they certainly dont represent me

What a complete waste of time

The only person who should address the fans is Dictator Tan not his stooges with the same old faces present because they certainly dont represent me

Absolutely Spot on.

Dalman is Boris abd says he make NO decisions only his Boss Tan.

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I think that the representatives of the fans should be from the Trust and the supporters groups.. they are easy to join. Anyone feeling left out just sign up and join. I am not myself a member, but feel happy for them to represent the fans.

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I think that the representatives of the fans should be from the Trust and the supporters groups.. they are easy to join. Anyone feeling left out just sign up and join. I am not myself a member, but feel happy for them to represent the fans.

So what did they learn or find out once again???


Please could you tell anything new? Or anything we did not know?

They don’t ask Dean questions.

AN INSURANCE CLAIM QUESTION :


The Club stated :”The CCFC staff understood from its broker that all players were insured from the moment they were signed…. and the case arises from learning that they are not”. Hmm…. SO ‘FROM THE MOMENT THEY SIGN ! My question is that the Club officially claimed that Sala was not yet legally signed as our player due to some technical requirement by the Premiere League. Are we shooting ourselves in the head ….. by claiming that Sala is insured from the moment he is signed…….only to negate that by officially saying that he has not signed yet and/or that his signature is invalid or incomplete ? To me it appears that our CEO Ken Choo and our Club Secretary have messed up big time by doing an elementary mistake relating to how Sala’s ‘signing on fee’ was to be paid . My horrific fear is that are we yet again are embarking on another court case that we are bound to lose ? Moreover and irrespective of all the above …. simple logic - as I see it - is that how can anything or anyone be insured if the insurance company has not been notified ? However , I can not really form an opinion because I do not know the details of our insurance policy nor do I know all the facts.

Finally how does Choo (and Dalman) keep getting away with committing all sorts of things ….and remain untouchables ?

AN INSURANCE CLAIM QUESTION :


The Club stated :”The CCFC staff understood from its broker that all players were insured from the moment they were signed…. and the case arises from learning that they are not”. Hmm…. SO ‘FROM THE MOMENT THEY SIGN ! My question is that the Club officially claimed that Sala was not yet legally signed as our player due to some technical requirement by the Premiere League. Are we shooting ourselves in the head ….. by claiming that Sala is insured from the moment he is signed…….only to negate that by officially saying that he has not signed yet and/or that his signature is invalid or incomplete ? To me it appears that our CEO Ken Choo and our Club Secretary have messed up big time by doing an elementary mistake relating to how Sala’s ‘signing on fee’ was to be paid . My horrific fear is that are we yet again are embarking on another court case that we are bound to lose ? Moreover and irrespective of all the above …. simple logic - as I see it - is that how can anything or anyone be insured if the insurance company has not been notified ? However , I can not really form an opinion because I do not know the details of our insurance policy nor do I know all the facts.

Finally how does Choo (and Dalman) keep getting away with committing all sorts of things ….and remain untouchables ?

I've said it before pal but I think this is why we needed the other court cases so there was no doubt at all that he was our player and the insurance can't use it to get out of any payment.
As for the insurance, with my business and type of insurance I've got i am insured on anyone's car without notifying them up to £50k and personal cars go straight onto policy. I don't have to get in touch with them. So can see it being possible with a player once signed

A couple of months ago I asked for these questions to be asked m, none were:



Meeting tomorrow great opportunity to ask : (1) Can DALMAN confirm that Tan will continue to support the Club financially no matter what ?Irrespective of where we are in the league and irrespective of the situation with the payment to Nantes if we have to pay it ? (2) Can he explain the transfer embargo very clearly ! Where we are ? + what can we do about it ? + what result do we expect ? (3) Rumor is that Tan really wants to sell the Club and that he Dalman is very much involved and is talking to agents and middlemen ….and prospective buyers. (4) rumor is that he (his company) is owed £30 million which is a big jump from the last accounts . Is this true ? Does it mean that he now has far more influence over Tan than before ? (5) Suing the insurance broker seems a bit far fetched looking from the outside ….. are we now clutching on straws ? (6) could we be suing other people or companies over the Sala thing ? (7) Is Hudson’s pisition safe ? (8) When is our appeal to the Swiss Federal Court being heard …….and what are the consequences if things go against us ? (9) There are well founded rumors that you are tired from being Chairman and have been so for some time … but that you are only continuing to do it because of your relationship with Tan and as a favor to Tan … albeit for a financial consideration . (10) Tan said he has committed over £200 million . If you add your loan plus other loans plus normal trading creditors plus the Nantes payment (if we are forced to pay it) ……. The total can be well over £250 million more like £300 million . This is really all Tan’s personal exposure and responsibility . What is the real figure ? How concerned are you ?




One further clarification on the embargo ….. to be added to the embargo question . How did the Club management allow the embargo to happen in the first place ? Who is responsible ?



Question (11) Choo is our CEO and is ultimately the one responsible to have insured Sala from the first second . OK we are now suing the brokers ….but is not Choo really the one responsible ?

AN INSURANCE CLAIM QUESTION :


The Club stated :”The CCFC staff understood from its broker that all players were insured from the moment they were signed…. and the case arises from learning that they are not”. Hmm…. SO ‘FROM THE MOMENT THEY SIGN ! My question is that the Club officially claimed that Sala was not yet legally signed as our player due to some technical requirement by the Premiere League. Are we shooting ourselves in the head ….. by claiming that Sala is insured from the moment he is signed…….only to negate that by officially saying that he has not signed yet and/or that his signature is invalid or incomplete ? To me it appears that our CEO Ken Choo and our Club Secretary have messed up big time by doing an elementary mistake relating to how Sala’s ‘signing on fee’ was to be paid . My horrific fear is that are we yet again are embarking on another court case that we are bound to lose ? Moreover and irrespective of all the above …. simple logic - as I see it - is that how can anything or anyone be insured if the insurance company has not been notified ? However , I can not really form an opinion because I do not know the details of our insurance policy nor do I know all the facts.

Finally how does Choo (and Dalman) keep getting away with committing all sorts of things ….and remain untouchables ?

I've said it before pal but I think this is why we needed the other court cases so there was no doubt at all that he was our player and the insurance can't use it to get out of any payment.
As for the insurance, with my business and type of insurance I've got i am insured on anyone's car without notifying them up to £50k and personal cars go straight onto policy. I don't have to get in touch with them. So can see it being possible with a player once signed

There is something totally not right on this insurance and the whole Sala deal.

So far we have lost every case and costs of £millions against us and a transfer embargo.

Fir nearly 13 years we seem to have court case after court case for something.

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I note that Dalman is distancing himself from responsibility again

What happened to whole committee thing ?

It’s a complete joke and embarrassing.

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I think that the representatives of the fans should be from the Trust and the supporters groups.. they are easy to join. Anyone feeling left out just sign up and join. I am not myself a member, but feel happy for them to represent the fans.

So what did they learn or find out once again???


Please could you tell anything new? Or anything we did not know?

They don’t ask real questions.

Like you I do t think anything new was found out, except that the EFL are not backing us, no suprise there.
At this time there doesn’t seem to be anything g new to tell, waiting on Sala appeal with Swiss Court.
Do think that the channels of communication are kept open.. I wonder why SteveBorley not at these meetings?? surely him over WAYNE Nash… or is he distancing himself from it.?

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Unbelievable there were more from the club than fans, oops we had a couple of the Trust who
One minute Dalman does not recognise, but now all mates.

The meeting was called by club Chair Mehmet Dalman. Also representing the club were CEO Ken Choo and head of operations Wayne Nash together with Mark Denham (Communications) and Amy James (Fan Engagement).

I think that the representatives of the fans should be from the Trust and the supporters groups.. they are easy to join. Anyone feeling left out just sign up and join. I am not myself a member, but feel happy for them to represent the fans.

So what did they learn or find out once again???


Please could you tell anything new? Or anything we did not know?

They don’t ask real questions.

Like you I do t think anything new was found out, except that the EFL are not backing us, no suprise there.
At this time there doesn’t seem to be anything g new to tell, waiting on Sala appeal with Swiss Court.
Do think that the channels of communication are kept open.. I wonder why SteveBorley not at these meetings?? surely him over WAYNE Nash… or is he distancing himself from it.?

Bonner, I put it on here 2 days ago that the EFL were not backing us.

The point is what was the point of the meeting ? And why no real / string questions, it was like a mates meeting.


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1. Even if the club thought ES was automatically insured someone should have checked. Choo out.
2. MD yet again saying he makes no decisions, so why is he taking up office space ? MD out.
3. Why meet with the select few or do we all need to be members?
4. Not so long ago Supporters Groups weren't recognised by club.
5.Borley, shoved out or joined the dark side? My thoughts are he been told to say nothing.
6.EFL were never going to help us.
7. Mr Tan, just take the best offer and go.
8. Clean Sweep needed from top to bottom starting with Mr Tan and finishing with whoever signs players.
9. In meantime can we please replace MD and Choo with a DoF to get football top of agenda instead of constant bull crap.

1. Even if the club thought ES was automatically insured someone should have checked. Choo out.
2. MD yet again saying he makes no decisions, so why is he taking up office space ? MD out.
3. Why meet with the select few or do we all need to be members?
4. Not so long ago Supporters Groups weren't recognised by club.
5.Borley, shoved out or joined the dark side? My thoughts are he been told to say nothing.
6.EFL were never going to help us.
7. Mr Tan, just take the best offer and go.
8. Clean Sweep needed from top to bottom starting with Mr Tan and finishing with whoever signs players.
9. In meantime can we please replace MD and Choo with a DoF to get football top of agenda instead of constant bull crap.

Some very good points Jules.

As to being a member etc would not make any difference as the same few would still go and not ask real questions.


About 50-100 season tickets holders pulled out should be invited.

Dalman aka Boris does not what real questions asked that’s why those chosen are those that will go along with what he says.

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MD strikes again. Why are the same people the only attendees?

There should be away travel group organisers, this board, mikes board, other FB groups with large followings etc.

In the era of social media and online activities they should be represented.

I would be interested to know the average age of the members within the CCST and CCSC.

Id hazard a guess it is quite high, and not representative to our younger generation of supporters.

They certainly dont represent me

Its very easy... over the last, specifically, 4 seasons, Tan has decided he can trust nobody else but himself. Not board members, not managers, not players.

He has decided, in my opinion, for the good of Cardiff city, to become Manager, DOF, Chief scout and all those around him are paying lip service.

Because of Tan, our team on the pitch isn't a team. Our club, is not a club. Fans are deserting in droves, and yet he is the train driver driving us to oblivion.

With the embargo, and his selfish eccentricity, our immediate future is also being taken away.

With Tan we have no dream, no team, no club. He has not grown our business he has destroyed it. He'll never get back a fraction of his money. Yes, he'll lose out financially of course he will.

What will the fans lose out on is the bigger question.