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Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 4:32 pm

Of the same ethnicity?

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 4:44 pm

Absolutely...and the same height.

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 5:08 pm

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Of the same ethnicity?



yes

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 5:18 pm

I agree. So what’s your thoughts on the channel 5 ‘Anne Boyleyn’?

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 5:26 pm

Unless Ann Boleyn was black then this programme is just another virtue signalling positive discriminatory box ticking load of.

What people need to realise and hopefully accept is that discrimination works both ways!

On the one hand, complaints are made and hammered home because a white man portrays many ethnic people on the Simpsons...next we get a black woman playing a white Queen.

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 5:33 pm

Big Hill Blue wrote:Unless Ann Boleyn was black then this programme is just another virtue signalling positive discriminatory box ticking load of.

What people need to realise and hopefully accept is that discrimination works both ways!

On the one hand, complaints are made and hammered home because a white man portrays many ethnic people on the Simpsons...next we get a black woman playing a white Queen.

I was discussing it with a colleague today and asked whether we’d see a drama based around a white Rosa Parks or Nelson Mandela. Of course, it’ll not happen any time soon.

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 5:40 pm

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
Big Hill Blue wrote:Unless Ann Boleyn was black then this programme is just another virtue signalling positive discriminatory box ticking load of.

What people need to realise and hopefully accept is that discrimination works both ways!

On the one hand, complaints are made and hammered home because a white man portrays many ethnic people on the Simpsons...next we get a black woman playing a white Queen.

I was discussing it with a colleague today and asked whether we’d see a drama based around a white Rosa Parks or Nelson Mandela. Of course, it’ll not happen any time soon.



There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE anyone could portray a black person if they were not black.

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 6:00 pm

No, not at all.

Saw the Personal History of David Copperfield recently starring Dev Patel as David Copperfield and it was a fantastic film.

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 6:07 pm

Bazforh1927 wrote:No, not at all.

Saw the Personal History of David Copperfield recently starring Dev Patel as David Copperfield and it was a fantastic film.

I’m sure it was, but would you think the same if a ginger Irish guy played Nelson Mandela for example? I’m asking because I’m sure that there’s a vast amount of people who’d be outraged by that, me included.

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 6:16 pm

Big Hill Blue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
Big Hill Blue wrote:Unless Ann Boleyn was black then this programme is just another virtue signalling positive discriminatory box ticking load of.

What people need to realise and hopefully accept is that discrimination works both ways!

On the one hand, complaints are made and hammered home because a white man portrays many ethnic people on the Simpsons...next we get a black woman playing a white Queen.

I was discussing it with a colleague today and asked whether we’d see a drama based around a white Rosa Parks or Nelson Mandela. Of course, it’ll not happen any time soon.



There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE anyone could portray a black person if they were not black.


Laurence Olivier played Othello in 1985 and actually 'blacked up' for the part. Angelina Jolie played Marianne Pearl in A Mighty Heart, so maybe there is a chance???

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 6:20 pm

Bazforh1927 wrote:
Big Hill Blue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
Big Hill Blue wrote:Unless Ann Boleyn was black then this programme is just another virtue signalling positive discriminatory box ticking load of.

What people need to realise and hopefully accept is that discrimination works both ways!

On the one hand, complaints are made and hammered home because a white man portrays many ethnic people on the Simpsons...next we get a black woman playing a white Queen.

I was discussing it with a colleague today and asked whether we’d see a drama based around a white Rosa Parks or Nelson Mandela. Of course, it’ll not happen any time soon.



There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE anyone could portray a black person if they were not black.


Laurence Olivier played Othello in 1985 and actually 'blacked up' for the part. Angelina Jolie played Marianne Pearl in A Mighty Heart, so maybe there is a chance???


1985. A very different time.

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 6:23 pm

Big Hill Blue wrote:
Bazforh1927 wrote:
Big Hill Blue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
Big Hill Blue wrote:Unless Ann Boleyn was black then this programme is just another virtue signalling positive discriminatory box ticking load of.

What people need to realise and hopefully accept is that discrimination works both ways!

On the one hand, complaints are made and hammered home because a white man portrays many ethnic people on the Simpsons...next we get a black woman playing a white Queen.

I was discussing it with a colleague today and asked whether we’d see a drama based around a white Rosa Parks or Nelson Mandela. Of course, it’ll not happen any time soon.



There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE anyone could portray a black person if they were not black.


Laurence Olivier played Othello in 1985 and actually 'blacked up' for the part. Angelina Jolie played Marianne Pearl in A Mighty Heart, so maybe there is a chance???


1985. A very different time.


A Mighty Heart through was released in 2007...

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 6:38 pm

Could do Zulu, with Kate Winslet as Chief Bhuteleizei.. why not!

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 6:57 pm

Bazforh1927 wrote:
Big Hill Blue wrote:
Bazforh1927 wrote:
Big Hill Blue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
Big Hill Blue wrote:Unless Ann Boleyn was black then this programme is just another virtue signalling positive discriminatory box ticking load of.

What people need to realise and hopefully accept is that discrimination works both ways!

On the one hand, complaints are made and hammered home because a white man portrays many ethnic people on the Simpsons...next we get a black woman playing a white Queen.

I was discussing it with a colleague today and asked whether we’d see a drama based around a white Rosa Parks or Nelson Mandela. Of course, it’ll not happen any time soon.



There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE anyone could portray a black person if they were not black.


Laurence Olivier played Othello in 1985 and actually 'blacked up' for the part. Angelina Jolie played Marianne Pearl in A Mighty Heart, so maybe there is a chance???


1985. A very different time.


A Mighty Heart through was released in 2007...



Agreed, but we are living through very different times now.

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 7:00 pm

We'll be having Idris Elba being James Bond next.

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 7:09 pm

Nah, he can be the Bond girl or Moneypenny..

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 7:21 pm

Big Hill Blue wrote:We'll be having Idris Elba being James Bond next.


Any issues with that? There’s been a Welsh, Irish, Scottish and English James Bond so far. Not sure why there’s been complaints when Elba has been rumoured to be the next Bond as it’s hardly a character with consistency.

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 7:57 pm

:laughing5: :laughing5: didnt even need the sprat....

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 8:00 pm

Bazforh1927 wrote:No, not at all.

Saw the Personal History of David Copperfield recently starring Dev Patel as David Copperfield and it was a fantastic film.

Agree; and it seems the fact it's only 'entertainment' has escaped many... :ayatollah:

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 8:13 pm

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:I agree. So what’s your thoughts on the channel 5 ‘Anne Boyleyn’?



havent seen it , but why ?
id imagine any film / series that is historical is almost certainly also educational in this day and age..so why screw with it...

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 8:25 pm

skidemin wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:I agree. So what’s your thoughts on the channel 5 ‘Anne Boyleyn’?



havent seen it , but why ?
id imagine any film / series that is historical is almost certainly also educational in this day and age..so why screw with it...

I agree.

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 8:41 pm

rumpo kid wrote:Could do Zulu, with Kate Winslet as Chief Bhuteleizei.. why not!



Trying to think of the connection the chief doesn't have nice boobs like Kate does so bit difficult to pass her off as him or Vise versa! :laughing6:

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Fri May 21, 2021 11:21 pm

Doesn’t matter anymore al.. it’s so ridiculous now, have men playing women, it’s where we’ve got to. Tick a f****n box.

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Sat May 22, 2021 6:35 am

Who gives a shit. The show is not a historical documentary, it's an entertainment drama.

Watch it, dont watch it. It's not rewriting history.

If you are going to question casting in entertainment programmes and relate them to their real life equivalents, you may as well go full on and ask if an Irishman should play Abraham Lincoln or an American play Winston Churchill.

It's just acting.

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Sat May 22, 2021 7:24 am

Wayne S wrote:Who gives a shit. The show is not a historical documentary, it's an entertainment drama.

Watch it, dont watch it. It's not rewriting history.

If you are going to question casting in entertainment programmes and relate them to their real life equivalents, you may as well go full on and ask if an Irishman should play Abraham Lincoln or an American play Winston Churchill.

It's just acting.

That’s your opinion and that’s fine.

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Sat May 22, 2021 11:22 am

No There would be an outcry if a white personal player Malcolm X , Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela and rightly so

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Sat May 22, 2021 11:36 am

Abergavenny wrote:No There would be an outcry if a white personal player Malcolm X , Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela and rightly so

My thoughts too; whether documentary or entertainment

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Sat May 22, 2021 4:06 pm

Wayne S wrote:Who gives a shit. The show is not a historical documentary, it's an entertainment drama.

Watch it, dont watch it. It's not rewriting history.

If you are going to question casting in entertainment programmes and relate them to their real life equivalents, you may as well go full on and ask if an Irishman should play Abraham Lincoln or an American play Winston Churchill.

It's just acting.



why bother with locations and wardrobe even.... just stick them in shell suits and film it in Cardiff Gate services...

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Sat May 22, 2021 5:53 pm

skidemin wrote:
Wayne S wrote:Who gives a shit........

......... It's just acting.



why bother with locations and wardrobe even.... just stick them in shell suits and film it in Cardiff Gate services...


I'd watch that. :lol:

The film, 10 Things I Hate About You, is Shakespeares' Taming of the Shrew but set in a 1990's American High School

Re: Should historical characters be portrayed by actors....

Sun May 23, 2021 7:37 pm

It is plain silly I do not know what is achieved by it really? I suppose some luvvy will give some intellectual spiel as to why it is relevant in post colonial Britain yawn yawn .