Are Wales falling behind England in the vaccines?

England have invited all 56 to 59 year olds for the vaccine.

Are we falling behind at my Doctors North Cardiff they are inviting 65 to 69 year olds yet Gethin is saying we are ahead?

Maybe the mass centres are doing 60 to 65, but either way we seem behind?

I know we will all get them and we have to wait and there is no panic, just trying to work out the truth?

I try to steer clear of politics, but this is interesting. I was told recently that the supply of the vaccine was a problem. Wasn’t a deadline for everyone getting at least one jab by the 31/07/2021?

Wales are ahead of the 3 other UK nations in doses delivered. We also have and older population so more people in the higher brackets to get through.

Doses administered per 100 adults (daily increase):

Wales: 46.4 (+0.8)
England: 44.4 (+0.9)
N. Ireland: 43.0 (+0.4)
Scotland: 42.3 (+0.4)

https://electionmaps.uk/vaccinations

Wales are ahead of the 3 other UK nations in doses delivered. We also have and older population so more people in the higher brackets to get through.

Doses administered per 100 adults (daily increase):

Wales: 46.4 (+0.8)
England: 44.4 (+0.9)
N. Ireland: 43.0 (+0.4)
Scotland: 42.3 (+0.4)

https://electionmaps.uk/vaccinations

Yes I've seen the published figures but England are doing 56-59 and in my area they are doing 65-69?

Are we that much older, or have we done more 2nd doses, or is there politics and strange counting going on?

I try to steer clear of politics, but this is interesting. I was told recently that the supply of the vaccine was a problem. Wasn’t a deadline for everyone getting at least one jab by the 31/07/2021?

Yes there was a supply issue, but they've said that's been resolved so hopefully they will all increase significantly from now and we can get back to a better quality of life.

Wales are ahead of the 3 other UK nations in doses delivered. We also have and older population so more people in the higher brackets to get through.

Doses administered per 100 adults (daily increase):

Wales: 46.4 (+0.8)
England: 44.4 (+0.9)
N. Ireland: 43.0 (+0.4)
Scotland: 42.3 (+0.4)

https://electionmaps.uk/vaccinations

Yes I've seen the published figures but England are doing 56-59 and in my area they are doing 65-69?

Are we that much older, or have we done more 2nd doses, or is there politics and strange counting going on?

I initially criticised the Welsh approach as they were slow off the mark but they have got on top of that.

Also I said recently that I thought if it looked like any of the other UK nations were going to complete the process before England then we would suddenly see a Boris directed slow down of available vaccinations for us ! That isn't the case yet as the recent lull in vaccines was planned in order for the drugs companies to ramp up their capacity.

However, watch this space.

What we all have to remember is that we are totally dependant on the UK for provision of our vaccines so unless they are lying around unused or they haven't build up enough capacity in the GP surgeries or vaccination centres there's not much the Wales set-up can do about this.

Wales are ahead of the 3 other UK nations in doses delivered. We also have and older population so more people in the higher brackets to get through.

Doses administered per 100 adults (daily increase):

Wales: 46.4 (+0.8)
England: 44.4 (+0.9)
N. Ireland: 43.0 (+0.4)
Scotland: 42.3 (+0.4)

https://electionmaps.uk/vaccinations

Yes I've seen the published figures but England are doing 56-59 and in my area they are doing 65-69?

Are we that much older, or have we done more 2nd doses, or is there politics and strange counting going on?

Population 65 years or older:
England - 16.3%
Wales - 18.4%

So just our 65+ population is about 11% larger than England’s.

In terms of 2nd doses on the 1st of March the percentage of people who have received both jabs:
Wales - 3.6%
NI - 2%
Scotland - 1.7%
England - 1%

As for politics and strange counting I’m not sure what you would class as such.

England have invited all 56 to 59 year olds for the vaccine.

Are we falling behind at my Doctors North Cardiff they are inviting 65 to 69 year olds yet Gethin is saying we are ahead?

Maybe the mass centres are doing 60 to 65, but either way we seem behind?

I know we will all get them and we have to wait and there is no panic, just trying to work out the truth?

You have to bear in mind that this Welsh Government "Claimed" to be the first UK Government to invite ALL the top 4 JVCI cohort groups for a vaccination. A.K.A they sent a letter. The reality is and because of the shamefully slow vaccine rollout in Wales it was pretty much mid to late January before really meaningful numbers were receiving the vaccine.

For the top cohort group Care Home Residents December was pretty much a right off as the WAG decided against trying to take the Pfizer vaccine to homes because of the temperature controls required so waited until the AZ was available before really going at getting care home residents the jab. The temperature controls didn't stop England, Scotland and Northern Ireland who went all out doing whatever it took to get this group vaccinated.

By the end of January England, Scotland and Northern Ireland had all completed more than 90% of this group, Wales in comparison had done 76%, by the end of February the other UK nations had completed 98-99%, Wales in comparison had completed 87%. Last Week Public Health Wales decided to reset the number in the care home resident group and over night Wales increased to 95%. That 8% increase amounted to around 1,500 people and the reason they were removed was because they had passed away between the beginning of December and the end of February and the reason was "All Causes" but no specific details on Covid deaths. Now I'm sure the majority passed away of natural causes but as this group is the most vulnerable to covid I can't help asking myself how many died from covid, had they had the vaccine and could any have been saved if the Welsh Government had shown the same commitment to this group as the other UK Nations.

We all know these vaccines are reducing hospital admissions, serious illness and deaths but it is interesting that in mid January covid deaths in Wales were about 2.5% of the daily UK total. Yesterday that figure had risen to 22% a simple coincidence or a clear indication that the shambolic start to the roll out process in Wales has costs lives.

In my opinion when Drakeford said the vaccine roll out "Was Not A Race" it was the single most stupis comment any politician in the UK had made throughout this pandemic, it was always going to be a race and a race for life itself. It's clear to me that the slower rate of decline in deaths in Wales means we lost the race.

Going back to the point on 55-59 year old getting the jab as of yesterday 35.6% have received their jab so make of that what you will.

We need to remember there is an election coming up - so Drakeford / Gething are fecking desperate for some good news. They class 'good news' as being anything that makes us look better than the English (pathetic I know). In reality - yes we were running low on the AZ vax - which is why they brought forward the second jab time for those on Pfizer jab.

Wales was slow at the start as they used GP surgeries as the main vax point with just 1 or 2 other big centres. England did this from the start - eg Ashton Gate was used and they could process much bigger number that a GP surgery with 2 staff.

You will see Drakeford and Gething get increasingly more desperate - so they then go for things like - % of people have been invited for the jab - rather than actual people who have been jabbed. Then they go for things like - we have an aging population etc. Gething even blamed a decrease in jabs down to the snow in Abercyncon that closed a medical centre - all very very desperate.

England seem to be ahead of us - the only gauge I have for that is that I have family both in Cardiff and in England. On each side we have family that are in the same age bracket. The ones in England got jabbed first. One family member who is shielding didnt get jabbed until late Jan, yet younger and healthier members got jabbed earlier.

So from where I look at it - we are not doing as well as England - no matter what erroneous percentage figures Drakeford uses.

We need to remember there is an election coming up - so Drakeford / Gething are fecking desperate for some good news. They class 'good news' as being anything that makes us look better than the English (pathetic I know). In reality - yes we were running low on the AZ vax - which is why they brought forward the second jab time for those on Pfizer jab.

Wales was slow at the start as they used GP surgeries as the main vax point with just 1 or 2 other big centres. England did this from the start - eg Ashton Gate was used and they could process much bigger number that a GP surgery with 2 staff.

You will see Drakeford and Gething get increasingly more desperate - so they then go for things like - % of people have been invited for the jab - rather than actual people who have been jabbed. Then they go for things like - we have an aging population etc. Gething even blamed a decrease in jabs down to the snow in Abercyncon that closed a medical centre - all very very desperate.

England seem to be ahead of us - the only gauge I have for that is that I have family both in Cardiff and in England. On each side we have family that are in the same age bracket. The ones in England got jabbed first. One family member who is shielding didnt get jabbed until late Jan, yet younger and healthier members got jabbed earlier.

So from where I look at it - we are not doing as well as England - no matter what erroneous percentage figures Drakeford uses.

The vaccination numbers are readily available on the gov.uk website. Not just what Drakeford says.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

Likewise population demographics such as age can be found on sites like the ONS and data from the last census.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Wales
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_England

Dont go by what politicians say as probably misleading! But I do know for definite that 2nd vaccination dose are being advanced from original dates mine is on Sunday 4wks ahead of original date and this is replicated everywhere in Wales. Make of that what you will.

Dont go by what politicians say as probably misleading! But I do know for definite that 2nd vaccination dose are being advanced from original dates mine is on Sunday 4wks ahead of original date and this is replicated everywhere in Wales. Make of that what you will.

Clearly so either Drakeford or Gething can show a graph that puts their performance in a good light. Sadly many in Wales will believe this sort of stuff like when they claimed Wales was the first to complete the top 4 cohorts when ALL they had done was send a letter.

I don't actually think anyone would mind if they just said we are getting on and giving the 2nd dose of the Pfizer within the 12 weeks as at least that group of people are going to get the maximum benefit, that has to be a good thing.

Dont go by what politicians say as probably misleading! But I do know for definite that 2nd vaccination dose are being advanced from original dates mine is on Sunday 4wks ahead of original date and this is replicated everywhere in Wales. Make of that what you will.

Clearly so either Drakeford or Gething can show a graph that puts their performance in a good light. Sadly many in Wales will believe this sort of stuff like when they claimed Wales was the first to complete the top 4 cohorts when ALL they had done was send a letter.

I don't actually think anyone would mind if they just said we are getting on and giving the 2nd dose of the Pfizer within the 12 weeks as at least that group of people are going to get the maximum benefit, that has to be a good thing.

Tbh it's all smoke and mirrors regarding roll out of vaccine look at what is said carefully and it shows things that have not happened yet! Also WG got habit of trying to get one upmanship on rest of UK with their statements .... it would be better to say we are going as fast as we can subject to availability of vaccine? honesty will get far more praise than manipulating figures to look good.

Dont go by what politicians say as probably misleading! But I do know for definite that 2nd vaccination dose are being advanced from original dates mine is on Sunday 4wks ahead of original date and this is replicated everywhere in Wales. Make of that what you will.

Clearly so either Drakeford or Gething can show a graph that puts their performance in a good light. Sadly many in Wales will believe this sort of stuff like when they claimed Wales was the first to complete the top 4 cohorts when ALL they had done was send a letter.

I don't actually think anyone would mind if they just said we are getting on and giving the 2nd dose of the Pfizer within the 12 weeks as at least that group of people are going to get the maximum benefit, that has to be a good thing.

Tbh it's all smoke and mirrors regarding roll out of vaccine look at what is said carefully and it shows things that have not happened yet! Also WG got habit of trying to get one upmanship on rest of UK with their statements .... it would be better to say we are going as fast as we can subject to availability of vaccine? honesty will get far more praise than manipulating figures to look good.

Spot on.

Dont go by what politicians say as probably misleading! But I do know for definite that 2nd vaccination dose are being advanced from original dates mine is on Sunday 4wks ahead of original date and this is replicated everywhere in Wales. Make of that what you will.

Clearly so either Drakeford or Gething can show a graph that puts their performance in a good light. Sadly many in Wales will believe this sort of stuff like when they claimed Wales was the first to complete the top 4 cohorts when ALL they had done was send a letter.

I don't actually think anyone would mind if they just said we are getting on and giving the 2nd dose of the Pfizer within the 12 weeks as at least that group of people are going to get the maximum benefit, that has to be a good thing.

It looks like they have prioritised 2nd jabs, I'm not sure why 1st doses give 90% protection and the aim was to get all 50 year olds plus and vulnerable groups done as quickly as possible and then give 2nd dose at 12 weeks.

I don't think it really makes sense if we already have an older generation then I would have thought logically it would have made sense to have gone the other way and keep the gap to twelve weeks so less people are left unprotected?

I also agree the figures should be clearer with percentages of people vaccinated through the different cohorts not we've sent more letters/phone calls than they have.

Dont go by what politicians say as probably misleading! But I do know for definite that 2nd vaccination dose are being advanced from original dates mine is on Sunday 4wks ahead of original date and this is replicated everywhere in Wales. Make of that what you will.

Some people are waiting for the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.Its in talcum powder form and it's applied in your rear end.

Clearly so either Drakeford or Gething can show a graph that puts their performance in a good light. Sadly many in Wales will believe this sort of stuff like when they claimed Wales was the first to complete the top 4 cohorts when ALL they had done was send a letter.

I don't actually think anyone would mind if they just said we are getting on and giving the 2nd dose of the Pfizer within the 12 weeks as at least that group of people are going to get the maximum benefit, that has to be a good thing.

It looks like they have prioritised 2nd jabs, I'm not sure why 1st doses give 90% protection and the aim was to get all 50 year olds plus and vulnerable groups done as quickly as possible and then give 2nd dose at 12 weeks.

I don't think it really makes sense if we already have an older generation then I would have thought logically it would have made sense to have gone the other way and keep the gap to twelve weeks so less people are left unprotected?

I also agree the figures should be clearer with percentages of people vaccinated through the different cohorts not we've sent more letters/phone calls than they have.

England have invited all 56 to 59 year olds for the vaccine.

Are we falling behind at my Doctors North Cardiff they are inviting 65 to 69 year olds yet Gethin is saying we are ahead?

Maybe the mass centres are doing 60 to 65, but either way we seem behind?

I know we will all get them and we have to wait and there is no panic, just trying to work out the truth?

You have to bear in mind that this Welsh Government "Claimed" to be the first UK Government to invite ALL the top 4 JVCI cohort groups for a vaccination. A.K.A they sent a letter. The reality is and because of the shamefully slow vaccine rollout in Wales it was pretty much mid to late January before really meaningful numbers were receiving the vaccine.

For the top cohort group Care Home Residents December was pretty much a right off as the WAG decided against trying to take the Pfizer vaccine to homes because of the temperature controls required so waited until the AZ was available before really going at getting care home residents the jab. The temperature controls didn't stop England, Scotland and Northern Ireland who went all out doing whatever it took to get this group vaccinated.

By the end of January England, Scotland and Northern Ireland had all completed more than 90% of this group, Wales in comparison had done 76%, by the end of February the other UK nations had completed 98-99%, Wales in comparison had completed 87%. Last Week Public Health Wales decided to reset the number in the care home resident group and over night Wales increased to 95%. That 8% increase amounted to around 1,500 people and the reason they were removed was because they had passed away between the beginning of December and the end of February and the reason was "All Causes" but no specific details on Covid deaths. Now I'm sure the majority passed away of natural causes but as this group is the most vulnerable to covid I can't help asking myself how many died from covid, had they had the vaccine and could any have been saved if the Welsh Government had shown the same commitment to this group as the other UK Nations.

We all know these vaccines are reducing hospital admissions, serious illness and deaths but it is interesting that in mid January covid deaths in Wales were about 2.5% of the daily UK total. Yesterday that figure had risen to 22% a simple coincidence or a clear indication that the shambolic start to the roll out process in Wales has costs lives.

In my opinion when Drakeford said the vaccine roll out "Was Not A Race" it was the single most stupis comment any politician in the UK had made throughout this pandemic, it was always going to be a race and a race for life itself. It's clear to me that the slower rate of decline in deaths in Wales means we lost the race.

Going back to the point on 55-59 year old getting the jab as of yesterday 35.6% have received their jab so make of that what you will.

Going back to the point on 55-59 year old getting the jab as of yesterday 35.6% have received their jab so make of that what you will.

Is that in England?

It looks like Wales has prioritised Health workers and carers making sure they get two doses of Pfizer as quickly as possible?

Some people are waiting for the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.Its in talcum powder form and it's applied on your rear end.

England have invited all 56 to 59 year olds for the vaccine.

Are we falling behind at my Doctors North Cardiff they are inviting 65 to 69 year olds yet Gethin is saying we are ahead?

Maybe the mass centres are doing 60 to 65, but either way we seem behind?

I know we will all get them and we have to wait and there is no panic, just trying to work out the truth?

You have to bear in mind that this Welsh Government "Claimed" to be the first UK Government to invite ALL the top 4 JVCI cohort groups for a vaccination. A.K.A they sent a letter. The reality is and because of the shamefully slow vaccine rollout in Wales it was pretty much mid to late January before really meaningful numbers were receiving the vaccine.

For the top cohort group Care Home Residents December was pretty much a right off as the WAG decided against trying to take the Pfizer vaccine to homes because of the temperature controls required so waited until the AZ was available before really going at getting care home residents the jab. The temperature controls didn't stop England, Scotland and Northern Ireland who went all out doing whatever it took to get this group vaccinated.

By the end of January England, Scotland and Northern Ireland had all completed more than 90% of this group, Wales in comparison had done 76%, by the end of February the other UK nations had completed 98-99%, Wales in comparison had completed 87%. Last Week Public Health Wales decided to reset the number in the care home resident group and over night Wales increased to 95%. That 8% increase amounted to around 1,500 people and the reason they were removed was because they had passed away between the beginning of December and the end of February and the reason was "All Causes" but no specific details on Covid deaths. Now I'm sure the majority passed away of natural causes but as this group is the most vulnerable to covid I can't help asking myself how many died from covid, had they had the vaccine and could any have been saved if the Welsh Government had shown the same commitment to this group as the other UK Nations.

We all know these vaccines are reducing hospital admissions, serious illness and deaths but it is interesting that in mid January covid deaths in Wales were about 2.5% of the daily UK total. Yesterday that figure had risen to 22% a simple coincidence or a clear indication that the shambolic start to the roll out process in Wales has costs lives.

In my opinion when Drakeford said the vaccine roll out "Was Not A Race" it was the single most stupis comment any politician in the UK had made throughout this pandemic, it was always going to be a race and a race for life itself. It's clear to me that the slower rate of decline in deaths in Wales means we lost the race.

Going back to the point on 55-59 year old getting the jab as of yesterday 35.6% have received their jab so make of that what you will.

Going back to the point on 55-59 year old getting the jab as of yesterday 35.6% have received their jab so make of that what you will.

Is that in England?

It looks like Wales has prioritised Health workers and carers making sure they get two doses of Pfizer as quickly as possible?

Sorry it was 27% but that is in Wales. The PHW website is saying of that cohort group 62876 of 232873 have received their first dose (27%).

I think with the EU playing hard ball on exports of vaccines it maybe the Welsh Government have decided to use those they have in storage to give the 2nd dose and yes it will be health and care home workers. They were given the top priority in Wales I think because they could travel to the mass vaccination centres, like Cwmbran stadium.

"Sorry it was 27% but that is in Wales. The PHW website is saying of that cohort group 62876 of 232873 have received their first dose (27%).

I think with the EU playing hard ball on exports of vaccines it maybe the Welsh Government have decided to use those they have in storage to give the 2nd dose and yes it will be health and care home workers. They were given the top priority in Wales I think because they could travel to the mass vaccination centres, like Cwmbran stadium."

From my sister who works at the Heath - all health staff (and anyone else on the pfizer jab) have had theirs brought forward as the AZ supply is low (at the moment) - so they are utilising the time to get the second Pfizer vaxs done. In a few weeks the AZ vax are supposed to be 'in stock' so to speak, which is when things will ramp back up.

Im not interested in politicians spin on the numbers / % - as you can manipulate stats any way you like to get the answer / win you want. I only go on my real life experience of having family members in England and Wales where they are in the same cohort groups. And so far in every case (aside from health workers) Welsh family members have been jabbed at a later date. I trust my family to get it right re the dates. I wouldnt trust a politician to give me "data" other than data they wanted me to hear.

When I said theirs brought forward. I mean those who had the Pfizer jab have had their second jab date brought forward

"Sorry it was 27% but that is in Wales. The PHW website is saying of that cohort group 62876 of 232873 have received their first dose (27%).

I think with the EU playing hard ball on exports of vaccines it maybe the Welsh Government have decided to use those they have in storage to give the 2nd dose and yes it will be health and care home workers. They were given the top priority in Wales I think because they could travel to the mass vaccination centres, like Cwmbran stadium."

From my sister who works at the Heath - all health staff (and anyone else on the pfizer jab) have had theirs brought forward as the AZ supply is low (at the moment) - so they are utilising the time to get the second Pfizer vaxs done. In a few weeks the AZ vax are supposed to be 'in stock' so to speak, which is when things will ramp back up.

Im not interested in politicians spin on the numbers / % - as you can manipulate stats any way you like to get the answer / win you want. I only go on my real life experience of having family members in England and Wales where they are in the same cohort groups. And so far in every case (aside from health workers) Welsh family members have been jabbed at a later date. I trust my family to get it right re the dates. I wouldnt trust a politician to give me "data" other than data they wanted me to hear.

And likewise it seems you won't believe any data that's given to you unless it's what you want to hear?

Your anecdotal evidence is a miniscule sample of what? 20-40 people spread over 5-7 places? In no statistical analysis or scientific research would such a small sample size be good enough on a national scale, those numbers would be a rounding error 5 places after the decimal point.

The vaccination numbers aren't hidden away, there are other outlets to view them that aren't from a politicians mouth.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

Read the numbers for yourself, pretty much every piece of data you would want; daily increases, total numbers, 1st doses, 2nd doses, UK total or nation by nation. All of the data since the first vaccinations in December for you to make your own conclusions. Whilst what your family can tell you is useful, on it's own it's statistically useless to make a full conclusion.


There's also disparities like yours between towns and cities all across the UK for a multitude of reasons be it lack of staff, late shipments, spoiled batches, older population, wealth, etc
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833

In that link is a vaccination by regions tracker. Type in a city, get the data. From the few cities I put in, it ranges from 77% - 93% of that city's over 65 population that have had one dose. Sunderland for whatever reasons has a 93% vaccination rate in their over 65s.

"Sorry it was 27% but that is in Wales. The PHW website is saying of that cohort group 62876 of 232873 have received their first dose (27%).

I think with the EU playing hard ball on exports of vaccines it maybe the Welsh Government have decided to use those they have in storage to give the 2nd dose and yes it will be health and care home workers. They were given the top priority in Wales I think because they could travel to the mass vaccination centres, like Cwmbran stadium."

From my sister who works at the Heath - all health staff (and anyone else on the pfizer jab) have had theirs brought forward as the AZ supply is low (at the moment) - so they are utilising the time to get the second Pfizer vaxs done. In a few weeks the AZ vax are supposed to be 'in stock' so to speak, which is when things will ramp back up.

Im not interested in politicians spin on the numbers / % - as you can manipulate stats any way you like to get the answer / win you want. I only go on my real life experience of having family members in England and Wales where they are in the same cohort groups. And so far in every case (aside from health workers) Welsh family members have been jabbed at a later date. I trust my family to get it right re the dates. I wouldnt trust a politician to give me "data" other than data they wanted me to hear.

No I agree, I talk to people in England and Wales on a daily basis and definitely from my experience people in England are getting jabbed at a younger age than Wales at present.


Hopefully we can press ahead with the rest of the country and push 2nd jabs to 12 weeks moving forward.

"Sorry it was 27% but that is in Wales. The PHW website is saying of that cohort group 62876 of 232873 have received their first dose (27%).

I think with the EU playing hard ball on exports of vaccines it maybe the Welsh Government have decided to use those they have in storage to give the 2nd dose and yes it will be health and care home workers. They were given the top priority in Wales I think because they could travel to the mass vaccination centres, like Cwmbran stadium."

From my sister who works at the Heath - all health staff (and anyone else on the pfizer jab) have had theirs brought forward as the AZ supply is low (at the moment) - so they are utilising the time to get the second Pfizer vaxs done. In a few weeks the AZ vax are supposed to be 'in stock' so to speak, which is when things will ramp back up.

Im not interested in politicians spin on the numbers / % - as you can manipulate stats any way you like to get the answer / win you want. I only go on my real life experience of having family members in England and Wales where they are in the same cohort groups. And so far in every case (aside from health workers) Welsh family members have been jabbed at a later date. I trust my family to get it right re the dates. I wouldnt trust a politician to give me "data" other than data they wanted me to hear.

And likewise it seems you won't believe any data that's given to you unless it's what you want to hear?

Your anecdotal evidence is a miniscule sample of what? 20-40 people spread over 5-7 places? In no statistical analysis or scientific research would such a small sample size be good enough on a national scale, those numbers would be a rounding error 5 places after the decimal point.

The vaccination numbers aren't hidden away, there are other outlets to view them that aren't from a politicians mouth.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

Read the numbers for yourself, pretty much every piece of data you would want; daily increases, total numbers, 1st doses, 2nd doses, UK total or nation by nation. All of the data since the first vaccinations in December for you to make your own conclusions. Whilst what your family can tell you is useful, on it's own it's statistically useless to make a full conclusion.


There's also disparities like yours between towns and cities all across the UK for a multitude of reasons be it lack of staff, late shipments, spoiled batches, older population, wealth, etc
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833

In that link is a vaccination by regions tracker. Type in a city, get the data. From the few cities I put in, it ranges from 77% - 93% of that city's over 65 population that have had one dose. Sunderland for whatever reasons has a 93% vaccination rate in their over 65s.

He's probably right based on all the info, because Wales has an older population and has done more 2nd doses, he's saying as a result there are people in England getting vaccinated at younger ages?

"Sorry it was 27% but that is in Wales. The PHW website is saying of that cohort group 62876 of 232873 have received their first dose (27%).

I think with the EU playing hard ball on exports of vaccines it maybe the Welsh Government have decided to use those they have in storage to give the 2nd dose and yes it will be health and care home workers. They were given the top priority in Wales I think because they could travel to the mass vaccination centres, like Cwmbran stadium."

From my sister who works at the Heath - all health staff (and anyone else on the pfizer jab) have had theirs brought forward as the AZ supply is low (at the moment) - so they are utilising the time to get the second Pfizer vaxs done. In a few weeks the AZ vax are supposed to be 'in stock' so to speak, which is when things will ramp back up.

Im not interested in politicians spin on the numbers / % - as you can manipulate stats any way you like to get the answer / win you want. I only go on my real life experience of having family members in England and Wales where they are in the same cohort groups. And so far in every case (aside from health workers) Welsh family members have been jabbed at a later date. I trust my family to get it right re the dates. I wouldnt trust a politician to give me "data" other than data they wanted me to hear.

And likewise it seems you won't believe any data that's given to you unless it's what you want to hear?

Your anecdotal evidence is a miniscule sample of what? 20-40 people spread over 5-7 places? In no statistical analysis or scientific research would such a small sample size be good enough on a national scale, those numbers would be a rounding error 5 places after the decimal point.

The vaccination numbers aren't hidden away, there are other outlets to view them that aren't from a politicians mouth.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

Read the numbers for yourself, pretty much every piece of data you would want; daily increases, total numbers, 1st doses, 2nd doses, UK total or nation by nation. All of the data since the first vaccinations in December for you to make your own conclusions. Whilst what your family can tell you is useful, on it's own it's statistically useless to make a full conclusion.


There's also disparities like yours between towns and cities all across the UK for a multitude of reasons be it lack of staff, late shipments, spoiled batches, older population, wealth, etc
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833

In that link is a vaccination by regions tracker. Type in a city, get the data. From the few cities I put in, it ranges from 77% - 93% of that city's over 65 population that have had one dose. Sunderland for whatever reasons has a 93% vaccination rate in their over 65s.

He's probably right based on all the info, because Wales has an older population and has done more 2nd doses, he's saying as a result there are people in England getting vaccinated at younger ages?

Which then turns into are Wales doing better because they’ve vaccinated a larger proportion of their population or are England doing better because they’ve vaccinated a larger age range. Which again splits into the secondary debate of whether using remaining doses for 2nd jabs or using remaining doses for 1st jabs is more effective.

My point is though when you’ve got ~22 million sets of data, making conclusions from 0.0002% of that data is much too small.

"Sorry it was 27% but that is in Wales. The PHW website is saying of that cohort group 62876 of 232873 have received their first dose (27%).

I think with the EU playing hard ball on exports of vaccines it maybe the Welsh Government have decided to use those they have in storage to give the 2nd dose and yes it will be health and care home workers. They were given the top priority in Wales I think because they could travel to the mass vaccination centres, like Cwmbran stadium."

From my sister who works at the Heath - all health staff (and anyone else on the pfizer jab) have had theirs brought forward as the AZ supply is low (at the moment) - so they are utilising the time to get the second Pfizer vaxs done. In a few weeks the AZ vax are supposed to be 'in stock' so to speak, which is when things will ramp back up.

Im not interested in politicians spin on the numbers / % - as you can manipulate stats any way you like to get the answer / win you want. I only go on my real life experience of having family members in England and Wales where they are in the same cohort groups. And so far in every case (aside from health workers) Welsh family members have been jabbed at a later date. I trust my family to get it right re the dates. I wouldnt trust a politician to give me "data" other than data they wanted me to hear.

And likewise it seems you won't believe any data that's given to you unless it's what you want to hear?

Your anecdotal evidence is a miniscule sample of what? 20-40 people spread over 5-7 places? In no statistical analysis or scientific research would such a small sample size be good enough on a national scale, those numbers would be a rounding error 5 places after the decimal point.

The vaccination numbers aren't hidden away, there are other outlets to view them that aren't from a politicians mouth.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

Read the numbers for yourself, pretty much every piece of data you would want; daily increases, total numbers, 1st doses, 2nd doses, UK total or nation by nation. All of the data since the first vaccinations in December for you to make your own conclusions. Whilst what your family can tell you is useful, on it's own it's statistically useless to make a full conclusion.


There's also disparities like yours between towns and cities all across the UK for a multitude of reasons be it lack of staff, late shipments, spoiled batches, older population, wealth, etc
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833

In that link is a vaccination by regions tracker. Type in a city, get the data. From the few cities I put in, it ranges from 77% - 93% of that city's over 65 population that have had one dose. Sunderland for whatever reasons has a 93% vaccination rate in their over 65s.

He's probably right based on all the info, because Wales has an older population and has done more 2nd doses, he's saying as a result there are people in England getting vaccinated at younger ages?

Which then turns into are Wales doing better because they’ve vaccinated a larger proportion of their population or are England doing better because they’ve vaccinated a larger age range. Which again splits into the secondary debate of whether using remaining doses for 2nd jabs or using remaining doses for 1st jabs is more effective.

My point is though when you’ve got ~22 million sets of data, making conclusions from 0.0002% of that data is much too small.

Yep true

I agree with Boris, get all the higher risk cohorts 1-9 jab as quickly as possible, do 2nd jabs only when necessary at 12 weeks, that should result in less hospitalisations and deaths overall.

I was told when I had my jab at, Cwmbran stadium they were doing
1400 a day
Drake Ford said there was going to be lull because of supplies
But its full steam a head now.
The aim is 30000 a week.
There's quite a few people haven't shown for there job. Unbelievable. Someone else could have had their jab.

I’m 60. I haven’t been called yet.

Too many variables to say.. our WAG seem to have to measure everything against England. Having no other position, they reside there happily.

Too many variables to say.. our WAG seem to have to measure everything against England. Having no other position, they reside there happily.

Yep we are clearly behind on age for first dose for the reasons above, English are getting them in there fifties now.

They are opening a new vaccination centre in the old toys R Us towards the end of March, hopefully that will speed things up!

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/heal ... s-19972662