O/T - Can you now explain to me what a COVIDiot is?

I invite you all to consider your previous posts, as the truth is now seeping through.......and Peter's finger may no longer hold the dyke!

In my opinion, this Covid farce has been nothing more than a criminal exploit, driven by big pharma greed, Government and MSM compliance and total subservience/fear by the populous.

It is quite obvious, even to the less educated, that we were lied to, manipulated, sold short and used as pawns with no legitimate concern for our welfare.

When the CEO of Pfizer refuses to turn up to answer to the European Parliament.....Houston...we have a problem.

Link below for a balanced view from Dr John Campbell....make your own mind up, as always.

https://youtu.be/HnSnQor8zDY

Its just another slur used to label people who disagree with another forced narrative
Many people will have more holes in them then our current back four soon enough
More fool them
The vaccine passport , BS LFT testing and club bending over for the governments nonsensical rules will ensure supporting City will never be the same again for me in truth
As someone who teaches and coaches children / young adults i will never forget what a bunch of gutless hypochondria ridden adults has done to them, and all for what? Despicable

Yep the whole world fell for the same lies as those in uk worlds greatest diseption in history.... but of course all those that put out false information regarding covid not even existing were doing it for the good of mankind....... and if you think your rights was curtailed by UK government and WG of course.. should have been over here people like you hangman would not been allowed out house never mind go to work so you think uk forced things on you.... even now you cannot go into a supermarket without a security guard making sure you sanitize your hands..... so yes the whole world including the queen were duped into having vaccine that was totally unnecessary... ..and I like many didn't believe in the amount of deaths from covid so no I didn't believe every word said by anyone gvmnt or conspiracy pherosist... like most people I made informed decision for vaccine myself...
Anyway said my war and peace now off to Sandra's bar for dinner with my better half.

Yep the whole world fell for the same lies as those in uk worlds greatest diseption in history.... but of course all those that put out false information regarding covid not even existing were doing it for the good of mankind....... and if you think your rights was curtailed by UK government and WG of course.. should have been over here people like you hangman would not been allowed out house never mind go to work so you think uk forced things on you.... even now you cannot go into a supermarket without a security guard making sure you sanitize your hands..... so yes the whole world including the queen were duped into having vaccine that was totally unnecessary... ..and I like many didn't believe in the amount of deaths from covid so no I didn't believe every word said by anyone gvmnt or conspiracy pherosist... like most people I made informed decision for vaccine myself...
Anyway said my war and peace now off to Sandra's bar for dinner with my better half.

You are right Allan....we agree on some things and disagree on others, therein lies the beauty of debate.

But as you well know......when we were telling the truth we were tried to be shut down, silenced, cancelled and all the rest of it. Where are those voices now?......because they have been recorded......

What are you saying?

You know we are practically back to normal? Any conspiracy theory perpetrated by covidiots had the premise that governments would never allow normality to resume. That simply has not been true.

Stop spreading your pish about a virus that may have caused the death of families of people on here.

Yep the whole world fell for the same lies as those in uk worlds greatest diseption in history.... but of course all those that put out false information regarding covid not even existing were doing it for the good of mankind....... and if you think your rights was curtailed by UK government and WG of course.. should have been over here people like you hangman would not been allowed out house never mind go to work so you think uk forced things on you.... even now you cannot go into a supermarket without a security guard making sure you sanitize your hands..... so yes the whole world including the queen were duped into having vaccine that was totally unnecessary... ..and I like many didn't believe in the amount of deaths from covid so no I didn't believe every word said by anyone gvmnt or conspiracy pherosist... like most people I made informed decision for vaccine myself...
Anyway said my war and peace now off to Sandra's bar for dinner with my better half.

You are right Allan....we agree on some things and disagree on others, therein lies the beauty of debate.

But as you well know......when we were telling the truth we were tried to be shut down, silenced, cancelled and all the rest of it. Where are those voices now?......because they have been recorded......

Like I said the truth is what you want to believe.... you believe the conspiracy pherosist others believe what they see and know ... may try shut them down but that's because you and the like are dangerous... .. (as quoted previously mmr vaccine conspiracy theorists caused countless deaths and disabilities) like said you believe whole world conspired to deceive the people because as you know it effected whole world not just uk ... if you believe that well no point discussing it further..

Not wanting to fight HM's battles for him as he is more than elequent and well versed enough to look after himself but after the derby loss, looking for a distraction to stop me kicking the dog (and we don't have a dog so it would be a frustrating task all around)

You know we are practically back to normal?

Sure except:

• The entire goddam global economy is on its knees thanks to sustained and unnecessary lockdowns
  
  https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/re ... 0estimates.
  
  
• We now have excess mortality at 15% compared to 2020 where it was 3% and 2021 where it was 6%
  
  https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/produ ... 20220916-1
  
  
• Conservative estimate is a minimum of 5% increase in preventable deaths to cancer alone - other major diseases are also comparable
  
  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lano ... 70-2045(20)30388-0/
  
  
• Kids aged between 3 and 5 have had their social and psychological development severely impacted by compulsory mask wearing
  
  https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 69432/full
  
  
• Suicide levels remain well above where they were pre-pandemic.
  
  https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com ... 22-04158-w
  
  
• The government is paying out for Vaccine Damage Payment of £120,000 for people injured/killed by a vaccine they said was safe (no major side effects or safety concerns have been reported is the exact language used).
  
  https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

All for a virus that:

• Is on a par with the 1929 flu season in terms of mortality even before we adjust the numbers for a population increase of about 32% between now and then.
  
  https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 0%20deaths.
  
  
• Whose average age of death in the UK is 80.2 compared to average life expectancy of 81.2
  
  https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar ... ithcovid19

Full transparency, the above contains links to the following well know and particularly dangerous conspiracy theorist peddlers of mis-information:

• UK Government official statistics
• EU Parliament official statistics
• The Lancet (Leading medical journal with a 200 year pedigree)
• Frontiers - 3rd most-cited and 6th largest research publisher and open science platform.
• BMC - who have a around 300 peer-reviewed journals and are part of the Springer group (academic publishing leaders)

Stop spreading your pish about a virus that may have caused the death of families of people on here.

OK, I take what you are saying that people have been hurt by the pandemic and we should just move on now, heal together, maybe sing Don't Look Back in Anger at a candelit vigil for those we lost in Coppers Field and get on with our lives.

But take a minute to look at this from the other side...

I've lost five good, good people throughout the pandemic. Three to suicide, one to cancer that could have been prevented if caught earlier and one to heart attack shortly after having a second booster.

I wish people who had turned a blind eye the last two years to the reality of the situation and what was happening, who lapped up every ounce of bullshit and swallowed it all down with an obedient grin on their faces, who gladly sold away our freedoms for a fake promise of safety, people who sat happily on their arses getting paid furlough, never once thinking about those who run small businesses who were watching their life's work being destroyed through no fault of their own, people who couldn't be arsed to go and read the information that was there for all of us but accused those who did and raised relevant questions of being anti-vax nutters (and that is the polite version)...

I wish they'd all stopped spreading 'pish' two years ago - then maybe we wouldn't be in this mess now, but more importantly I want them to at least learn something from the whole shit-show.

Learn not to trust in big governments, and big pharma. Learn to get to know your neighbours and look out for them (that one is more of a London thing in fairness). Learn to take responsibility for themselves and learn to see how easy it is too manipulate us all through the channels we have been taught to trust that are now proven to be wholly manipulated.

There is no point trying to pretend it's all over, because it is the easier pill to swallow, no matter how appealing that campfire rendition of Kum By Yah seems right now.

We will be discovering the damage of the last few years for decades - those who led us down this path should be held accountable - and if people like HM continue to raise the topic and keep it in the spotlight good for them.

Ealing a lot of your points are 100% accurate and very well put.

But they aren’t relevant for what my point was.

There are lots like you who have remained steadfast in your comments. My point is those that said it was a huge conspiracy. If this was the case why have restrictions been lifted? That is what I meant by back to normal. Clearly things aren’t normal.

Ealing a lot of your points are 100% accurate and very well put.

But they aren’t relevant for what my point was.

There are lots like you who have remained steadfast in your comments. My point is those that said it was a huge conspiracy. If this was the case why have restrictions been lifted? That is what I meant by back to normal. Clearly things aren’t normal.

Yeah fair enough Maccy - maybe i'm looking for an argument that isn't there - it's been that kind of day I 'spose.

I guess, for me it's having the lines blurred between genuine out there conspiracy theorist loons and people who have just tried to be a reasonable voice that didn't agree with the status quo.

Frustrating day all round with the derby and other shite, so apologies if it was more narky response than I would normally put across.

Just angry as hell that there will be no accountability for all the damage that has been done.

Respect as always though Maccy

Ealing a lot of your points are 100% accurate and very well put.

But they aren’t relevant for what my point was.

There are lots like you who have remained steadfast in your comments. My point is those that said it was a huge conspiracy. If this was the case why have restrictions been lifted? That is what I meant by back to normal. Clearly things aren’t normal.

Yeah fair enough Maccy - maybe i'm looking for an argument that isn't there - it's been that kind of day I 'spose.

I guess, for me it's having the lines blurred between genuine out there conspiracy theorist loons and people who have just tried to be a reasonable voice that didn't agree with the status quo.

Frustrating day all round with the derby and other shite, so apologies if it was more narky response than I would normally put across.

Just angry as hell that there will be no accountability for all the damage that has been done.

Respect as always though Maccy

Good words.

It’s really difficult to compare flu seasons to covid as flu is established and covid was new. Hence the panic. There was definite risk of the NHS being over run though. That would have stopped cancer treatment, operations etc etc. Covid was very bad and needed some form of intervention.

Quite clearly lockdowns have done more damage than they prevented, I’m not gonna say anything different. But vaccinations were needed and I remain steadfast in my opinion that they have saved a lot of lives.

But, so many people had a significant interest in perpetuating panic and in lockdowns and there is a lot to be answered for.

Ealing a lot of your points are 100% accurate and very well put.

But they aren’t relevant for what my point was.

There are lots like you who have remained steadfast in your comments. My point is those that said it was a huge conspiracy. If this was the case why have restrictions been lifted? That is what I meant by back to normal. Clearly things aren’t normal.

Yeah fair enough Maccy - maybe i'm looking for an argument that isn't there - it's been that kind of day I 'spose.

I guess, for me it's having the lines blurred between genuine out there conspiracy theorist loons and people who have just tried to be a reasonable voice that didn't agree with the status quo.

Frustrating day all round with the derby and other shite, so apologies if it was more narky response than I would normally put across.

Just angry as hell that there will be no accountability for all the damage that has been done.

Respect as always though Maccy

Good words.

It’s really difficult to compare flu seasons to covid as flu is established and covid was new. Hence the panic. There was definite risk of the NHS being over run though. That would have stopped cancer treatment, operations etc etc. Covid was very bad and needed some form of intervention.

Quite clearly lockdowns have done more damage than they prevented, I’m not gonna say anything different. But vaccinations were needed and I remain steadfast in my opinion that they have saved a lot of lives.

But, so many people had a significant interest in perpetuating panic and in lockdowns and there is a lot to be answered for.

A couple I'll politely disagree with...

It’s really difficult to compare flu seasons to covid as flu is established and covid was new.

Covid was a novel strain of coronavirus but coronaviruses are nothing new - the common cold is a coronavirus. SARS and MERS were both coronaviruses also. The 1929 Hong Kong Flu was a pandemic and a bad one, which is why it is referenced. By pretty much all metrics it was worse than COVID19 when the population growth is accounted for.

There was definite risk of the NHS being over run though

I still think this was hyperbole, just simply down to the end result of the nightingale hospitals. I've referenced it before but they were unused even at the height of the pandemic, in total it was something like 300 or so patients across the country - in total. Even at the peak of COVID hospitalisations where there were 100,000 hospitalisations they weren't used.

Just think what could have been done with the money wasted on those vanity project white elephants to help effectively support the NHS if facts rather than fear had been what underpinned policy making. Just think how much could have been done to protect those who were vulnerable with that money alone.

vaccinations were needed and I remain steadfast in my opinion that they have saved a lot of lives.

I'm still failing to see how, here and I mean that with the greatest of respect.

But ultimately we now empirically know that the vaccinations don't stop the spread and don't stop you from contracting the virus. The first of these two arguments was one that convinced a lot of people to be vaccinated, to protect those around them, but ultimately it proved not to work.

Whether the vaccines mitigate the impact of the virus is still up for debate with data available to support both arguments. The same goes for the long-term impact of the vaccines on public health. We've gone from 'no major side effects or safety concerns to a standard payout for Vaccine Inured/fatality in a very short time. Vaccine induced myocarditis and pericarditus were both dismissed as misinformation and conspiracy theory at first and are established potential side effects now.

That said - again a vaccination program for those most at risk would have been sensible, although it wouldnt have lined the pockets of Pfizer et al quite so handsomely.

Where I absolutely agree 100% with you mate is this

so many people had a significant interest in perpetuating panic and in lockdowns and there is a lot to be answered for.

Everywhere you choose to look in this whole damn saga, wherever it is in government, pharma, big business, state media etc - there has been a clear incentive for powerful people and organisations to keep us all in a state of fear, ill-informed and desperate - and I can't help but feel that the exploitation of the opportunities the pandemic presented for these people to gain power and wealth has been a major driving factor in why it continued so long.


Anyway, I've a long and boring paper to write that i've been putting off all day and needs to be done by tomorrow, so enough procrastination for me. Until next time amigo

Clear evidence that vaccines curtailed the spread of covid. Omicron was a variant that evaded vaccines wrt spread of covid. It’s quite important to note that the primary aim of vaccines was to prevent severe illness and death which quite clearly is what happened. The new bivalent vaccines will help to prevent the spread.

However, the old vaccines didn’t stop the spread of omicron which made them pointless for healthy people which is why the government chose only to vaccinate over 75s and vulnerable in the spring.

Clear evidence that vaccines curtailed the spread of covid. Omicron was a variant that evaded vaccines wrt spread of covid. It’s quite important to note that the primary aim of vaccines was to prevent severe illness and death which quite clearly is what happened. The new bivalent vaccines will help to prevent the spread.

However, the old vaccines didn’t stop the spread of omicron which made them pointless for healthy people which is why the government chose only to vaccinate over 75s and vulnerable in the spring.

I wouldn't bother mate.They watch the you tube channel and believe everyone is who they say there are.If they become seriously ill with covid they would want every drug under the sun.Wasting NHS resources.

Ealing a lot of your points are 100% accurate and very well put.

But they aren’t relevant for what my point was.

There are lots like you who have remained steadfast in your comments. My point is those that said it was a huge conspiracy. If this was the case why have restrictions been lifted? That is what I meant by back to normal. Clearly things aren’t normal.

Yeah fair enough Maccy - maybe i'm looking for an argument that isn't there - it's been that kind of day I 'spose.

I guess, for me it's having the lines blurred between genuine out there conspiracy theorist loons and people who have just tried to be a reasonable voice that didn't agree with the status quo.

Frustrating day all round with the derby and other shite, so apologies if it was more narky response than I would normally put across.

Just angry as hell that there will be no accountability for all the damage that has been done.

Respect as always though Maccy

Good words.

It’s really difficult to compare flu seasons to covid as flu is established and covid was new. Hence the panic. There was definite risk of the NHS being over run though. That would have stopped cancer treatment, operations etc etc. Covid was very bad and needed some form of intervention.

Quite clearly lockdowns have done more damage than they prevented, I’m not gonna say anything different. But vaccinations were needed and I remain steadfast in my opinion that they have saved a lot of lives.

But, so many people had a significant interest in perpetuating panic and in lockdowns and there is a lot to be answered for.

Yet the NHS was not overrun and still operations and cancer treatment were cancelled. The biggest conspiracy theory for me was that people should get vaccinated to protect others which was the entire basis of the roll out., The original poster is correct that pfizer have now admitted it never stopped transmission in a European court of law. He is also correct that any debate that questioned the narrative was shut down and slurred with ridiculous labels like covidiot This is the reason that so many people have a major problem with what happened
My opinion is that medical treatment should be available to those that want it but should never be coerced, forced and threatened onto others especially onto children and young adults who even yourself must admit were never at any risk(thank god).
Carers in England (including my mother, who did her job for 25 years )were forced out of their job for god sake, despite their being ZERO evidence to show the vaccines prevented transmission
I respect your opinion, and hope you respect mine. These are the conversations that we should have been having 2 years or so ago. Government overreach and the media have created a generation of anti-vaxxers and will have done way more damage then some gut talking about 5G and flat earth theories for example cover ever do

Clear evidence that vaccines curtailed the spread of covid. Omicron was a variant that evaded vaccines wrt spread of covid. It’s quite important to note that the primary aim of vaccines was to prevent severe illness and death which quite clearly is what happened. The new bivalent vaccines will help to prevent the spread.

However, the old vaccines didn’t stop the spread of omicron which made them pointless for healthy people which is why the government chose only to vaccinate over 75s and vulnerable in the spring.

I wouldn't bother mate.They watch the you tube channel and believe everyone is who they say there are.If they become seriously ill with covid they would want every drug under the sun.Wasting NHS resources.

Healthy people of a certain age simply do not become ill with covid though. Everyone stat on the planet shows this
Which is a good thing right?

My father in law is 60 and got a booster appointment letter from the NHS (he turned it down), so your info here is in fact incorrect . People who were never at risk have become vaccine damaged aswell, after taking a vaccine that they were told they had to take or lose their job. How can that be ethical
I dont know you, you may be at a certain age or have a reason to take these vaccines and that is fine. All the best to you but people have only be given one side of the narrative. Covid passports to get in nigthclubs/festivals when somebody could still spread teh virus. That is wrong, you must see that

Ealing Ayatollah
You put things way better then I ever could,
Spot on and fair play to you

Clear evidence that vaccines curtailed the spread of covid. Omicron was a variant that evaded vaccines wrt spread of covid. It’s quite important to note that the primary aim of vaccines was to prevent severe illness and death which quite clearly is what happened. The new bivalent vaccines will help to prevent the spread.

However, the old vaccines didn’t stop the spread of omicron which made them pointless for healthy people which is why the government chose only to vaccinate over 75s and vulnerable in the spring.

There really isnt any credible evidence that vaccines stopped the spread or measures such as the vaccine passport would still be in play wouldnt they ?
I would suggest people no longer being forced to mass test is the reason numbers are at an all time low
That is also a good thing ,as the economy worldwide is in tatters as the links provided by ealing Ayatollah prove

Clear evidence that vaccines curtailed the spread of covid. Omicron was a variant that evaded vaccines wrt spread of covid. It’s quite important to note that the primary aim of vaccines was to prevent severe illness and death which quite clearly is what happened. The new bivalent vaccines will help to prevent the spread.

However, the old vaccines didn’t stop the spread of omicron which made them pointless for healthy people which is why the government chose only to vaccinate over 75s and vulnerable in the spring.

I wouldn't bother mate.They watch the you tube channel and believe everyone is who they say there are.If they become seriously ill with covid they would want every drug under the sun.Wasting NHS resources.

Healthy people of a certain age simply do not become ill with covid though. Everyone stat on the planet shows this
Which is a good thing right?

My father in law is 60 and got a booster appointment letter from the NHS (he turned it down), so your info here is in fact incorrect . People who were never at risk have become vaccine damaged aswell, after taking a vaccine that they were told they had to take or lose their job. How can that be ethical
I dont know you, you may be at a certain age or have a reason to take these vaccines and that is fine. All the best to you but people have only be given one side of the narrative. Covid passports to get in nigthclubs/festivals when somebody could still spread teh virus. That is wrong, you must see that

So your saying that not one person of a certain age in the world didnt become I'll with covid? Must tell the people of all ages from kids to oaps I know who did become I'll that they didn't become ill and positive covid tests they did were wrong? Sounds about right doesnt it..

Clear evidence that vaccines curtailed the spread of covid. Omicron was a variant that evaded vaccines wrt spread of covid. It’s quite important to note that the primary aim of vaccines was to prevent severe illness and death which quite clearly is what happened. The new bivalent vaccines will help to prevent the spread.

However, the old vaccines didn’t stop the spread of omicron which made them pointless for healthy people which is why the government chose only to vaccinate over 75s and vulnerable in the spring.

There really isnt any credible evidence that vaccines stopped the spread or measures such as the vaccine passport would still be in play wouldnt they ?
I would suggest people no longer being forced to mass test is the reason numbers are at an all time low
That is also a good thing ,as the economy worldwide is in tatters as the links provided by ealing Ayatollah prove

Omicron changed things.

Clear evidence that vaccines curtailed the spread of covid. Omicron was a variant that evaded vaccines wrt spread of covid. It’s quite important to note that the primary aim of vaccines was to prevent severe illness and death which quite clearly is what happened. The new bivalent vaccines will help to prevent the spread.

However, the old vaccines didn’t stop the spread of omicron which made them pointless for healthy people which is why the government chose only to vaccinate over 75s and vulnerable in the spring.

There really isnt any credible evidence that vaccines stopped the spread or measures such as the vaccine passport would still be in play wouldnt they ?
I would suggest people no longer being forced to mass test is the reason numbers are at an all time low
That is also a good thing ,as the economy worldwide is in tatters as the links provided by ealing Ayatollah prove

What’s your point? Economies were rebounding now various other crises are affecting the world.

Clear evidence that vaccines curtailed the spread of covid. Omicron was a variant that evaded vaccines wrt spread of covid. It’s quite important to note that the primary aim of vaccines was to prevent severe illness and death which quite clearly is what happened. The new bivalent vaccines will help to prevent the spread.

However, the old vaccines didn’t stop the spread of omicron which made them pointless for healthy people which is why the government chose only to vaccinate over 75s and vulnerable in the spring.

I wouldn't bother mate.They watch the you tube channel and believe everyone is who they say there are.If they become seriously ill with covid they would want every drug under the sun.Wasting NHS resources.

Healthy people of a certain age simply do not become ill with covid though. Everyone stat on the planet shows this
Which is a good thing right?

My father in law is 60 and got a booster appointment letter from the NHS (he turned it down), so your info here is in fact incorrect . People who were never at risk have become vaccine damaged aswell, after taking a vaccine that they were told they had to take or lose their job. How can that be ethical
I dont know you, you may be at a certain age or have a reason to take these vaccines and that is fine. All the best to you but people have only be given one side of the narrative. Covid passports to get in nigthclubs/festivals when somebody could still spread teh virus. That is wrong, you must see that

So your saying that not one person of a certain age in the world didnt become I'll with covid? Must tell the people of all ages from kids to oaps I know who did become I'll that they didn't become ill and positive covid tests they did were wrong? Sounds about right doesnt it..

No i didnt say that at all did I . Youve totally made that sentence up.
Im saying that people of a certain age and healthy are at extremely low risk of becoming seriously illfrom the virus
Therefore when offered a vaccine and given informed consent that everyone should have (but didnt) their thinking would be different then say somebody elderly and with co morbidities
I run a gym and teach In Caerphilly and the literal hundreds of children and healthy young adults ive worked with since March 2020 have not been seriously affected by the virus (which no sane person denies exists )but greatly affected by the lockdowns. I gather you live abroad otherwise you would be more then welcome to visit as a welcomed guest to see and hear for yourself
That is my experience and relevant to the discussion, yours is different thats fine, but I would appreciate it if you wouldnt try to tell me ive said things that i didnt. The original poster may well have a point in what he is saying, even though I dont use immature slurs and labels toward people that may have a different opinion to me

Clear evidence that vaccines curtailed the spread of covid. Omicron was a variant that evaded vaccines wrt spread of covid. It’s quite important to note that the primary aim of vaccines was to prevent severe illness and death which quite clearly is what happened. The new bivalent vaccines will help to prevent the spread.

However, the old vaccines didn’t stop the spread of omicron which made them pointless for healthy people which is why the government chose only to vaccinate over 75s and vulnerable in the spring.

There really isnt any credible evidence that vaccines stopped the spread or measures such as the vaccine passport would still be in play wouldnt they ?
I would suggest people no longer being forced to mass test is the reason numbers are at an all time low
That is also a good thing ,as the economy worldwide is in tatters as the links provided by ealing Ayatollah prove

What’s your point? Economies were rebounding now various other crises are affecting the world.

Economies are rebounding , the USA would certainly disagree with you as they enter a recession by literal definition. So would many people struggling with the price of living in the UK

Clear evidence that vaccines curtailed the spread of covid. Omicron was a variant that evaded vaccines wrt spread of covid. It’s quite important to note that the primary aim of vaccines was to prevent severe illness and death which quite clearly is what happened. The new bivalent vaccines will help to prevent the spread.

However, the old vaccines didn’t stop the spread of omicron which made them pointless for healthy people which is why the government chose only to vaccinate over 75s and vulnerable in the spring.

There really isnt any credible evidence that vaccines stopped the spread or measures such as the vaccine passport would still be in play wouldnt they ?
I would suggest people no longer being forced to mass test is the reason numbers are at an all time low
That is also a good thing ,as the economy worldwide is in tatters as the links provided by ealing Ayatollah prove

Omicron changed things.

The virus got milder as every single one has in history sure
Thats a good thing though right?

Clear evidence that vaccines curtailed the spread of covid. Omicron was a variant that evaded vaccines wrt spread of covid. It’s quite important to note that the primary aim of vaccines was to prevent severe illness and death which quite clearly is what happened. The new bivalent vaccines will help to prevent the spread.

However, the old vaccines didn’t stop the spread of omicron which made them pointless for healthy people which is why the government chose only to vaccinate over 75s and vulnerable in the spring.

I wouldn't bother mate.They watch the you tube channel and believe everyone is who they say there are.If they become seriously ill with covid they would want every drug under the sun.Wasting NHS resources.

Yeah you got me, none of the sources I cited above are credible.

Official UK and EU data - nonsense made up by some bloke on the YouTube, clearly.

As for the Lancet, been peddling peer reviewed medical disinformation for 200 years who would take them seriously?

What I find astonishing is those who say we were duped lied to deceived ect ect believe the whole world sighned up to the deception and the people who had vaccine didnt have s choice or mind of own to say no? Think that kind of rationale speaks volumes about where they stand ... its very disingenuous to say people had vaccine because were scared to death because authorities
the medics lied to them.... but like myself and many millions knew what was being said was not 100% accurate same as what conspiracy pherosist said was not also 100% true as like authorities they had agenda to peddle...... I the real world people died of covid ( yes it did exist) people died from vaccine as they do sometimes from other vaccines but people also died because didn't take vaccine.... so you see people knew the risks either way... so live and let live people did have mind of own despite contrary opinion of some

What I find astonishing is those who say we were duped lied to deceived ect ect believe the whole world sighned up to the deception and the people who had vaccine didnt have s choice or mind of own to say no? Think that kind of rationale speaks volumes about where they stand ... its very disingenuous to say people had vaccine because were scared to death because authorities
the medics lied to them.... but like myself and many millions knew what was being said was not 100% accurate same as what conspiracy pherosist said was not also 100% true as like authorities they had agenda to peddle...... I the real world people died of covid ( yes it did exist) people died from vaccine as they do sometimes from other vaccines but people also died because didn't take vaccine.... so you see people knew the risks either way... so live and let live people did have mind of own despite contrary opinion of some

Allan just look a couple of posts up in this thread to see Stikcy Wicket's comment and you can see an example of someone who blindly dismisses credible sources of information as 'someone on youtube pretending to be someone they're not.'

Are you honestly saying you belive someone like that, who is dismissive of information because its not from what they believe to be a legitimate source right would give equal weighting to all sides and make a considered decision?

Of course not.

They'll have watched the BBC (or Sky or ITV etc) trusted what the authorities said - that we had to be good people and get the vaccine to stop it spreading and it was perfectly safe to do so.

They would have ignored every single voice that said different and dismissed them as stuff made up on the internet - even when the voices had great credentials in the field or very robust official data.

Just like SW is continuing to do now with an off the cuff dismissal because it is easier to do that than confront the truth that the authorities they trusted to protect them in fact lied to them and the people they thought were cranks were telling the truth.

That is a hard thing for people too acknowledge so they keep doubling down on their statements even in the face of increasing evidence because it easier than accept the reality.

You say people knew the risks - the BBC and the UK government repeated over and over that 'there was no major risk of significant side effects.'

There are plenty of people like SW who dismiss information from the Internet because they don't trust it.

So if the only sources they trusted were the 'official' government approved sources, and those sources said the vaccine was totally safe, then how would they know of the risk?

Honestly, I think you put too much faith in people.

They might all have a mind of their own but the vast majority are too lazy to use it and so follow the herd blindly and believe whatever they are told by the telly .

It was the people that said Covid didn't exist and that it was just governments trying to make people have a vaccine so that they could contol them.

Anyway keep up with the news Covid has long gone

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... viser.html

Rishi Sunak is heavily invested in Moderna, many Yank politicians hold shares in Pfizer. I’ve been offered the booster (4th jab) but really don’t know if I want it or not. The way information has been suppressed, the lies told by big pharma and politicians and the blocking of anyone suggesting it came from a lab on social media point to something not being right about the whole shebang.

Rishi Sunak is heavily invested in Moderna, many Yank politicians hold shares in Pfizer. I’ve been offered the booster (4th jab) but really don’t know if I want it or not. The way information has been suppressed, the lies told by big pharma and politicians and the blocking of anyone suggesting it came from a lab on social media point to something not being right about the whole shebang.

Had my 4h but that's it no more... lots of misinformation from every side of the equation... not sure it is nessasary so I believe
it is now a personal choice to have or not to have

Rishi Sunak is heavily invested in Moderna, many Yank politicians hold shares in Pfizer. I’ve been offered the booster (4th jab) but really don’t know if I want it or not. The way information has been suppressed, the lies told by big pharma and politicians and the blocking of anyone suggesting it came from a lab on social media point to something not being right about the whole shebang.

Had my 4h but that's it no more... lots of misinformation from every side of the equation... not sure it is nessasary so I believe
it is now a personal choice to have or not to have

I 've had every vaccine offered.T.B.Polio etc.
Yes it is a personal choice.
However, I wouldn't say it's a personal choice of NHS staff to treat patients whose illness could have been avoided by use of a vaccine.