Breaking: Crowd capacities next season in football grounds

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The Premier League and EFL have called for digital Covid passports to be introduced to ensure that there are full stadiums next season.Those with two vaccinations would have the passport.

At the moment football looks like only having 30%-50% capacities depending on areas in England and Wales.

Yet nightclubs could still open end of June doesn't add up

How can you have no restrictions in life after june 21st but restrictions in a football stadium? Will theatres cinemas concerts have to do same?

How can you have no restrictions in life after june 21st but restrictions in a football stadium? Will theatres cinemas concerts have to do same?

Apparently they will.

I guess nobody knows what will actually happen with it until a decision has been made.

It doesn't seem any decision has been made on it yet. Still a few weeks until the June lifting of restrictions in England so they have the time to consider all options.

How can you have no restrictions in life after june 21st but restrictions in a football stadium? Will theatres cinemas concerts have to do same?

Apparently they will.

I guess nobody knows what will actually happen with it until a decision has been made.

It doesn't seem any decision has been made on it yet. Still a few weeks until the June lifting of restrictions in Engla
nd so they have the time to consider all options.

Trouble is you either limit all entertainment venues or you dont! Cannot be one rule for one and another for football ? In fact football stadiums are safer than millennium theatre... cinemas .... or 02 arena in regards to corvid transmission as stadiums are open to environment..

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The Premier League and EFL have called for digital Covid passports to be introduced to ensure that there are full stadiums next season.Those with two vaccinations would have the passport.

At the moment football looks like only having 30%-50% capacities depending on areas in England and Wales.

So what if the people who don't want to follow the governments lies and not have whatever shit there pumping in to you. It's a case of follow what we brainwash you with on your Tv news channels and get vaccinated or you can't watch your team. Metal if it comes to fruit yet other things like snooker tourns and shit have been open a while without the need for some daft covid passport

Would be nice for Drakeford and Welsh Gov to provide an update on this. Instead of waiting to see what happens with the Euros etc.

Surely we can get a reduced crowd for every home game from August (no matter how many vaccines you've had)

Rotate which games season ticket hodlers can attend until it's full capacity.

Not hard to organise.

SKY SPORTS:

The Premier League and EFL have called for digital Covid passports to be introduced to ensure that there are full stadiums next season.Those with two vaccinations would have the passport.

At the moment football looks like only having 30%-50% capacities depending on areas in England and Wales.

So what if the people who don't want to follow the governments lies and not have whatever shit there pumping in to you. It's a case of follow what we brainwash you with on your Tv news channels and get vaccinated or you can't watch your team. Metal if it comes to fruit yet other things like snooker tourns and shit have been open a while without the need for some daft covid passport

As a person unable to take vaccine,I have no choice then? No more city!(well not for a while,if this happens) what concerns me more is, even after people have been vaccinated, it doesnt stop transmission,so in reality ANYONE could be the source of an outbreak of new variant spreading??

I do get your point though, if someone doesnt want to take the vaccine, its their choice, but it seems it will come with consequences such as the above sadly.

There are a few venues for gigs trialling a rapid PCH test, results within 15-30mins, to be taken on the way into the venue with no social distancing/ masks, and a full test 7-10 days later, these gigs are sold out to the fullest capacity both indoors and out.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/02/lucky-5000-head-to-liverpool-rock-concert-after-passing-rapid-covid-tests-14507710/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-concert-idUSKBN2BJ0MN

I don't think you will get any decision off the Welsh government until they see what happens else where, just like they have done all along , they're too scared to make decisions on there own because they're scared or criticism if it goes wrong.

If this is the case, I’ll be having a full refund on last seasons ticket, I’m not being blackmailed into having the blood clot jab.

I guess it's a choice between a small percentage of the ground capacity and let anyone in; or a much larger percentage of whom have had the jab.
Personally, I'd prefer the latter as having the jab doesn't worry me the way it bothers some.
Though I have to admit, it does seem harsh on those people who can't have the jab for medical reasons.
I don't think we'll see football grounds anywhere near capacity for at least another season though.

If this is the case, I’ll be having a full refund on last seasons ticket, I’m not being blackmailed into having the blood clot jab.

According to the British Medical Journal:

Of patients who had received an mRNA vaccine, either the Pfizer-BioNTech one Moderna, the risk of blood clots was 4.1 per 1 million. The European Medicines Agency has estimated that the risk of a blood clot from the AstraZeneca vaccine is 5.0 per million people.

Additionally, the risk of a blood clot as a side effect of Covid is 39.0 per 1 million. ~10x higher than the risk from the vaccine.

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005

The risk of a blood clot from a flight over 4 hours is 215 per 1 million, nearly 50x higher than the risk from the jab. The risk of a blood clot in women from taking the pill in the UK is ~500 per 1 million, over 110x higher than the risk from the jab.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-wha ... e-12268572

I guess it's a choice between a small percentage of the ground capacity and let anyone in; or a much larger percentage of whom have had the jab.
Personally, I'd prefer the latter as having the jab doesn't worry me the way it bothers some.
Though I have to admit, it does seem harsh on those people who can't have the jab for medical reasons.
I don't think we'll see football grounds anywhere near capacity for at least another season though.

Medical and other exemptions should be allowed as long as got bona fida proof like drs letter ect ... otherwise run risk of being taken to court as there are lots of solicitors waiting to make a few bucks....

If this is the case, I’ll be having a full refund on last seasons ticket, I’m not being blackmailed into having the blood clot jab.

According to the British Medical Journal:

Of patients who had received an mRNA vaccine, either the Pfizer-BioNTech one Moderna, the risk of blood clots was 4.1 per 1 million. The European Medicines Agency has estimated that the risk of a blood clot from the AstraZeneca vaccine is 5.0 per million people.

Additionally, the risk of a blood clot as a side effect of Covid is 39.0 per 1 million. ~10x higher than the risk from the vaccine.

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005

The risk of a blood clot from a flight over 4 hours is 215 per 1 million, nearly 50x higher than the risk from the jab. The risk of a blood clot in women from taking the pill in the UK is ~500 per 1 million, over 110x higher than the risk from the jab.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-wha ... e-12268572

so hows this work if you dont get covid , dont do a four hour plane journey.
how many times is 4.1 more than zero ?

I guess it's a choice between a small percentage of the ground capacity and let anyone in; or a much larger percentage of whom have had the jab.
Personally, I'd prefer the latter as having the jab doesn't worry me the way it bothers some.
Though I have to admit, it does seem harsh on those people who can't have the jab for medical reasons.
I don't think we'll see football grounds anywhere near capacity for at least another season though.

Medical and other exemptions should be allowed as long as got bona fida proof like drs letter ect ... otherwise run risk of being taken to court as there are lots of solicitors waiting to make a few bucks....

Allan its not that easy in truth, some wont like the fact they are being asked to disclose their disability,and thats fair enough imo.after all its very personal information,that should only be disclosed through choice? Its a very difficult one to address imho.

If this is the case, I’ll be having a full refund on last seasons ticket, I’m not being blackmailed into having the blood clot jab.

According to the British Medical Journal:

Of patients who had received an mRNA vaccine, either the Pfizer-BioNTech one Moderna, the risk of blood clots was 4.1 per 1 million. The European Medicines Agency has estimated that the risk of a blood clot from the AstraZeneca vaccine is 5.0 per million people.

Additionally, the risk of a blood clot as a side effect of Covid is 39.0 per 1 million. ~10x higher than the risk from the vaccine.

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005

The risk of a blood clot from a flight over 4 hours is 215 per 1 million, nearly 50x higher than the risk from the jab. The risk of a blood clot in women from taking the pill in the UK is ~500 per 1 million, over 110x higher than the risk from the jab.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-wha ... e-12268572

so hows this work if you dont get covid , dont do a four hour plane journey.
how many times is 4.1 more than zero ?

The risk without the vaccine isn't zero though.
I can only find the numbers for America but the risk of getting a blood clot annually is around 1 in 1000 or 0.1%. The risk with the vaccine increases to 1 in 999.996 or 0.10041%

https://www.stoptheclot.org/the_basics/how_common_dvt/

If this is the case, I’ll be having a full refund on last seasons ticket, I’m not being blackmailed into having the blood clot jab.

According to the British Medical Journal:

Of patients who had received an mRNA vaccine, either the Pfizer-BioNTech one Moderna, the risk of blood clots was 4.1 per 1 million. The European Medicines Agency has estimated that the risk of a blood clot from the AstraZeneca vaccine is 5.0 per million people.

Additionally, the risk of a blood clot as a side effect of Covid is 39.0 per 1 million. ~10x higher than the risk from the vaccine.

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005

The risk of a blood clot from a flight over 4 hours is 215 per 1 million, nearly 50x higher than the risk from the jab. The risk of a blood clot in women from taking the pill in the UK is ~500 per 1 million, over 110x higher than the risk from the jab.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-wha ... e-12268572

so hows this work if you dont get covid , dont do a four hour plane journey.
how many times is 4.1 more than zero ?

The risk without the vaccine isn't zero though.
I can only find the numbers for America but the risk of getting a blood clot annually is around 1 in 1000 or 0.1%. The risk with the vaccine increases to 1 in 999.996 or 0.10041%

https://www.stoptheclot.org/the_basics/how_common_dvt/

so your saying your chances of getting a blood clot are 1000 in a million but only 241 in a million if on a four hour flight ...
i dont think so....stop fudging numbers....

I guess it's a choice between a small percentage of the ground capacity and let anyone in; or a much larger percentage of whom have had the jab.
Personally, I'd prefer the latter as having the jab doesn't worry me the way it bothers some.
Though I have to admit, it does seem harsh on those people who can't have the jab for medical reasons.
I don't think we'll see football grounds anywhere near capacity for at least another season though.

Medical and other exemptions should be allowed as long as got bona fida proof like drs letter ect ... otherwise run risk of being taken to court as there are lots of solicitors waiting to make a few bucks....

Allan its not that easy in truth, some wont like the fact they are being asked to disclose their disability,and thats fair enough imo.after all its very personal information,that should only be disclosed through choice? Its a very difficult one to address imho.

Cant have cake and eat it though ! understand some may not want to divulge such information to football club ... but in reality if got such things you must divulge such information to varying authorities or services so football is another thing that would require you to divulge medical or other condition... I had this conversation with virgin Atlantic about not wearing a mask to Antigua so if needs be you must divulge such info

Last edited by pembroke allan on Tue May 25, 2021 6:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.

If this is the case, I’ll be having a full refund on last seasons ticket, I’m not being blackmailed into having the blood clot jab.

According to the British Medical Journal:

Of patients who had received an mRNA vaccine, either the Pfizer-BioNTech one Moderna, the risk of blood clots was 4.1 per 1 million. The European Medicines Agency has estimated that the risk of a blood clot from the AstraZeneca vaccine is 5.0 per million people.

Additionally, the risk of a blood clot as a side effect of Covid is 39.0 per 1 million. ~10x higher than the risk from the vaccine.

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005

The risk of a blood clot from a flight over 4 hours is 215 per 1 million, nearly 50x higher than the risk from the jab. The risk of a blood clot in women from taking the pill in the UK is ~500 per 1 million, over 110x higher than the risk from the jab.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-wha ... e-12268572

so hows this work if you dont get covid , dont do a four hour plane journey.
how many times is 4.1 more than zero ?

The risk without the vaccine isn't zero though.
I can only find the numbers for America but the risk of getting a blood clot annually is around 1 in 1000 or 0.1%. The risk with the vaccine increases to 1 in 999.996 or 0.10041%

https://www.stoptheclot.org/the_basics/how_common_dvt/

so your saying your chances of getting a blood clot are 1000 in a million but only 241 in a million if on a four hour flight ...
i dont think so....stop fudging numbers....

Read it again. 1000 in a million over the course of a year. 241 in a million over the course of a 4+ hour flight.
I've not fudged anything and I've even left the links where the numbers came from.

If this is the case, I’ll be having a full refund on last seasons ticket, I’m not being blackmailed into having the blood clot jab.

According to the British Medical Journal:

Of patients who had received an mRNA vaccine, either the Pfizer-BioNTech one Moderna, the risk of blood clots was 4.1 per 1 million. The European Medicines Agency has estimated that the risk of a blood clot from the AstraZeneca vaccine is 5.0 per million people.

Additionally, the risk of a blood clot as a side effect of Covid is 39.0 per 1 million. ~10x higher than the risk from the vaccine.

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005

The risk of a blood clot from a flight over 4 hours is 215 per 1 million, nearly 50x higher than the risk from the jab. The risk of a blood clot in women from taking the pill in the UK is ~500 per 1 million, over 110x higher than the risk from the jab.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-wha ... e-12268572

so hows this work if you dont get covid , dont do a four hour plane journey.
how many times is 4.1 more than zero ?

The risk without the vaccine isn't zero though.
I can only find the numbers for America but the risk of getting a blood clot annually is around 1 in 1000 or 0.1%. The risk with the vaccine increases to 1 in 999.996 or 0.10041%

https://www.stoptheclot.org/the_basics/how_common_dvt/

so your saying your chances of getting a blood clot are 1000 in a million but only 241 in a million if on a four hour flight ...
i dont think so....stop fudging numbers....

Read it again. 1000 in a million over the course of a year. 241 in a million over the course of a 4+ hour flight.
I've not fudged anything and I've even left the links where the numbers came from.

what time scale are the clots after jabs or covid clots based over ? 4 hours or a year or until you die....
yes the links compare different things too.

no your not more likely to get a blood clot from NOT having a flight or not HAVING a surgery than you are from HAVING a jab....

If this is the case, I’ll be having a full refund on last seasons ticket, I’m not being blackmailed into having the blood clot jab.

According to the British Medical Journal:

Of patients who had received an mRNA vaccine, either the Pfizer-BioNTech one Moderna, the risk of blood clots was 4.1 per 1 million. The European Medicines Agency has estimated that the risk of a blood clot from the AstraZeneca vaccine is 5.0 per million people.

Additionally, the risk of a blood clot as a side effect of Covid is 39.0 per 1 million. ~10x higher than the risk from the vaccine.

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005

The risk of a blood clot from a flight over 4 hours is 215 per 1 million, nearly 50x higher than the risk from the jab. The risk of a blood clot in women from taking the pill in the UK is ~500 per 1 million, over 110x higher than the risk from the jab.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-wha ... e-12268572

so hows this work if you dont get covid , dont do a four hour plane journey.
how many times is 4.1 more than zero ?

The risk without the vaccine isn't zero though.
I can only find the numbers for America but the risk of getting a blood clot annually is around 1 in 1000 or 0.1%. The risk with the vaccine increases to 1 in 999.996 or 0.10041%

https://www.stoptheclot.org/the_basics/how_common_dvt/

so your saying your chances of getting a blood clot are 1000 in a million but only 241 in a million if on a four hour flight ...
i dont think so....stop fudging numbers....

Read it again. 1000 in a million over the course of a year. 241 in a million over the course of a 4+ hour flight.
I've not fudged anything and I've even left the links where the numbers came from.

what time scale are the clots after jabs or covid clots based over ? 4 hours or a year or until you die....
yes the links compare different things too.

no your not more likely to get a blood clot from NOT having a flight or not HAVING a surgery than you are from HAVING a jab....

Considering the vaccine rollout began in December and the article from the BMJ was published in the middle of April then it would be over a 4-5 month time scale.

And yes it increases the chance more than if you do absolutely nothing. But calling it "the blood clot jab" is a bit silly when many common situations put you at a risk dozens or hundreds of times higher than the jab, and when the chance of getting a clot from the vaccine increases the everyday risk by less than a 1000th of a percent.

If OP is concerned about the risk of blood clots from the jab then I assume they must be terrified of flying considering the risk is so much greater.

Yet nightclubs could still open end of June doesn't add up

There is a lot out there that just don't add up these days

I guess it's a choice between a small percentage of the ground capacity and let anyone in; or a much larger percentage of whom have had the jab.
Personally, I'd prefer the latter as having the jab doesn't worry me the way it bothers some.
Though I have to admit, it does seem harsh on those people who can't have the jab for medical reasons.
I don't think we'll see football grounds anywhere near capacity for at least another season though.

Medical and other exemptions should be allowed as long as got bona fida proof like drs letter ect ... otherwise run risk of being taken to court as there are lots of solicitors waiting to make a few bucks....

Allan its not that easy in truth, some wont like the fact they are being asked to disclose their disability,and thats fair enough imo.after all its very personal information,that should only be disclosed through choice? Its a very difficult one to address imho.

Cant have cake and eat it though ! understand some may not want to divulge such information to football club ... but in reality if got such things you must divulge such information to varying authorities or services so football is another thing that would require you to divulge medical or other condition... I had this conversation with virgin Atlantic about not wearing a mask to Antigua so if needs be you must divulge such info

Have cake and eat it?? If only it were that simple mate, unless you want something from the "authorities" or maybe commit a crime, then nobody is entitled to your private information., for instance, if you have a disabled blue badge, it doesn't say you have to declare your disability to anyone, as far as I'm concerned regarding football, a letter from my gp to the club, should be enough, without me having to disclose my disability, as is the case now, I just have to prove a disability, to qualify for a disabled spot in the ground? I don't by the way, but that is the process, unless it's now changed.
Wearing/ non wearing of a mask? Well I thought it was law to wear one on a plane? I can wear a mask, but cannot currently safely take a jab, so unless I sweat profusely over somebody, I'm less likely to transmit a droplet virus, than somebody not wearing a mask on a plane? I stand by what I posted, a difficult hurdle to overcome, you even alluded to, as I have in the past, there are lawyers waiting in the wings, just for the first breach of a disabled persons rights.

I guess it's a choice between a small percentage of the ground capacity and let anyone in; or a much larger percentage of whom have had the jab.
Personally, I'd prefer the latter as having the jab doesn't worry me the way it bothers some.
Though I have to admit, it does seem harsh on those people who can't have the jab for medical reasons.
I don't think we'll see football grounds anywhere near capacity for at least another season though.

Medical and other exemptions should be allowed as long as got bona fida proof like drs letter ect ... otherwise run risk of being taken to court as there are lots of solicitors waiting to make a few bucks....

Allan its not that easy in truth, some wont like the fact they are being asked to disclose their disability,and thats fair enough imo.after all its very personal information,that should only be disclosed through choice? Its a very difficult one to address imho.

Cant have cake and eat it though ! understand some may not want to divulge such information to football club ... but in reality if got such things you must divulge such information to varying authorities or services so football is another thing that would require you to divulge medical or other condition... I had this conversation with virgin Atlantic about not wearing a mask to Antigua so if needs be you must divulge such info

Have cake and eat it?? If only it were that simple mate, unless you want something from the "authorities" or maybe commit a crime, then nobody is entitled to your private information., for instance, if you have a disabled blue badge, it doesn't say you have to declare your disability to anyone, as far as I'm concerned regarding football, a letter from my gp to the club, should be enough, without me having to disclose my disability, as is the case now, I just have to prove a disability, to qualify for a disabled spot in the ground? I don't by the way, but that is the process, unless it's now changed.
Wearing/ non wearing of a mask? Well I thought it was law to wear one on a plane? I can wear a mask, but cannot currently safely take a jab, so unless I sweat profusely over somebody, I'm less likely to transmit a droplet virus, than somebody not wearing a mask on a plane? I stand by what I posted, a difficult hurdle to overcome, you even alluded to, as I have in the past, there are lawyers waiting in the wings, just for the first breach of a disabled persons rights.

Cake and eat it didn't come out as it should have... but yes it is a difficult situation! But if you cannot have vaccine wasnt suggesting give actual condition but you would need a headed letter from GP saying due to a medical condition you cant have vaccine that will be sufficient to the club or to anyone else requiring a person to have a vaccine or mask wearing.... yes its mandatory on transport to wear mask I can't do so and they were not happy but eventually they said need s letter off dr and will inform pilot!! can see lots of cases of people suing organisations under discrimination act that's for sure....
Ps booked flight before covid hence the problem with virgin hopefully masks not required in nov when fly out.

second Test of the men's series in Birmingham against New Zealand, beginning on 10 June at Edgbaston, will be allowed to have more than 18,000 fans each day. It will be at 70% capacity, whereas under current guidelines smaller outdoor venues are only permitted at 25% capacity.1 hour ago

SKY SPORTS:

The Premier League and EFL have called for digital Covid passports to be introduced to ensure that there are full stadiums next season.Those with two vaccinations would have the passport.

At the moment football looks like only having 30%-50% capacities depending on areas in England and Wales.

What about people who medically are not advised to have the vaccine? I know elderly people with various conditions that stops them from having it, are they now banned from CCS? Absolute tosh. We have more than suffered enough, most of the country is vaccinated and there are hardly any cases now in this country, TIME TO GET BACK TO NORMAL

SKY SPORTS:

The Premier League and EFL have called for digital Covid passports to be introduced to ensure that there are full stadiums next season.Those with two vaccinations would have the passport.

At the moment football looks like only having 30%-50% capacities depending on areas in England and Wales.

This is a really difficult problem to please all of the people all of the time , as alluded to by various posters in this thread.

The issue is that decisions will have to be made for the benefit of the vast majority of fans until Covid has ceased to be a problem for a prolonged period of time. This will disadvantage two groups of people at least

1. Those who cant have the vaccine for other medical reasons. I have great sympathy with this group as it is not their fault that they will be unable to comply with Covid vaccines or similar rules and further research needs to be done into alternatives - I have no solutions but qualified medical advisors should be able to find one I hope.

2. Those who don`t believe in vaccines and/or choose not to have them. Little or no sympathy for this group. Choose to have this view by all means but don`t try and change things for the vast majority of people who do take the vaccine or change the likely rules of attendance for the football club just to suit you and the rest of a very small minority. If you don`t like the rules of an organisation the don`t join it or join and abide by those rules. Doesn`t seem unreasonable to me.

Hi all, do you have to be a season ticket holder to be able to attend City away games?

If this is the case, I’ll be having a full refund on last seasons ticket, I’m not being blackmailed into having the blood clot jab.

Good for you' get your facts right before you make stupid statements