Cardiff City’s 'best youngsters?'

Fact here, regarding players the regime tried to hoodwink us into believing that they were so talented that we didnt need to spend money...

Ive taken this information from online stats, I am unaware of any injuries that may have reduced game time, but given that caveat, it doesnt make good reading.

Patten - AFC Fylde Nat Lge North played just 8 games

King - Crewe lower reaches Lge 2 played 15 times not regular starter

Zimba - not in Newport Co squad not deemed good enough at their level

Bowen - played 5 times for Newport

Evans - playing for bottom of National League Torquay

Bakare - without a club after Kettering deemed not good enough in Oct 22

D'Almeida - without a club for this season

Bagan - Not getting a look in at City

Semenyo - nowhere to be seen at City

Taz Mayambe - supposed golden child. Aged 20 this year, totally forgotten

Ciaran Brown - 17 appearances in 4 years before we got shot

Jack Leahy - with us over a year and never really been in squad

Harris, Davies are unfortunately ongoing failures.

Sam must be absolutely gutted as to what Tan has turned us into.

This should tell the regime a few important points.

1. Our youth are nowhere near good enough and needs a fresh start
2. The regime have no idea regarding footballing ability
3. If they believe this bunch were good enough, then they MUST have expected failure.

Jonny, you have only just posted what I have been saying the last 2 seasons.

It was pure bullshit from Dalman / Glen Williams and Tan and I got slammed by the usual suspects, saying we suddenly had 12 near superstars all coming through at once.

There are even more names than above, I’ve put out lately.

It was because we had No intentions of really investing.

Hardly any of these players now start for City or even the lower league clubs they joined.

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The daily anti club sticky thread getting tiresome now .

The daily anti club sticky thread getting tiresome now .

Never anti club as you well know Wez, Anti Regime, the club is ours.

Only about 3 of you left still sticking up for the board / Regime / Committee / hierarchy who are destroying our club.

The daily anti club sticky thread getting tiresome now .

Never anti club as you well know Wez, Anti Regime, the club is ours.

Only about 3 of you left still sticking up for the board / Regime / Committee / hierarchy who are destroying our club.

the board should go ive been saying that for weeks but maybe most people can't ve bothered to post as much anymore .

I agree with what is said about the over exaggerated numbers but we do have some talent.

The two Colwills will make it despite the knockers on here.

Isaac Davies will make it (although not as a central striker).

And from what I saw at the PW7 game there are others who will also make it and already look very comfortable.

Add to that the fact that Etete is only 20 and that’s a pretty encouraging way forward.

The big thing that worries me about Warnock coming back is that he simply will not give them the time or encouragement to develop and we could lose them.

It’s no coincidence that we never had the young Premiership loans like Wilson, Drameh and Doyle until Warnock had left.

If he does come back it has to be short term otherwise we may live to regret him coming back in the longer term.

The daily anti club sticky thread getting tiresome now .

Never anti club as you well know Wez, Anti Regime, the club is ours.

Only about 3 of you left still sticking up for the board / Regime / Committee / hierarchy who are destroying our club.

Why are you so obsessed with people sticking up for the current regime ? Just because they have a different view point to you.

I’ve done so in the past but mainly because I don’t see any viable, trustworthy, alternatives that will pay Tan what he wants.

I absolutely agree that now is probably the right time for a change but not at any cost. I do want another Sam, I don’t want some venture capitalists, I want somebody with the money and willingness to invest in the long term.

I hope the rumours of Sullivan are correct but I have my doubts. If it did happen I would welcome him with open arms.

Just noticed a major error above ! I meant to say “I don’t want another Sam” !!

Talk about Freudian errors!!!!!

For me, I dont have an issue with people sticking with their opinions.

Its only my opinion that at this current time of unrest, mountain of concern, and mounting pressure to go, any prolonged support emboldens the regime, at a time when they should be listening to the majority and getting out.

I accept Tan wants as much as he can, but, he has always treated this as a normal business, and football isnt a normal business. Tan will make losses, and considerable ones at that, but he'll make more money going now than he will when we are in league 1.

Just noticed a major error above ! I meant to say “I don’t want another Sam” !!

Talk about Freudian errors!!!!!

I noticed! Didnt know where you stood on that, so thought it might be correct.

Fair enough, he also splits opinion, but I believe his marketing of the club outstrips anything any other owner has done...

Ciaran Brown is a massive favourite at Oxford.

He would do us a job at left back currently.

Ciaran Brown is a massive favourite at Oxford.

He would do us a job at left back currently.

Can’t agree with that. Just doesn’t have the pace to be a fullback at this level and certainly not good enough as a centre back.

Agree with all except Davies…the lad has been injured so how can he be an ongoing failure?
Didn’t Burnley want to sign him?
Reckon he will turn out decent.
Overall though , the current youth system is a big failure….

Ciaran Brown is a massive favourite at Oxford.

He would do us a job at left back currently.

He had plenty of chances at Cardiff, he’s not Championship quality.

Agree with all except Davies…the lad has been injured so how can he be an ongoing failure?
Didn’t Burnley want to sign him?
Reckon he will turn out decent.
Overall though , the current youth system is a big failure….

Striker Isaak Davies aged 21 30 appearances / 2 goals for the Bluebirds, def got great pace, but def not a striker.

It’s a massive failure, I agree with the OP , it was just Dalman & Media bullshit

Ciaran Brown is a massive favourite at Oxford.

He would do us a job at left back currently.

He had plenty of chances at Cardiff, he’s not Championship quality.

Playing for a team that sat back and let teams come at them which we did constantly.

He’s playing with confidence for a footballing side now and thriving.

We shall see about him being a championship player.

James Connolly is well thought of by Gas fans I recently met. Bar a recent injury he's been a regular starter for them since his move and I'm sure we got a undisclosed fee for him too.

When looking at the younger players, who have come into the team I accept that they will not possibility match up to the physical side of the game. inthe first few months. Son what i look for is how they are when they have the ball at their feet. Is their head up , Can they pick a pass out and choose the right option . Off the ball can they spot danger , move into dangerous position etc.

All i can say that in recent years for me only 2 player have even come close to this , Colwill on the ball ( Not so great off the ball ) Also Eli King i think has something about him. Apart from that I have seen nothing and that has proved right when you look at where the players who have made first team appearance.
Having had a son who played for the Cardiff academy The step up to the first team is a massive leap You have kids who are the best in their age group and look great playing in their age group , but moving into the men’s game ,you now are playing against the best of the best from the last 15 year plus of players that have come through the system .

Ciaran Brown is a massive favourite at Oxford.

He would do us a job at left back currently.

He had plenty of chances at Cardiff, he’s not Championship quality.

Playing for a team that sat back and let teams come at them which we did constantly.

He’s playing with confidence for a footballing side now and thriving.

We shall see about him being a championship player.

Oxford are 14th in league 1 and I always said Brown was a lower league player , I watched him many times in the Championship and he was not awful, but not good.
He failed at Cardiff a fact and was def not good enough under 2 or 3 different managers.

Ciaran Brown is a massive favourite at Oxford.

He would do us a job at left back currently.

He had plenty of chances at Cardiff, he’s not Championship quality.

Playing for a team that sat back and let teams come at them which we did constantly.

He’s playing with confidence for a footballing side now and thriving.

We shall see about him being a championship player.

Oxford are 14th in league 1 and I always said Brown was a lower league player , I watched him many times in the Championship and he was not awful, but not good.
He failed at Cardiff a fact and was def not good enough under 2 or 3 different managers.

A lower league player no doubt who will earn a living from the game I will say that he is a better defender than Davis and Harris are forwards and that say something about their game

Agree with all except Davies…the lad has been injured so how can he be an ongoing failure?
Didn’t Burnley want to sign him?
Reckon he will turn out decent.
Overall though , the current youth system is a big failure….

Striker Isaak Davies aged 21 30 appearances / 2 goals for the Bluebirds, def got great pace, but def not a striker.

It’s a massive failure, I agree with the OP , it was just Dalman & Media bullshit

i think the Davies criticism is a bit harsh, he might be a striker naturally, but when he plays he plays as a winger not a striker.

but its a funny one academy players, we had Ben Nugent, playing CB for us quite often a few years back, looked really good, then got released and is now playing elsewhere, i think a big thing is really the players you play with, Davies for example, if we had a striker who could finish, and he played on the wing often, he might be getting 15+ assists a season, then all of a sudden people look at him differently. when you win, people ignore poor performances, its only when you lose do they get highlighted.

although i must admit, i am still very unsure about Colwill/Colwell, as i just don't see what everyone else does, he has a trick up his sleeve, but i don't see what he offers, might be because he's played out wide and his talent is wasted so i won't judge him until he plays as a number 10 more often.

Ciaran Brown is a massive favourite at Oxford.

He would do us a job at left back currently.

He had plenty of chances at Cardiff, he’s not Championship quality.

Playing for a team that sat back and let teams come at them which we did constantly.

He’s playing with confidence for a footballing side now and thriving.

We shall see about him being a championship player.

Oxford are 14th in league 1 and I always said Brown was a lower league player , I watched him many times in the Championship and he was not awful, but not good.
He failed at Cardiff a fact and was def not good enough under 2 or 3 different managers.

A lower league player no doubt who will earn a living from the game I will say that he is a better defender than Davis and Harris are forwards and that say something about their game

We shall see.

Ben Nugent now with Gloucester City. Tom James and Tom Davies other youngsters just got swallowed up in the system.

James now with Orient, probably had the best success of all quoted. Davies still with us but never given a mention. He's 20 this year.

Re Isaac Davies, maybe a luttle harsh, but he'll be graded on goals scored at which he has lacked.

And to think, many of these players were given contract extensions. What was Choo, Tan and Dalman thinking?

We've got a crop of about 5 years with promising players. But that's all they are at this point.
You don't know how good they are until they train with the men.

Its where the saying it's men v boys comes from.
Every club has the same issue.

But you don't pull the plug on a youth academy due to it.

Also crole, both colwill, Davies. Don't seem to have mentioned those.

We've got a crop of about 5 years with promising players. But that's all they are at this point.
You don't know how good they are until they train with the men.

Its where the saying it's men v boys comes from.
Every club has the same issue.

But you don't pull the plug on a youth academy due to it.

Exactly, Spot on.

But Tan, Dalman and Glen Williams thought we were all mugs and wanted us to believe that we suddenly had about a dozen new stars that had suddenly all came through at once. I said back then, No chance it does not happen, usual suspects slagged me down and have virtually disappeared now.

Your lucky if 1 or 2 make it a season, we in the last 12 years will have been lucky if 3-5 players have actually made it.

Its interesting, Crole, I'd like to see more of to get an idea of where he can go. Strikes me as having more of a footballing stature, looked good in the air pre season, and did well ball at feet.

Colwill snr, I just cannot see the hype. For me, for him to develop, he needs to be surrounded by far better players to see his true worth.

Colwill jnr, I really havent seen.

Davies, Ive mentioned is an ongoing failure.

We've got a crop of about 5 years with promising players. But that's all they are at this point.
You don't know how good they are until they train with the men.

Its where the saying it's men v boys comes from.
Every club has the same issue.

But you don't pull the plug on a youth academy due to it.

Exactly, Spot on.

But Tan, Dalman and Glen Williams thought we were all mugs and wanted us to believe that we suddenly had about a dozen new stars that had suddenly all came through at once. I said back then, No chance it does not happen, usual suspects slagged me down and have virtually disappeared now.

Your lucky if 1 or 2 make it a season, we in the last 12 years will have been lucky if 3-5 players have actually made it.

Yea that's the problem. They aren't football men, as much as like they like to think they are.
You know me, I've always give them the benefit of doubt. But I've had enough something needs to change.

We can't gamble on kids who are 14,15,16 etc and bank on them. I've had friends who was highly thought of at Cardiff at that age and decided they aren't committed enough for football at 16.

But on the flip we need to give these kids tools to succeed just incase we do uncover another gem.

I've followed the youth development for around 10 years due to family in and around it. And have seen a few which I'm impressed with.
I honestly feel both colwills got a chance. Leahey aswell has impressed me, I'm hoping next season is a big season for him..... But again, these are bonuses you can't bank on them.

We've got a crop of about 5 years with promising players. But that's all they are at this point.
You don't know how good they are until they train with the men.

Its where the saying it's men v boys comes from.
Every club has the same issue.

But you don't pull the plug on a youth academy due to it.

Exactly, Spot on.

But Tan, Dalman and Glen Williams thought we were all mugs and wanted us to believe that we suddenly had about a dozen new stars that had suddenly all came through at once. I said back then, No chance it does not happen, usual suspects slagged me down and have virtually disappeared now.

Your lucky if 1 or 2 make it a season, we in the last 12 years will have been lucky if 3-5 players have actually made it.

Yea that's the problem. They aren't football men, as much as like they like to think they are.
You know me, I've always give them the benefit of doubt. But I've had enough something needs to change.

We can't gamble on kids who are 14,15,16 etc and bank on them. I've had friends who was highly thought of at Cardiff at that age and decided they aren't committed enough for football at 16.

But on the flip we need to give these kids tools to succeed just incase we do uncover another gem.

I've followed the youth development for around 10 years due to family in and around it. And have seen a few which I'm impressed with.
I honestly feel both colwills got a chance. Leahey aswell has impressed me, I'm hoping next season is a big season for him..... But again, these are bonuses you can't bank on them.

All promising youngsters should be loaned out. A season in L2 or even the conference provides that competitive edge needed that they can't get from academy football. Colwill and Davies should have done the same if the squad wasn't so thin. A few current academy players, Colwill crole etc should be pushing for a loan for competitive football for the remainder of the season.