DRIPFORD GIVING AWAY TAXPAYERS MONEY

Sorry its a bit political an non footie apologies

but so annoyed and not happy with my money going to some leftie idea again i think they wasted a lot of money on "gender identification" recently

and now 20 million on giving £1600 a month to some teenagers coming out of care without any conditions
more than some full time workers

We have a thing called the social and benefits system that picks the tab up for this sort of thing

Mark drakefords mantra throughout the pandemic with lockdowns etc was i am saving peoples lives in wales
Well 20 million should go straight away to ambulances services in wales if thats the case

people are dying waiting for an ambulance to turn up 6/8 hours late
the teenagers coming out of care fall under the umberella of social care and are not imo under threat of death

I wonder was this idea in there manifesto ?

I have known people and a friend who have died before they got to hospital because of the shambolic waiting times for an emergency ambulance to arrive.

Sorry its a bit political an non footie apologies

but so annoyed and not happy with my money going to some leftie idea again i think they wasted a lot of money on "gender identification" recently

and now 20 million on giving £1600 a month to some teenagers coming out of care without any conditions
more than some full time workers

We have a thing called the social and benefits system that picks the tab up for this sort of thing

Mark drakefords mantra throughout the pandemic with lockdowns etc was i am saving peoples lives in wales
Well 20 million should go straight away to ambulances services in wales if thats the case

people are dying waiting for an ambulance to turn up 6/8 hours late
the teenagers coming out of care fall under the umberella of social care and are not imo under threat of death

I wonder was this idea in there manifesto ?

I have known people and a friend who have died before they got to hospital because of the shambolic waiting times for an emergency ambulance to arrive.

Totally agree nhs on its knees in wales and dipford spending money on these types of projects

There's underspending everywhere but I cannot bring myself to take offence when money is being spent.

Everyone will have a pecking order as to who they think should get what first, but I don't think we should be condemning expenditure just because it doesn't fit our ideology over someone else's.

As long as it is not being wasted and helping people with such a difficult start to their adult life is not a waste.

The Welsh government gave an extra 35 million to the ambulance service for this winter. But while they are just extra beds outside hospitals the service is never going to get back on its feet.

Wayne s

When you have an old dear of 80 lying on the ground bleading profusely like i had to deal with
unconscious with a pillow under her head trying to stop her head from bleading applying a compress and a duvet thrown over her for 4 hours
shitting myself she was going to die
and in the end after ringing 6 times had to drive her 40 miles to A and E
and she passed out on the way to hospital and had to pull over to wake her up and keep her awake and drive
i know where i went my money spent and if it needs more so be it until this is the case and nobody has to wait more than 30 mins in an emergency for an ambulance
i don't want my money spent on an experiment .

Jesus, he is a gift to the tories......

When in doubt the go to play is look how bad labour in Wales are. Health, education and basic infrastructure and now this.

I Have a feeling this is going to end horrible wrong

As a person who spent time in care between 1936-1951 I think this is a good thing.I was brought up in Ely Homes during that time, and at the age of 18 you had to leave wether you had a place to go to or not,i was lucky because at that time I was conscripted into the army, so had somewhere to stay, these kids today will have nowhere to go, unless of course they join the forces too.

I don't know for how long they would receive this money for, but I hope that besides the money, help is given to them to settle down out of care.

This nonsense is the product of the looney left Welsh Labour Government needing the support of the lunatic left of Plaid Cymru to get their leftie agenda through the Senedd.

At a time when waiting lists for NHS treatment are at all time highs, waiting times for Ambulances, waiting times at A&E are setting new failure records every time their published this latest vanity project is the answer?

This is a classic example of the tail wagging the dog with Drakeford and his cronies willing to piss away £25m to keep his lunatic left friends of Plaid on board. Only for 3 years mind when the next Senedd elections will take place when Labour might get a majority and won't need Plaid any longer.

It's bollocks but get's Drakeford and his looney left cronies the votes in the Senedd.

As a person who spent time in care between 1936-1951 I think this is a good thing.I was brought up in Ely Homes during that time, and at the age of 18 you had to leave wether you had a place to go to or not,i was lucky because at that time I was conscripted into the army, so had somewhere to stay, these kids today will have nowhere to go, unless of course they join the forces too.

I don't know for how long they would receive this money for, but I hope that besides the money, help is given to them to settle down out of care.

They’d get the money for two years mate but as usual politicians think just throwing money at a problem will solve it. Be better spending it on training kids in care homes for work, apprenticeships etc.

As a person who spent time in care between 1936-1951 I think this is a good thing.I was brought up in Ely Homes during that time, and at the age of 18 you had to leave wether you had a place to go to or not,i was lucky because at that time I was conscripted into the army, so had somewhere to stay, these kids today will have nowhere to go, unless of course they join the forces too.

I don't know for how long they would receive this money for, but I hope that besides the money, help is given to them to settle down out of care.

They’d get the money for two years mate but as usual politicians think just throwing money at a problem will solve it. Be better spending it on training kids in care homes for work, apprenticeships etc.

Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, feed him for life

As a person who spent time in care between 1936-1951 I think this is a good thing.I was brought up in Ely Homes during that time, and at the age of 18 you had to leave wether you had a place to go to or not,i was lucky because at that time I was conscripted into the army, so had somewhere to stay, these kids today will have nowhere to go, unless of course they join the forces too.

I don't know for how long they would receive this money for, but I hope that besides the money, help is given to them to settle down out of care.

They’d get the money for two years mate but as usual politicians think just throwing money at a problem will solve it. Be better spending it on training kids in care homes for work, apprenticeships etc.

They won't get the full 1600 get as they won't get housing benefit to start with. Some of those kids have been abused by there parents Raped by there fathers. They come out of the Foster system at 18.Foster parents kick them out because the cash cow has dried up. I know for , fact some of these kids are housed in a street in Newport where junkies live. They are a prime target for prostitution and drug gangs. Good luck to them.

Drug dealers will be happy

This nonsense is the product of the looney left Welsh Labour Government needing the support of the lunatic left of Plaid Cymru to get their leftie agenda through the Senedd.

At a time when waiting lists for NHS treatment are at all time highs, waiting times for Ambulances, waiting times at A&E are setting new failure records every time their published this latest vanity project is the answer?

This is a classic example of the tail wagging the dog with Drakeford and his cronies willing to piss away £25m to keep his lunatic left friends of Plaid on board. Only for 3 years mind when the next Senedd elections will take place when Labour might get a majority and won't need Plaid any longer.

It's bollocks but get's Drakeford and his looney left cronies the votes in the Senedd.

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This is not about the looney left at all, but about given kids a start in life, you may have had your mother and father to help you out when you were 18, but these kids are just thrown to the wolves, have a bit of compassion for gods sake.

By all means help them a good idea and give them a decent wage, but to give them over £1600 a month when there are very many care workers on minimun wage, and even the ones that are not on minimun wage they get a lot less than £1600 month.
Absolutely crazy

By all means help them a good idea and give them a decent wage, but to give them over £1600 a month when there are very many care workers on minimun wage, and even the ones that are not on minimun wage they get a lot less than £1600 month.
Absolutely crazy

I don't dispute that, but they do need help to get accommodation,
when they are released from care at 18 and nowhere to live, as stated by stickeywicket above, arrangements should be in place before they leave and not left to after they leave, but for those leaving now they do need to be looked after, but not saying just give then £1600 to spend as they like, but give them payments to help ensure they are safe.

I was lucky with compulsory conscription to the forces when I left, but these kids leaving now are at serious risk.

This nonsense is the product of the looney left Welsh Labour Government needing the support of the lunatic left of Plaid Cymru to get their leftie agenda through the Senedd.

At a time when waiting lists for NHS treatment are at all time highs, waiting times for Ambulances, waiting times at A&E are setting new failure records every time their published this latest vanity project is the answer?

This is a classic example of the tail wagging the dog with Drakeford and his cronies willing to piss away £25m to keep his lunatic left friends of Plaid on board. Only for 3 years mind when the next Senedd elections will take place when Labour might get a majority and won't need Plaid any longer.

It's bollocks but get's Drakeford and his looney left cronies the votes in the Senedd.

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This is not about the looney left at all, but about given kids a start in life, you may have had your mother and father to help you out when you were 18, but these kids are just thrown to the wolves, have a bit of compassion for gods sake.

You ain't wrong mate.Too many think banding this idea as loony lefties at work is not addressing the problem at hand.What would the Tories do, brand them all the scum of society and give them a futher kicking(like they did with disabled people).Before you go and bad mouth the iniciative because its not your political party doing it you should point out credible alternatives.

This nonsense is the product of the looney left Welsh Labour Government needing the support of the lunatic left of Plaid Cymru to get their leftie agenda through the Senedd.

At a time when waiting lists for NHS treatment are at all time highs, waiting times for Ambulances, waiting times at A&E are setting new failure records every time their published this latest vanity project is the answer?

This is a classic example of the tail wagging the dog with Drakeford and his cronies willing to piss away £25m to keep his lunatic left friends of Plaid on board. Only for 3 years mind when the next Senedd elections will take place when Labour might get a majority and won't need Plaid any longer.

It's bollocks but get's Drakeford and his looney left cronies the votes in the Senedd.

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This is not about the looney left at all, but about given kids a start in life, you may have had your mother and father to help you out when you were 18, but these kids are just thrown to the wolves, have a bit of compassion for gods sake.

Only the looney left could fail to see this is as a vanity project of the looney left or in this case the lunatic left and Adam Price. Tell me fella what happens when this trial is over? The lunatic left WILL see this as a success and want to expand it but how does it get paid for? Tax rises? Cutting public services?

This nonsense is the product of the looney left Welsh Labour Government needing the support of the lunatic left of Plaid Cymru to get their leftie agenda through the Senedd.

At a time when waiting lists for NHS treatment are at all time highs, waiting times for Ambulances, waiting times at A&E are setting new failure records every time their published this latest vanity project is the answer?

This is a classic example of the tail wagging the dog with Drakeford and his cronies willing to piss away £25m to keep his lunatic left friends of Plaid on board. Only for 3 years mind when the next Senedd elections will take place when Labour might get a majority and won't need Plaid any longer.

It's bollocks but get's Drakeford and his looney left cronies the votes in the Senedd.

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This is not about the looney left at all, but about given kids a start in life, you may have had your mother and father to help you out when you were 18, but these kids are just thrown to the wolves, have a bit of compassion for gods sake.

Only the looney left could fail to see this is as a vanity project of the looney left or in this case the lunatic left and Adam Price. Tell me fella what happens when this trial is over? The lunatic left WILL see this as a success and want to expand it but how does it get paid for? Tax rises? Cutting public services?

Only the looney right would want to keep the likes of Andrew and, Charlie boy. Sell a few of their ill-gotten gains and more kids could a decent start in life.

This nonsense is the product of the looney left Welsh Labour Government needing the support of the lunatic left of Plaid Cymru to get their leftie agenda through the Senedd.

At a time when waiting lists for NHS treatment are at all time highs, waiting times for Ambulances, waiting times at A&E are setting new failure records every time their published this latest vanity project is the answer?

This is a classic example of the tail wagging the dog with Drakeford and his cronies willing to piss away £25m to keep his lunatic left friends of Plaid on board. Only for 3 years mind when the next Senedd elections will take place when Labour might get a majority and won't need Plaid any longer.

It's bollocks but get's Drakeford and his looney left cronies the votes in the Senedd.

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This is not about the looney left at all, but about given kids a start in life, you may have had your mother and father to help you out when you were 18, but these kids are just thrown to the wolves, have a bit of compassion for gods sake.

Only the looney left could fail to see this is as a vanity project of the looney left or in this case the lunatic left and Adam Price. Tell me fella what happens when this trial is over? The lunatic left WILL see this as a success and want to expand it but how does it get paid for? Tax rises? Cutting public services?

God you desperately need help, are you accusing me of being of the looney left whatever that is, if it is hoping that someone is willing to help these kids then yes I am. and not ashamed of it, you need to thank god that you are not in the same position that these kids are in.
If a service is needed as this is, then yes it is funded out of the public purse just like any other project, the only thing I will say is that £1600 a month is a lot of money, and it should only be financed to a persons need, not as a monthly sum,, but even that you would say is a looney left idea, there is nothing loony about trying to help someone in need, you need to try it sometime

Nobody is saying don' t help these kids but they will be under the umberella of the social they are not been thrown in a workhouse or the street with no help at all
I contacted my plaid rep for our area today he told me it was a pilot scheme as trialed in 3 other countries
i said why not just analyse the data from those trials rather than throw 20 million plus on an experiment
The one guy interviewed from finland where this was one of the countries where this was carried out said he basically packed in the few jobs he had and just acepted the cash
after this pandemic i am sure a lot of working people would like to have £400 quid cash every week even the people caring for them
the timing is way of the scale when there are lots of people trying to make ends meet and are working full time.

Nobody is saying don' t help these kids but they will be under the umberella of the social they are not been thrown in a workhouse or the street with no help at all
I contacted my plaid rep for our area today he told me it was a pilot scheme as trialed in 3 other countries
i said why not just analyse the data from those trials rather than throw 20 million plus on an experiment
The one guy interviewed from finland where this was one of the countries where this was carried out said he basically packed in the few jobs he had and just acepted the cash
after this pandemic i am sure a lot of working people would like to have £400 quid cash every week even the people caring for them
the timing is way of the scale when there are lots of people trying to make ends meet and are working full time.

I do a, argee there should be a work element to this and run by the good established youth charities that exist in Wales.

This 'trial' will end sooner rather than later for the following reasons....

1. Several participants will end up DEAD within days or weeks of the first payments hitting bank accounts - either through overdose or the participant becoming 'a roadman dealer' and stepping on a bigger dealers toes with their new state subsidised dealer status.

2. Those who don't fall foul of their personal addictions will be purchasing all manner of top end/fake gear which will then lead to an increase in homelessness due to evictions through non payment of rent - albeit this could be a medium/longer term consequence.

3. It is not a fair and representative trial study - a true trial would cross socio-economic boundaries and have representative numbers from all areas of the community - poor to rich. Yes, some would say that would be unfair - but you could include check and balances in terms of heavier questioning of spending from participants to show up how the spending breakdown happens accross the stipend given.

4. Should any participant end up in clink or similar, how quickly will the payments be forfeit - knowing the Welsh Arsembly and their glacial systems.... some less salubrious characters could book into the big house and have a nice little pot built up on their release, thus possibly prolonging the effects of 1. above.

Let's just all sit back and revel in the hopeful demise of the Dear Leader - as this is surely a very public suicide note, albeit a very expensive one. But, if it means the realisation that Drakeford and Labour in Wales (and Plaid to a degree) are a busted flush, it might well be the best £25m ever spent.

This nonsense is the product of the looney left Welsh Labour Government needing the support of the lunatic left of Plaid Cymru to get their leftie agenda through the Senedd.

At a time when waiting lists for NHS treatment are at all time highs, waiting times for Ambulances, waiting times at A&E are setting new failure records every time their published this latest vanity project is the answer?

This is a classic example of the tail wagging the dog with Drakeford and his cronies willing to piss away £25m to keep his lunatic left friends of Plaid on board. Only for 3 years mind when the next Senedd elections will take place when Labour might get a majority and won't need Plaid any longer.

It's bollocks but get's Drakeford and his looney left cronies the votes in the Senedd.

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This is not about the looney left at all, but about given kids a start in life, you may have had your mother and father to help you out when you were 18, but these kids are just thrown to the wolves, have a bit of compassion for gods sake.

Only the looney left could fail to see this is as a vanity project of the looney left or in this case the lunatic left and Adam Price. Tell me fella what happens when this trial is over? The lunatic left WILL see this as a success and want to expand it but how does it get paid for? Tax rises? Cutting public services?

God you desperately need help, are you accusing me of being of the looney left whatever that is, if it is hoping that someone is willing to help these kids then yes I am. and not ashamed of it, you need to thank god that you are not in the same position that these kids are in.
If a service is needed as this is, then yes it is funded out of the public purse just like any other project, the only thing I will say is that £1600 a month is a lot of money, and it should only be financed to a persons need, not as a monthly sum,, but even that you would say is a looney left idea, there is nothing loony about trying to help someone in need, you need to try it sometime

Sorry fella I don't need any help to see straight through what is nothing more than a vanity project for the looney left. Drakeford and his cronies NEED Plaid to get any legislation through the Senedd as Labour does not have a majority. This "Policy" has Adam Price written all over it.

This is not a service it's a handout and a very large handout directly from the public purse with NO strings attached. Our benefits system require, in many cases, a means tested method of checking if it's really needed, not here have £1600 a month and do what you like. It's madness pure vanity politics.

This is estimated to cost £25m over the 3 years of the trial to help around 500 people, do they need help? almost certainly yes and there are already a range of state benefits to help them. Why not spend this money on a support network for these people to make sure they integrate into society as smoothly as possible making sure they get support for housing, finding work and access to any medical needs they have. This "Policy" as I see it just gives them £20k a year. For what?

You think I'm a callous b*stard and maybe I am but I have during my working life helped people from this type of background by giving them jobs, helped them fill out forms and in a handful of cases helped them get housing and in some cases getting them help to learn to read and write. I'm also proud that in 2 cases they progressed their careers and become managers helping others so I do understand the sort of help these youngsters need. Giving them a handout is not the answer as when the money stops and they have to get off the gravy train what happens? Drakeford and Price won't give a toss trust me.

Money is a small part of this but for goodness sake spend it in a way that helps and not to satisfy political expediency.

This nonsense is the product of the looney left Welsh Labour Government needing the support of the lunatic left of Plaid Cymru to get their leftie agenda through the Senedd.

At a time when waiting lists for NHS treatment are at all time highs, waiting times for Ambulances, waiting times at A&E are setting new failure records every time their published this latest vanity project is the answer?

This is a classic example of the tail wagging the dog with Drakeford and his cronies willing to piss away £25m to keep his lunatic left friends of Plaid on board. Only for 3 years mind when the next Senedd elections will take place when Labour might get a majority and won't need Plaid any longer.

It's bollocks but get's Drakeford and his looney left cronies the votes in the Senedd.

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This is not about the looney left at all, but about given kids a start in life, you may have had your mother and father to help you out when you were 18, but these kids are just thrown to the wolves, have a bit of compassion for gods sake.

Only the looney left could fail to see this is as a vanity project of the looney left or in this case the lunatic left and Adam Price. Tell me fella what happens when this trial is over? The lunatic left WILL see this as a success and want to expand it but how does it get paid for? Tax rises? Cutting public services?

God you desperately need help, are you accusing me of being of the looney left whatever that is, if it is hoping that someone is willing to help these kids then yes I am. and not ashamed of it, you need to thank god that you are not in the same position that these kids are in.
If a service is needed as this is, then yes it is funded out of the public purse just like any other project, the only thing I will say is that £1600 a month is a lot of money, and it should only be financed to a persons need, not as a monthly sum,, but even that you would say is a looney left idea, there is nothing loony about trying to help someone in need, you need to try it sometime

Sorry fella I don't need any help to see straight through what is nothing more than a vanity project for the looney left. Drakeford and his cronies NEED Plaid to get any legislation through the Senedd as Labour does not have a majority. This "Policy" has Adam Price written all over it.

This is not a service it's a handout and a very large handout directly from the public purse with NO strings attached. Our benefits system require, in many cases, a means tested method of checking if it's really needed, not here have £1600 a month and do what you like. It's madness pure vanity politics.

This is estimated to cost £25m over the 3 years of the trial to help around 500 people, do they need help? almost certainly yes and there are already a range of state benefits to help them. Why not spend this money on a support network for these people to make sure they integrate into society as smoothly as possible making sure they get support for housing, finding work and access to any medical needs they have. This "Policy" as I see it just gives them £20k a year. For what?

You think I'm a callous b*stard and maybe I am but I have during my working life helped people from this type of background by giving them jobs, helped them fill out forms and in a handful of cases helped them get housing and in some cases getting them help to learn to read and write. I'm also proud that in 2 cases they progressed their careers and become managers helping others so I do understand the sort of help these youngsters need. Giving them a handout is not the answer as when the money stops and they have to get off the gravy train what happens? Drakeford and Price won't give a toss trust me.

Money is a small part of this but for goodness sake spend it in a way that helps and not to satisfy political expediency.

That's life mate. The tramp said wanking into the till.

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This nonsense is the product of the looney left Welsh Labour Government needing the support of the lunatic left of Plaid Cymru to get their leftie agenda through the Senedd.

At a time when waiting lists for NHS treatment are at all time highs, waiting times for Ambulances, waiting times at A&E are setting new failure records every time their published this latest vanity project is the answer?

This is a classic example of the tail wagging the dog with Drakeford and his cronies willing to piss away £25m to keep his lunatic left friends of Plaid on board. Only for 3 years mind when the next Senedd elections will take place when Labour might get a majority and won't need Plaid any longer.

It's bollocks but get's Drakeford and his looney left cronies the votes in the Senedd.

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This is not about the looney left at all, but about given kids a start in life, you may have had your mother and father to help you out when you were 18, but these kids are just thrown to the wolves, have a bit of compassion for gods sake.

Only the looney left could fail to see this is as a vanity project of the looney left or in this case the lunatic left and Adam Price. Tell me fella what happens when this trial is over? The lunatic left WILL see this as a success and want to expand it but how does it get paid for? Tax rises? Cutting public services?

God you desperately need help, are you accusing me of being of the looney left whatever that is, if it is hoping that someone is willing to help these kids then yes I am. and not ashamed of it, you need to thank god that you are not in the same position that these kids are in.
If a service is needed as this is, then yes it is funded out of the public purse just like any other project, the only thing I will say is that £1600 a month is a lot of money, and it should only be financed to a persons need, not as a monthly sum,, but even that you would say is a looney left idea, there is nothing loony about trying to help someone in need, you need to try it sometime

Sorry fella I don't need any help to see straight through what is nothing more than a vanity project for the looney left. Drakeford and his cronies NEED Plaid to get any legislation through the Senedd as Labour does not have a majority. This "Policy" has Adam Price written all over it.

This is not a service it's a handout and a very large handout directly from the public purse with NO strings attached. Our benefits system require, in many cases, a means tested method of checking if it's really needed, not here have £1600 a month and do what you like. It's madness pure vanity politics.

This is estimated to cost £25m over the 3 years of the trial to help around 500 people, do they need help? almost certainly yes and there are already a range of state benefits to help them. Why not spend this money on a support network for these people to make sure they integrate into society as smoothly as possible making sure they get support for housing, finding work and access to any medical needs they have. This "Policy" as I see it just gives them £20k a year. For what?

You think I'm a callous b*stard and maybe I am but I have during my working life helped people from this type of background by giving them jobs, helped them fill out forms and in a handful of cases helped them get housing and in some cases getting them help to learn to read and write. I'm also proud that in 2 cases they progressed their careers and become managers helping others so I do understand the sort of help these youngsters need. Giving them a handout is not the answer as when the money stops and they have to get off the gravy train what happens? Drakeford and Price won't give a toss trust me.

Money is a small part of this but for goodness sake spend it in a way that helps and not to satisfy political expediency.

That's life mate. The tramp said wanking into the till.

Is that something Confucius said

So they’ll get £20k a year for doing nothing? Don’t have to work for it? How the hell is
that going to help them. After the “trial” is over what are these youngsters going to do then?
They won’t understand that you have to work for that kind of money. If they’re going to have
this “trial” at least mentor them and encourage them to find work and keep the job.
If this trial was around in the early 80s and I was selected for this “trial” I know I wouldn’t
have gone looking for work knowing I had this much money coming in every month.
Why would you?

This nonsense is the product of the looney left Welsh Labour Government needing the support of the lunatic left of Plaid Cymru to get their leftie agenda through the Senedd.

At a time when waiting lists for NHS treatment are at all time highs, waiting times for Ambulances, waiting times at A&E are setting new failure records every time their published this latest vanity project is the answer?

This is a classic example of the tail wagging the dog with Drakeford and his cronies willing to piss away £25m to keep his lunatic left friends of Plaid on board. Only for 3 years mind when the next Senedd elections will take place when Labour might get a majority and won't need Plaid any longer.

It's bollocks but get's Drakeford and his looney left cronies the votes in the Senedd.

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This is not about the looney left at all, but about given kids a start in life, you may have had your mother and father to help you out when you were 18, but these kids are just thrown to the wolves, have a bit of compassion for gods sake.

Only the looney left could fail to see this is as a vanity project of the looney left or in this case the lunatic left and Adam Price. Tell me fella what happens when this trial is over? The lunatic left WILL see this as a success and want to expand it but how does it get paid for? Tax rises? Cutting public services?

God you desperately need help, are you accusing me of being of the looney left whatever that is, if it is hoping that someone is willing to help these kids then yes I am. and not ashamed of it, you need to thank god that you are not in the same position that these kids are in.
If a service is needed as this is, then yes it is funded out of the public purse just like any other project, the only thing I will say is that £1600 a month is a lot of money, and it should only be financed to a persons need, not as a monthly sum,, but even that you would say is a looney left idea, there is nothing loony about trying to help someone in need, you need to try it sometime

Sorry fella I don't need any help to see straight through what is nothing more than a vanity project for the looney left. Drakeford and his cronies NEED Plaid to get any legislation through the Senedd as Labour does not have a majority. This "Policy" has Adam Price written all over it.

This is not a service it's a handout and a very large handout directly from the public purse with NO strings attached. Our benefits system require, in many cases, a means tested method of checking if it's really needed, not here have £1600 a month and do what you like. It's madness pure vanity politics.

This is estimated to cost £25m over the 3 years of the trial to help around 500 people, do they need help? almost certainly yes and there are already a range of state benefits to help them. Why not spend this money on a support network for these people to make sure they integrate into society as smoothly as possible making sure they get support for housing, finding work and access to any medical needs they have. This "Policy" as I see it just gives them £20k a year. For what?

You think I'm a callous b*stard and maybe I am but I have during my working life helped people from this type of background by giving them jobs, helped them fill out forms and in a handful of cases helped them get housing and in some cases getting them help to learn to read and write. I'm also proud that in 2 cases they progressed their careers and become managers helping others so I do understand the sort of help these youngsters need. Giving them a handout is not the answer as when the money stops and they have to get off the gravy train what happens? Drakeford and Price won't give a toss trust me.

Money is a small part of this but for goodness sake spend it in a way that helps and not to satisfy political expediency.

I have to agree with you on some of the points you brought up in your post, yes it does need to be means tested, and not a hand-out, but it is something that is needed urgently

To make kids homeless just because they have reached the age of 18 should never happen, and needs to be corrected

It is good that you have helped people in the past but you did come over in your early post as being very callous as you called it, sorry if I have offended you.
I have been in the same position as these kids are in now, and I felt that I should at least try to put their position forward so people can understand their plight

This nonsense is the product of the looney left Welsh Labour Government needing the support of the lunatic left of Plaid Cymru to get their leftie agenda through the Senedd.

At a time when waiting lists for NHS treatment are at all time highs, waiting times for Ambulances, waiting times at A&E are setting new failure records every time their published this latest vanity project is the answer?

This is a classic example of the tail wagging the dog with Drakeford and his cronies willing to piss away £25m to keep his lunatic left friends of Plaid on board. Only for 3 years mind when the next Senedd elections will take place when Labour might get a majority and won't need Plaid any longer.

It's bollocks but get's Drakeford and his looney left cronies the votes in the Senedd.

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This is not about the looney left at all, but about given kids a start in life, you may have had your mother and father to help you out when you were 18, but these kids are just thrown to the wolves, have a bit of compassion for gods sake.

Only the looney left could fail to see this is as a vanity project of the looney left or in this case the lunatic left and Adam Price. Tell me fella what happens when this trial is over? The lunatic left WILL see this as a success and want to expand it but how does it get paid for? Tax rises? Cutting public services?

God you desperately need help, are you accusing me of being of the looney left whatever that is, if it is hoping that someone is willing to help these kids then yes I am. and not ashamed of it, you need to thank god that you are not in the same position that these kids are in.
If a service is needed as this is, then yes it is funded out of the public purse just like any other project, the only thing I will say is that £1600 a month is a lot of money, and it should only be financed to a persons need, not as a monthly sum,, but even that you would say is a looney left idea, there is nothing loony about trying to help someone in need, you need to try it sometime

Sorry fella I don't need any help to see straight through what is nothing more than a vanity project for the looney left. Drakeford and his cronies NEED Plaid to get any legislation through the Senedd as Labour does not have a majority. This "Policy" has Adam Price written all over it.

This is not a service it's a handout and a very large handout directly from the public purse with NO strings attached. Our benefits system require, in many cases, a means tested method of checking if it's really needed, not here have £1600 a month and do what you like. It's madness pure vanity politics.

This is estimated to cost £25m over the 3 years of the trial to help around 500 people, do they need help? almost certainly yes and there are already a range of state benefits to help them. Why not spend this money on a support network for these people to make sure they integrate into society as smoothly as possible making sure they get support for housing, finding work and access to any medical needs they have. This "Policy" as I see it just gives them £20k a year. For what?

You think I'm a callous b*stard and maybe I am but I have during my working life helped people from this type of background by giving them jobs, helped them fill out forms and in a handful of cases helped them get housing and in some cases getting them help to learn to read and write. I'm also proud that in 2 cases they progressed their careers and become managers helping others so I do understand the sort of help these youngsters need. Giving them a handout is not the answer as when the money stops and they have to get off the gravy train what happens? Drakeford and Price won't give a toss trust me.

Money is a small part of this but for goodness sake spend it in a way that helps and not to satisfy political expediency.

I have to agree with you on some of the points you brought up in your post, yes it does need to be means tested, and not a hand-out, but it is something that is needed urgently

To make kids homeless just because they have reached the age of 18 should never happen, and needs to be corrected

It is good that you have helped people in the past but you did come over in your early post as being very callous as you called it, sorry if I have offended you.
I have been in the same position as these kids are in now, and I felt that I should at least try to put their position forward so people can understand their plight

Not offended at all fella got a thick skin and some would say skull as well. I'm not against helping these kids and I honestly believe just dishing out £1,600 a month for 2 years will do little to help them in real terms. It just kicks the can down the road and pours £25m of public money down the drain.

Better ways to spend this money by supporting these youngsters to get a roof over their head, get a job maybe get a better education. Just my opinion.

This nonsense is the product of the looney left Welsh Labour Government needing the support of the lunatic left of Plaid Cymru to get their leftie agenda through the Senedd.

At a time when waiting lists for NHS treatment are at all time highs, waiting times for Ambulances, waiting times at A&E are setting new failure records every time their published this latest vanity project is the answer?

This is a classic example of the tail wagging the dog with Drakeford and his cronies willing to piss away £25m to keep his lunatic left friends of Plaid on board. Only for 3 years mind when the next Senedd elections will take place when Labour might get a majority and won't need Plaid any longer.

It's bollocks but get's Drakeford and his looney left cronies the votes in the Senedd.

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This is not about the looney left at all, but about given kids a start in life, you may have had your mother and father to help you out when you were 18, but these kids are just thrown to the wolves, have a bit of compassion for gods sake.

Only the looney left could fail to see this is as a vanity project of the looney left or in this case the lunatic left and Adam Price. Tell me fella what happens when this trial is over? The lunatic left WILL see this as a success and want to expand it but how does it get paid for? Tax rises? Cutting public services?

God you desperately need help, are you accusing me of being of the looney left whatever that is, if it is hoping that someone is willing to help these kids then yes I am. and not ashamed of it, you need to thank god that you are not in the same position that these kids are in.
If a service is needed as this is, then yes it is funded out of the public purse just like any other project, the only thing I will say is that £1600 a month is a lot of money, and it should only be financed to a persons need, not as a monthly sum,, but even that you would say is a looney left idea, there is nothing loony about trying to help someone in need, you need to try it sometime

Sorry fella I don't need any help to see straight through what is nothing more than a vanity project for the looney left. Drakeford and his cronies NEED Plaid to get any legislation through the Senedd as Labour does not have a majority. This "Policy" has Adam Price written all over it.

This is not a service it's a handout and a very large handout directly from the public purse with NO strings attached. Our benefits system require, in many cases, a means tested method of checking if it's really needed, not here have £1600 a month and do what you like. It's madness pure vanity politics.

This is estimated to cost £25m over the 3 years of the trial to help around 500 people, do they need help? almost certainly yes and there are already a range of state benefits to help them. Why not spend this money on a support network for these people to make sure they integrate into society as smoothly as possible making sure they get support for housing, finding work and access to any medical needs they have. This "Policy" as I see it just gives them £20k a year. For what?

You think I'm a callous b*stard and maybe I am but I have during my working life helped people from this type of background by giving them jobs, helped them fill out forms and in a handful of cases helped them get housing and in some cases getting them help to learn to read and write. I'm also proud that in 2 cases they progressed their careers and become managers helping others so I do understand the sort of help these youngsters need. Giving them a handout is not the answer as when the money stops and they have to get off the gravy train what happens? Drakeford and Price won't give a toss trust me.

Money is a small part of this but for goodness sake spend it in a way that helps and not to satisfy political expediency.

I have to agree with you on some of the points you brought up in your post, yes it does need to be means tested, and not a hand-out, but it is something that is needed urgently

To make kids homeless just because they have reached the age of 18 should never happen, and needs to be corrected

It is good that you have helped people in the past but you did come over in your early post as being very callous as you called it, sorry if I have offended you.
I have been in the same position as these kids are in now, and I felt that I should at least try to put their position forward so people can understand their plight

Having been in the same position who and what helped you?.

..... I know where I want my money spent and if it needs more so be it until this is the case and nobody has to wait more than 30 mins in an emergency for an ambulance.

All services are under funded in this country, you cannot take all the funding ad put it into the NHS.

Even if you did, it would STILL not be enough.

We have an issue in this country where most are only interested in how it affects them. We are desperate for low taxation but do not see the ramifications it has on our services.

You will not find many who would be happy with a 5% income tax hike even if it meant that services would be fully funded. That to me is mind boggling.

Unlike others, these kids leaving care have now family support when they are sent out of care. So it is a positive but understand that people have different opinions on where money should go.