Capital Punishment

I have always been against capital punishment. As a child I remember arguing with my Dad about it, as he was in favour.
I must admit, now I am not so sure.
I have found the two recent cases (one in Bradford today) unforgivable, very young children have been systematically and callously mistreated over a long period and eventually killed by their stepmothers, ( with their mother/father allowing it).

In very limited cases should the death penalty be reintroduced? It makes me wonder whether in cases as disgusting as these - where there seems no doubt about guilt, and very little if any excuse/ reason for it- is there a case for capital punishment?
Or maybe, its just me getting old and turning into Victor Meldrew

I have always been against capital punishment. As a child I remember arguing with my Dad about it, as he was in favour.
I must admit, now I am not so sure.
I have found the two recent cases (one in Bradford today) unforgivable, very young children have been systematically and callously mistreated over a long period and eventually killed by their stepmothers, ( with their mother/father allowing it).

In very limited cases should the death penalty be reintroduced? It makes me wonder whether in cases as disgusting as these - where there seems no doubt about guilt, and very little if any excuse/ reason for it- is there a case for capital punishment?
Or maybe, its just me getting old and turning into Victor Meldrew

I’ve always thought it is appropriate for certain crimes.

I am against the death penalty regardless of the crime.

So for me the next best thing is to throw these sort of crimes by people into prison for the rest of their lifes. I work with a guy who spent 6 months in prison for beating up his best mate who was having a affair with his wife. When he found out about it he set the guy up where he got his wife to entice his mate into bed. He waited for him i the bedroom clothes cupboard then jumped out and beat the living shit out of him. He went straight to the police to report what he did. He got 6 months.

He told me all the gory details of what he did to this man. It was grewsome. He swears by this that the worse thing you can do to a human being is take his freedoms away. I well believe him.

I am against the death penalty regardless of the crime.

So for me the next best thing is to throw these sort of crimes by people into prison for the rest of their lifes. I work with a guy who spent 6 months in prison for beating up his best mate who was having a affair with his wife. When he found out about it he set the guy up where he got his wife to entice his mate into bed. He waited for him i the bedroom clothes cupboard then jumped out and beat the living shit out of him. He went straight to the police to report what he did. He got 6 months.

He told me all the gory details of what he did to this man. It was grewsome. He swears by this that the worse thing you can do to a human being is take his freedoms away. I well believe him.

…it’s all opinions mate but I personally begrudge the money spent on keeping some of these scum alive in prison. Fred West, Sutcliffe, the killers of that little kid Arthur? They deserve to die I’m sorry.

I am against the death penalty regardless of the crime.

So for me the next best thing is to throw these sort of crimes by people into prison for the rest of their lifes. I work with a guy who spent 6 months in prison for beating up his best mate who was having a affair with his wife. When he found out about it he set the guy up where he got his wife to entice his mate into bed. He waited for him i the bedroom clothes cupboard then jumped out and beat the living shit out of him. He went straight to the police to report what he did. He got 6 months.

He told me all the gory details of what he did to this man. It was grewsome. He swears by this that the worse thing you can do to a human being is take his freedoms away. I well believe him.

…it’s all opinions mate but I personally begrudge the money spent on keeping some of these scum alive in prison. Fred West, Sutcliffe, the killers of that little kid Arthur? They deserve to die I’m sorry.

Probably would have said the same at the time of derek bentley and Timothy evans and look how that turned out

I am against the death penalty regardless of the crime.

So for me the next best thing is to throw these sort of crimes by people into prison for the rest of their lifes. I work with a guy who spent 6 months in prison for beating up his best mate who was having a affair with his wife. When he found out about it he set the guy up where he got his wife to entice his mate into bed. He waited for him i the bedroom clothes cupboard then jumped out and beat the living shit out of him. He went straight to the police to report what he did. He got 6 months.

He told me all the gory details of what he did to this man. It was grewsome. He swears by this that the worse thing you can do to a human being is take his freedoms away. I well believe him.

…it’s all opinions mate but I personally begrudge the money spent on keeping some of these scum alive in prison. Fred West, Sutcliffe, the killers of that little kid Arthur? They deserve to die I’m sorry.

In my original post I stated in limited cases. I would agree with you and used to quote those examples myself. It must never happen that an innocent person could be sentenced to death. That is why I am still not sure myself.BUT if (as in the tragic case today of the little.girl Star), there is no doubt as to guilt and it is the culmination of a long period of abuse - it is very different. The ‘step mother’ took pleasure in violence towards the child and used to send egs on social media with music added. She took the youngster to work one night (to allow the ‘mother’ to go drinking) and was filmed on tv punching her numrous times (cant
remember how many times). And she was an amateur boxer. Terrible - and just not sure what punishment is correct. In any event life imprisonment must mean life in such a case!

I am against the death penalty regardless of the crime.

So for me the next best thing is to throw these sort of crimes by people into prison for the rest of their lifes. I work with a guy who spent 6 months in prison for beating up his best mate who was having a affair with his wife. When he found out about it he set the guy up where he got his wife to entice his mate into bed. He waited for him i the bedroom clothes cupboard then jumped out and beat the living shit out of him. He went straight to the police to report what he did. He got 6 months.

He told me all the gory details of what he did to this man. It was grewsome. He swears by this that the worse thing you can do to a human being is take his freedoms away. I well believe him.

…it’s all opinions mate but I personally begrudge the money spent on keeping some of these scum alive in prison. Fred West, Sutcliffe, the killers of that little kid Arthur? They deserve to die I’m sorry.

Probably would have said the same at the time of derek bentley and Timothy evans and look how that turned out

Understand what you’re saying but are you trying to say that Fred west and Sutcliffe could have been innocent?

I am against the death penalty regardless of the crime.

So for me the next best thing is to throw these sort of crimes by people into prison for the rest of their lifes. I work with a guy who spent 6 months in prison for beating up his best mate who was having a affair with his wife. When he found out about it he set the guy up where he got his wife to entice his mate into bed. He waited for him i the bedroom clothes cupboard then jumped out and beat the living shit out of him. He went straight to the police to report what he did. He got 6 months.

He told me all the gory details of what he did to this man. It was grewsome. He swears by this that the worse thing you can do to a human being is take his freedoms away. I well believe him.

…it’s all opinions mate but I personally begrudge the money spent on keeping some of these scum alive in prison. Fred West, Sutcliffe, the killers of that little kid Arthur? They deserve to die I’m sorry.

Probably would have said the same at the time of derek bentley and Timothy evans and look how that turned out

Understand what you’re saying but are you trying to say that Fred west and Sutcliffe could have been innocent?

Obviously not, but if one person is murdered, who turns out to be innocent in retrospect, it is flawed. And who gave us the right to decide who lives and dies. I truly hope your children are never wrongly convicted of a crime, because it happens more than you would believe.

I am against the death penalty regardless of the crime.

So for me the next best thing is to throw these sort of crimes by people into prison for the rest of their lifes. I work with a guy who spent 6 months in prison for beating up his best mate who was having a affair with his wife. When he found out about it he set the guy up where he got his wife to entice his mate into bed. He waited for him i the bedroom clothes cupboard then jumped out and beat the living shit out of him. He went straight to the police to report what he did. He got 6 months.

He told me all the gory details of what he did to this man. It was grewsome. He swears by this that the worse thing you can do to a human being is take his freedoms away. I well believe him.

…it’s all opinions mate but I personally begrudge the money spent on keeping some of these scum alive in prison. Fred West, Sutcliffe, the killers of that little kid Arthur? They deserve to die I’m sorry.

Probably would have said the same at the time of derek bentley and Timothy evans and look how that turned out

Understand what you’re saying but are you trying to say that Fred west and Sutcliffe could have been innocent?

Obviously not, but if one person is murdered, who turns out to be innocent in retrospect, it is flawed. And who gave us the right to decide who lives and dies. I truly hope your children are never wrongly convicted of a crime, because it happens more than you would believe.

I agree but As stated above, there are cases where guilt is absolutely clear.

I am against the death penalty regardless of the crime.

So for me the next best thing is to throw these sort of crimes by people into prison for the rest of their lifes. I work with a guy who spent 6 months in prison for beating up his best mate who was having a affair with his wife. When he found out about it he set the guy up where he got his wife to entice his mate into bed. He waited for him i the bedroom clothes cupboard then jumped out and beat the living shit out of him. He went straight to the police to report what he did. He got 6 months.

He told me all the gory details of what he did to this man. It was grewsome. He swears by this that the worse thing you can do to a human being is take his freedoms away. I well believe him.

…it’s all opinions mate but I personally begrudge the money spent on keeping some of these scum alive in prison. Fred West, Sutcliffe, the killers of that little kid Arthur? They deserve to die I’m sorry.

Probably would have said the same at the time of derek bentley and Timothy evans and look how that turned out

Understand what you’re saying but are you trying to say that Fred west and Sutcliffe could have been innocent?

Obviously not, but if one person is murdered, who turns out to be innocent in retrospect, it is flawed. And who gave us the right to decide who lives and dies. I truly hope your children are never wrongly convicted of a crime, because it happens more than you would believe.

I argee,The Cardif Lads would have been hanged for the Lynette White murder.Life should be life,at least that way wrongly convicted persons get a chance to prove there innocence.

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I read with total shock and disbelief today that yet another young child had been abused by the cruel parents (if that is what you can call them). How many more ? how many more excuses from social workers (even though they can be damned if they do and damned if they don't)?

My view is that I do not believe in capital punishment (killing by means of lethal injection, hanging, etc, etc) BUT not for the reasons that you may think.

Firstly I believe that Prison is a place to be feared , total fear and punishment (not the fear of gangs, drugs, buggery, etc, etc on the inside) but the total control of harsh, harsh demoralising punishment which inmates would never wish to go back again and the advantage being that any friends, siblings, relations, etc would be told by the released inmate that it is HELL inside there.

Firstly, apart from the very serious crimes, a "two strikes and your out" justice system would give most but the most persistent a good chance to change/reform their ways.

Also, miscarriages of justice could then be addressed at a later date if necessary.

Again my view only, these are a few measures that I would take to bring about the above:

(THE STICK)

(1) Go into all UK prisons and put 4 persons to each cell in bunk beds, remove ALL luxuries and modern conveniences, back to swilling out (4 to 1 bucket).
(2) Food would be basic nutritious but cheap meals (like 1970' school dinners but much worse) to save taxpayers money.
(3) Get the bulldozers and excavators into all prison courtyards and remove the concrete surfaces.
(4) Make ALL inmates (no exceptions or excuses) while being ankle shackled and prison officers in strategic viewpoints with tazer type weapons, to dig a massive hole in the dirt from 7.00am - 12 noon, dinner break 13.00 - 16.00 for 5 days (mon-fri),
give the weekend off in their cells to think about life and contemplate freedom. Then the following Mon - Fri same hole in the dirt fill it back in - in all weathers and continue this type of therapy for the term of the sentence.
(5) no visits from family or friends allowed.

(THE CARROT)

(1) Shorten sentences (as long as the above has applied) short sharp shock , saving the tax payer Money.

Of course this type of thing will never ever happen because of the liberal left, Human rights (what about the human rights of the poor victim) and every other type who think that they are rehabilitating the prisoner/person but most re offend.

It is not a fixed plan but you get the jist of it.

If you have never heard of Sheriff Joe in Arizona, USA - Google his tactics, speeches, etc (that's before he was shammed and put on trial by the human rights lot) while he was governor of prison.

Again, only my views

I am against the death penalty regardless of the crime.

So for me the next best thing is to throw these sort of crimes by people into prison for the rest of their lifes. I work with a guy who spent 6 months in prison for beating up his best mate who was having a affair with his wife. When he found out about it he set the guy up where he got his wife to entice his mate into bed. He waited for him i the bedroom clothes cupboard then jumped out and beat the living shit out of him. He went straight to the police to report what he did. He got 6 months.

He told me all the gory details of what he did to this man. It was grewsome. He swears by this that the worse thing you can do to a human being is take his freedoms away. I well believe him.

…it’s all opinions mate but I personally begrudge the money spent on keeping some of these scum alive in prison. Fred West, Sutcliffe, the killers of that little kid Arthur? They deserve to die I’m sorry.

Probably would have said the same at the time of derek bentley and Timothy evans and look how that turned out

Understand what you’re saying but are you trying to say that Fred west and Sutcliffe could have been innocent?

Obviously not, but if one person is murdered, who turns out to be innocent in retrospect, it is flawed. And who gave us the right to decide who lives and dies. I truly hope your children are never wrongly convicted of a crime, because it happens more than you would believe.

I agree but As stated above, there are cases where guilt is absolutely clear.

There’s plenty of examples of cases where people have been executed or imprisoned when their guilt was supposedly absolute. In some cases it’s been years or even decades later when extra evidence has surfaced and it’s been revealed the original defendant was innocent.

I read with total shock and disbelief today that yet another young child had been abused by the cruel parents (if that is what you can call them). How many more ? how many more excuses from social workers (even though they can be damned if they do and damned if they don't)?

My view is that I do not believe in capital punishment (killing by means of lethal injection, hanging, etc, etc) BUT not for the reasons that you may think.

Firstly I believe that Prison is a place to be feared , total fear and punishment (not the fear of gangs, drugs, buggery, etc, etc on the inside) but the total control of harsh, harsh demoralising punishment which inmates would never wish to go back again and the advantage being that any friends, siblings, relations, etc would be told by the released inmate that it is HELL inside there.

Firstly, apart from the very serious crimes, a "two strikes and your out" justice system would give most but the most persistent a good chance to change/reform their ways.

Also, miscarriages of justice could then be addressed at a later date if necessary.

Again my view only, these are a few measures that I would take to bring about the above:

(THE STICK)

(1) Go into all UK prisons and put 4 persons to each cell in bunk beds, remove ALL luxuries and modern conveniences, back to swilling out (4 to 1 bucket).
(2) Food would be basic nutritious but cheap meals (like 1970' school dinners but much worse) to save taxpayers money.
(3) Get the bulldozers and excavators into all prison courtyards and remove the concrete surfaces.
(4) Make ALL inmates (no exceptions or excuses) while being ankle shackled and prison officers in strategic viewpoints with tazer type weapons, to dig a massive hole in the dirt from 7.00am - 12 noon, dinner break 13.00 - 16.00 for 5 days (mon-fri),
give the weekend off in their cells to think about life and contemplate freedom. Then the following Mon - Fri same hole in the dirt fill it back in - in all weathers and continue this type of therapy for the term of the sentence.
(5) no visits from family or friends allowed.

(THE CARROT)

(1) Shorten sentences (as long as the above has applied) short sharp shock , saving the tax payer Money.

Of course this type of thing will never ever happen because of the liberal left, Human rights (what about the human rights of the poor victim) and every other type who think that they are rehabilitating the prisoner/person but most re offend.

It is not a fixed plan but you get the jist of it.

If you have never heard of Sheriff Joe in Arizona, USA - Google his tactics, speeches, etc (that's before he was shammed and put on trial by the human rights lot) while he was governor of prison.

Again, only my views

Are these measures going to rid society once and for all, of evil people?

A neglected, malnourished, flea ridden dog, is a more dangerous dog.

I got no problem with the most despicable, depraved offenders swinging

Death by starvation in a dark, padded room seems fair.

Good discussion.

I've helped put people in prison.

One guy killed himself in prison in 2019 after being sentenced in Belgium for abusing children in Uganda.

Mixed feelings about it. Yes he couldn't hurt any more kids but all information about other crimes he committed died with him... Leaving unknown victims who couldn't be helped.

Overall I'm against capital punishment, even though I'm sure many people deserve it.


One.. people deserve to be punished for their crimes and death is an easy way out for them.

Two.. it doesn't act as a deterrent.. as the US has revealed.

Three.. more could be done to extract information & research on behaviours of offenders... Ultimately to help prevent people with similar behaviour doing similar crimes.

Four.. contrary to popular belief, it's really expensive to do... Keeping people on death row and the long legal processes, appeals etc takes years and year and is hugely costly

Finally, I don't trust the police/judiciary to always get it right... And I don't feel that we should accept a margin of error when taking someones life away..

But all opinions and counter points welcome.

I read with total shock and disbelief today that yet another young child had been abused by the cruel parents (if that is what you can call them). How many more ? how many more excuses from social workers (even though they can be damned if they do and damned if they don't)?

My view is that I do not believe in capital punishment (killing by means of lethal injection, hanging, etc, etc) BUT not for the reasons that you may think.

Firstly I believe that Prison is a place to be feared , total fear and punishment (not the fear of gangs, drugs, buggery, etc, etc on the inside) but the total control of harsh, harsh demoralising punishment which inmates would never wish to go back again and the advantage being that any friends, siblings, relations, etc would be told by the released inmate that it is HELL inside there.

Firstly, apart from the very serious crimes, a "two strikes and your out" justice system would give most but the most persistent a good chance to change/reform their ways.

Also, miscarriages of justice could then be addressed at a later date if necessary.

Again my view only, these are a few measures that I would take to bring about the above:

(THE STICK)

(1) Go into all UK prisons and put 4 persons to each cell in bunk beds, remove ALL luxuries and modern conveniences, back to swilling out (4 to 1 bucket).
(2) Food would be basic nutritious but cheap meals (like 1970' school dinners but much worse) to save taxpayers money.
(3) Get the bulldozers and excavators into all prison courtyards and remove the concrete surfaces.
(4) Make ALL inmates (no exceptions or excuses) while being ankle shackled and prison officers in strategic viewpoints with tazer type weapons, to dig a massive hole in the dirt from 7.00am - 12 noon, dinner break 13.00 - 16.00 for 5 days (mon-fri),
give the weekend off in their cells to think about life and contemplate freedom. Then the following Mon - Fri same hole in the dirt fill it back in - in all weathers and continue this type of therapy for the term of the sentence.
(5) no visits from family or friends allowed.

(THE CARROT)

(1) Shorten sentences (as long as the above has applied) short sharp shock , saving the tax payer Money.

Of course this type of thing will never ever happen because of the liberal left, Human rights (what about the human rights of the poor victim) and every other type who think that they are rehabilitating the prisoner/person but most re offend.

It is not a fixed plan but you get the jist of it.

If you have never heard of Sheriff Joe in Arizona, USA - Google his tactics, speeches, etc (that's before he was shammed and put on trial by the human rights lot) while he was governor of prison.

Again, only my views

Thank f**k you’re not in charge

Death by starvation in a dark, padded room seems fair.

People have to rem to pay the TV license somehow

I read with total shock and disbelief today that yet another young child had been abused by the cruel parents (if that is what you can call them). How many more ? how many more excuses from social workers (even though they can be damned if they do and damned if they don't)?

My view is that I do not believe in capital punishment (killing by means of lethal injection, hanging, etc, etc) BUT not for the reasons that you may think.

Firstly I believe that Prison is a place to be feared , total fear and punishment (not the fear of gangs, drugs, buggery, etc, etc on the inside) but the total control of harsh, harsh demoralising punishment which inmates would never wish to go back again and the advantage being that any friends, siblings, relations, etc would be told by the released inmate that it is HELL inside there.

Firstly, apart from the very serious crimes, a "two strikes and your out" justice system would give most but the most persistent a good chance to change/reform their ways.

Also, miscarriages of justice could then be addressed at a later date if necessary.

Again my view only, these are a few measures that I would take to bring about the above:

(THE STICK)

(1) Go into all UK prisons and put 4 persons to each cell in bunk beds, remove ALL luxuries and modern conveniences, back to swilling out (4 to 1 bucket).
(2) Food would be basic nutritious but cheap meals (like 1970' school dinners but much worse) to save taxpayers money.
(3) Get the bulldozers and excavators into all prison courtyards and remove the concrete surfaces.
(4) Make ALL inmates (no exceptions or excuses) while being ankle shackled and prison officers in strategic viewpoints with tazer type weapons, to dig a massive hole in the dirt from 7.00am - 12 noon, dinner break 13.00 - 16.00 for 5 days (mon-fri),
give the weekend off in their cells to think about life and contemplate freedom. Then the following Mon - Fri same hole in the dirt fill it back in - in all weathers and continue this type of therapy for the term of the sentence.
(5) no visits from family or friends allowed.

(THE CARROT)

(1) Shorten sentences (as long as the above has applied) short sharp shock , saving the tax payer Money.

Of course this type of thing will never ever happen because of the liberal left, Human rights (what about the human rights of the poor victim) and every other type who think that they are rehabilitating the prisoner/person but most re offend.

It is not a fixed plan but you get the jist of it.

If you have never heard of Sheriff Joe in Arizona, USA - Google his tactics, speeches, etc (that's before he was shammed and put on trial by the human rights lot) while he was governor of prison.

Again, only my views

Mate,you are my hero, reading this tonight gave me insomnia, in a good way

[url][/url]Point (2) in 'the stick'.The chefs to only use the carrot peel in a carrot soup. You're onto a winner here

Point (4) 'the stick' only vertical holes to be dug, any attempts to to make a great escape to add 10 years to the sentence and a good old fashioned tasering
to boot

With the left over carrots, the prisoners could make delicious carrot cakes for the screws, they're families and government officials who visit. Winers of the most delicious carrot cake get social credit, perhaps a a few hours off digging a hole and the ankle shackles being taken off after lunchtime. Any attempt to eat the cake while making, to be dealt with in the harshest terms possible

It's hard not to want capital punishment for these child killers.

However, a note of caution.

In the last 20+ years there have been a large number of parents in the UK (and around the world) convicted for the murder of their children by "Shaken Baby Syndrome". This was as a result of flawed medical advice to courts and some maverick doctors who decided they could make a name for themselves.

If we had capital punishment those parents would have been executed before the evidence was unearthed that this medial "opinion" was completely flawed and they were exonerated.

That alone should be enough for people to have doubts about the reliability of capital punishment, despite how feel about some of these monsters, natural though that reaction may be for all of us.

Of serial killers, etc., are a different kettle of fish but we have to be so careful on this subject because once the sentence is carried out there is no coming back !!

It's hard not to want capital punishment for these child killers.

However, a note of caution.

In the last 20+ years there have been a large number of parents in the UK (and around the world) convicted for the murder of their children by "Shaken Baby Syndrome". This was as a result of flawed medical advice to courts and some maverick doctors who decided they could make a name for themselves.

If we had capital punishment those parents would have been executed before the evidence was unearthed that this medial "opinion" was completely flawed and they were exonerated.

That alone should be enough for people to have doubts about the reliability of capital punishment, despite how feel about some of these monsters, natural though that reaction may be for all of us.

Of serial killers, etc., are a different kettle of fish but we have to be so careful on this subject because once the sentence is carried out there is no coming back !!

That in a nutshell is why I am against CP.

Our justice system is far from perfect and it does not give us the Right to play God. The argument the comes back why should we pay for them to live. Well we can make these guys do hard labour or some other work to pay their way. If they are proved innocent later then they can claim for the work they were forced to do. To be I'm comfortable with this.

It's hard not to want capital punishment for these child killers.

However, a note of caution.

In the last 20+ years there have been a large number of parents in the UK (and around the world) convicted for the murder of their children by "Shaken Baby Syndrome". This was as a result of flawed medical advice to courts and some maverick doctors who decided they could make a name for themselves.

If we had capital punishment those parents would have been executed before the evidence was unearthed that this medial "opinion" was completely flawed and they were exonerated.

That alone should be enough for people to have doubts about the reliability of capital punishment, despite how feel about some of these monsters, natural though that reaction may be for all of us.

Of serial killers, etc., are a different kettle of fish but we have to be so careful on this subject because once the sentence is carried out there is no coming back !!

That in a nutshell is why I am against CP.

Our justice system is far from perfect and it does not give us the Right to play God. The argument the comes back why should we pay for them to live. Well we can make these guys do hard labour or some other work to pay their way. If they are proved innocent later then they can claim for the work they were forced to do. To be I'm comfortable with this.

Itsa no from me because 1 innocent being murdered is enough!

Aa for your last point@,paid for the work they are forced to do? What if these innocents spend say 4/5/6 years inside, waiting on new evidence to come to light? You can NEVER give them years back to them, and could do lifelong mental damage also.
I do believe that in certain cases, a whole life term is needed imho,but only on evidence that is un refuted, or even the criminal admitting guilt themselves.

But to take a possible innocents life is a life too many.

I got no problem with the most despicable, depraved offenders swinging

That’s my point.