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Mick McCarthy appointment 'same old, same old' for Cardiff City - Ian Walsh



BBC

23rd January 2021


Mick McCarthy's appointment as Cardiff City's new manager has been criticised by former Bluebirds striker Ian Walsh.

Ex-Republic of Ireland boss McCarthy has taken charge for the rest of the season after Neil Harris was sacked.


IAN WALSH:


"I think it's same old, same old, when are they going to learn?

Where is the plan for Cardiff City moving forward?" Walsh said.

"No new players coming through from the youth system and the manager might be sacked one or two times."

Harris, who took over from Neil Warnock in November 2019, departed after six straight defeats had left Cardiff 15th in the Championship, closer to the relegation zone than the play-offs.

Bluebirds owner Vincent Tan said the board had been left with "no choice" to let Harris and assistant manager David Livermore go as "sadly we are in a result-orientated business".

McCarthy has almost two decades of managerial experience, including Millwall, Sunderland, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Ipswich Town and Cypriot side Apoel - as well as two spells as Republic boss.

Former Cardiff and Republic midfielder Graham Kavanagh believes his former international boss will have an impact at the club.

"With regards to him as a man, as a coach and as a manager, for me he's been top-class," Kavanagh told BBC Radio Wales Sport.

"The modern game has moved on... but Mick understands the game completely, he's proved that down the years.

"At this point in time he's a very steady pair of hands and I do think with Mick he has a point to prove because it hasn't necessarily gone so well for whatever reason, and he wasn't able to finish the job he set out to do the second time with Ireland."






'Where's the plan?'

But Walsh believes that Cardiff need more than a safe pair of hands if they are to evolve towards being a club that can sustain success.

"I think it's terrible, it's all short-termism, where's the plan for Cardiff City these days? It's ridiculous, they have to change the attitude of the owners about where Cardiff City are going to go," added Walsh, 62, who won 18 Wales caps.

"He's a great guy, Mick McCarthy, he's had a great career, but for Cardiff City they need a plan for the whole club and it's just short-termism again and it doesn't do anybody any good.

"The problem is you have to build a future for the football club from the ground upwards and you have to have a philosophy of playing.

"I speak to thousands of Cardiff City fans and even though under Warnock they were winning games it was a boring brand of football, they've got to come up to the 21st century and start to play a brand throughout the football club.

"Cardiff City might have to go down a division or stay horizontal for another couple of years and have the bravery to say to a young manager 'ok, we're going to stick with you through thick and thin to change this football club'.

"At the moment they are throwing Mick McCarthy in there for six months. That doesn't do anybody any good, they are frightened of going down, that shows naivety at the higher ranks of Cardiff City and I honestly believe that they've gone about it in the wrong way.

"They don't plan for the future, it's here and now and things won't change in the future if that's their attitude."

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He has no idea what the plan is by the club. Just spouting rubbish.

The only thing we know for certain is we have appointed one of the most successful managers ever in the championship

Not sure what he means by same old either .

We tried these young highly rated managers in Solskjaer and Trollope and they failed here.

We went for experiance with Slade
Warnock and we were successful in different ways.


What did he want us to do ?
Take a gamble on a young manager with no experiance and risk our championship status

Mick is the right man st the right time and is a solid appointment by the club given the situation we are in.

Instead of him bashing the club straight away why not actually ask them the question of " What is the plan " .

He has no idea what the plan is by the club. Just spouting rubbish.

The only thing we know for certain is we have appointed one of the most successful managers ever in the championship

Not sure what he means by same old either .

We tried these young highly rated managers in Solskjaer and Trollope and they failed here.

We went for experiance with Slade
Warnock and we were successful in different ways.


What did he want us to do ?
Take a gamble on a young manager with no experiance and risk our championship status

Mick is the right man st the right time and is a solid appointment by the club given the situation we are in.

Instead of him bashing the club straight away why not actually ask them the question of " What is the plan " .

I think his question is right! Where are we going!

That lot down the road were having a bad time brought Cooper in and now look at them! His ideas and connections bringing in young hungry players have proved fruitful.

We seem to lurch from one thing to another.

MM was brought in to steady the ship and hopefully he will do that but looking at the future he’s not the answer.

We all know the answer a lot of the older overpaid players need moving out and someone in that can identify young talent that can play now whatever age and not in 3-5 yrs time.

Are we likely to do that I don’t think so because the people at the club can’t see it so how will it change.

He has no idea what the plan is by the club. Just spouting rubbish.

The only thing we know for certain is we have appointed one of the most successful managers ever in the championship

Not sure what he means by same old either .

We tried these young highly rated managers in Solskjaer and Trollope and they failed here.

We went for experiance with Slade
Warnock and we were successful in different ways.


What did he want us to do ?
Take a gamble on a young manager with no experiance and risk our championship status

Mick is the right man st the right time and is a solid appointment by the club given the situation we are in.

Instead of him bashing the club straight away why not actually ask them the question of " What is the plan " .

I think his question is right! Where are we going!

That lot down the road were having a bad time brought Cooper in and now look at them! His ideas and connections bringing in young hungry players have proved fruitful.

We seem to lurch from one thing to another.

MM was brought in to steady the ship and hopefully he will do that but looking at the future he’s not the answer.

We all know the answer a lot of the older overpaid players need moving out and someone in that can identify young talent that can play now whatever age and not in 3-5 yrs time.

Are we likely to do that I don’t think so because the people at the club can’t see it so how will it change.

Karl,

My question for the last 11yrs???


Fans divided once again.

Lower in the Championship.

And debt bigger.

He has no idea what the plan is by the club. Just spouting rubbish.

The only thing we know for certain is we have appointed one of the most successful managers ever in the championship

Not sure what he means by same old either .

We tried these young highly rated managers in Solskjaer and Trollope and they failed here.

We went for experiance with Slade
Warnock and we were successful in different ways.


What did he want us to do ?
Take a gamble on a young manager with no experiance and risk our championship status

Mick is the right man st the right time and is a solid appointment by the club given the situation we are in.

Instead of him bashing the club straight away why not actually ask them the question of " What is the plan " .

I think his question is right! Where are we going!

That lot down the road were having a bad time brought Cooper in and now look at them! His ideas and connections bringing in young hungry players have proved fruitful.

We seem to lurch from one thing to another.

MM was brought in to steady the ship and hopefully he will do that but looking at the future he’s not the answer.

We all know the answer a lot of the older overpaid players need moving out and someone in that can identify young talent that can play now whatever age and not in 3-5 yrs time.

Are we likely to do that I don’t think so because the people at the club can’t see it so how will it change.

I would say his record in this league tells us where we are going.

Two promotions
Two championships
Multiple play off finishes

Hes a solid manager

Every club has the same question

Whoever we had signed we would have the same question

The boards goal is to achieve promotion within a sustainable budget not just go for it at any cost and end up like Derby or Sunderland

Typical ex player making comments and thinking they know best! Easy to say same old things but that same old things as achieved more than probably all the other clubs in championship in past 10yrs or so.... and talikng bullocks to say may need to be relegated for couple seasons to go forward? Ask Sunderland fans if it's good to be relegated........If only football in the real world was played on an xbox

He has no idea what the plan is by the club. Just spouting rubbish.

The only thing we know for certain is we have appointed one of the most successful managers ever in the championship

Not sure what he means by same old either .

We tried these young highly rated managers in Solskjaer and Trollope and they failed here.

We went for experiance with Slade
Warnock and we were successful in different ways.


What did he want us to do ?
Take a gamble on a young manager with no experiance and risk our championship status

Mick is the right man st the right time and is a solid appointment by the club given the situation we are in.

Instead of him bashing the club straight away why not actually ask them the question of " What is the plan " .

I think his question is right! Where are we going!

That lot down the road were having a bad time brought Cooper in and now look at them! His ideas and connections bringing in young hungry players have proved fruitful.

We seem to lurch from one thing to another.

MM was brought in to steady the ship and hopefully he will do that but looking at the future he’s not the answer.

We all know the answer a lot of the older overpaid players need moving out and someone in that can identify young talent that can play now whatever age and not in 3-5 yrs time.

Are we likely to do that I don’t think so because the people at the club can’t see it so how will it change.

Karl,

My question for the last 11yrs???

Annis,

I know and we still trundle on with no end in sight!

He has no idea what the plan is by the club. Just spouting rubbish.

The only thing we know for certain is we have appointed one of the most successful managers ever in the championship

Not sure what he means by same old either .

We tried these young highly rated managers in Solskjaer and Trollope and they failed here.

We went for experiance with Slade
Warnock and we were successful in different ways.


What did he want us to do ?
Take a gamble on a young manager with no experiance and risk our championship status

Mick is the right man st the right time and is a solid appointment by the club given the situation we are in.

Instead of him bashing the club straight away why not actually ask them the question of " What is the plan " .

I think his question is right! Where are we going!

That lot down the road were having a bad time brought Cooper in and now look at them! His ideas and connections bringing in young hungry players have proved fruitful.

We seem to lurch from one thing to another.

MM was brought in to steady the ship and hopefully he will do that but looking at the future he’s not the answer.

We all know the answer a lot of the older overpaid players need moving out and someone in that can identify young talent that can play now whatever age and not in 3-5 yrs time.

Are we likely to do that I don’t think so because the people at the club can’t see it so how will it change.

I would say his record in this league tells us where we are going.

Two promotions
Two championships
Multiple play off finishes

Hes a solid manager

Every club has the same question

Whoever we had signed we would have the same question

The boards goal is to achieve promotion within a sustainable budget not just go for it at any cost and end up like Derby or Sunderland

Isn’t that what Swansea are doing?

What are they doing that’s right and we don’t?

Maybe because we think we are the Capitol club and the bigger club we can do as we please!

He has no idea what the plan is by the club. Just spouting rubbish.

The only thing we know for certain is we have appointed one of the most successful managers ever in the championship

Not sure what he means by same old either .

We tried these young highly rated managers in Solskjaer and Trollope and they failed here.

We went for experiance with Slade
Warnock and we were successful in different ways.


What did he want us to do ?
Take a gamble on a young manager with no experiance and risk our championship status

Mick is the right man st the right time and is a solid appointment by the club given the situation we are in.

Instead of him bashing the club straight away why not actually ask them the question of " What is the plan " .

I think his question is right! Where are we going!

That lot down the road were having a bad time brought Cooper in and now look at them! His ideas and connections bringing in young hungry players have proved fruitful.

We seem to lurch from one thing to another.

MM was brought in to steady the ship and hopefully he will do that but looking at the future he’s not the answer.

We all know the answer a lot of the older overpaid players need moving out and someone in that can identify young talent that can play now whatever age and not in 3-5 yrs time.

Are we likely to do that I don’t think so because the people at the club can’t see it so how will it change.

I would say his record in this league tells us where we are going.

Two promotions
Two championships
Multiple play off finishes

Hes a solid manager

Every club has the same question

Whoever we had signed we would have the same question

The boards goal is to achieve promotion within a sustainable budget not just go for it at any cost and end up like Derby or Sunderland

Isn’t that what Swansea are doing?

What are they doing that’s right and we don’t?

Maybe because we think we are the Capitol club and the bigger club we can do as we please!

What are they doing right? Playing pretty football which like brentford do as not produced anything since relegation until they do all they can say is produce young players to sell on and play touch football mostly inside own half! Yes we need to have complete overhaul of club but that takes courage and patience not sure thats tan fortè because despite crap football at times we have been relatively successful...... besides football is not a one dimensional game played with 900 passes a game or same styles.

He has no idea what the plan is by the club. Just spouting rubbish.

The only thing we know for certain is we have appointed one of the most successful managers ever in the championship

Not sure what he means by same old either .

We tried these young highly rated managers in Solskjaer and Trollope and they failed here.

We went for experiance with Slade
Warnock and we were successful in different ways.


What did he want us to do ?
Take a gamble on a young manager with no experiance and risk our championship status

Mick is the right man st the right time and is a solid appointment by the club given the situation we are in.

Instead of him bashing the club straight away why not actually ask them the question of " What is the plan " .

I think his question is right! Where are we going!

That lot down the road were having a bad time brought Cooper in and now look at them! His ideas and connections bringing in young hungry players have proved fruitful.

We seem to lurch from one thing to another.

MM was brought in to steady the ship and hopefully he will do that but looking at the future he’s not the answer.

We all know the answer a lot of the older overpaid players need moving out and someone in that can identify young talent that can play now whatever age and not in 3-5 yrs time.

Are we likely to do that I don’t think so because the people at the club can’t see it so how will it change.

I would say his record in this league tells us where we are going.

Two promotions
Two championships
Multiple play off finishes

Hes a solid manager

Every club has the same question

Whoever we had signed we would have the same question

The boards goal is to achieve promotion within a sustainable budget not just go for it at any cost and end up like Derby or Sunderland

Isn’t that what Swansea are doing?

What are they doing that’s right and we don’t?

Maybe because we think we are the Capitol club and the bigger club we can do as we please!

Karl,

We are in a mess and a yo yo team . No future planned , big debt and a committee all over the place.
And fans now divided again.

Who cares what he’s says. He has no clue of how to run a football club or manage one. Zero credibility on this subject. If it was so easy we all be doing it or if he knows so much he be in a better job. But he doesn’t.
Not worth a thread.

Last edited by Bigmarkw on Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.

He has no idea what the plan is by the club. Just spouting rubbish.

The only thing we know for certain is we have appointed one of the most successful managers ever in the championship

Not sure what he means by same old either .

We tried these young highly rated managers in Solskjaer and Trollope and they failed here.

We went for experiance with Slade
Warnock and we were successful in different ways.


What did he want us to do ?
Take a gamble on a young manager with no experiance and risk our championship status

Mick is the right man st the right time and is a solid appointment by the club given the situation we are in.

Instead of him bashing the club straight away why not actually ask them the question of " What is the plan " .

I think his question is right! Where are we going!

That lot down the road were having a bad time brought Cooper in and now look at them! His ideas and connections bringing in young hungry players have proved fruitful.

We seem to lurch from one thing to another.

MM was brought in to steady the ship and hopefully he will do that but looking at the future he’s not the answer.

We all know the answer a lot of the older overpaid players need moving out and someone in that can identify young talent that can play now whatever age and not in 3-5 yrs time.

Are we likely to do that I don’t think so because the people at the club can’t see it so how will it change.

I would say his record in this league tells us where we are going.

Two promotions
Two championships
Multiple play off finishes

Hes a solid manager

Every club has the same question

Whoever we had signed we would have the same question

The boards goal is to achieve promotion within a sustainable budget not just go for it at any cost and end up like Derby or Sunderland

Isn’t that what Swansea are doing?

What are they doing that’s right and we don’t?

Maybe because we think we are the Capitol club and the bigger club we can do as we please!

Karl,

We are in a mess and a yo yo team . No future planned , big debt and a committee all over the place.
And fans now divided again.

We are not in a mess at all
The team was performing badly due to a poor manager not doing his job , that has been addressed by him being replaced by a successful manager.

Whats wrong with being a yo yo team ? Thag means we are being successful as we are gaining promotions.
Its very very hard to establish and stay in the premier league the difference in quality is huge and takes massive investment and luck to achieve. We haven't had that luck either time.

Nobody but the board know the plan going forward with Mick at the moment.

The committee has been the same for a number of seasons and have made as many good decisions as bad ones. Nobody has a crystal ball and can get every decision right.

The debt is being dealt with and is serviceable. When was the last time it caused us any issues or dictated what happens on the pitch ?

I'm not sure why people point at Swansea either as a example , the model they follow got them relegated aswell and are now in the same league as us. Brentford are the same , the amazing model they follow has got them ZERO

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He has no idea what the plan is by the club. Just spouting rubbish.

The only thing we know for certain is we have appointed one of the most successful managers ever in the championship

Not sure what he means by same old either .

We tried these young highly rated managers in Solskjaer and Trollope and they failed here.

We went for experiance with Slade
Warnock and we were successful in different ways.


What did he want us to do ?
Take a gamble on a young manager with no experiance and risk our championship status

Mick is the right man st the right time and is a solid appointment by the club given the situation we are in.

Instead of him bashing the club straight away why not actually ask them the question of " What is the plan " .

I think his question is right! Where are we going!

That lot down the road were having a bad time brought Cooper in and now look at them! His ideas and connections bringing in young hungry players have proved fruitful.

We seem to lurch from one thing to another.

MM was brought in to steady the ship and hopefully he will do that but looking at the future he’s not the answer.

We all know the answer a lot of the older overpaid players need moving out and someone in that can identify young talent that can play now whatever age and not in 3-5 yrs time.

Are we likely to do that I don’t think so because the people at the club can’t see it so how will it change.

I would say his record in this league tells us where we are going.

Two promotions
Two championships
Multiple play off finishes

Hes a solid manager

Every club has the same question

Whoever we had signed we would have the same question

The boards goal is to achieve promotion within a sustainable budget not just go for it at any cost and end up like Derby or Sunderland

Isn’t that what Swansea are doing?

What are they doing that’s right and we don’t?

Maybe because we think we are the Capitol club and the bigger club we can do as we please!

Karl,

We are in a mess and a yo yo team . No future planned , big debt and a committee all over the place.
And fans now divided again.

Would you say sheff Utd Fulham Norwich Bournemouth Watford etc etc are all in a mess?

Put enough fans in a room and ask for opinions on how to run their club and you will get a lot of different answers.

Ask any club in the Championship and below how their finances are and I imagine you will get the response - 'Terrible!'.

It is not surprising that the owner wants a committee to oversee transfers after the debacle that was the Cornelius transfer. What we really need is a Director of Football or a Technical Director to oversee recruitment and overall club footballing strategy. Let the Manager worry about the first team and the first team's results. But I am the only fan in this room!

Mick McCarthy appointment 'same old, same old' for Cardiff City - Ian Walsh



BBC

23rd January 2021


Mick McCarthy's appointment as Cardiff City's new manager has been criticised by former Bluebirds striker Ian Walsh.

Ex-Republic of Ireland boss McCarthy has taken charge for the rest of the season after Neil Harris was sacked.


IAN WALSH:


"I think it's same old, same old, when are they going to learn?

Where is the plan for Cardiff City moving forward?" Walsh said.

"No new players coming through from the youth system and the manager might be sacked one or two times."

Harris, who took over from Neil Warnock in November 2019, departed after six straight defeats had left Cardiff 15th in the Championship, closer to the relegation zone than the play-offs.

Bluebirds owner Vincent Tan said the board had been left with "no choice" to let Harris and assistant manager David Livermore go as "sadly we are in a result-orientated business".

McCarthy has almost two decades of managerial experience, including Millwall, Sunderland, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Ipswich Town and Cypriot side Apoel - as well as two spells as Republic boss.

Former Cardiff and Republic midfielder Graham Kavanagh believes his former international boss will have an impact at the club.

"With regards to him as a man, as a coach and as a manager, for me he's been top-class," Kavanagh told BBC Radio Wales Sport.

"The modern game has moved on... but Mick understands the game completely, he's proved that down the years.

"At this point in time he's a very steady pair of hands and I do think with Mick he has a point to prove because it hasn't necessarily gone so well for whatever reason, and he wasn't able to finish the job he set out to do the second time with Ireland."






'Where's the plan?'

But Walsh believes that Cardiff need more than a safe pair of hands if they are to evolve towards being a club that can sustain success.

"I think it's terrible, it's all short-termism, where's the plan for Cardiff City these days? It's ridiculous, they have to change the attitude of the owners about where Cardiff City are going to go," added Walsh, 62, who won 18 Wales caps.

"He's a great guy, Mick McCarthy, he's had a great career, but for Cardiff City they need a plan for the whole club and it's just short-termism again and it doesn't do anybody any good.

"The problem is you have to build a future for the football club from the ground upwards and you have to have a philosophy of playing.

"I speak to thousands of Cardiff City fans and even though under Warnock they were winning games it was a boring brand of football, they've got to come up to the 21st century and start to play a brand throughout the football club.

"Cardiff City might have to go down a division or stay horizontal for another couple of years and have the bravery to say to a young manager 'ok, we're going to stick with you through thick and thin to change this football club'.

"At the moment they are throwing Mick McCarthy in there for six months. That doesn't do anybody any good, they are frightened of going down, that shows naivety at the higher ranks of Cardiff City and I honestly believe that they've gone about it in the wrong way.

"They don't plan for the future, it's here and now and things won't change in the future if that's their attitude."

What a boring miserable bar-steward

He has no idea what the plan is by the club. Just spouting rubbish.

The only thing we know for certain is we have appointed one of the most successful managers ever in the championship

Not sure what he means by same old either .

We tried these young highly rated managers in Solskjaer and Trollope and they failed here.

We went for experiance with Slade
Warnock and we were successful in different ways.


What did he want us to do ?
Take a gamble on a young manager with no experiance and risk our championship status

Mick is the right man st the right time and is a solid appointment by the club given the situation we are in.

Instead of him bashing the club straight away why not actually ask them the question of " What is the plan " .

I think his question is right! Where are we going!

That lot down the road were having a bad time brought Cooper in and now look at them! His ideas and connections bringing in young hungry players have proved fruitful.

We seem to lurch from one thing to another.

MM was brought in to steady the ship and hopefully he will do that but looking at the future he’s not the answer.

We all know the answer a lot of the older overpaid players need moving out and someone in that can identify young talent that can play now whatever age and not in 3-5 yrs time.

Are we likely to do that I don’t think so because the people at the club can’t see it so how will it change.

I would say his record in this league tells us where we are going.

Two promotions
Two championships
Multiple play off finishes

Hes a solid manager

Every club has the same question

Whoever we had signed we would have the same question

The boards goal is to achieve promotion within a sustainable budget not just go for it at any cost and end up like Derby or Sunderland

Isn’t that what Swansea are doing?

What are they doing that’s right and we don’t?

Maybe because we think we are the Capitol club and the bigger club we can do as we please!

Karl,

We are in a mess and a yo yo team . No future planned , big debt and a committee all over the place.
And fans now divided again.

We are not in a mess at all
The team was performing badly due to a poor manager not doing his job , that has been addressed by him being replaced by a successful manager.

Whats wrong with being a yo yo team ? Thag means we are being successful as we are gaining promotions.
Its very very hard to establish and stay in the premier league the difference in quality is huge and takes massive investment and luck to achieve. We haven't had that luck either time.

Nobody but the board know the plan going forward with Mick at the moment.

The committee has been the same for a number of seasons and have made as many good decisions as bad ones. Nobody has a crystal ball and can get every decision right.

The debt is being dealt with and is serviceable. When was the last time it caused us any issues or dictated what happens on the pitch ?

I'm not sure why people point at Swansea either as a example , the model they follow got them relegated aswell and are now in the same league as us. Brentford are the same , the amazing model they follow has got them ZERO

Saud same earlier and can count brentford in this what have swansea done since relegation sfa except sell their best young players what strategy is that certainly not a long term one thats for sure as besides losing good players it as not stopped their financial situation... same brentford done sfa despite people drooling over their recruitment policy? I have yet to see a style or way club is run in championship that garauntee success.

He has no idea what the plan is by the club. Just spouting rubbish.

The only thing we know for certain is we have appointed one of the most successful managers ever in the championship

Not sure what he means by same old either .

We tried these young highly rated managers in Solskjaer and Trollope and they failed here.

We went for experiance with Slade
Warnock and we were successful in different ways.


What did he want us to do ?
Take a gamble on a young manager with no experiance and risk our championship status

Mick is the right man st the right time and is a solid appointment by the club given the situation we are in.

Instead of him bashing the club straight away why not actually ask them the question of " What is the plan " .

I think his question is right! Where are we going!

That lot down the road were having a bad time brought Cooper in and now look at them! His ideas and connections bringing in young hungry players have proved fruitful.

We seem to lurch from one thing to another.

MM was brought in to steady the ship and hopefully he will do that but looking at the future he’s not the answer.

We all know the answer a lot of the older overpaid players need moving out and someone in that can identify young talent that can play now whatever age and not in 3-5 yrs time.

Are we likely to do that I don’t think so because the people at the club can’t see it so how will it change.

I would say his record in this league tells us where we are going.

Two promotions
Two championships
Multiple play off finishes

Hes a solid manager

Every club has the same question

Whoever we had signed we would have the same question

The boards goal is to achieve promotion within a sustainable budget not just go for it at any cost and end up like Derby or Sunderland

Isn’t that what Swansea are doing?

What are they doing that’s right and we don’t?

Maybe because we think we are the Capitol club and the bigger club we can do as we please!

Karl,

We are in a mess and a yo yo team . No future planned , big debt and a committee all over the place.
And fans now divided again.

Annis,

I’m totally with you on that.

It’s sad to see so many are totally delusional on what they see and can’t see the wheat from the chaff!

I referenced that lot down the road and how they manage to pull their selves up, who was Cooper before he came. Look at the players he’s loaned and when lost them got another. We appear to replace with old injury prone player on stupid wages not inc our last 2.

Yes Harris took the fall but there are at least 10 players in this squad who need clearing out.

When we’ve bought young players in the past they’ve been poor, so who’s wrong the manager or the top 3.

I’ll say it clear. Swansea are in a far better place that we are at the moment. That’s a fact!

I hope MM can stabilise the team because as it stands it’s player power in their play. It’ll be interesting because they’ve played it for so long will they be able to step up? At least it’s them in the spotlight and not the manager this time.

The two bright lights are the new full back NG and Bagan so there’s always hope.

Well we certainly have not gone forward, it is the same old same old, but we are Cardiff and we will always support the

He has no idea what the plan is by the club. Just spouting rubbish.

The only thing we know for certain is we have appointed one of the most successful managers ever in the championship

Not sure what he means by same old either .

We tried these young highly rated managers in Solskjaer and Trollope and they failed here.

We went for experiance with Slade
Warnock and we were successful in different ways.


What did he want us to do ?
Take a gamble on a young manager with no experiance and risk our championship status

Mick is the right man st the right time and is a solid appointment by the club given the situation we are in.

Instead of him bashing the club straight away why not actually ask them the question of " What is the plan " .

I think his question is right! Where are we going!

That lot down the road were having a bad time brought Cooper in and now look at them! His ideas and connections bringing in young hungry players have proved fruitful.

We seem to lurch from one thing to another.

MM was brought in to steady the ship and hopefully he will do that but looking at the future he’s not the answer.

We all know the answer a lot of the older overpaid players need moving out and someone in that can identify young talent that can play now whatever age and not in 3-5 yrs time.

Are we likely to do that I don’t think so because the people at the club can’t see it so how will it change.

I would say his record in this league tells us where we are going.

Two promotions
Two championships
Multiple play off finishes

Hes a solid manager

Every club has the same question

Whoever we had signed we would have the same question

The boards goal is to achieve promotion within a sustainable budget not just go for it at any cost and end up like Derby or Sunderland

Isn’t that what Swansea are doing?

What are they doing that’s right and we don’t?

Maybe because we think we are the Capitol club and the bigger club we can do as we please!

Karl,

We are in a mess and a yo yo team . No future planned , big debt and a committee all over the place.
And fans now divided again.

Annis,

I’m totally with you on that.

It’s sad to see so many are totally delusional on what they see and can’t see the wheat from the chaff!

I referenced that lot down the road and how they manage to pull their selves up, who was Cooper before he came. Look at the players he’s loaned and when lost them got another. We appear to replace with old injury prone player on stupid wages not inc our last 2.

Yes Harris took the fall but there are at least 10 players in this squad who need clearing out.

When we’ve bought young players in the past they’ve been poor, so who’s wrong the manager or the top 3.

I’ll say it clear. Swansea are in a far better place that we are at the moment. That’s a fact!

I hope MM can stabilise the team because as it stands it’s player power in their play. It’ll be interesting because they’ve played it for so long will they be able to step up? At least it’s them in the spotlight and not the manager this time.

The two bright lights are the new full back NG and Bagan so there’s always hope.

Karl, sadly your spot on, why some dont want to agree or see the truth is, as they say the truth can sometimes hurt.


NG looks quite good, I judge after a run of games.
Bagan, getting better and better.


The good news is, BIG MICK will stop the rot and we wont go down

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I’m afraid he is right mate. Exactly my views. Obviously no one wants relegation but we have to have a long term strategy. We have to change our playing style, we have to change our youth development and lower the age of the squad. Let’s hope the Board show more vision come May.

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As far as the manager goes, there is no point going on about the appointment and whether you with it or not.

The fact is Mick McCarthy is our manager now and should get the support of the fans unless and until results are consistently bad.


As for the board, the reality is none of them are football people. For years we have been crying out for a Sporting Director who knows football.

But the sad thing is, I don't see anything like that happening while the current ownership remains.


At least we'll be debt free next month, because that's what Tan promised.

Easy for an ex player to "Talk the Talk" but lets face it there is no way that Ian Walsh will ever "Walk the Walk" as a football Manager. Many so called experts said the same about Neil Warnock and that wasn't so bad. MM is cut of the same cloth as NW so he will more than do for me.

Having said that where our club need to learn a lesson is that on both occasions we have been relegated from the PL we have failed to keep the squad together, despite being in receipt of parachute payments. When we fail to get promoted straight back it's cut, cut and cut and that means the job gets even more difficult. What happened last summer is a good example of where our clubs biggest failure lies, get a yes man manager tell him to lower the average age of the squad, cut the wage bill and start signing unproven players from the lower leagues and tell the manager "We'll be disappointed if we are not in the top 6 by January". Switch NH for Russell Slade last time around but no lessons were learned from that because of the miracle achieved by Neil Warnock.

NH didn't help this season because he agreed to go with to small a squad in terms of numbers, to little in terms of quality and way to little tactical nous in the manager.

In MM we may well see another miracle as with NW but sadly the squad he has inherited from NH is nowhere near as good as the one NW inherited, and that is not ALL down to NH.

A plan or identity is all spin made up by journalists and bloggers trying to make a simple game appear a science.

As Mike Tyson once said everyone has a plan until you get punched in the face.

Southampton have always been touted as that medium sized club with "a plan" but they have ended up in L1.
I am sure Man U's had a post Fergie plan.
I am sure Liverpool never planned not to win the league for 30 years.
20 years ago Man citeh's plan was to wait until a sheik wants to burn a lot of his petro dollars and plan the perfect game.
Leeds had a plan for 20 years as well that included L1, as did Sheff United who had a build a top half premier team.....Oops.

Not having a go at the Jacks, but they are always our comparison, but we finished higher than them last season and half of their fan base hated Cooper last season.

If i had a choice of two teams in Cardiff I would have chosen the fast direct club rather than a backwards sideways passing scholars "right way" approach.

The difference between us and the Jacks is they choose and renowned coach and took a punt on his ability to manager and motivate the players. We chose someone who failed with "his" club without proving anything. Their gamble looks like it has paid off ours never.

It always looks a great plan when the gamble pays. That's it.

He has no idea what the plan is by the club. Just spouting rubbish.

The only thing we know for certain is we have appointed one of the most successful managers ever in the championship

Not sure what he means by same old either .

We tried these young highly rated managers in Solskjaer and Trollope and they failed here.

We went for experiance with Slade
Warnock and we were successful in different ways.


What did he want us to do ?
Take a gamble on a young manager with no experiance and risk our championship status

Mick is the right man st the right time and is a solid appointment by the club given the situation we are in.

Instead of him bashing the club straight away why not actually ask them the question of " What is the plan " .

I think his question is right! Where are we going!

That lot down the road were having a bad time brought Cooper in and now look at them! His ideas and connections bringing in young hungry players have proved fruitful.

We seem to lurch from one thing to another.

MM was brought in to steady the ship and hopefully he will do that but looking at the future he’s not the answer.

We all know the answer a lot of the older overpaid players need moving out and someone in that can identify young talent that can play now whatever age and not in 3-5 yrs time.

Are we likely to do that I don’t think so because the people at the club can’t see it so how will it change.

I would say his record in this league tells us where we are going.

Two promotions
Two championships
Multiple play off finishes

Hes a solid manager

Every club has the same question

Whoever we had signed we would have the same question

The boards goal is to achieve promotion within a sustainable budget not just go for it at any cost and end up like Derby or Sunderland

Isn’t that what Swansea are doing?

What are they doing that’s right and we don’t?

Maybe because we think we are the Capitol club and the bigger club we can do as we please!

Karl,

We are in a mess and a yo yo team . No future planned , big debt and a committee all over the place.
And fans now divided again.

We are not in a mess at all
The team was performing badly due to a poor manager not doing his job , that has been addressed by him being replaced by a successful manager.

Whats wrong with being a yo yo team ? Thag means we are being successful as we are gaining promotions.
Its very very hard to establish and stay in the premier league the difference in quality is huge and takes massive investment and luck to achieve. We haven't had that luck either time.

Nobody but the board know the plan going forward with Mick at the moment.

The committee has been the same for a number of seasons and have made as many good decisions as bad ones. Nobody has a crystal ball and can get every decision right.

The debt is being dealt with and is serviceable. When was the last time it caused us any issues or dictated what happens on the pitch ?

I'm not sure why people point at Swansea either as a example , the model they follow got them relegated aswell and are now in the same league as us. Brentford are the same , the amazing model they follow has got them ZERO

Saud same earlier and can count brentford in this what have swansea done since relegation sfa except sell their best young players what strategy is that certainly not a long term one thats for sure as besides losing good players it as not stopped their financial situation... same brentford done sfa despite people drooling over their recruitment policy? I have yet to see a style or way club is run in championship that garauntee success.

Brentford play nice attacking football, they buy cheap and sell for big profit which they reinvest in the squad. They have been chasing automatic promotion for a few seasons. Why wouldn't you want to be like that?

He has no idea what the plan is by the club. Just spouting rubbish.

The only thing we know for certain is we have appointed one of the most successful managers ever in the championship

Not sure what he means by same old either .

We tried these young highly rated managers in Solskjaer and Trollope and they failed here.

We went for experiance with Slade
Warnock and we were successful in different ways.


What did he want us to do ?
Take a gamble on a young manager with no experiance and risk our championship status

Mick is the right man st the right time and is a solid appointment by the club given the situation we are in.

Instead of him bashing the club straight away why not actually ask them the question of " What is the plan " .

I think his question is right! Where are we going!

That lot down the road were having a bad time brought Cooper in and now look at them! His ideas and connections bringing in young hungry players have proved fruitful.

We seem to lurch from one thing to another.

MM was brought in to steady the ship and hopefully he will do that but looking at the future he’s not the answer.

We all know the answer a lot of the older overpaid players need moving out and someone in that can identify young talent that can play now whatever age and not in 3-5 yrs time.

Are we likely to do that I don’t think so because the people at the club can’t see it so how will it change.

I would say his record in this league tells us where we are going.

Two promotions
Two championships
Multiple play off finishes

Hes a solid manager

Every club has the same question

Whoever we had signed we would have the same question

The boards goal is to achieve promotion within a sustainable budget not just go for it at any cost and end up like Derby or Sunderland

Isn’t that what Swansea are doing?

What are they doing that’s right and we don’t?

Maybe because we think we are the Capitol club and the bigger club we can do as we please!

Karl,

We are in a mess and a yo yo team . No future planned , big debt and a committee all over the place.
And fans now divided again.

We are not in a mess at all
The team was performing badly due to a poor manager not doing his job , that has been addressed by him being replaced by a successful manager.

Whats wrong with being a yo yo team ? Thag means we are being successful as we are gaining promotions.
Its very very hard to establish and stay in the premier league the difference in quality is huge and takes massive investment and luck to achieve. We haven't had that luck either time.

Nobody but the board know the plan going forward with Mick at the moment.

The committee has been the same for a number of seasons and have made as many good decisions as bad ones. Nobody has a crystal ball and can get every decision right.

The debt is being dealt with and is serviceable. When was the last time it caused us any issues or dictated what happens on the pitch ?

I'm not sure why people point at Swansea either as a example , the model they follow got them relegated aswell and are now in the same league as us. Brentford are the same , the amazing model they follow has got them ZERO

Saud same earlier and can count brentford in this what have swansea done since relegation sfa except sell their best young players what strategy is that certainly not a long term one thats for sure as besides losing good players it as not stopped their financial situation... same brentford done sfa despite people drooling over their recruitment policy? I have yet to see a style or way club is run in championship that garauntee success.

Brentford play nice attacking football, they buy cheap and sell for big profit which they reinvest in the squad. They have been chasing automatic promotion for a few seasons. Why wouldn't you want to be like that?

Football is about success yes love to play football like them but since dave Jones we haven't but we have been successful! Does playing like Brazil make significant profit give you success obviously not unless you call being like brentford a success? As I've said before to play good attractive football needs a change in philosophy but unfortunately very difficult under tan as he's tasted success with team playing a certain style and appointing managers to suit so extremely difficult to change as he's a businessman and Asian who likes to be successful, maybe MM will help change his mindset time will tell

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Saud same earlier and can count brentford in this what have swansea done since relegation sfa except sell their best young players what strategy is that certainly not a long term one thats for sure as besides losing good players it as not stopped their financial situation... same brentford done sfa despite people drooling over their recruitment policy? I have yet to see a style or way club is run in championship that garauntee success.[/quote]

I find it interesting to read that selling players is a bad thing. All Clubs have to sell unless you're one of the top ten or so . It's what you do with the money and what the value is when you sell the player should be the marker on whether its a good or bad thing , I'd guess that Swansea has been far more successful than yourselves when it comes to making a profit on the players which have been sold. Making money on selling players puts a Club into a position that they reinvest it with a replacement at a lower price , develop him and if needs be sell again at a profit.Not only that it can service any debt by reducing it and in some cases negates the need to borrow .No success is ever guaranteed look at Liverpool right now one season wonders which you wouldn't have said at the end of last season.
I'm not sure what financial situation you think we're in , probably better than you in regards to owning money to the owners .
You extended your ground , what for ,disregarding Covid ,it's not making you money and it's a bit of a white elephant, what you should have done is invest in your foundations , your own training facilities, concentrate on developing your own players because that's the future for clubs like mine and yours . Instant success rarely lasts , yes you got promoted twice for what? is your Club in a better position now because of it , i don't think so , hence yet another manager and another season trying to obtain success without plan in place on how to retain it.

He has no idea what the plan is by the club. Just spouting rubbish.

The only thing we know for certain is we have appointed one of the most successful managers ever in the championship

Not sure what he means by same old either .

We tried these young highly rated managers in Solskjaer and Trollope and they failed here.

We went for experiance with Slade
Warnock and we were successful in different ways.


What did he want us to do ?
Take a gamble on a young manager with no experiance and risk our championship status

Mick is the right man st the right time and is a solid appointment by the club given the situation we are in.

Instead of him bashing the club straight away why not actually ask them the question of " What is the plan " .

I think his question is right! Where are we going!

That lot down the road were having a bad time brought Cooper in and now look at them! His ideas and connections bringing in young hungry players have proved fruitful.

We seem to lurch from one thing to another.

MM was brought in to steady the ship and hopefully he will do that but looking at the future he’s not the answer.

We all know the answer a lot of the older overpaid players need moving out and someone in that can identify young talent that can play now whatever age and not in 3-5 yrs time.

Are we likely to do that I don’t think so because the people at the club can’t see it so how will it change.

I would say his record in this league tells us where we are going.

Two promotions
Two championships
Multiple play off finishes

Hes a solid manager

Every club has the same question

Whoever we had signed we would have the same question

The boards goal is to achieve promotion within a sustainable budget not just go for it at any cost and end up like Derby or Sunderland

Isn’t that what Swansea are doing?

What are they doing that’s right and we don’t?

Maybe because we think we are the Capitol club and the bigger club we can do as we please!

Karl,

We are in a mess and a yo yo team . No future planned , big debt and a committee all over the place.
And fans now divided again.

We are not in a mess at all
The team was performing badly due to a poor manager not doing his job , that has been addressed by him being replaced by a successful manager.

Whats wrong with being a yo yo team ? Thag means we are being successful as we are gaining promotions.
Its very very hard to establish and stay in the premier league the difference in quality is huge and takes massive investment and luck to achieve. We haven't had that luck either time.

Nobody but the board know the plan going forward with Mick at the moment.

The committee has been the same for a number of seasons and have made as many good decisions as bad ones. Nobody has a crystal ball and can get every decision right.

The debt is being dealt with and is serviceable. When was the last time it caused us any issues or dictated what happens on the pitch ?

I'm not sure why people point at Swansea either as a example , the model they follow got them relegated aswell and are now in the same league as us. Brentford are the same , the amazing model they follow has got them ZERO

Saud same earlier and can count brentford in this what have swansea done since relegation sfa except sell their best young players what strategy is that certainly not a long term one thats for sure as besides losing good players it as not stopped their financial situation... same brentford done sfa despite people drooling over their recruitment policy? I have yet to see a style or way club is run in championship that garauntee success.

Brentford play nice attacking football, they buy cheap and sell for big profit which they reinvest in the squad. They have been chasing automatic promotion for a few seasons. Why wouldn't you want to be like that?

Football is about success yes love to play football like them but since dave Jones we haven't but we have been successful! Does playing like Brazil make significant profit give you success obviously not unless you call being like brentford a success? As I've said before to play good attractive football needs a change in philosophy but unfortunately very difficult under tan as he's tasted success with team playing a certain style and appointing managers to suit so extremely difficult to change as he's a businessman and Asian who likes to be successful, maybe MM will help change his mindset time will tell

We have been promoted twice and literally have f**k all to show for it. Brentford are years ahead in terms of squad value, playing style and recruitment. They buy cheap and sell on for big profit and reinvest. Which is why they have gone from league 1 to one of the best teams in the championship in a short time. Zohore is the only player who comes to mind that we've made a decent profit on. Otherwise we've just got our money back or lost a lot of money on players. It is the reason why our debt to tan is and was so high. Should a club who has been promoted twice still be in that much debt? I'd quite happily sell our best player each season if it meant we continued to strengthen the squad each year.

I hope mick is successful but I feel at some point we are going to back in the situation we were when warnock left and then Harris. Where the fans want change but the board can't see further than the short term fix.