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‘ UNBELIEVABLE ‘

Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:02 pm

Wales rode their luck beyond, and for me unbelievable that we came away with a draw today and still have a chance in the tournament.

Unbelievable that we managed to survive 98mins at 0-0 and then conceded 2 goals.

Wales gave their all but not good enough.


Iran had lost their pregame 6-2 v England

Wales had drawn 1-1 v USA


I thought Gareth Bale for the 2nd game did nothing.

I thought Kieffer Moore defended and attacked beyond.

Iran were awful v England, but today they were able to look really good.

Do Wales now need to beat England to go through???

IRAN 2 WALES 0

Goalkeeper Wayne Hennessy was sent off for Wales for a deliberate foul minutes before the 90 mins.

Iran hit the post twice and Hennessy made numerous saves.

Iran had a goal disallowed


Wales did have one great chance.


To be be honest band fair Iran who are in turmoil deserved their win
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Re: ‘ UNBELIEVABLE ‘

Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:04 pm

Worse than watching Cardiff.

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Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:08 pm

Every man was woeful.

Couldn't pass to a red shirt.
Never took the simple otpion.

That was there to be won.

Tactics all wrong.

Bale anonymous.

Why 5 at the back Vs 1 striker and no midfield.

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Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:08 pm

Yes could need to beat England but need more than a miracle in fact need for England to not to turn up.. scenario is beat England by 2 usa to lose to England.... and iran need draw against usa.. or wales match
usa score if they beat iran simples :mrgreen:

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Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:11 pm

Inept management....simples.

no need for 5 at the back

Bale and Rambo contributed nothing, absolutely nothing, in fact, got in the way and stole the jersey from someone who could run.

Football is a game for young men and oldies wrecked it

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Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:11 pm

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Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:12 pm

pembroke allan wrote:Yes could need to beat England but need more than a miracle in fact need for England to not to turn up.. scenario is beat England usa to lose to England.... and iran need draw against usa.. and wales match
usa score if they beat iran simples :mrgreen:
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Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:12 pm

Bale , Ramsey and Allen have had their day . Allen two assists . Time to move on .

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Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:21 pm

Shocking, shocking, shocking . So many incomplete passes, Bale and Ramsey terrible. Wales got what they deserved- f**k all. Massively out of their depth.

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Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:25 pm

Same as with the rugby its jobs for the boys in Welsh National sport. An absolute disgrace.

Page was only Wales assistant in the first place because he was mates with Giggs and is then leading us out at a World Cup, taking players who should be absolutely nowhere near the squad and not having the balls to take off names who are past it.

Look at Iran with a Portuguese manager, now Bale and Ramsey are past it we’re going to need to look outside of the existing setup and friends to find a coach who is actually tactically astute and can’t rely on moments of magic

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Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:32 pm

Tactically out played and doesn't help bale and ramsey were both again the worst players on the pitch like they was on Monday too

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Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:32 pm

Page proved today his coaching ability non exist ant.Bale Ramsey Time for their pension. Rondon Mepham not good enough Sorry but never rated Page took on Giggs team but still had to keep the old geriaticts. Beat England dream on. No excuses Wales were rubbish Page has to go he hasent a clue. Wrong tactics wrong team selection

Re: ‘ UNBELIEVABLE ‘

Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:37 pm

MikeP wrote:Page proved today his coaching ability non exist ant.Bale Ramsey Time for their pension. Rondon Mepham not good enough Sorry but never rated Page took on Giggs team but still had to keep the old geriaticts. Beat England dream on. No excuses Wales were rubbish Page has to go he hasent a clue. Wrong tactics wrong team selection



Ramsey's problem is page is playing him to deep or not putting in right players to make Ramsey effective? Ramsey is an attacking midfielder not a holding one as page insists on doing ... bale impact sub at best now unless he gets his act together and plays proper football not the dross on USA .. both unquestionably not match fit the main reason for their performances

Re: ‘ UNBELIEVABLE ‘

Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:38 pm

We are a tiny country with a limited player pool, so i accept we are what we are, but Harris would have contributed more than Bale and this isn't a bad game, its over the last 18 months.

Ramsey is not fit and never a holding midfielder, Morrell is better at that than him, but their star status ensured Page didn't need to make a call, like a proper manager would have.

Anyway, that's the nationalists and day tripper gone.

Re: ‘ UNBELIEVABLE ‘

Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:42 pm

That was as bad as watching City this season. You have to blame Page for his poor tactics and being loyal to players that haven’t been at their best. We couldn’t string two passes together, and looked so disjointed. It’s sad to say, but Bale and Ramsey look like they are finished.

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Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:47 pm

BaltimoreBlues wrote:That was as bad as watching City this season. You have to blame Page for his poor tactics and being loyal to players that haven’t been at their best. We couldn’t string two passes together, and looked so disjointed. It’s sad to say, but Bale and Ramsey look like they are finished.



Bale Ramsey problem is they were not match fit! Bale needs to play in proper league and same for Ramsey and get fit if they are to play anymore for Wales.... as for today a draw was a better result for us so page should have shut up shop after red card instead we push forward... simply put we are relying on results going our way? but the loss means instead of scenario of needing a draw against England we now need a win ... think this shows naivity of pages tactical thinking.
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Re: ‘ UNBELIEVABLE ‘

Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:48 pm

I’m afraid they got what they deserved today. Absolutely woeful. Looked like they were playing with a ball that was twice as heavy as normal as they couldn’t pass over the player in front of them. Injuries seem to have brought Bale and Ramsey down to anonymous level and most of the team weren’t much better either. Still keep supporting them though.

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Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:01 pm

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Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:09 pm

Page has not brought through any young ones

Giggs brought the young ones through
Page has stayed with loyalty he even asks bale and rambo what they think
Not the man to take us forward and i said before 5 at the back ffs
england have moved on with youngsters and ditched the old gard page has stayed gynter jonny williams you have to blood young players he has failed to do so
Giggs to fair did push them through.

Re: ‘ UNBELIEVABLE ‘

Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:14 pm

Page should have had Joe allan on from the start and take him off when he is f.ck.d
but joe allan is not an impact player/sub
so page got it wrong tactically and again the same as not playing moore from the start against usa

Re: ‘ UNBELIEVABLE ‘

Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:19 pm

montyblue wrote:Page should have had Joe allan on from the start and take him off when he is f.ck.d
but joe allan is not an impact player/sub
so page got it wrong tactically and again the same as not playing moore from the start against usa



What difference did it do playing moore from start?
Managers pick team to suit opposition generally especially in taunements.... so starting moore had no significant impact today because of pages tactics....

Re: ‘ UNBELIEVABLE ‘

Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:22 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
BaltimoreBlues wrote:That was as bad as watching City this season. You have to blame Page for his poor tactics and being loyal to players that haven’t been at their best. We couldn’t string two passes together, and looked so disjointed. It’s sad to say, but Bale and Ramsey look like they are finished.



Bale Ramsey problem is they were not match fit! Bale needs to play in proper league and same for Ramsey and get fit if they are to play anymore for Wales.... as for today a draw was a better result for us so page should have shut up shop after red card instead we push forward... simply put we are relying on results going our way? but the loss means instead of scenario of needing a draw against England we now need a win ... think this shows naivity of pages tactical thinking.[/quote

Your right it definitely didn’t help with the match fitness of Bale and Ramsey, maybe that’s why I’m looking at them like they are finished. You have to blame Page though as he doesn’t know how to set up the team. He also stays to loyal to players who haven’t been performing, or playing at club level

Re: ‘ UNBELIEVABLE ‘

Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:41 pm

PEMBROKE ALLAN

Playing moore without 2 wingers was shocking it should have been allan from the start nit as an impact sub and james and Johnson where to late arrivals

Re: ‘ UNBELIEVABLE ‘

Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:52 pm

Had a bad feeling about this game before the start of the tournament, with the midday heat and our best players not tournament fit.

For the likes of Rambo, Bale, Allen their prime was Euro 16. Football changes a lot in a year never mind 6

With the 6-2 hammering and all the turmoil in their county you hope they might have other distractions but in the end we were beat by a better team, more experienced at world cups, A more experienced coach, players hitting prime rather than over the hill and in conditions that suited them a lot more than us.

Some of the dross for ex players like Robbie Savage acting like they're a parks team shows how clueless they really are.

I think the players will be gutted that they made so many unforced errors and kept giving the ball away so cheaply.

Williams, back 3 & kieffer aside rest were miles off it.

England game will be closure for a few and the rebuild starts with a new generation of players.

Gutted but you have to be unbelievably proud of the experiences and memories these players have given us.

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Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:59 pm

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Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:09 pm

Look we all wanted to see Wales at the World Cup and we have,that’s the positives.
A big negative fore me is why did we give Page such a long contract,it should have been until the Tournament and then reviewed.
He’s totally out of his depth and I believe The superstar players are involved with squad/team selection and tactics.
How Ramsey stayed on for as long as he did is just amazing.
Unfortunately all this brotherly/togetherness will only take you so far and we have reached our limit with it.
Once again I am grateful to have seen Wales at this tournament but a slight change of policy is needed cos it’s been a let down.

Re: ‘ UNBELIEVABLE ‘

Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:16 pm

Playing without wingers for moore and asking wing backs to bomb up and down the wings in that heat shows how naive page is.

Re: ‘ UNBELIEVABLE ‘

Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:37 pm

I’m as disappointed as anyone and we were poor but the disrespect being shown on this post is shocking.

Re: ‘ UNBELIEVABLE ‘

Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:06 pm

I don't think it is disrespectful to point out that the Manager got team selection, formation, tactics and substitutions totally wrong.

Re: ‘ UNBELIEVABLE ‘

Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:30 pm

philrogers wrote:I don't think it is disrespectful to point out that the Manager got team selection, formation, tactics and substitutions totally wrong.


Not talking about those posts