Change of name

I am Welsh and proud of it. I also speak fluent Welsh and received my education in Welsh . However, I do not believe it’s right that such prominence is given to this movement to change everything to ‘all things Welsh’. The FAW now want to change the bone of our national team to Cymru. Why? They have said it is a democratic move but that is not true because they have already started negotiations with UEFA. No doubt this will be as democratic as The Senedd and Cardiff council doing feasibility studies before they finally do what the hell they want anyway. This Labour/Plaid pact has eliminated democracy completely. Thoughts?

I am Welsh and proud of it. I also speak fluent Welsh and received my education in Welsh . However, I do not believe it’s right that such prominence is given to this movement to change everything to ‘all things Welsh’. The FAW now want to change the bone of our national team to Cymru. Why? They have said it is a democratic move but that is not true because they have already started negotiations with UEFA. No doubt this will be as democratic as The Senedd and Cardiff council doing feasibility studies before they finally do what the hell they want anyway. This Labour/Plaid pact has eliminated democracy completely. Thoughts?

They are following other countries who have changed names to their native language... this as been creeping in over a period of time regarding Wales football.. they simply want an identity that is in keeping with the language and culture of Wales.

Where's Wales ? Is it in England

How many times do you have to explain ? Cymru will just confuse it even more.

Anyway, we'll be crap again soon so all our new found nationalists will get back to supporting Liverpool, United and the six nations

Thinking about it, the stereotypical media view of Wales is rugby and they are still called Wales and they invented Welshness

An excellent idea. We're Welsh and have an incredible history that was suppressed by the English during the 1600s and beyond.

We should take more pride in our language and heritage. I'm all for it.

If nothing else sheep shaggers is known in strange places? The barman in Antigua knew about it when said wad from wales..

With more people in Wales speaking English, the present name represents the majority.

Should show all Wales games on S4C, and not on the English channels.

I blame Tan.

He'll be wanting the team to wear red shirts if we're not careful

And have some sort of dragon on the badge!

So much for Welsh and English having equal status. Sorry. I don’t care what Wales means in dialects used centuries ago. It’s the name of my country. My country which has happily got 2 names. It may annoy people. But most of us here. Even with a couple of decades of compulsory Welsh GCSEs. Still mps you speak English. We should respect that

I blame Tan.

He'll be wanting the team to wear red shirts if we're not careful

And have some sort of dragon on the badge!

Personally I think it’s a good idea and wish it had been implemented years ago.

I blame Tan.

He'll be wanting the team to wear red shirts if we're not careful

And have some sort of dragon on the badge!

Fair do's; made oi larff...!

So much for Welsh and English having equal status. Sorry. I don’t care what Wales means in dialects used centuries ago. It’s the name of my country. My country which has happily got 2 names. It may annoy people. But most of us here. Even with a couple of decades of compulsory Welsh GCSEs. Still mps you speak English. We should respect that

This isn't a dialect used centuries ago. This has been the language of our country for 4,000 years, far longer than English. It's our tradition and national identity, and it should be preserved.

The number of Welsh speakers increases yearly, which is great to see, and if you travel to parts of North Wales, you'll find communities and people who speak Welsh as their first language. Some don't speak English at all.

You can still respect those who speak English while putting our national language first.

I think it's fantastic to see the country find a sense of pride in its language, heritage, and history. I wish other countries, too, would take pride in their national identity and stop allowing the internationalists/globalists to shame them. It's amazing to visit different countries and experience their cultures.

The history of Wales is old, it's amazing, and we should take pride in it!

It's not the official changing of the name, that could have happened years ago without a blinking of an eye. For me its the slow drip-drip politicisation of sport that is pissing me off. Yes Cymru are ridiculously overexposed in the media compared to their actual members, the Welsh RSPB probably has more members, but you'd never see that with the clever photographic angles taken at rallies. They have attached themselves to a successful football team in a global sport. Rugby is basically an old empire sport so doesn't count as they all know where Wales is and the stereotype of a Welsh rugger fan is set.

The whole red wall concept is a marketing team fantasy, trust me, we go out early which we may do and it will be back the the reddish with lots of blue spaces wall after the world cup. These are the same type of people who manage to support city in the premier league or when we are doing well.

It makes so little difference if we are Cymru or Wales, it will annoy the fcuk out of the nationalists when it is pronounced cum-roo to everyone bar the BBC and Sky, because on the world stage we barely register, the UK doesn't so forget about 5% of it.

The FAW have got a lot right recently but that is dwarfed by the fcuk up after fcuk up and poor decisions over the last 100 years, they are bound the buck the recent trend soon.

My first game was Czechslovakia around 76 my last Belgium before Euro 16 as after that i refused to buy a membership to buy a ticket. I will always support us from the pub or sofa, but my stadium days are gone. I hope the new fans whether Wales or Cymru stick with it without the glut of top level players that will retire in two months' time.

Welsh was spoken right up the west of Britain into central Scotland, should the Scots be forced to revert to speaking Welsh? The language is promoted by secessionists who wish to split up the country. We are being railroaded by a small noisy minority.

Welsh was spoken right up the west of Britain into central Scotland, should the Scots be forced to revert to speaking Welsh? The language is promoted by secessionists who wish to split up the country. We are being railroaded by a small noisy minority.

Nobody is forcing anybody to speak Welsh. It's Welsh people taking pride in their national identity. The only reason it was suppressed is due to penal laws forced on the Welsh by the English around 1600.

Every country and its people should be allowed to take pride in their national identity and history without being shamed by a people who'd prefer we lived in a homogenized society.

It's not the official changing of the name, that could have happened years ago without a blinking of an eye. For me its the slow drip-drip politicisation of sport that is pissing me off. Yes Cymru are ridiculously overexposed in the media compared to their actual members, the Welsh RSPB probably has more members, but you'd never see that with the clever photographic angles taken at rallies. They have attached themselves to a successful football team in a global sport. Rugby is basically an old empire sport so doesn't count as they all know where Wales is and the stereotype of a Welsh rugger fan is set.

The whole red wall concept is a marketing team fantasy, trust me, we go out early which we may do and it will be back the the reddish with lots of blue spaces wall after the world cup. These are the same type of people who manage to support city in the premier league or when we are doing well.

It makes so little difference if we are Cymru or Wales, it will annoy the fcuk out of the nationalists when it is pronounced cum-roo to everyone bar the BBC and Sky, because on the world stage we barely register, the UK doesn't so forget about 5% of it.

The FAW have got a lot right recently but that is dwarfed by the fcuk up after fcuk up and poor decisions over the last 100 years, they are bound the buck the recent trend soon.

My first game was Czechslovakia around 76 my last Belgium before Euro 16 as after that i refused to buy a membership to buy a ticket. I will always support us from the pub or sofa, but my stadium days are gone. I hope the new fans whether Wales or Cymru stick with it without the glut of top level players that will retire in two months' time.

I agree with a lot of what you have said. Although this should be separated from politics. This is Welsh national identity and history, and all Welsh people should take pride in that in my opinion. Just as they should be proud to be British etc.

Don't see the point in changing the name. We are referred to as 'Cymru' in Welsh anyway but we remain a country of mostly English speakers who have no issues with the name Wales and prefer it not to change.

It will only cause confusion or ignorance abroad and I also fear that fans shouting Wales will encounter abuse as I expect the whole thing to be divisive as any political thing in sport is.

Don't think chanting "Cymru, Cymru" will have the same "Hwyl" as "Wales, Wales" - just won't seem right to me

Brilliant idea in my opinion. For far too long Cymraeg has been written off as a dying language, when in fact the number of Welsh speakers is only rising among young people. It's about preserving Welsh identity and that should only be encouraged. Da iawn, Noel Mooney and co.

So much for Welsh and English having equal status. Sorry. I don’t care what Wales means in dialects used centuries ago. It’s the name of my country. My country which has happily got 2 names. It may annoy people. But most of us here. Even with a couple of decades of compulsory Welsh GCSEs. Still mps you speak English. We should respect that

This isn't a dialect used centuries ago. This has been the language of our country for 4,000 years, far longer than English. It's our tradition and national identity, and it should be preserved.

The number of Welsh speakers increases yearly, which is great to see, and if you travel to parts of North Wales, you'll find communities and people who speak Welsh as their first language. Some don't speak English at all.

You can still respect those who speak English while putting our national language first.

I think it's fantastic to see the country find a sense of pride in its language, heritage, and history. I wish other countries, too, would take pride in their national identity and stop allowing the internationalists/globalists to shame them. It's amazing to visit different countries and experience their cultures.

The history of Wales is old, it's amazing, and we should take pride in it!

Most of us do take pride in Our history and culture. This isn’t want I’m referring to.

I’m fine with welsh as a language being encouraged. I think it’s a good thing. I’m not in favour of compulsion.

Why can’t we officially be known by both Cymru and Wales?

I’ve been on the receiving end of unprompted nationalist abuse. It’s not pleasant. Moves like this stir the pot of division when a simple approach woikd be to embrace both and let the fans develop the name they wish to use.

So much for Welsh and English having equal status. Sorry. I don’t care what Wales means in dialects used centuries ago. It’s the name of my country. My country which has happily got 2 names. It may annoy people. But most of us here. Even with a couple of decades of compulsory Welsh GCSEs. Still mps you speak English. We should respect that

This isn't a dialect used centuries ago. This has been the language of our country for 4,000 years, far longer than English. It's our tradition and national identity, and it should be preserved.

The number of Welsh speakers increases yearly, which is great to see, and if you travel to parts of North Wales, you'll find communities and people who speak Welsh as their first language. Some don't speak English at all.

You can still respect those who speak English while putting our national language first.

I think it's fantastic to see the country find a sense of pride in its language, heritage, and history. I wish other countries, too, would take pride in their national identity and stop allowing the internationalists/globalists to shame them. It's amazing to visit different countries and experience their cultures.

The history of Wales is old, it's amazing, and we should take pride in it!

Most of us do take pride in Our history and culture. This isn’t want I’m referring to.

I’m fine with welsh as a language being encouraged. I think it’s a good thing. I’m not in favour of compulsion.

Why can’t we officially be known by both Cymru and Wales?

I’ve been on the receiving end of unprompted nationalist abuse. It’s not pleasant. Moves like this stir the pot of division when a simple approach woikd be to embrace both and let the fans develop the name they wish to use.

I went to a Welsh school and also witnessed people being looked down upon in certain pubs/bars for not speaking Welsh, which isn't good. I totally agree.

I remember once speaking English with my brother, and people started talking about is in Welsh, not knowing we could understand them. This type of behavior shouldn't be tolerated. While our national language is Welsh, we're a bilingual country.

Although I think this is a separate issue. For me, being known by our national name is amazing. I agree with the issues you have raised, though, and they definitely require attention too!

I blame Tan.

He'll be wanting the team to wear red shirts if we're not careful

And have some sort of dragon on the badge!

Fair do's; made oi larff...!

Me too.

Ian is furious and wondering how long before he can use this on his bingo checklist.

Welsh was spoken right up the west of Britain into central Scotland, should the Scots be forced to revert to speaking Welsh? The language is promoted by secessionists who wish to split up the country. We are being railroaded by a small noisy minority.

Nobody is forcing anybody to speak Welsh. It's Welsh people taking pride in their national identity. The only reason it was suppressed is due to penal laws forced on the Welsh by the English around 1600.

Every country and its people should be allowed to take pride in their national identity and history without being shamed by a people who'd prefer we lived in a homogenized society.

I have no problem with you speaking Welsh, if you want to. However I believe it’s been drip fed into English language TV by adverts and public info film in Welsh, also when English speakers outnumber Welsh speakers by about 5 to 1 why is Welsh given priority in signage. It’s an emotive divisive issue and we’re not going to agree it’s just personally I see little benefit in spreading the language, perhaps because I’m a soulless pragmatist.

Fwiw. My abuse came in university and happened after a 6 nations rugby match. We got beaten by England and as you can imagine I wasn’t amused. Welsh speaking flat above mine plastered my flat with all sorts of paper cuttings mostly along the lines of “f off you English barstewards” which we found on our return from the pub. My flat had 3 south walians and a German. Same flat refused to speak ti us for the whole time we were there. Not a pleasant experience.

Imho ForcEd division on language grounds fosters hatred rather than allowing people to grow naturally together.

Welsh was spoken right up the west of Britain into central Scotland, should the Scots be forced to revert to speaking Welsh? The language is promoted by secessionists who wish to split up the country. We are being railroaded by a small noisy minority.

Nobody is forcing anybody to speak Welsh. It's Welsh people taking pride in their national identity. The only reason it was suppressed is due to penal laws forced on the Welsh by the English around 1600.

Every country and its people should be allowed to take pride in their national identity and history without being shamed by a people who'd prefer we lived in a homogenized society.

I have no problem with you speaking Welsh, if you want to. However I believe it’s been drip fed into English language TV by adverts and public info film in Welsh, also when English speakers outnumber Welsh speakers by about 5 to 1 why is Welsh given priority in signage. It’s an emotive divisive issue and we’re not going to agree it’s just personally I see little benefit in spreading the language, perhaps because I’m a soulless pragmatist.

Simply because it is our national identity and history that has lasted for over 4,000 years, we should be proud of a rich history that is older than most European countries.

We should be fighting to preserve our national identity and promote it while not using it as a form of division.

While some do use the Welsh language as a way to divide, which they shouldn't, to consider the Welsh language as divisive is very narrow-minded and far from pragmatic, in my opinion. The sensible thing is to preserve and share our identity with the world and to encourage more Welsh people to take up learning the language, so we can embrace our culture together.

Fwiw. My abuse came in university and happened after a 6 nations rugby match. We got beaten by England and as you can imagine I wasn’t amused. Welsh speaking flat above mine plastered my flat with all sorts of paper cuttings mostly along the lines of “f off you English barstewards” which we found on our return from the pub. My flat had 3 south walians and a German. Same flat refused to speak ti us for the whole time we were there. Not a pleasant experience.

Imho ForcEd division on language grounds fosters hatred rather than allowing people to grow naturally together.

A shameful experience, and I am sure many English and people of other nationalities experience similar, not just in Wales but abroad too.

You can include such examples by removing the Welsh language, like City fans singing "oh, England is full of shit" at the CCS.

That said, nobody is forcing anybody to speak Welsh; we just ask to be recognized by our national language. If people still want to say "Wales" there is nothing preventing that.

Unless you have a name like Ap Gruffydd or Ap Llwelyn or Ap Dai the Bus then we are all foreigners really derived from travelling from England, Ireland, Scotland Norway, Denmark et al. My great grandfather derives from Hereford and GGG from Devon but I am Welsh from Wales or Cymru or whatever you want to call it. Jumping on this nationalist bandwagon is just ridiculous and the FAW or whatever they want to be called should concentrate on making sure any Euros game in the future is not played at the Rugby stadium!

Unless you have a name like Ap Gruffydd or Ap Llwelyn or Ap Dai the Bus then we are all foreigners really derived from travelling from England, Ireland, Scotland Norway, Denmark et al. My great grandfather derives from Hereford and GGG from Devon but I am Welsh from Wales or Cymru or whatever you want to call it. Jumping on this nationalist bandwagon is just ridiculous and the FAW or whatever they want to be called should concentrate on making sure any Euros game in the future is not played at the Rugby stadium!

It's unfortunate to see how little people care about their history, culture, and identity.

I guess this is the modern-day era, where multiculturalism has made everything stale and homogenized.

When I visit Italy, I want Italian culture.

When I visit France, I want to experience French culture.

And when I am in Wales, I'd love to see a population of people proud of their history and culture too.

Anyway, I've voiced my opinion enough today, and I hope to see Cymru represented in its native language on the global stage.

When does culture change?

The Welsh language is a minority language. Was it ever a majority language? Even when I lived on Anglesey it was hardly all Welsh speaking.

I’m proud of being Welsh and proud of my country.

The capital is Cardiff, very few speak Welsh.

How will we be referred if it does change? The Cymrus?

Unless you have a name like Ap Gruffydd or Ap Llwelyn or Ap Dai the Bus then we are all foreigners really derived from travelling from England, Ireland, Scotland Norway, Denmark et al. My great grandfather derives from Hereford and GGG from Devon but I am Welsh from Wales or Cymru or whatever you want to call it. Jumping on this nationalist bandwagon is just ridiculous and the FAW or whatever they want to be called should concentrate on making sure any Euros game in the future is not played at the Rugby stadium!

It's unfortunate to see how little people care about their history, culture, and identity.

I guess this is the modern-day era, where multiculturalism has made everything stale and homogenized.

When I visit Italy, I want Italian culture.

When I visit France, I want to experience French culture.

And when I am in Wales, I'd love to see a population of people proud of their history and culture too.

Anyway, I've voiced my opinion enough today, and I hope to see Cymru represented in its native language on the global stage.

I care about my culture, my history and my identity. I class myself as Welsh but changing a name is not going to bring those three things to the forefront. We have a Secretary of State for Wales appointed by an English Prime Minister, the previous one lived in Swindon and was MP for Swindon we have a Prince handed that title by a King who historically is the King of England. All our signs are in English, Welsh though compulsory in schools is taught maybe once a fortnight.
Our clubs play in the English leagues and we have Black history month (which is fine by the way) but we dont have a Welsh history month.

The name Cymru changes none of that apart from appease a few based in North Wales.